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kristian-aalborghey00:00
kristian-aalborganyone tried making a grub installation on a cd?00:01
kristian-aalborgI'd like to do that so that I can boot off of pcmcia/cf00:01
UbuntuN00bcf?00:18
kristian-aalborgUbuntuN00b: Compact Flash00:21
UbuntuN00bi was working on that00:21
kristian-aalborgyes?00:21
UbuntuN00bcaus i have an aspire one so the sd slot is not bootable00:21
UbuntuN00bas its pci00:21
UbuntuN00bi have read forums that its possible but00:22
UbuntuN00bi think you need to boot to a linux distro on the maine drive then boot to flash00:22
UbuntuN00bas grub does not have a kernal00:22
UbuntuN00bit can only see what your bios does00:22
UbuntuN00bbut i'm a n00b00:22
UbuntuN00bso don't just take my word for it00:23
UbuntuN00bthats what i wanted to do because my internal drive is only 8gb00:23
UbuntuN00bbought a class 10 40gb sd card00:23
UbuntuN00bsupposebly this guy got it working00:26
UbuntuN00bhttp://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-981951.html00:26
ZacerI'm having trouble using my new external DVD drive, can someone help me out?03:37
holsteinZacer: do those look kinda like records?03:37
holsteinits been a while ;)03:37
* holstein totally kidding03:38
holsteinZacer: plug it in03:38
holsteinits USB right?03:38
Zacerit's plugged in, and yes usb03:38
holsteinand open a terminal03:38
holsteinrun in the terminal03:38
holsteinlspci03:38
holsteinand lsusb03:38
holsteinand see if you see the device listed there03:38
holsteinand let me plug the LG dvd burner i have here in03:38
holsteinand see where it shows up :)03:38
holsteinyeah03:39
holsteinBus 001 Device 008: ID 152e:2507 LG (HLDS)03:39
holstein^ i think thats it03:39
holsteinin lsusb03:39
ZacerI don't think I see it there. this is what showed up03:43
Zacernathan@Sheldon:~$ lsusb03:43
ZacerBus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub03:43
ZacerBus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub03:43
ZacerBus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub03:43
ZacerBus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub03:43
ZacerBus 001 Device 003: ID 05e3:0701 Genesys Logic, Inc. USB 2.0 IDE Adapter03:43
ZacerBus 001 Device 002: ID 0c45:62c0 Microdia Sonix USB 2.0 Camera03:43
ZacerBus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub03:43
holsteini dont think so either03:44
holstein*use http://paste.ubuntu.com/ for pasting multiple lines in the future :)03:44
holsteinZacer: what is it?03:44
holsteinwhat brand/model03:44
holsteindo you still have the reciept?03:44
holsteinhave you tried it with another machine/os?03:45
Zacershould be a philips CDRW/DVD CDD5263.  and yes, I tried it on a windows machine and it worked fine03:45
Zacerwhen I open Disk Utility, it shows up along side my other drives, but I am unable to access it through any programs03:47
holsteinwhat shows up in disc utility?03:47
holsteinwhatever DVD you have?03:47
Zacerno, just the name of the drive, which is the model number I posted earlier03:48
holsteinwhat happens when you put a DVD/CD in?03:49
holsteinnothing?03:49
Zaceryeah. the drive itself spins it as if it will start to read it, but the computer shows no response. I figured that the autostart just wasn't compatible on ubuntu03:49
holsteini found your thread ;) http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=172019503:50
holsteinand thats it03:50
holstein:/03:50
Zaceryeah :/03:50
holsteinnah03:50
holsteinautostart for what?03:50
holsteintry different discs03:50
holsteinif you have an autostarting windows disc03:50
holsteinthat wont start03:50
Zacerwhen I put it on the windows machine, it started playing immediately. It's just a generic movie DVD03:51
holsteinrelavant?03:52
holsteinhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/58552403:52
ubot2Launchpad bug 585524 in linux "Cant play Audio CD's in Lucid" [Undecided,Invalid]03:52
