| === bare|sleep is now known as bare|away | ||
| tuhin | Hi Tanvir | 11:42 |
|---|---|---|
| Tanvir | Hello tuhin. | 11:42 |
| tuhin | how r u | 11:42 |
| tuhin | is ubuntu-bd.org affiliated with Ubuntu.com? any official recognition? | 11:43 |
| Tanvir | No. | 11:44 |
| Tanvir | And I am fine. How are you? | 11:44 |
| tuhin | fine | 11:44 |
| Tanvir | That's always good. :) | 11:45 |
| tuhin | maybe ubuntu-bd.org can suggest canonical to use avro phonetics by default / or as option with ubuntu? | 11:45 |
| tuhin | i see it comes with provat and anotehr keyboard layout and dont know where they came from.... | 11:46 |
| Tanvir | You mean iBUS? | 11:46 |
| tuhin | no | 11:46 |
| tuhin | Avro Phonetics should be included with ubuntu | 11:47 |
| Tanvir | Well, provat is included in iBUS. | 11:47 |
| tuhin | Ibus = for unijoy i think | 11:47 |
| Tanvir | That's why you get it. | 11:47 |
| tuhin | ah ic | 11:47 |
| tuhin | avro cant be used with ibus? | 11:47 |
| Tanvir | IBus has both Provat and Unijoy. | 11:47 |
| Tanvir | As far as I see, IBus has only fixed layout. | 11:48 |
| tuhin | i have provat and another (not unijoy) | 11:48 |
| tuhin | ic | 11:48 |
| Tanvir | I have Unijoy. ;) | 11:48 |
| tuhin | my keyboard have bijoy layout printed on keys and the otehr layout doesn't match with it | 11:48 |
| tuhin | so the other keyboard laybout isn't unijoy | 11:49 |
| tuhin | installed unijoy last night | 11:49 |
| Tanvir | In Ubuntu? | 11:49 |
| tuhin | i m on mint10 (based on ubuntu 10.10) | 11:49 |
| Tanvir | Oh, I am in pure Ubuntu 10.10. | 11:49 |
| Tanvir | Never used mint. | 11:50 |
| tuhin | ok , use mint11 when it comes next month | 11:50 |
| tuhin | i think u will like it more than ubuntu | 11:50 |
| Tanvir | I think not. I am more eager to use 11.04. :D | 11:51 |
| Tanvir | Currently beta 2 is in progress. | 11:51 |
| Tanvir | Will release in April 28, I hope. | 11:51 |
| tuhin | Mint11 will be based on Ubuntu 11.04 + necessary extras | 11:51 |
| tuhin | ubuntu11 will be a resources waster i think | 11:52 |
| Tanvir | For this time, there will be no release candidate. Final release straight. | 11:52 |
| tuhin | for unity etc | 11:52 |
| Tanvir | I have strong machine. :D | 11:52 |
| tuhin | might be buggy like 10.04 LTS | 11:52 |
| Tanvir | i7 870. <-- Mine. :D | 11:53 |
| tuhin | nice | 11:53 |
| Tanvir | I don't think it will be much buggy. | 11:53 |
| tuhin | i have Quad Core Phenom II overclocked to 3.4 Ghz | 11:53 |
| Tanvir | I love AMD man! | 11:53 |
| tuhin | + 4GB ram (enough for 5 years) | 11:54 |
| Tanvir | But I don't find it anywhere. :( | 11:54 |
| tuhin | all my 4 desktops in my life have AMD cpus | 11:54 |
| tuhin | i manage AMD cpus anyhow | 11:54 |
| Tanvir | My previous one was AMD. | 11:54 |
| tuhin | which Cpu | 11:54 |
| Tanvir | Athlon 64 3000+ | 11:55 |
| Tanvir | My previous one. :) | 11:55 |
| tuhin | my old desktop was Athlon64 3200+ | 11:55 |
| tuhin | which socket? | 11:55 |
| Tanvir | Close. :P | 11:55 |
| tuhin | yeah | 11:55 |
| Tanvir | 939 | 11:55 |
| tuhin | mine was 939 | 11:55 |
| Tanvir | We are same. :D | 11:55 |
| tuhin | hmm dual channel memory | 11:55 |
| tuhin | u bought from Global brand ? | 11:55 |
| Tanvir | It was ASUS's brand pc. | 11:55 |
| Tanvir | Aye. :D | 11:56 |
| tuhin | i build my own pcs | 11:56 |
| Tanvir | Good. | 11:56 |
| tuhin | btw when u bought i7}/ | 11:56 |
| tuhin | ? | 11:56 |
| Tanvir | few months ago. | 11:56 |
| tuhin | Amd X2 to X6 now available at BD | 11:56 |
| Tanvir | But it's now. :S | 11:57 |
| Tanvir | I was searching the whole market for AMDs. | 11:57 |
