[11:42] <tuhin> Hi Tanvir
[11:42] <Tanvir> Hello tuhin.
[11:42] <tuhin> how r u
[11:43] <tuhin> is ubuntu-bd.org affiliated with Ubuntu.com? any official recognition?
[11:44] <Tanvir> No.
[11:44] <Tanvir> And I am fine. How are you?
[11:44] <tuhin> fine
[11:45] <Tanvir> That's always good. :)
[11:45] <tuhin> maybe ubuntu-bd.org can suggest canonical to use avro phonetics by default / or as option with ubuntu?
[11:46] <tuhin> i see it comes with provat and anotehr keyboard layout  and dont know where they came from....
[11:46] <Tanvir> You mean iBUS?
[11:46] <tuhin> no
[11:47] <tuhin> Avro Phonetics should be included with ubuntu
[11:47] <Tanvir> Well, provat is included in iBUS.
[11:47] <tuhin> Ibus = for unijoy i think
[11:47] <Tanvir> That's why you get it.
[11:47] <tuhin> ah ic
[11:47] <tuhin> avro cant be used with ibus?
[11:47] <Tanvir> IBus has both Provat and Unijoy.
[11:48] <Tanvir> As far as I see, IBus has only fixed layout.
[11:48] <tuhin> i have provat and another (not unijoy)
[11:48] <tuhin> ic
[11:48] <Tanvir> I have Unijoy. ;)
[11:48] <tuhin> my keyboard have bijoy layout printed on keys and the otehr layout doesn't match with it
[11:49] <tuhin> so the other keyboard laybout isn't unijoy
[11:49] <tuhin> installed unijoy last night
[11:49] <Tanvir> In Ubuntu?
[11:49] <tuhin> i m on mint10 (based on ubuntu 10.10)
[11:49] <Tanvir> Oh, I am in pure Ubuntu 10.10.
[11:50] <Tanvir> Never used mint.
[11:50] <tuhin> ok , use mint11 when it comes next month 
[11:50] <tuhin> i think u will like it more than ubuntu
[11:51] <Tanvir> I think not. I am more eager to use 11.04. :D
[11:51] <Tanvir> Currently beta 2 is in progress.
[11:51] <Tanvir> Will release in April 28, I hope.
[11:51] <tuhin> Mint11 will be based on Ubuntu 11.04 + necessary extras
[11:52] <tuhin> ubuntu11 will be a resources waster i think
[11:52] <Tanvir> For this time, there will be no release candidate. Final release straight.
[11:52] <tuhin> for unity etc
[11:52] <Tanvir> I have strong machine. :D
[11:52] <tuhin> might be buggy like 10.04 LTS
[11:53] <Tanvir> i7 870. <-- Mine. :D
[11:53] <tuhin> nice
[11:53] <Tanvir> I don't think it will be much buggy.
[11:53] <tuhin> i have Quad Core Phenom II overclocked to 3.4 Ghz
[11:53] <Tanvir> I love AMD man!
[11:54] <tuhin> + 4GB ram (enough for 5 years)
[11:54] <Tanvir> But I don't find it anywhere. :(
[11:54] <tuhin> all my 4 desktops in my life have AMD cpus
[11:54] <tuhin> i manage AMD cpus anyhow
[11:54] <Tanvir> My previous one was AMD.
[11:54] <tuhin> which Cpu
[11:55] <Tanvir> Athlon 64 3000+
[11:55] <Tanvir> My previous one. :)
[11:55] <tuhin> my old desktop was Athlon64 3200+
[11:55] <tuhin> which socket?
[11:55] <Tanvir> Close. :P
[11:55] <tuhin> yeah
[11:55] <Tanvir> 939
[11:55] <tuhin> mine was 939
[11:55] <Tanvir> We are same. :D
[11:55] <tuhin> hmm dual channel memory
[11:55] <tuhin> u bought from Global brand ?
[11:55] <Tanvir> It was ASUS's brand pc.
[11:56] <Tanvir> Aye. :D
[11:56] <tuhin> i build my own pcs 
[11:56] <Tanvir> Good.
