[00:03] hah why does the copy dialogue notification icon just have a mouse cursor on it [00:03] it used to be a file cabinet [00:28] the problem with this transmission patch is that it would restore a functionality that upstream doesn't want in this form. [00:29] I'm reluctant to restore functionality removed by upstream, as imo it's not our call what they want to do with their software. This particular issue has been discussed in the upstream tracker to death, there is a workaround, and the better proxy support will come soon.. [00:30] ohsix: I think I've lost your email in the pile of emails to reply to.. I can't find it right now, but I do remember reading it. [00:32] ohsix: there are more problems with the patch, we are 9 days before release and the patch would break user interface freeze, and there are no longer translations shipped in the package (I wonder if they are available in the language packs) [00:34] kklimonda: yea i tried to speak with them about what form is acceptable, they weren't having it [00:35] it's just "WE DONT WANT IT", caps usesd for emphasis and to cover the frankly obscene interaction i had with them [00:35] ohsix: that's because the decision how to bring proxy support back has been made. [00:36] the idea is to use system-wide settings [00:36] kklimonda: i've discussed that with them as well; torrent clients are in a unique position that ptoxy options will probably differ between the different types of connections they make; you really need private settings [00:36] the problem is this solution doesn't make everyone happy. [00:36] the problem was proxy support didn't suit everyone in the first place, so they removed it alltogether [00:37] they really seemed to invite public input but they aren'ty, they're moderating trac comments and the like [00:37] have you given good and legal reasons for not wanting to use system-wide proxy settings? afair at no point did anyone give a reason for private proxy settings that didn't involve vague words like "privacy" [00:37] kklimonda: i couldn't find the "to death" [00:37] yes, and i told them [00:38] i can provide the entire irc log if you wish [00:38] but the long short of it is i use it to scrape/announce trackers as if i were at home; while i roam with my laptop [00:38] (ssh -D to home ... etc) [00:39] i know about people saying they want privacy and thinking thats what they get, and about the protocol itself; frankly all of it [00:39] no need, I have the logs. [00:39] but really, what are the reasons anyone would want a privacy? [00:39] ok, i hope you'll see that i was perfectly frank in my intentions and polite to no end [00:40] no clue; i don't want or need for privacy or i wouldn't be using a torrent client [00:40] my very narrow case is having a socks proxy to home, so it looks like the scrapews/announces are from there [00:40] you can probably see that having global options when that's all i want is untenable [00:42] @pilot out === udevbot changed the topic of #ubuntu-devel to: Beta-2 released | Archive: final freeze | Development of Ubuntu (not support, not app development) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper -> maverick | #ubuntu-app-devel for application development on Ubuntu | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Patch Pilots: [00:42] really, from where I stand the issue is rather simple - some people want to use private trackers, and T devs knowing what is being shared there don't give much thought about it. [00:42] the discussion was far from exaustive, at least the things archived in trac tickets [00:43] so you mean they have made a moral judgement with regard to the usage, expecially concerned with proxy support? [00:44] I can't speak for them, but that's how I see the whole issue. [00:44] after all the software can be used to pirate things, just like the proxy support can be used in ways they don't like; but they don't remove the torrent downloading ability [00:44] it's getting very tough to type, on 3g at the moment [00:45] so is my use case unlike the concerns you've heard aired before? [00:45] I'd have to read your discussion with jordan to really comment on this particular case. [00:46] i could certainly use a voice other than my own, apparently, to get my concerns aired [00:47] but my main issue with reintroducing proxy support doesn't have anything to do with whether I agree with