holsteinor03:53
holsteinhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=70292503:53
Zacerhmm, that first one is the same model, but unlike his, mine doesn't show up in my Computer alongside my other devices03:58
holsteinZacer: sometimes a kernel update can fix that04:00
holsteinhave you upgraded?04:00
Zacerupgraded or updated?04:00
holsteinwell, whatever you kids are calling it04:00
holsteingetting new packages :)04:00
Zacerhaha. yes, I have gone through the updates whenever update manager brings them up, but I will check again now for any new updates04:01
holsteinZacer: thats odd04:01
holsteinseems so much like a hardware problem04:01
holsteinim sure youve tried other USB ports04:02
Zaceryeah, but it has worked on another machine. I actually haven't, I'll do that now04:02
holsteinbut if the USB is known to be good04:03
holsteinwho knows04:03
holsteinthat sux i know04:03
holsteinZacer: i would be interested to see if the thing works with any newer or older kernels04:03
holsteinusually the easiest way for me to do that04:03
holsteinis get live ISO's04:03
holsteinyou can make live USB sticks of lucid and natty04:04
holsteinand try them04:04
holsteinIF you just get bored :)04:04
Zacerhmm, I think I might try that. they're still available for download, right?04:04
holsteinyeah04:05
holsteinyou can probably get hardy still04:05
holsteinlucid'll be around for a while though04:05
holsteinand natty has a different kernel version too04:05
Zacerwhich would you suggest in general?04:05
holsteinwell, as kind of a last ditch trouble-shooting setp04:06
holsteinstep(04:06
holsteini usually try the last LTS04:06
holsteinand the newest one04:06
holsteinZacer: try natty04:06
holsteinthen you can at least see natty04:07
holsteinand you'll get that out of the experience if nothing else04:07
holsteinZacer: if it does happen to work04:07
holsteinnote the kernel version04:07
holsteinshould be able to get that device working with 10.1004:08
Jygenis there a way to install amd radeon 6850 drivers on ubuntu04:43
bioterrorJygen, propietary drivers04:47
Jygenthere isnt a sudo command for it04:57
Jygenubuntu isnt detecting my card at all04:57
holsteinJygen: usually you'll get a pop-up about restricted drivers04:58
holsteincheck out http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=163764404:59
Jygenwell ive googled it04:59
Jygenand people have gotten the same card i have to work04:59
holsteinand https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI04:59
Jygenbut i cant figure out how they did it04:59
Jygenthanks04:59
holsteinsure04:59
holsteinJygen: its working in some capacity right?05:00
holsteinjust no 3d?05:00
holsteini had a 92something05:00
holstein9250 maybe05:00
holsteini didnt get 3d going on it05:00
holsteinanyways, good luck :)05:00
holsteinsearch around for bug reports05:01
Jygenim not lookin for 3d just better display05:01
Jygenbut thanks05:01
Jygen-D05:01
Jygen=D05:01
holsteinthoughs usually have really good explanations and directions05:01
Jygendoes this work on 10.04 also05:01
Jygenor just 10.1005:01
holsteini would try them all05:02
holsteinits an easy way to try different kernel versions05:02
Jygenalright05:03
holsteintry them live05:03
Jygenthis is kinda hard to figure out but i think i got it05:14
Jygenjust gotta install some stuff05:14
Jygencompletely new to linux btw05:14
Jygenthats why im having trouble with this05:14
Jygenfinally05:27
Jygeni have to download build essentials i guess05:27
Jygenhey holstein05:30
Jygenany idea why i would get this in the terminal05:31
Jygendesktop:~$ sudo sh ./ati-driver-installer-x86.x86_64.run05:31
Jygensh: Can't open ./ati-driver-installer-x86.x86_64.run05:31
holsteinJygen: maybe its not there05:31
holsteinlet the path auto complete05:32
holsteinwith tab05:32
holsteinand you'll know you are asking for something thats there05:32