| tuhin | why u stoped using old 3000+? | 11:57 |
| Tanvir | Well, it's still running. It's my backup PC. :P | 11:57 |
| tuhin | i found that time when i bought in 2009 Oct-Nov | 11:57 |
| tuhin | but those were athlon II s + over priced | 11:58 |
| tuhin | so , brought from abroad | 11:58 |
| tuhin | all people who have 5-7 years old Intel cpus have 32 bit support only | 11:59 |
| tuhin | but people who bought AMD 6-7 years ago have 64 bit support | 11:59 |
| Tanvir | Yeah. | 11:59 |
| tuhin | all asked me what i will do with 64 bit cpu back that time | 12:00 |
| tuhin | i told them i can use this cpu after 10 years too | 12:00 |
| Tanvir | Well, I got that, I use that. Simple. | 12:00 |
| tuhin | r u a leader of bd linux community? | 12:01 |
| Tanvir | Nope. :P | 12:01 |
| Tanvir | I am just a user, as I pass too many time on IRC, so I idle here. | 12:01 |
| tuhin | ah like me | 12:02 |
| Tanvir | I am idle on around 50 channels. | 12:02 |
| Tanvir | Mostly related to Wikipedia/Wikimedia. | 12:02 |
| tuhin | when u stared using linux? | 12:02 |
| Tanvir | Last year. | 12:02 |
| tuhin | so how many months? | 12:02 |
| tuhin | i m 4 month ruuning | 12:02 |
| tuhin | exclusively linux mint`10 | 12:03 |
| Tanvir | Maybe 8 months. I am not sure. | 12:03 |
| Tanvir | But I am always here, and feel kinda uneasy in Windows. :P | 12:03 |
| tuhin | i think u should give mint11 a try, | 12:03 |
| tuhin | i felt Mint10 is easier than winxp ........ | 12:03 |
| Tanvir | Lets see, Fedora and Debian is my OS try queue. ;) | 12:03 |
| tuhin | i am about to install debian in desktop | 12:04 |
| tuhin | fedora is not high priority | 12:04 |
| Tanvir | Mm. Debian is good. | 12:04 |
| tuhin | which other distro u used? | 12:04 |
| Tanvir | Fedora can be worse. | 12:05 |
| tuhin | yes , so not trying fedora | 12:05 |
| Tanvir | Nothing. :P | 12:05 |
| tuhin | do u know the real reason of Japan's accident? | 12:05 |
| Tanvir | No, I like to give Fedora a try. :P | 12:05 |
| tuhin | i tried red hat abt 10 years ago , | 12:06 |
| tuhin | but some hw didnt work | 12:06 |
| Tanvir | What is it? I hope it's not Fedora. :P | 12:06 |
| tuhin | so i went back to win98 that time | 12:06 |
| tuhin | USA sent the 1st help , they sent CIA computer experts........ | 12:06 |
| tuhin | to clean the control computer system of Virus | 12:07 |
| tuhin | the virus was created by US and israeli government | 12:07 |
| tuhin | no antivirus catches the virus | 12:07 |
| tuhin | virus name = Stuxnet | 12:07 |
| Tanvir | Oh | 12:08 |
| tuhin | btw, windows security problems are left there Wishfully | 12:08 |
| tuhin | so that US gov can hack into any computer | 12:08 |
| tuhin | thats why there is no shortage of security risks in windows.... | 12:09 |
| tuhin | if u google Stuxnet, u will see why they created it | 12:09 |
| Tanvir | Possible, but I don't think so. | 12:09 |
| Tanvir | Windows is not that bad. | 12:09 |
| Tanvir | But it's user friendly. | 12:09 |
| tuhin | Microsoft is :D | 12:10 |
| tuhin | MS is that bad | 12:10 |
| tuhin | which DE is ur favorite? Gnome, kde? | 12:11 |
| Tanvir | GNOME as of now. | 12:11 |
| tuhin | used LXDE? | 12:11 |
| tuhin | i like both Gnome and LXDE | 12:11 |
| Tanvir | No. | 12:11 |
| tuhin | LXDE is so fast and light on RAM | 12:11 |
| tuhin | takes about 48% less ram than Gnome | 12:12 |
| Tanvir | Mm. | 12:12 |
| tuhin | i like fast response , so i liked it | 12:12 |
| tuhin | how do i switch to avro from unijoy??? | 12:13 |
| tuhin | u there? | 12:24 |
| * tarunno poking Tanvir | 19:14 | |