their judgment, or not. [00:47] btwe, notwithstanding; current "global" support doesn't work with socks, though jordan pointed out where it would need to be fixed AND he didn't disapprove my ttrac ticket like they've been doing with my comments on trac tickets [00:47] as I see it there are three problems: It's really late in the cycle to reintroduce this patch given that it adds the new interface, and requires translations. I don't know if those translations are still being shipped, or not. [00:48] We, as maintainers, shouldn't really make calls about whether some changes made by upstream are good or bad. [00:48] so i have to setup privoxy to forward http to socks (ssh -D) and only for certain hosts, since i don't want to send my web traffic through the same proxy [00:48] (can't think of the third point, as it's getting late) [00:49] i get that, and don't expect you to do much more than comment; at best speak for my concerns since nobody is listening [00:49] jordan did acknowledge that he has handled the removal of proxy badly. [00:50] i have to say it's the worst treatment i've _ever_ gotten trying to work with another project [00:50] my beef is that they invited public discussion but didn't really mean it [00:50] but it's his decision, him being the lead developer, how he'd like to handle it further. [00:50] them moderating trac most likely have nothing to do with moderating the discussion. [00:51] (re: censoring trac tickets and the treatment of people politely airing their concerns) [00:51] moderation has been enabled some time ago for other reasons [00:51] well if my comments show up; i'll let you know, they were quite specific and only on one bug [00:51] i can't impress upon you how rudely i was treated, that i'm being moderated on trac is not far fetched [00:52] as i said during that conversation, i'm being romantic about switching away from transmission; i should just do it if it no longer suits, but i'm having a very hard time doing so, it is the most usable client [00:54] it's really a shame they only have forums, trac, and irc; i couldn't find any public discussion outside of those trac tickets [00:55] i offered to completely own the feature and implement it in a shape and form they could agree with it [00:56] obsequiousness is a word roused in the mind about the situation [00:57] hmm, no - from what I have read jordan has given you hand in implementing socks support in the current code (which takes socks configuration from gnome proxy settings) [00:57] kklimonda: thanks for your time, like i said; maybe you can speak for the use-case, i've been dismissed and thrown into the memory hole [00:57] as i've explained that isn't useful to me [00:57] but you were pressing the issue of restoring the original private proxy support, and you were told over and over that it's not going back [00:57] privoxy is going to nee dto be in the middle even if socks support worked [00:58] and then the entire discussion went south. [00:58] i don't want all my web traffic to go through my home connection; it is heavily metered [00:58] only "original" insofar as not using the global settings, i don't care what the ui looked like; and was willing to own it [00:59] but it's not a matter of how gui looks like, they are just not interested in the private proxy support. [00:59] he would not be forthwright in telling me what was wrong with it; he was not being intellectually honest, it was his choice of course, but [00:59] i have to stop using the best torrent client available because of that [01:00] i hope you understand that i don't want that [01:00] i don't care if it's only available by edfiting settings.json directly; or anything [01:00] you cant get tsocks to pick one port to forward either; so you can't use it [01:01] torrent clients are in a unique situation, one where having different proxies for different types of connection the client makes is desirable [01:01] that can only be supported in the client itself; as it's the only one that makes any real discrimination [01:03] i couldn't get him to explain why it was there at all if it didn't please them now, either; he didn't have to of course, but i kept grasping at connections i could make and still treat him as a reasonable person [01:03] many features are being added because it seems to be a good idea at the time. [01:04] right [01:04] i'm not asking for exaustive