Jygeni give up05:45
Jygeni cant get the driver to install05:45
holsteinJygen: with?05:45
holsteinwhat driver?05:46
Jygen6850 radeon05:46
holsteinright05:46
holsteinwhere did you get it?05:46
holsteinthere should be one in the repos05:46
holsteinthat'll work05:46
holsteinif not05:46
holsteinthere should be directions in the download05:46
holsteinwhats the issue?05:46
Jygenubuntus not detecting my graphics card05:46
Jygenand i cant get it to work05:46
holsteinwell, ubuntu is05:47
holsteinyou have a desktop05:47
holsteinamd is not supplying you a driver05:47
holsteinto use with ubuntu05:47
holsteinBUT05:47
holsteinthats a story for another day05:47
holsteinJygen: whats the error message?05:47
Jygenno error message05:47
holsteinJygen: OK05:47
Jygenwhen i go to hardware drivers05:47
holsteinwhats the issue05:47
Jygennothing appears05:47
holsteinwhen you are trying to install the driver05:48
Jygenoh05:48
Jygenit just keeps saying command not found05:48
holsteinwhat command?05:48
holsteindid you use autocomplete like i suggested?05:48
holsteinyou can also just find the .sh file05:48
Jygen2 sh ./ati-driver-installer-x86.x86_64.run05:48
holsteinand drag it over in the terminal05:48
holsteinthe .run file05:49
holsteinopen the gnome terminal05:49
holsteinand drag it over05:49
Jygeni tried that to05:49
holsteinand the complete path will complete05:49
holsteinJygen: whats the error then?05:49
holsteincheck out https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingRunPackage05:50
Jygenthanks05:52
Jygenthat worked05:52
holsteinJygen: :)05:52
Jygenidk why i couldnt find that online at all05:52
holsteinJygen: theres no shortage of ubuntu wiki pages05:52
Jygeni was checking forums trying to find people who had similar problems05:53
holsteincan be challenging to search for the proper one though05:53
Jygenwhat can i do about the fact that when i go to my hardware drivers05:54
Jygenit doesnt display my graphics card05:54
holsteinJygen: what hardware drivers?05:54
Jygenumm05:54
holsteinim not sure where you are looking05:54
holsteinopen a terminal05:54
holsteinrun05:54
holsteinlscpi05:54
holsteinOOPS05:54
holsteinlspci05:54
holsteinyou'll see the device there05:54
Jygensystem>administrations>hardwaredrivers05:54
holsteinJygen: you'll see restricted drivers show up there05:55
holsteinif you downloaded05:55
holsteinand installed05:55
holsteina relavant driver05:55
holsteinthats it05:55
holsteinyou dont have to do there05:55
holsteingo*05:55
Jygeni actually think its isntalled now05:56
holsteincool05:56
holsteinyou'll find out05:56
Jygenit shows the ati driver05:56
holsteinyou should need to restart for that05:56
Jygenim gonna reboot my system real quick and ill come back and let you know if my graphics card is working properly05:56
holsteinJygen: good luck05:57
Jygendidnt work06:04
holsteinJygen: :/06:04
Jygenit says the reason its not working06:04
holsteinJygen: did it make you a custom xorg.conf?06:04
Jygenis because the driver itself is not installed06:04
Jygenbut the software for the driver is installed06:04
holsteinJygen: maybe the driver isnt loaded06:04
Jygenmaybe06:04
holsteinyou might need a custom xorg.conf06:04
Jygenthats what im thinking06:05
holsteinubuntu doesnt really use that anymore06:05
holsteinbut, if one is there06:05
Jygeni read something about a custom xorg06:05
holsteinit'll use it06:05
holsteinim using a few actually06:05
Jygenhmm06:05
holsteinwith ubuntu 10.0406:05
Jygenhow would i go about uninstalling the .run file i just installed06:05
holsteinwell, you dont need to06:06
holsteinbut there should be directions in it06:06
holsteinmaybe an unistall script06:06
Jygeni believe i have the custom xorg but it also installs the same software i just installed06:06
holsteini wouldnt worry about it though06:06
holsteinJygen: the xorg shouldnt install anything06:07