[11:56] <tuhin> btw when u bought i7}/
[11:56] <tuhin> ?
[11:56] <Tanvir> few months ago.
[11:56] <tuhin> Amd X2 to  X6 now available at BD
[11:57] <Tanvir> But it's now. :S
[11:57] <Tanvir> I was searching the whole market for AMDs.
[11:57] <tuhin> why u stoped using old 3000+?
[11:57] <Tanvir> Well, it's still running. It's my backup PC. :P
[11:57] <tuhin> i found that time when i bought in 2009 Oct-Nov
[11:58] <tuhin> but those were athlon II s + over priced
[11:58] <tuhin> so , brought from abroad
[11:59] <tuhin> all people who have 5-7 years old Intel cpus have 32 bit support only
[11:59] <tuhin> but people who bought AMD 6-7 years ago have 64 bit support
[11:59] <Tanvir> Yeah.
[12:00] <tuhin> all asked me what i will do with 64 bit cpu back that time
[12:00] <tuhin> i told them i can use this cpu after 10 years too
[12:00] <Tanvir> Well, I got that, I use that. Simple.
[12:01] <tuhin> r u a leader of bd linux community?
[12:01] <Tanvir> Nope. :P
[12:01] <Tanvir> I am just a user, as I pass too many time on IRC, so I idle here.
[12:02] <tuhin> ah like me
[12:02] <Tanvir> I am idle on around 50 channels.
[12:02] <Tanvir> Mostly related to Wikipedia/Wikimedia.
[12:02] <tuhin> when u stared using linux?
[12:02] <Tanvir> Last year.
[12:02] <tuhin> so how many months?
[12:02] <tuhin> i m 4 month ruuning
[12:03] <tuhin> exclusively linux mint`10
[12:03] <Tanvir> Maybe 8 months. I am not sure.
[12:03] <Tanvir> But I am always here, and feel kinda uneasy in Windows. :P
[12:03] <tuhin> i think u should give mint11 a try,
[12:03] <tuhin> i felt Mint10 is easier than winxp ........
[12:03] <Tanvir> Lets see, Fedora and Debian is my OS try queue. ;)
[12:04] <tuhin> i am about to install debian in desktop
[12:04] <tuhin> fedora is not high priority 
[12:04] <Tanvir> Mm. Debian is good.
[12:04] <tuhin> which other distro u used?
[12:05] <Tanvir> Fedora can be worse.
[12:05] <tuhin> yes , so not trying fedora
[12:05] <Tanvir> Nothing. :P
[12:05] <tuhin> do u know the real reason of Japan's accident?
[12:05] <Tanvir> No, I like to give Fedora a try. :P
[12:06] <tuhin> i tried red hat abt 10 years ago ,
[12:06] <tuhin> but some hw didnt work 
[12:06] <Tanvir> What is it? I hope it's not Fedora. :P
[12:06] <tuhin> so i went back to win98 that time
[12:06] <tuhin> USA sent the 1st help , they sent CIA computer experts........
[12:07] <tuhin> to clean the control computer system of Virus
[12:07] <tuhin> the virus was created by US and israeli  government
[12:07] <tuhin> no antivirus catches the virus
[12:07] <tuhin> virus name = Stuxnet
[12:08] <Tanvir> Oh
[12:08] <tuhin> btw, windows security problems are left there Wishfully
[12:08] <tuhin> so that US gov can hack into any computer
[12:09] <tuhin> thats why there is no shortage of security risks in windows....
[12:09] <tuhin> if u google Stuxnet, u will see why they created it
[12:09] <Tanvir> Possible, but I don't think so.
[12:09] <Tanvir> Windows is not that bad.
[12:09] <Tanvir> But it's user friendly.
[12:10] <tuhin> Microsoft is :D
[12:10] <tuhin> MS is that bad 
[12:11] <tuhin> which DE is ur favorite? Gnome, kde?
[12:11] <Tanvir> GNOME as of now.