proxy support like some people were either; just what was there [01:07] kklimonda: do you at least accept the premise that torrent clients are unique with the respect to how they connect? i can't think of anything that uses several connection types in one program that you'd desire proxying [01:08] it's an exceptional scenario for sure [01:10] what really blows my mind is the global proxy support still only uses it for scrapes/announces; which doesn't account for the most requested option to be added, the stuff that probably prompted its entire removal in ffrustration [01:11] i get your position as maintainer; but it'd be nice to have another person speak for my use case, since i'm appaarently not leet enough to do so [01:11] ohsix: how are torrent clients unique? [01:12] ohsix: I accept that some people don't want to have their torrent activity tracked to themselves. === sconklin is now known as sconklin-gone [01:12] lifeless: unique in the sense that it can be desirous to have different proxying options for only certain types of connections they make [01:12] kklimonda: no, that's exactly what i want [01:12] ohsix: like voip clients, lots of fps games and web browsers? [01:13] kklimonda: just like i ssh'd in here on my laptop, with my phone; to use the resources i have at home [01:14] i roam a lot and i want it to scrape/announce from my home connection [01:15] i know the implications, and i also know you can't tell transmission to use your local ip for scrapes like you can for some other clients, but i still desire to scrape/announce from home [01:15] and i still desire to use transmission D: [01:15] change trackers that you use - binding ratio to ip is a retarded idea. [01:16] there are no ratios involved my friend [01:16] what's the point then? [01:16] I'm really curious [01:16] i'm thinking you are implying some things in our conversation that just aren't the case [01:17] well, not really. I just know only of two reasons to use proxy for tracker communication. [01:17] i'll tel you privately if you really wish to know [01:17] neither of them really imply anything. [01:17] i told you my reason; you fit it into some preconcieved notion === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [01:18] i don't know of any trackers that use your ip to track ratios, either; but lets not digress [01:18] i get the sense that i'm sort of being dismissed again; since you assume i'm making the case for something you've seen made before, with respect to "privacy" or whatever [01:19] but at least you're being very honest about your concerns, and out in the open [01:19] I'm not dismissing you, I understand your concerns, and I'm aware of the entire issue. [01:20] but you misconstrue my intent to announce/scrape from my home computer as something else; you even mentioned ratios [01:20] as i say that though, i get how you might [01:20] but i'm literally only connectiong home, not to some 3rd party shell or "vpn" provider, and only so it scrapes from home [01:20] it's just that I have a feeling that we are going in circles. [01:21] All I'm saying is that the removal of feature is upstream developers' decision. [01:21] i got that [01:21] I've even tried to give you my point of view on why has they made this particular choice. [01:21] my use case is valid for me, and i will have to use another client, i do not want to; as it's the most usable client packaged in ubuntu; my dillema is that i'm being irrational about just switching [01:23] and i'm asking you to voice my concern, since i tried and failed [01:23] let me message you and tell you why i do it [01:23] sure === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates === asac_ is now known as asac [03:21] hm re: adding ubuntu-sponsors to a patch request, if it's within the guidelines for a possible change is it generally well considered and most likely added? [04:00] can someone unsub ubuntu-sponsors here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/transmission/+bug/765248 the bug is all sorts of garbage now; and i don't want to spam them with every reply [04:00] Ubuntu bug 765248 in transmission (Ubuntu) "patch to add proxy support from 2.12 to 2.13 (dup-of: 713604)" [Undecided,New] [04:00] Ubuntu bug 713604 in transmission (Ubuntu) ""Proxy" tab feature removed" [Wishlist,Won't fix] [04:04] Hrm either someone didn't beat me to it, or