holsteinyou should just put in there06:07
holsteinin /etc/X1106:07
holsteinand it'll just do its thing06:07
holsteinBUT, make sure you know how to go in with a live CD06:07
holsteinand undo it :)06:07
holsteinif you dont get any video at all*06:07
Jygenwait06:09
Jygenput that in terminal?06:09
holsteinput what in terminal?06:09
holsteinyou gotta make the xorg file06:09
holsteinand put it in /etc/X1106:10
Jygeni got no idea how to make the xorg file06:10
holsteinJygen: do you have one?06:10
holsteinthat you grabbed from somewhere?06:10
Jygenthought i did06:10
holsteinyou can use gedit06:10
Jygenbut appearently i dotn06:10
holsteingksudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf06:10
holsteinand paste it in06:10
holsteinBUT, again06:10
holsteinhave a backup plan06:11
holsteinyou go in from a live CD06:11
holsteinand rename that file06:11
holstein /etc/X11/xorg.cong.didntwork06:11
holsteinor whatever06:11
holsteinand you can boot again06:11
holsteinlike you are now06:11
holsteinand try something else06:11
Jygeni still think my problem is the fact that06:13
Jygenwhen i first installed ubuntu06:13
Jygenand went to my hardware drivers06:13
Jygenit didnt have any proprietary drivers for me to activate06:13
holsteinright06:14
holsteinwhich probably means that there are none06:14
holsteinbut, if you found one, thats great06:14
Jygenim using 10.0406:14
holsteinand sometimes there are some older cards like that that fall through the cracks06:14
holsteinJygen: doesnt matter06:14
Jygenwhen i installed 10.10 it was able to detect my proprietary drivers06:14
holsteinalmost always06:14
holsteinIF there is a proprietary driver availalbe06:15
holsteinit'll tell you about it06:15
Jygenany my cards not that old06:15
Jygenand*06:15
holsteina 62xx?06:15
Jygen68xx06:15
holsteinwell, whatever06:15
Jygen685006:15
holsteinwhy not just use 10.10 then?06:15
Jygenthe disc i have is curropted06:16
Jygenso when i installed it it seemed to work06:16
Jygenbut when i shut my computer off and rebooted it nothing showed up06:16
holsteinyou can dist-upgrade06:16
holsteinif you think that will help06:16
Jygenhow would i go about doing that06:17
holsteinJygen: a proprietary driver showed up?06:17
holsteinin 10.10?06:17
holsteinand installed?06:17
holsteinwhat driver?06:17
holsteinyou should be able to access that driver06:17
holsteinin lucid06:17
holsteinJygen: you have upgraded lucid?06:17
Jygenno06:17
Jygenwas gonna do that after i got my driver working06:18
holsteini would do it first06:18
holsteinmight trigger something needed06:18
Jygenalright06:19
holsteingotta do something :)06:19
holsteincant just sit there waiting on it06:19
holsteinthat card is newer than i though06:20
holsteini was thinking the old cards06:20
holsteini would say going forward would help06:20
holsteinmaybe just download ubuntu 11.0406:20
holsteinand install that :)06:20
Jygenlol theres 409 updates06:20
Jygenand i got nothing to do but sit and wait06:20
Jygenhmm06:20
Jygen11.0406:21
holsteini installed 10.0406:21
holsteinon my EEE100106:21
Jygencouldnt i just upgrade to 10.1006:21
holsteinand sound and wifi didnt work06:21
Jygenthen upgrade to 11.0406:21
holsteini updated the packages06:21
holsteinand everything worked :)06:21
holsteinJygen: upgrading takes 4ever06:21
holsteinand you have a fresh install right?06:21
holsteinyou dont have any data to preserve06:21
holsteinbest case on a dist upgrade, maybe a couple hours06:22
holsteininstalls take like 15 minutes now06:22
holsteinbut, do what you want06:22
Jygenid have to go burn a 11.04 disk06:22
holsteinyeah06:22
holsteindownload it06:22
holsteinand burn it06:22
holsteindiscs are cheap now06:23
Jygenhow big of a disk would i need06:23
holsteingo for it06:23
holsteina CD06:23
Jygeni have a few 700mb disks laying around06:23
holsteinjust a normal CD06:23
Jygenbut are those big enough06:23