| * tuhin poking tarunno | 19:19 | |
| tuhin | hi tarunno | 19:19 |
| tarunno | hi | 19:19 |
| tuhin | how r u? | 19:20 |
| tuhin | how to change keyboard from unijoy to avro without restarting? | 19:21 |
| tarunno | didn't get your question | 19:27 |
| tarunno | how were you using Unijoy? | 19:27 |
| tuhin | how to switch layout | 19:28 |
| tarunno | in scim? | 19:28 |
| tarunno | right click on the SCIM logo in the task bar | 19:28 |
| tarunno | and you will find the setup menu | 19:28 |
| tuhin | hmmm , i m in unijoy mode now | 19:29 |
| tuhin | i m using ibus to use unijoy | 19:30 |
| tarunno | the you need to switch to SCIM | 19:31 |
| tarunno | and then you will able to use AVRO phonetic | 19:32 |
| tuhin | i can use unijoy from scim too? | 19:32 |
| tarunno | for that you may typr im-switch -c in terminal and choose the SCIM | 19:32 |
| tarunno | yes you can | 19:32 |
| tarunno | but you need to install that manually | 19:32 |
| tuhin | whats the deb file name | 19:33 |
| tuhin | i think i have it | 19:33 |
| tarunno | there is a package in repo called scim-m17n | 19:33 |
| tuhin | yes i have installed that too | 19:33 |
| tarunno | install that | 19:33 |
| tarunno | then what's the problem? | 19:33 |
| kazi | Hi all! How are you? | 19:33 |
| tuhin | welcome kazi | 19:33 |
| tuhin | problem is it needs restarting pc | 19:34 |
| tuhin | is there any way to switch without restarting pc? | 19:34 |
| tarunno | no need to restart | 19:34 |
| tarunno | just log out and re log in | 19:34 |
| tarunno | that's it | 19:34 |
| tuhin | log out will close all open applications...... | 19:35 |
| tarunno | yes it will | 19:35 |
| tarunno | keyborad input is a vital issue for security | 19:35 |
| tuhin | can i login to another user id without logging out of this id and use avro? | 19:35 |
| tuhin | ic | 19:35 |
| tarunno | and it's a feature that you cannot patch something in the middle way | 19:36 |
| tarunno | you need to log out and relog in | 19:36 |
| kazi | tuhin: good question | 19:36 |
| tuhin | ohok , in winxp i can switch user without logging off... i thought same is possible in linux | 19:37 |
| tarunno | but once SCIM is active you will able you switch layouts easil | 19:37 |
| tarunno | easily | 19:37 |
| tuhin | ok, so i really dont need to install ibus ?? | 19:37 |
| tarunno | switching user is also possible in linux | 19:37 |
| tarunno | but that won't solve your problem | 19:37 |
| kazi | what is the full defination of blua? Bangladesh Linux Users...... what? | 19:38 |
| tarunno | like if I eat, it doesn't fulfil your hunger | 19:38 |
| tuhin | Bangladesh Linux Users Alliance (BLUA) | | 19:38 |
| kazi | hmm | 19:38 |
| tuhin | the name is funny :) | 19:39 |
| tuhin | sounds like BHUA | 19:39 |
| kazi | Bangladesh Habla Ujbuk Association? | 19:41 |
| tuhin | lol | 19:42 |
| tuhin | brb let me try logging from another user id and try | 19:42 |
| kazi | :) | 19:42 |
| tuhin | back | 19:45 |
| tuhin | tarunno bhai, dont mind for our jokes :) | 19:46 |
| kazi | tarunno: I have a big interest to learn computer programming. I tired C programming and I just know some basics of C. If I want to discuss any topic regarding to any question on computer programming in this channel is it alright? | 19:47 |
| tarunno | yes it is | 19:49 |
| kazi | tarunno: Thanks for your kind response | 19:50 |
| kazi | But I am not going to ask you something this time. | 19:50 |
| tuhin | tarunno: ubuntu-bd have any official connection with canonical or main ubuntu ? | 19:51 |
| tarunno | yes | 19:51 |