https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/transmission/+bug/765248 doesn't have ubuntu-sponsors subscribd. [04:04] Ubuntu bug 765248 in transmission (Ubuntu) "patch to add proxy support from 2.12 to 2.13 (dup-of: 713604)" [Undecided,New] [04:04] Ubuntu bug 713604 in transmission (Ubuntu) ""Proxy" tab feature removed" [Wishlist,Won't fix] [04:04] TheMuso: ditto ;) [04:05] s/didn't// [04:05] ok thanks whoever did it [04:06] and apologies to the messages that did get to them :[ [04:07] i'm just forehead slapping amazed, over and over again [04:21] hmm.. is there an easy way to extract the core dump out of an apport crash file? [04:32] SpamapS: Apport does have a way to unpack a crash file, apport-cli does anyway. [04:32] Manpage or -h should give you the info. [04:33] TheMuso: its just telling me I have out of date packages [04:33] --save should just save it anyway, damnit. :-P [04:33] SpamapS: apport-unpack is what you want. [04:33] I knew it was there somewhere. [04:34] yes thats what I wanted.. :) === _LibertyZero is now known as LibertyZero_ [06:46] someone here that helps on ubuntu 11.04? [06:48] hi ilea, you might want to join #ubuntu and ask over there... [06:48] specifically #ubuntu+1 [06:48] i want to talk with someone that is in the team that makes ubuntu 11.04 [06:49] not to chat [06:49] about what? [06:49] because there is a bug in ubuntu 11.04 and i need to talk with them [06:49] * SpamapS bets $5 on Unity [06:50] ilea: bugs can be filed on launchpad, security bugs are private by default if you want only developers to see it === yofel_ is now known as yofel [06:50] ilea: tho to add to ohsix's point, it is appropriate to ping this channel about important bugs that have been filed and ignored. [06:51] after i make a dsl conection (username, service, pasword) i try to conect and after a time it dosnt conect [06:52] the indicator is going up like a wi-fi conection [06:52] but nothing [06:52] that sounds like grist for #ubuntu+1, and if they figure something out; filing a bug [06:53] ilea: networkmanager keeps logs, you can see what it does when it brings the link up [06:53] grep NetworkManager /var/log/daemon.log [06:54] i cant fill a bug report because i cant send it with no internet conection and i am a litle new and dont now how to save it and send it from another distro [06:55] after conection fails to try and type that in terminal? [06:55] that's alright, the information that will help will be in that file; if you can save a text file with the output, people in #ubuntu+1 can help you find the real cause [06:55] grepnetworkmanager....? [06:55] yep [06:55] case and spacing is important [06:56] so i have to wryte that is terminal after conection fails and then save a text file with it and go on ubuntu+1? [06:57] yep, once they can read it they can try and help fix it [06:58] but how to send it on irc? i have to paste it here for them to read it [07:32] Good morning [07:42] howdy pitti [07:43] hey SpamapS, how are you? [07:51] pitti: good. Way too busy. :-P [07:54] good morning [07:55] Hi, I'm trying to learn packaging. I've got the source of grantlee, and I've got the newer source tarball from http://downloads.grantlee.org/ [07:55] (I'm the grantlee upsteam) [07:55] What's my next step? [07:57] hmm...what makes plymouth actually show the splash on shutdown? on bootup, it's the plymouth-splash job, but none of the conditions there will trigger on shutdown [07:57] oh, wait - just noticed the post-start script. bah [07:57] broder: shutdown is all sysv [07:57] steveire, unfortunately there are several ways of doing packaging and how to easiest update to a new upstream version depends on how it is currently packaged [07:58] steveire: there's a new tool thats somewhat experimental, called pkgme, that may help [07:58] steveire: what language is grantlee in? [07:58] SpamapS: i think i'm seeing a race between the plymouth upstart job and the casper sysv init script on shutdown. does that seem plausible to you? [07:58] C++/Qt [07:58] broder: yes its always a possibility [07:59] diwic: How do I find out whihc it is? [08:00] SpamapS: yeah, i think a race there is consistent with what i'm seeing. i guess this puts me in support of your plans to upstart-ify the shutdown for O :) [08:00] steveire, from looking at debian/rules we can see that it uses cdbs [08:00] broder: plymouth is start on stopped gdm [08:00] yeah, and