holsteinshould be06:23
Jygenthat means i gotta go boot up in windows06:23
Jygenburn a disk06:23
Jygenand come back06:24
holsteindont have to06:24
holsteinyou can DL it right there06:24
holsteinand burn it :)06:24
Jygenthis computer cant burn cds06:24
JygenxD06:24
Jygenits a work in progress06:24
holsteinsounds like fun :)06:24
holsteinanyways, im out06:25
holsteinJygen: good luck06:25
Jygenalright06:25
Jygenthanks06:25
holsteinyou'll get it sorted out :)06:25
CannonFodda10.10 new wubi install says wireless is disabled. where do i enable it?06:28
CannonFoddai've installed drivers recommended by the additional drivers app. rebooted setup ssid etc but still no go06:32
seidosCannonFodda: what wireless chipset?06:37
CannonFoddaforgotten how to check. got a million pages open06:39
CannonFoddadriver is broadcom sta wireless driver06:39
CannonFoddaseidos: driver is broadcom sta wireless driver06:40
CannonFoddai'm not sure how to find exact details though06:42
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CannonFoddaseidos: sorry rebooted modem forgot it made the internet work ;)06:46
seidosCannonFodda: you might try searching google for your specific broadcom chipset + ubuntu + wubi06:48
seidosCannonFodda: i've never used wubi, but ndiswrapper may work with your chipset if there is no native linux driver06:48
CannonFoddais it just the driver that disables the hardware?06:49
CannonFoddait says the driver is activated???06:49
seidosCannonFodda: you need to make sure the right driver for your chipset is loaded06:50
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seidosCannonFodda: at least, that's what i would do06:50
CannonFoddaseidos: how can i interrogate the hardware to check what chipset it is?06:51
seidosCannonFodda: you can do lspci and sudo lshw06:52
CannonFoddaseidos: broadcom corp bcm431206:53
CannonFoddathis is the installed driver06:54
CannonFoddasorry06:54
CannonFoddachipset & driver match06:54
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seidosCannonFodda: sorry went afk07:19
CannonFoddaseidos: it appears that i have the correct wireles driver07:26
seidosCannonFodda: i am researching wubi.  can you try a live cd? or live usb?07:27
seidosCannonFodda: did you see this : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1614562 ?07:27
CannonFoddaseidos: thanks i'll check that out07:30
UbuntuN00bi don't suppose anyone here has Euphloria working via wine?07:35
MrChrisDruif!wine | UbuntuN00b07:54
ubot2UbuntuN00b: WINE is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux - More information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine - Search the !AppDB for application compatibility ratings - Join #winehq for application help - See !virtualizers for running Windows (or another OS) inside Ubuntu07:54
UbuntuN00byeah i been checking the forms07:55
MrChrisDruifAlright, well if anyone knows, it would be them :)07:56
UbuntuN00bkk07:56
* MrChrisDruif thought "Let's mention this to UbuntuN00b, because no-one seems to know about Euphloria with Wine"07:57
CannonFodda\join winehq07:58
UbuntuN00bi already asked in there07:58
CannonFodda\join #winehq07:58
UbuntuN00bno response07:58
MrChrisDruifCannonFodda: it's /join #winehq07:58
CannonFoddagot it:)07:58
MrChrisDruif:)07:58
* MrChrisDruif signing off....be back in about 30 mins07:59
CannonFoddashame everyone can see hoe noobish i am ;)07:59
UbuntuN00blol07:59
MartiiniI need to clone files from a partition to partition (preserving paths, permissions .. etc) - do I use copy, xcopy, rsync ??08:30
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duanedesignDaniel0108: ok i think you are set18:47
Daniel0108duanedesign: okay, thank you18:49
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duanedesigni do not see the +18:49
Daniel0108hmm18:49
Daniel0108:)18:49