[12:11] <tuhin> used LXDE?
[12:11] <tuhin> i like both Gnome and LXDE
[12:11] <Tanvir> No.
[12:11] <tuhin> LXDE is so fast and light on RAM
[12:12] <tuhin> takes about 48% less ram than Gnome
[12:12] <Tanvir> Mm.
[12:12] <tuhin> i like fast response , so i liked it
[12:13] <tuhin> how do i switch to avro from unijoy???
[12:24] <tuhin> u there?
[19:14]  * tarunno poking Tanvir 
[19:19]  * tuhin poking tarunno 
[19:19] <tuhin> hi tarunno 
[19:19] <tarunno> hi
[19:20] <tuhin> how r u?
[19:21] <tuhin> how to change keyboard from unijoy to avro without restarting?
[19:27] <tarunno> didn't get your question
[19:27] <tarunno> how were you using Unijoy?
[19:28] <tuhin> how to switch layout
[19:28] <tarunno> in scim?
[19:28] <tarunno> right click on the SCIM logo in the task bar
[19:28] <tarunno> and you will find the setup menu
[19:29] <tuhin> hmmm , i m in unijoy mode now
[19:30] <tuhin> i m using ibus to use unijoy
[19:31] <tarunno> the you need to switch to SCIM 
[19:32] <tarunno> and then you will able to use AVRO phonetic
[19:32] <tuhin> i can use unijoy from scim too?
[19:32] <tarunno> for that you may typr im-switch -c in terminal and choose the SCIM
[19:32] <tarunno> yes you can 
[19:32] <tarunno> but you need to install that manually
[19:33] <tuhin> whats the deb file name
[19:33] <tuhin> i think i have it
[19:33] <tarunno> there is a package in repo called scim-m17n
[19:33] <tuhin> yes i have installed that too
[19:33] <tarunno> install that
[19:33] <tarunno> then what's the problem?
[19:33] <kazi> Hi all! How are you?
[19:33] <tuhin> welcome kazi
[19:34] <tuhin> problem is it needs restarting pc
[19:34] <tuhin> is there any way to switch without restarting pc?
[19:34] <tarunno> no need to restart
[19:34] <tarunno> just log out and re log in
[19:34] <tarunno> that's it
[19:35] <tuhin> log out will close all open applications......
[19:35] <tarunno> yes it will
[19:35] <tarunno> keyborad input is a vital issue for security
[19:35] <tuhin> can i login to another user id without logging out of this id and use avro?
[19:35] <tuhin> ic
[19:36] <tarunno> and it's a feature that you cannot patch something in the middle way 
[19:36] <tarunno> you need to log out and relog in
[19:36] <kazi> tuhin: good question
[19:37] <tuhin> ohok , in winxp i can switch user without logging off... i thought same is possible in linux
[19:37] <tarunno> but once SCIM is active you will able you switch layouts easil
[19:37] <tarunno> easily
[19:37] <tuhin> ok, so i really dont need to install ibus ??
[19:37] <tarunno> switching user is also possible in linux
[19:37] <tarunno> but that won't solve your problem
[19:38] <kazi> what is the full defination of blua? Bangladesh Linux Users...... what?
[19:38] <tarunno> like if I eat, it doesn't fulfil your hunger
[19:38] <tuhin>  Bangladesh Linux Users Alliance (BLUA) |
[19:38] <kazi> hmm
[19:39] <tuhin> the name is funny :)
[19:39] <tuhin> sounds like BHUA
[19:41] <kazi> Bangladesh Habla Ujbuk Association?
[19:42] <tuhin> lol
[19:42] <tuhin> brb let me try logging from another user id and try
[19:42] <kazi> :)
[19:45] <tuhin> back
[19:46] <tuhin> tarunno bhai, dont mind for our jokes :)
[19:47] <kazi> tarunno: I have a big interest to learn computer programming. I tired C programming and I just know some basics of C. If I want to discuss any topic regarding to any question on computer programming in this channel is it alright?
