=== bare|sleep is now known as bare|away [11:42] Hi Tanvir [11:42] Hello tuhin. [11:42] how r u [11:43] is ubuntu-bd.org affiliated with Ubuntu.com? any official recognition? [11:44] No. [11:44] And I am fine. How are you? [11:44] fine [11:45] That's always good. :) [11:45] maybe ubuntu-bd.org can suggest canonical to use avro phonetics by default / or as option with ubuntu? [11:46] i see it comes with provat and anotehr keyboard layout and dont know where they came from.... [11:46] You mean iBUS? [11:46] no [11:47] Avro Phonetics should be included with ubuntu [11:47] Well, provat is included in iBUS. [11:47] Ibus = for unijoy i think [11:47] That's why you get it. [11:47] ah ic [11:47] avro cant be used with ibus? [11:47] IBus has both Provat and Unijoy. [11:48] As far as I see, IBus has only fixed layout. [11:48] i have provat and another (not unijoy) [11:48] ic [11:48] I have Unijoy. ;) [11:48] my keyboard have bijoy layout printed on keys and the otehr layout doesn't match with it [11:49] so the other keyboard laybout isn't unijoy [11:49] installed unijoy last night [11:49] In Ubuntu? [11:49] i m on mint10 (based on ubuntu 10.10) [11:49] Oh, I am in pure Ubuntu 10.10. [11:50] Never used mint. [11:50] ok , use mint11 when it comes next month [11:50] i think u will like it more than ubuntu [11:51] I think not. I am more eager to use 11.04. :D [11:51] Currently beta 2 is in progress. [11:51] Will release in April 28, I hope. [11:51] Mint11 will be based on Ubuntu 11.04 + necessary extras [11:52] ubuntu11 will be a resources waster i think [11:52] For this time, there will be no release candidate. Final release straight. [11:52] for unity etc [11:52] I have strong machine. :D [11:52] might be buggy like 10.04 LTS [11:53] i7 870. <-- Mine. :D [11:53] nice [11:53] I don't think it will be much buggy. [11:53] i have Quad Core Phenom II overclocked to 3.4 Ghz [11:53] I love AMD man! [11:54] + 4GB ram (enough for 5 years) [11:54] But I don't find it anywhere. :( [11:54] all my 4 desktops in my life have AMD cpus [11:54] i manage AMD cpus anyhow [11:54] My previous one was AMD. [11:54] which Cpu [11:55] Athlon 64 3000+ [11:55] My previous one. :) [11:55] my old desktop was Athlon64 3200+ [11:55] which socket? [11:55] Close. :P [11:55] yeah [11:55] 939 [11:55] mine was 939 [11:55] We are same. :D [11:55] hmm dual channel memory [11:55] u bought from Global brand ? [11:55] It was ASUS's brand pc. [11:56] Aye. :D [11:56] i build my own pcs [11:56] Good. [11:56] btw when u bought i7}/ [11:56] ? [11:56] few months ago. [11:56] Amd X2 to X6 now available at BD [11:57] But it's now. :S [11:57] I was searching the whole market for AMDs. [11:57] why u stoped using old 3000+? [11:57] Well, it's still running. It's my backup PC. :P [11:57] i found that time when i bought in 2009 Oct-Nov [11:58] but those were athlon II s + over priced [11:58] so , brought from abroad [11:59] all people who have 5-7 years old Intel cpus have 32 bit support only [11:59] but people who bought AMD 6-7 years ago have 64 bit support [11:59] Yeah. [12:00] all asked me what i will do with 64 bit cpu back that time [12:00] i told them i can use this cpu after 10 years too [12:00] Well, I got that, I use that. Simple. [12:01] r u a leader of bd linux community? [12:01] Nope. :P [12:01] I am just a user, as I pass too many time on IRC, so I idle here. [12:02] ah like me [12:02] I am idle on around 50 channels. [12:02] Mostly related to Wikipedia/Wikimedia. [12:02] when u stared using linux? [12:02] Last year. [12:02] so how many months? [12:02] i m 4 month ruuning [12:03] exclusively linux mint`10 [12:03] Maybe 8 months. I am not sure. [12:03] But I am always here, and feel kinda uneasy in Windows. :P [12:03] i think u should give mint11 a try, [12:03] i felt Mint10 is easier than winxp ........ [12:03] Lets see, Fedora and Debian is my OS try queue. ;) [12:04] i am about to install debian in desktop [12:04] fedora is not high priority [12:04] Mm. Debian is good. [12:04] which other distro u used? [12:05] Fedora can be worse. [12:05] yes , so not trying fedora [12:05] Nothing. :P [12:05] do u know the real reason of Japan's accident? [12:05] No, I like to give Fedora a try. :P [12:06] i tried red hat abt 10 years ago , [12:06] but some hw didnt work [12:06] What is it? I hope it's not Fedora. :P [12:06] so i went back to win98 that time [12:06] USA sent the 1st help , they sent CIA computer experts........ [12:07] to clean the control computer system of Virus [12:07] the virus was created by US and israeli government [12:07] no antivirus catches the virus [12:07] virus name = Stuxnet [12:08] Oh [12:08] btw, windows security problems are left there Wishfully [12:08] so that US gov can hack into any computer [12:09] thats why there is no shortage of security risks in windows.... [12:09] if u google Stuxnet, u will see why they created it [12:09] Possible, but I don't think so. [12:09] Windows is not that bad. [12:09] But it's user friendly. [12:10] Microsoft is :D [12:10] MS is that bad [12:11] which DE is ur favorite? Gnome, kde? [12:11] GNOME as of now. [12:11] used LXDE? [12:11] i like both Gnome and LXDE [12:11] No. [12:11] LXDE is so fast and light on RAM [12:12] takes about 48% less ram than Gnome [12:12] Mm. [12:12] i like fast response , so i liked it [12:13] how do i switch to avro from unijoy??? [12:24] u there? [19:14] * tarunno poking Tanvir [19:19] * tuhin poking tarunno [19:19] hi tarunno [19:19] hi [19:20] how r u? [19:21] how to change keyboard from unijoy to avro without restarting? [19:27] didn't get your question [19:27] how were you using Unijoy? [19:28] how to switch layout [19:28] in scim? [19:28] right click on the SCIM logo in the task bar [19:28] and you will find the setup menu [19:29] hmmm , i m in unijoy mode now [19:30] i m using ibus to use unijoy [19:31] the you need to switch to SCIM [19:32] and then you will able to use AVRO phonetic [19:32] i can use unijoy from scim too? [19:32] for that you may typr im-switch -c in terminal and choose the SCIM [19:32] yes you can [19:32] but you need to install that manually [19:33] whats the deb file name [19:33] i think i have it [19:33] there is a package in repo called scim-m17n [19:33] yes i have installed that too [19:33] install that [19:33] then what's the problem? [19:33] Hi all! How are you? [19:33] welcome kazi [19:34] problem is it needs restarting pc [19:34] is there any way to switch without restarting pc? [19:34] no need to restart [19:34] just log out and re log in [19:34] that's it [19:35] log out will close all open applications...... [19:35] yes it will [19:35] keyborad input is a vital issue for security [19:35] can i login to another user id without logging out of this id and use avro? [19:35] ic [19:36] and it's a feature that you cannot patch something in the middle way [19:36] you need to log out and relog in [19:36] tuhin: good question [19:37] ohok , in winxp i can switch user without logging off... i thought same is possible in linux [19:37] but once SCIM is active you will able you switch layouts easil [19:37] easily [19:37] ok, so i really dont need to install ibus ?? [19:37] switching user is also possible in linux [19:37] but that won't solve your problem [19:38] what is the full defination of blua? Bangladesh Linux Users...... what? [19:38] like if I eat, it doesn't fulfil your hunger [19:38] Bangladesh Linux Users Alliance (BLUA) | [19:38] hmm [19:39] the name is funny :) [19:39] sounds like BHUA [19:41] Bangladesh Habla Ujbuk Association? [19:42] lol [19:42] brb let me try logging from another user id and try [19:42] :) [19:45] back [19:46] tarunno bhai, dont mind for our jokes :) [19:47] tarunno: I have a big interest to learn computer programming. I tired C programming and I just know some basics of C. If I want to discuss any topic regarding to any question on computer programming in this channel is it alright? [19:49] yes it is [19:50] tarunno: Thanks for your kind response [19:50] But I am not going to ask you something this time. [19:51] tarunno: ubuntu-bd have any official connection with canonical or main ubuntu ? [19:51] yes [19:51] if yes, then we should ask them to install avro by default if user select bangladesh [19:54] someone please give me the link to reach avro installation file for a linux laptop [19:55] I've just installed SCIM [19:55] there is some problems with that idea [19:56] for uniformity same ISO comes for all people for around the world [19:56] and it contains keyboard layouts for all countries [19:57] what you used to install Ubuntu is the same iso what a US guy or a guy from Africa [19:57] really? [19:57] it doesn't? [19:57] Can't we make XChat like tool for using Bengali? [19:57] which countries it does? [19:57] that is my question does it? [19:57] سيتسافخمنيتخر [19:58] فاش [19:58] how can you do that? [19:58] i just typed arabic without installkign anythign [19:58] wow [19:59] Are you sure I did not install anything to type Arabic? [19:59] and hows that? SCIM or Ibus? [19:59] sorry you did not [20:00] tuhin:? [20:00] i saw layout of all countries came with