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Daniel0108kick me, as a test18:50
Daniel0108I PMed ChanServ ;)18:50
Daniel0108duanedesign: ^18:50
duanedesignDaniel0108: one more step18:50
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duanedesign\o/18:52
UbuntuN00banybody try running quake 4 or doom3 on a netbook with an intel gma video card?20:04
bioterrorUbuntuN00b, why bother20:06
UbuntuN00bummm i guess i'm curious how much lighter weight ubuntu is20:07
UbuntuN00bas i know the spec requirements are lower for linux based systems20:07
bioterroryeah, but lightweight doesnt mean that your computers graphics card turns into something else that is not20:09
UbuntuN00bhehe this is true20:09
bioterror00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)20:10
bioterrorI have that, and I can say it's far from god's gift to humankind20:11
UbuntuN00blol20:11
UbuntuN00bjust curious as my netbook is way faster and has been able to play games that it would never had done under windows20:12
UbuntuN00bwanted to get an idea how far i could push it20:12
bioterrorUbuntuN00b, I bet you're pushing the limits. sure you can try. I bet you can only have positive suprises20:14
UbuntuN00bdo you know how ram sharing works between the video card and the system, considering linux uses the "swap" ?20:16
UbuntuN00bwas wondering if thats one of the other reasons the video is so much faster20:16
bioterrorit's the drivers that matters20:17
UbuntuN00bkk20:17
coz_UbuntuN00b,  memory sharing takes place,, rather is set in the bios for vide,, you should be able to  increase it  there  if you want faster morereliable video20:19
UbuntuN00bnah only some bios let you increase it or change it20:26
UbuntuN00bi have to run20:26
UbuntuN00beven when its shared20:26
AJH101hi guys - ow to restore my skype icon to the panel please?21:39
AJH101how21:39
MrChrisDruifWhen did it go away?21:39
AJH101i removed it (!) by accident - thought i was removing something else - i know, i know...21:40
MrChrisDruifHow did you remove it? Is Skype still installed?21:41
AJH101it is installed and when i click the icon on my desktop i am told a previous instasnce is still running21:41
MrChrisDruifGo to System monitor and find the process for Skype and try to start it again21:42
AJH101killed processes and restarted - icon now in panel21:44
AJH101thanks!21:44
poweri have got errror (process:401): GLib-WARNING **: getpwuid_r(): failed due to unknown user id (0)... when installing ubuntu 10.1021:46
LinXnutHi, I need help with xubuntu networking on a Dell Latitude D52021:52
bioterrorif it's same hw as D420, I wonder your problem21:53
LinXnutwhat do you mean?21:53
bioterrorI'm using Dell Latitude D420 atm. never had a problem21:55
bioterrorbut please, tell us your problem21:55
LinXnutok21:59
LinXnutI installed Xubuntu with no problem, when I went to plug in my ethernet cable, nothing happened....the connection manager did not even show anything21:59
LinXnutWireless was not working either....21:59
vivekimsit2287Hiii22:51
MrChrisDruifHai vivekimsit228722:51
vivekimsit2287Can anybody help me with the internet connections?22:52
vivekimsit2287ok..22:53
vivekimsit2287i want to know about the init levels22:53
vivekimsit2287they always confuse me22:53
vivekimsit2287anyone here...?22:54
MrChrisDruifinit levels?22:55
vivekimsit2287yup!22:56
edlikHelp! I just installed 10.10 next to xp as I have done before, but now I can not boot into either of them. I use 10.10 live cd and see both of the file systems.23:20
MrChrisDruifedlik: I'd like to help but I really should go to bed...sorry23:30
MrChrisDruifDid you see grub with booting?23:30
UbuntuN00bdoes ubuntu automatically check frives every boot that are formated ext2?23:30
edlikMrChrisDruif: no grub, it just hangs23:30
UbuntuN00berr drives23:30
UbuntuN00bnot frives23:30
MrChrisDruifSorry...GTG23:35

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