gdm is stop on runlevel [016] [08:01] broder: if you need to make sure you run before plymouth 'start on starting plymouth' works [08:01] good morning [08:02] steveire, and from debian/source/format we can see that this is a quilt patch system [08:02] Ok [08:02] SpamapS: plymouth looks at the $RUNLEVEL variable it inherits from the runlevel event. will my job get that variable as well? [08:04] So do I need to set up pbuilder? [08:04] steveire, that is helpful for checking that your package does not need more dependencies than you actually state in the control file [08:05] steveire, or for compiling for another version than you're currently running [08:08] broder: only if plymouth exports it [08:08] steveire, I'm realizing I'm not very helpful to you because I'm not sure what the easiest way of updating a 3.0 quilt package is, sorry [08:08] broder: so, in short, no. You could fake it tho.. start on runlevel [016] and stopped gdm [08:09] well, if i wanted it to be strictly after plymouth, i'd do runlevel [016] and started plymouth, right? [08:10] or is that going to get in the way of plymouth starting at boot? start on clauses with "and" still trip me up... [08:12] diwic: Ok, I'll scan through some docs === abhinav-_ is now known as abhinav- === doko_ is now known as doko [08:18] which package should be used to file issues about the new scrollbar? [08:20] doko: overlay-scrollbar [08:20] thanks [08:21] pitti: hi, I noticed that the man pages of apport haven't been updated for the -w/--window option ? http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/natty/man1/apport-cli.1.html [08:22] abhinav-: ah, good catch === smb` is now known as smb [08:22] pitti: thanks :) . should I file a bug ? [08:23] abhinav-: sure, can't hurt [08:23] @pilot in === udevbot changed the topic of #ubuntu-devel to: Beta-2 released | Archive: final freeze | Development of Ubuntu (not support, not app development) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper -> maverick | #ubuntu-app-devel for application development on Ubuntu | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Patch Pilots: smb [08:23] you don't happen to want to add it yourself? :-) [08:23] pitti: I can do that, provided I will have to look at the man page syntax :D [08:25] it's not hard [08:27] abhinav-: syntax-wise you can just copy&paste [08:27] abhinav-: anyway, it's quick, I can also do it myself, I just wanted to know whether you'd like to try [08:27] pitti: yes , alright I will do it :) [08:27] great, thanks! [08:28] "If a package for the application does not exist in Debian, then the Debian revision is 0 (e.g., 2.4-0ubuntu1). " https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete [08:29] The grantlee package has 0.1.7-0ubuntu3 [08:29] Even though there is an upsteam debian version [08:31] dpm: so, Thursday is the final langpack translation deadline [08:32] dpm: so I think if we get a full export on the weekend, I'll be able to kick off a build on Monday, in time for the final release [08:33] pitti, that sounds good. Let me re-check the schedule for when we get the export. [08:33] dpm: I think we usually get one Friday, don't we? [08:33] I'll try to kick it off earlier than Monday, but no promises due to holidays [08:36] pitti, we get an export on Thursday 14:00 UTC, which we could use -> https://dev.launchpad.net/Translations/LanguagePackSchedule. I remember we changed it so it aligned better to the deadline. If that works for you, we could use that. If not, we can just ask the LP guys to set up a one-off export on Friday. [08:36] dpm: sounds fine [08:37] dpm: so yesterday's is already done, and I could request a full export now? [08:37] hm, I don't see one for Apr 19, though [08:41] pitti, it might take longer to be generated. But yeah, that's strange, especially because delta exports appear earlier in the day than full ones. But I think if you request it now it should be fine. AFAIK, the exports are simply on a cron job, and requesting the full export now would not interfere with the previous delta one, which was already triggered yesterday [08:46] dpm: right, as long as it's already runnning it should be okay [08:46] dpm: but I guess I'll just keep the tab open and request it tomorrow then [08:47] pitti, sure, sounds good [08:55] steveire: Debian has only 0.1.4 while Ubuntu has 0.1.7 (there is no 0.1.7 in Debian on