| tuhin | if yes, then we should ask them to install avro by default if user select bangladesh | 19:51 |
| kazi | someone please give me the link to reach avro installation file for a linux laptop | 19:54 |
| kazi | I've just installed SCIM | 19:55 |
| tarunno | there is some problems with that idea | 19:55 |
| tarunno | for uniformity same ISO comes for all people for around the world | 19:56 |
| tuhin | and it contains keyboard layouts for all countries | 19:56 |
| tarunno | what you used to install Ubuntu is the same iso what a US guy or a guy from Africa | 19:57 |
| tarunno | really? | 19:57 |
| tuhin | it doesn't? | 19:57 |
| kazi | Can't we make XChat like tool for using Bengali? | 19:57 |
| tarunno | which countries it does? | 19:57 |
| tarunno | that is my question does it? | 19:57 |
| tuhin | سيتسافخمنيتخر | 19:57 |
| tuhin | فاش | 19:58 |
| kazi | how can you do that? | 19:58 |
| tuhin | i just typed arabic without installkign anythign | 19:58 |
| kazi | wow | 19:58 |
| kazi | Are you sure I did not install anything to type Arabic? | 19:59 |
| tarunno | and hows that? SCIM or Ibus? | 19:59 |
| kazi | sorry you did not | 19:59 |
| kazi | tuhin:? | 20:00 |
| tuhin | i saw layout of all countries came with my Mint10 Gnome | 20:00 |
| tuhin | i just switched to arabic and tyed randomly | 20:00 |
| tarunno | that is the question I am asking specifically | 20:00 |
| tarunno | how you find that layoput | 20:00 |
| tuhin | from Panel | 20:00 |
| tuhin | also in control panel | 20:00 |
| tarunno | is it from language suppot? | 20:01 |
| tarunno | I mean locale? | 20:01 |
| tuhin | Control center>Keyboard | 20:01 |
| tuhin | then layouts | 20:01 |
| tarunno | if you are talking about locale. it is part of Gnome project, not ubuntu | 20:01 |
| tuhin | व्पदगप | 20:02 |
| tuhin | दगरपुादीुददग hindi | 20:02 |
| tarunno | 2nd in Ubuntu 10.04 with Ibus ibus-m17n comes by default | 20:02 |
| tarunno | that's why you need to install anything | 20:03 |
| tarunno | but in 10.10 they stripped that | 20:03 |
| tuhin | u dont have any layouts there ^^^ | 20:03 |
| tuhin | Control center>Keyboard>layouts tab>Add | 20:03 |
| tarunno | where? | 20:03 |
| tarunno | ha ha ha | 20:03 |
| tarunno | install Bengali and you will find that too | 20:04 |
| tuhin | those r by ibus? | 20:04 |
| tarunno | but that's not the point | 20:04 |
| tuhin | i saw probat and another layout came with Mint10 | 20:04 |
| tuhin | kazi: http://code.google.com/p/scim-avro/downloads/detail?name=scim-avro_0.0.2-1ubuntu9.10_i386.deb&can=2&q= <<<AVRO | 20:05 |
| kazi | tuhin: You can add Bengali layout but it's not avro, bijoy, unijoy or else | 20:06 |
| kazi | it's probhat | 20:06 |
| tuhin | yeah , i am asking that we ask ubuntu to add AVRO along with those 2.. | 20:06 |
| kazi | gnome 10 contain probhat language script by default | 20:07 |
| kazi | Yeah | 20:07 |
| kazi | I think it's possible | 20:07 |
| tuhin | so we need to ask Gnome team? | 20:07 |
| kazi | Because avro is quite open source | 20:08 |
| kazi | Gnome or Ubuntu Team I think | 20:08 |
| kazi | I don't know actually | 20:08 |
| tuhin | avro is not open i think , but ubuntu and gnome r opensource | 20:09 |
| kazi | avro is open source software because it's code is open | 20:12 |
| kazi | you can see it and test it | 20:12 |
| kazi | Now what will be the best choice in input method switcher for avro? | 20:13 |
| tuhin | scim | 20:14 |
| kazi | within bracket there is something like scim or xim | 20:14 |
| tuhin | its input method switcher in control center | 20:15 |
| kazi | which one should be selected? | 20:15 |