my Mint10 Gnome [20:00] i just switched to arabic and tyed randomly [20:00] that is the question I am asking specifically [20:00] how you find that layoput [20:00] from Panel [20:00] also in control panel [20:01] is it from language suppot? [20:01] I mean locale? [20:01] Control center>Keyboard [20:01] then layouts [20:01] if you are talking about locale. it is part of Gnome project, not ubuntu [20:02] व्पदगप [20:02] दगरपुादीुददग hindi [20:02] 2nd in Ubuntu 10.04 with Ibus ibus-m17n comes by default [20:03] that's why you need to install anything [20:03] but in 10.10 they stripped that [20:03] u dont have any layouts there ^^^ [20:03] Control center>Keyboard>layouts tab>Add [20:03] where? [20:03] ha ha ha [20:04] install Bengali and you will find that too [20:04] those r by ibus? [20:04] but that's not the point [20:04] i saw probat and another layout came with Mint10 [20:05] kazi: http://code.google.com/p/scim-avro/downloads/detail?name=scim-avro_0.0.2-1ubuntu9.10_i386.deb&can=2&q= << tuhin: You can add Bengali layout but it's not avro, bijoy, unijoy or else [20:06] it's probhat [20:06] yeah , i am asking that we ask ubuntu to add AVRO along with those 2.. [20:07] gnome 10 contain probhat language script by default [20:07] Yeah [20:07] I think it's possible [20:07] so we need to ask Gnome team? [20:08] Because avro is quite open source [20:08] Gnome or Ubuntu Team I think [20:08] I don't know actually [20:09] avro is not open i think , but ubuntu and gnome r opensource [20:12] avro is open source software because it's code is open [20:12] you can see it and test it [20:13] Now what will be the best choice in input method switcher for avro? [20:14] scim [20:14] within bracket there is something like scim or xim [20:15] its input method switcher in control center [20:15] which one should be selected? [20:16] scim xim === noor_ is now known as kazi [20:19] XIM via SCIM [20:19] আমি আবারও এলাম [20:20] which do u feel more comfortable? unijoy or avro? [20:21] লেখার আকৃতি এত ছোট কেন? [20:21] yes thats a problem [20:21] It's a confusing question for me [20:21] because [20:22] I felt better when did I use bijoy for typing in Bengali [20:22] then gave up it [20:22] and took avro in my hand [20:22] I liked avro too [20:22] than used it only [20:23] after switching to linuxmint I discovered unijoy via ibus-m17n [20:23] then use it [20:23] hmm [20:23] now which u feel easy? [20:24] i think avro becoming easy for me [20:24] it has been made easy for me [20:24] unijoy which is similar to bijoy [20:24] ok [20:25] after a long time [20:25] I typed in avro and found much pain [20:25] now it seems like harder for me [20:26] to type with avro [20:26] hmm [20:27] but it's true that once I got it too easy to type bengali with avro and it was very fast too [20:27] I had a better speed with avro [20:27] now it has gone already [20:27] I've forgotten many key locations [20:27] ok [20:28] which is fast? [20:28] when u were using unijoy/bijoy or when u used avro? [20:28] I can realize that only one keyboard layout is enough for typing Bengali if we can build a habit of using that layout [20:29] I am introduced with avro in 2009 [20:29] yeah [20:30] and unijoy in 2011 when I installed linux mint for the first time [20:30] but I knew bijoy from the very beginning of my computer learning experience [20:30] ok [20:31] my be in 2000 or 1999 I'm not sure [20:31] but earlier I used to type Bengali very often [20:31] ok [20:32] when did I use Bijoy [20:33] If you taste Bijoy keyboard there will be nothing new to taste with Unijoy [20:33] i used bijoy 8 years ago and then totally forgot [20:34] When you will compare that three keyboard layouts you will find avro is quite different from them [20:35] I heard about monir keyboard before but never tasted it [20:35] so I have no experience with it [20:35] ok [20:35] but few days ago I tried probhat for a day only [20:36] I don't know why but I gave up the experiment with probhat [20:36] where did probhat came from? [20:36] so I don't know probhat too [20:36] munir = bangla typre writer layout = older than bijoy [20:36] I don't know it's origin but probhat is familiar with many people [20:37] yeah munir is traditional keyboard for typing Bengali [20:38] Then Mostafa Zabbar wrote the software Bijoy for us. [20:38] It was may be in 1999 or 2000 [20:38] I am not sure of it [20:39] much before that [20:40] i have to go now [20:41] bye [20:41] I like bijoy or unijoy much [20:41] but avro is easy to go with [20:41] ok bro [20:41] Good Night [20:41] Bye Bye [20:42] bye