[19:49] <tarunno> yes it is
[19:50] <kazi> tarunno: Thanks for your kind response
[19:50] <kazi> But I am not going to ask you something this time.
[19:51] <tuhin> tarunno: ubuntu-bd have any official connection with canonical or main ubuntu ?
[19:51] <tarunno> yes
[19:51] <tuhin> if yes, then we should ask them to install avro by default if user select bangladesh 
[19:54] <kazi> someone please give me the link to reach avro installation file for a linux laptop
[19:55] <kazi> I've just installed SCIM
[19:55] <tarunno> there is some problems with that idea
[19:56] <tarunno> for uniformity same ISO comes for all people for around the world
[19:56] <tuhin> and it contains keyboard layouts for all countries
[19:57] <tarunno> what you used to install Ubuntu is the same iso what a US guy or a guy from Africa
[19:57] <tarunno> really?
[19:57] <tuhin> it doesn't?
[19:57] <kazi> Can't we make XChat like tool for using Bengali?
[19:57] <tarunno> which countries it does?
[19:57] <tarunno> that is my question does it?
[19:57] <tuhin> سيتسافخمنيتخر
[19:58] <tuhin> فاش
[19:58] <kazi> how can you do that?
[19:58] <tuhin> i just typed arabic without installkign anythign
[19:58] <kazi> wow 
[19:59] <kazi> Are you sure I did not install anything to type Arabic?
[19:59] <tarunno> and hows that? SCIM or Ibus?
[19:59] <kazi> sorry you did not
[20:00] <kazi> tuhin:?
[20:00] <tuhin> i saw layout of all countries came with my Mint10 Gnome
[20:00] <tuhin> i just switched to arabic and tyed randomly
[20:00] <tarunno> that is the question I am asking specifically
[20:00] <tarunno> how you find that layoput
[20:00] <tuhin> from Panel
[20:00] <tuhin> also in control panel
[20:01] <tarunno> is it from language suppot?
[20:01] <tarunno> I mean locale?
[20:01] <tuhin> Control center>Keyboard
[20:01] <tuhin> then layouts
[20:01] <tarunno> if you are talking about locale. it is part of Gnome project, not ubuntu
[20:02] <tuhin> व्पदगप
[20:02] <tuhin> दगरपुादीुददग  hindi
[20:02] <tarunno> 2nd in Ubuntu 10.04 with Ibus ibus-m17n comes by default
[20:03] <tarunno> that's why you need to install anything 
[20:03] <tarunno> but in 10.10 they stripped that
[20:03] <tuhin> u dont have any layouts there ^^^
[20:03] <tuhin> Control center>Keyboard>layouts tab>Add
[20:03] <tarunno> where?
[20:03] <tarunno> ha ha ha
[20:04] <tarunno> install Bengali and you will find that too
[20:04] <tuhin> those r by ibus?
[20:04] <tarunno> but that's not the point
[20:04] <tuhin> i saw probat and another layout came with Mint10 
[20:05] <tuhin> kazi: http://code.google.com/p/scim-avro/downloads/detail?name=scim-avro_0.0.2-1ubuntu9.10_i386.deb&can=2&q=  <<<AVRO
[20:06] <kazi> tuhin: You can add Bengali layout but it's not avro, bijoy, unijoy or else
[20:06] <kazi> it's probhat 
[20:06] <tuhin> yeah , i am asking that we ask ubuntu to add AVRO along with those 2..
[20:07] <kazi> gnome 10 contain probhat language script by default
[20:07] <kazi> Yeah 
[20:07] <kazi> I think it's possible
[20:07] <tuhin> so we need to ask Gnome team?
[20:08] <kazi> Because avro is quite open source
[20:08] <kazi> Gnome or Ubuntu Team I think
[20:08] <kazi> I don't know actually
[20:09] <tuhin> avro is not open i think , but ubuntu and gnome r opensource
[20:12] <kazi> avro is open source software because it's code is open 
[20:12] <kazi> you can see it and test it 
[20:13] <kazi> Now what will be the best choice in input method switcher for avro?