which to base the Ubuntu delta -> revision 0) [08:56] geser: Ah, right === hunger_ is now known as hunger === thekorn_ is now known as thekorn [09:05] http://dpaste.com/533477/ How do I remove that patch from the package? [09:13] pitti: I have added this content in apport-cli.1 http://paste.ubuntu.com/595871/ [09:13] is it ok ? [09:14] abhinav-: looks fine [09:14] pitti: alright. thanks. pushing the branch === cking_ is now known as cking [09:26] $ change-override.py -S -c universe xulrunner-2.0 [09:26] chrisccoulson: ^ MUHAHA! [09:26] * pitti ^5s chrisccoulson [09:28] pitti, excellent, thanks :) [09:28] * chrisccoulson ^5s pitti [09:29] pitti - we'll probably kill it entirely next cycle ;) [09:31] pitti: https://code.launchpad.net/~er-abhinav-upadhyay/apport/bugfix-765600/+merge/58241 ,thanks for letting me do this :) [09:31] Ubuntu bug 58241 in emacs-goodies-el (Ubuntu) "m-x debian-bug doesn't point to ubuntu instead" [Undecided,Confirmed] [09:31] abhinav-: cool, thanks! will merge in a sec [09:38] smb: Hi, can you review this ? (https://code.launchpad.net/~er-abhinav-upadhyay/ubuntu/natty/tomboy/bugfix-757635/+merge/57282) or it has to come from upstream ? [09:38] Ubuntu bug 57282 in xorg-server (Ubuntu) "After upgrading dapper 22:nd of august, X doesn't start (dup-of: 57153)" [Undecided,New] [09:38] Ubuntu bug 57153 in xorg-server (Ubuntu Dapper) "xorg-server 1:1.0.2-0ubuntu10.3 breaks X: "no screens found"" [Critical,Fix released] === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [09:41] abhinav-, I am not sure but I have a look. hm, ubotu seems slightly confused... [09:41] ubottu tries to interpret merge request IDs as bug numbers [09:41] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [09:41] smb: thanks, :) [09:41] lo [09:41] lol [09:47] can anyone help me with Xauthority authentication failed error in ubuntu? [09:56] A few days ago I asked how to maintain the debian/ dir in my own source, and then I was suggested to keep it in a separate branch. But in the mean time, why can't the debian dir be part of the project? The one could use debian/changelog for the projects own changelog? Ideas? [09:59] speakman: some projects do, but at least I find it highly inconvenient [09:59] and apparently others as well, the current dpkg source format even allows stripping the upstream debian/ dir [09:59] so that it doesn't get in the way of the real debian/ dir from the distro [10:00] it's also inconvenient for upstream, as it will constantly be out of date, not match anythign real in debian/ubuntu, and over time you'll accumulate spec files, debian/ dirs, ebuild recipes, and what not [10:01] abhinav-, The change itself look reasonable. though for ubuntu merge the code change should be done by a patch in debian/patches, not directly [10:05] pitti: thanks alot for your comments! But what if I _am_ upstream and the deb maintainer as well? [10:06] speakman: as I said, some projects do that, so if you find it more convenient, there's nobody stopping you :) [10:07] IMHO packaging stuff doesn't belong into upstream tarballs/VCSes, but that might just be me [10:07] (main reason: it's the wrong level to have it, as upstream releases are not tied to a particular distro and release) [10:09] pitti: Fair enough! But since this will be just my own private project shared with only a few mates, I think I make the exception and manage the debian/ dir within it's source tree :) [10:10] speakman: sure :) you can always drop it again if the project becomes more popular and it gets in the way [10:11] smb: alright thanks for the review :) . But I think the bug is not Ubuntu specific, so it should be merged directly. perhaps we should wait for it to come from upstream ? === amitk_ is now known as amitk [10:11] pitti: you're absolutely right :) thanks alot! [10:12] abhinav-: it should still be a separate patch; directly modifying the upstream source is both hard to maintain and also hard to see what actually changed [10:13] By the way - is there some good documentation about managing a patchset within the debian/ dir? If I'm not the upstream owner, that is. :) [10:14] speakman: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/PatchSystems might be of some help [10:15] pitti: thanks! again! :D [10:16] pitti: that link explains it :) . so until the upstream developers don't review and merge the patch in their repo , the patch