| tuhin | scim xim | 20:16 |
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| tuhin | XIM via SCIM | 20:19 |
| kazi | আমি আবারও এলাম | 20:19 |
| tuhin | which do u feel more comfortable? unijoy or avro? | 20:20 |
| kazi | লেখার আকৃতি এত ছোট কেন? | 20:21 |
| tuhin | yes thats a problem | 20:21 |
| kazi | It's a confusing question for me | 20:21 |
| kazi | because | 20:21 |
| kazi | I felt better when did I use bijoy for typing in Bengali | 20:22 |
| kazi | then gave up it | 20:22 |
| kazi | and took avro in my hand | 20:22 |
| kazi | I liked avro too | 20:22 |
| kazi | than used it only | 20:22 |
| kazi | after switching to linuxmint I discovered unijoy via ibus-m17n | 20:23 |
| kazi | then use it | 20:23 |
| tuhin | hmm | 20:23 |
| tuhin | now which u feel easy? | 20:23 |
| tuhin | i think avro becoming easy for me | 20:24 |
| kazi | it has been made easy for me | 20:24 |
| kazi | unijoy which is similar to bijoy | 20:24 |
| tuhin | ok | 20:24 |
| kazi | after a long time | 20:25 |
| kazi | I typed in avro and found much pain | 20:25 |
| kazi | now it seems like harder for me | 20:25 |
| kazi | to type with avro | 20:26 |
| tuhin | hmm | 20:26 |
| kazi | but it's true that once I got it too easy to type bengali with avro and it was very fast too | 20:27 |
| kazi | I had a better speed with avro | 20:27 |
| kazi | now it has gone already | 20:27 |
| kazi | I've forgotten many key locations | 20:27 |
| tuhin | ok | 20:27 |
| tuhin | which is fast? | 20:28 |
| tuhin | when u were using unijoy/bijoy or when u used avro? | 20:28 |
| kazi | I can realize that only one keyboard layout is enough for typing Bengali if we can build a habit of using that layout | 20:28 |
| kazi | I am introduced with avro in 2009 | 20:29 |
| tuhin | yeah | 20:29 |
| kazi | and unijoy in 2011 when I installed linux mint for the first time | 20:30 |
| kazi | but I knew bijoy from the very beginning of my computer learning experience | 20:30 |
| tuhin | ok | 20:30 |
| kazi | my be in 2000 or 1999 I'm not sure | 20:31 |
| kazi | but earlier I used to type Bengali very often | 20:31 |
| tuhin | ok | 20:31 |
| kazi | when did I use Bijoy | 20:32 |
| kazi | If you taste Bijoy keyboard there will be nothing new to taste with Unijoy | 20:33 |
| tuhin | i used bijoy 8 years ago and then totally forgot | 20:33 |
| kazi | When you will compare that three keyboard layouts you will find avro is quite different from them | 20:34 |
| kazi | I heard about monir keyboard before but never tasted it | 20:35 |
| kazi | so I have no experience with it | 20:35 |
| tuhin | ok | 20:35 |
| kazi | but few days ago I tried probhat for a day only | 20:35 |
| kazi | I don't know why but I gave up the experiment with probhat | 20:36 |
| tuhin | where did probhat came from? | 20:36 |
| kazi | so I don't know probhat too | 20:36 |
| tuhin | munir = bangla typre writer layout = older than bijoy | 20:36 |
| kazi | I don't know it's origin but probhat is familiar with many people | 20:36 |
| kazi | yeah munir is traditional keyboard for typing Bengali | 20:37 |
| kazi | Then Mostafa Zabbar wrote the software Bijoy for us. | 20:38 |
| kazi | It was may be in 1999 or 2000 | 20:38 |
| kazi | I am not sure of it | 20:38 |
| tuhin | much before that | 20:39 |
| tuhin | i have to go now | 20:40 |
| tuhin | bye | 20:41 |
| kazi | I like bijoy or unijoy much | 20:41 |
| kazi | but avro is easy to go with | 20:41 |
| kazi | ok bro | 20:41 |
| kazi | Good Night | 20:41 |
| kazi | Bye Bye | 20:41 |
| tuhin | bye | 20:42 |
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