[20:14] <tuhin> scim
[20:14] <kazi> within bracket there is something like scim or xim
[20:15] <tuhin> its input method switcher in control center
[20:15] <kazi> which one should be selected?
[20:16] <tuhin> scim xim
[20:19] <tuhin> XIM via SCIM
[20:19] <kazi> আমি আবারও এলাম
[20:20] <tuhin> which do u feel more comfortable? unijoy or avro?
[20:21] <kazi> লেখার আকৃতি এত ছোট কেন?
[20:21] <tuhin> yes thats a problem
[20:21] <kazi> It's a confusing question for me
[20:21] <kazi> because
[20:22] <kazi> I felt better when did I use bijoy for typing in Bengali
[20:22] <kazi> then gave up it
[20:22] <kazi> and took avro in my hand
[20:22] <kazi> I liked avro too
[20:22] <kazi> than used it only
[20:23] <kazi> after switching to linuxmint I discovered unijoy via ibus-m17n
[20:23] <kazi> then use it
[20:23] <tuhin> hmm
[20:23] <tuhin> now which u feel easy?
[20:24] <tuhin> i think avro becoming easy for me
[20:24] <kazi> it has been made easy for me
[20:24] <kazi> unijoy which is similar to bijoy
[20:24] <tuhin> ok
[20:25] <kazi> after a long time
[20:25] <kazi> I typed in avro and found much pain
[20:25] <kazi> now it seems like harder for me
[20:26] <kazi> to type with avro
[20:26] <tuhin> hmm
[20:27] <kazi> but it's true that once I got it too easy to type bengali with avro and it was very fast too
[20:27] <kazi> I had a better speed with avro
[20:27] <kazi> now it has gone already
[20:27] <kazi> I've forgotten many key locations
[20:27] <tuhin> ok
[20:28] <tuhin> which is fast?
[20:28] <tuhin> when u were using unijoy/bijoy or when u used avro?
[20:28] <kazi> I can realize that only one keyboard layout is enough for typing Bengali if we can build a habit of using that layout
[20:29] <kazi> I am introduced with avro in 2009
[20:29] <tuhin> yeah
[20:30] <kazi> and unijoy in 2011 when I installed linux mint for the first time
[20:30] <kazi> but I knew bijoy from the very beginning of my computer learning experience
[20:30] <tuhin> ok
[20:31] <kazi> my be in 2000 or 1999 I'm not sure
[20:31] <kazi> but earlier I used to type Bengali very often
[20:31] <tuhin> ok
[20:32] <kazi> when did I use Bijoy 
[20:33] <kazi> If you taste Bijoy keyboard there will be nothing new to taste with Unijoy
[20:33] <tuhin> i used bijoy 8 years ago and then totally forgot
[20:34] <kazi> When you will compare that three keyboard layouts you will find avro is quite different from them
[20:35] <kazi> I heard about monir keyboard before but never tasted it
[20:35] <kazi> so I have no experience with it
[20:35] <tuhin> ok
[20:35] <kazi> but few days ago I tried probhat for a day only
[20:36] <kazi> I don't know why but I gave up the experiment with probhat
[20:36] <tuhin> where did probhat came from?
[20:36] <kazi> so I don't know probhat too
[20:36] <tuhin> munir = bangla typre writer layout = older than bijoy 
[20:36] <kazi> I don't know it's origin but probhat is familiar with many people
[20:37] <kazi> yeah munir is traditional keyboard for typing Bengali
[20:38] <kazi> Then Mostafa Zabbar wrote the software Bijoy for us.
[20:38] <kazi> It was may be in 1999 or 2000
[20:38] <kazi> I am not sure of it
[20:39] <tuhin> much before that
[20:40] <tuhin> i have to go now
[20:41] <tuhin> bye
[20:41] <kazi> I like bijoy or unijoy much
[20:41] <kazi> but avro is easy to go with
[20:41] <kazi> ok bro
[20:41] <kazi> Good Night
[20:41] <kazi> Bye Bye
[20:42] <tuhin> bye