can be included in Ubuntu through debina/patches ? [10:16] abhinav-: rightg [10:17] alright, thanks. then I will do that :) === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [10:33] Why is this telling me there's no orig.tar when there is a orig.tar.gz? Shouldn't it find that? [10:33] http://dpaste.com/533496/ [10:37] Discovered I need to add a '.1' to the tarball file name kdepim_4.5.95.1.orig.tar.gz [10:37] But why? [10:41] steveire, what's the version number in debian/changelog? [10:42] Ah, 4:4.5.95.1-0ubuntu2 indeed [10:42] But what is the '4:' about? [10:45] anyone else seeing syndaemon spin on the CPU? [10:45] steveire, it's called an epoch. it bumps the version number up ahead of 3: and 2: and 1: and 0: [10:46] where no epoch at all is the same as 0: [10:46] usually you use an epoch when you mess up & want to go down a version number, permanently [10:46] e.g. you had a metapackage with version numbers like "100", and suddenly you want a real version of "4.4"# [10:48] cjwatson: I checked again with the beta 2 of the server install with a btrfs rootfs but I get the same error like I had with beta 1 [10:52] directhex: Ah, so probably related to the kdelibs5 stuff [10:53] steveire, i'm afraid i don't know the specific history, but yeah, moving from one package to another might be related [10:59] is anyone here that knows how to install ubuntu server beta2 on a rootfs.... I get some weird behaviour when using the installer..... or is it possible to bootstrap from an existing live cd. I need to put it on btrfs because of the snapshot capability it has.... [11:02] debfx: what are the relative merits of your patch compared to Sarvatt's in bug 753370 ? [11:02] Launchpad bug 753370 in mesa (Ubuntu) "No Desktop Effects in Kubuntu 11.04 Beta1" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/753370 [11:05] Riddell: he discovered a case where his patch doesn't work [11:10] debfx: groovy, uploading [11:11] Riddell: oh, tjaalton already uploaded it [11:11] oh but it's in the queue? [11:11] yes [11:11] in that case, accepting [11:15] hm... is it hard to setup my own apt repo? Like a local ppa with just a few packages? [11:22] speakman: no, not at all; you can just run apt-ftparchive and then add "deb file://... /" URL [11:23] see example section in the manpage [11:23] oh, cool! :) [11:23] just fired up man apt-ftparchive :) [11:37] speakman: I find reprepro to be a good fit for maintaining a custom repo. It had some issues with parallel writes in the past though, so you want to make sure only one reprepro is running at any given time. Think that was fixed upstream though === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [11:40] dholbach: how should I generate a patch for debian/patch of Tomboy ? I have patch both in debdiff and git format ? or should I start from scratch using quilt ? [11:42] abhinav-, best use edit-patch [11:42] then apply the patch from git, then hit Ctrl-D [11:42] dholbach: ah great :) [11:43] dholbach: and how to submit the patch ? normal merge proposal ? [11:43] yep [11:43] dholbach: great. thanks :) [12:09] TeTeT: great thanks! === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:49] dholbach: I did the steps as described in the packaging guide but something seems to be going wrong. After editing the dch , it asked to commit the changes, I said 'yes', but the new patch created in the debian/patches directory contains code from all the patches :-/ [12:50] abhinav-, I'm just about to get lunch - can you just ask in the channel and see if somebody else can help? [12:50] see you later [12:50] dholbach: alright. no problem [12:50] I will try again [12:51] abhinav-, #ubuntu-motu whenever you are stuck up in packaging issue [12:52] m4n1sh: oh thanks :) [13:19] ogra@panda:~$ ls /var/log/messages [13:19] ls: cannot access /var/log/messages: No such file or directory [13:19] hmm, is that normal ? [13:19] did we drop messages from rsyslog ? [13:20] ogra_, see the changelog [13:21] ah, pitti's fault ! [13:21] :) [13:25] ogra, actually it's my fault, I thought people running ARM *hint hint* would be happy for the extra disk space ;-) [13:25] haha [13:25] ogra_, everything is in syslog anyway, so... [13:25] its a great move, just need to get used to it [13:25] yeah [13:26] diwic, btw, i dont seem to get forward in any way with the panda sound stuff [13:26] ogra_, oh is it still bad? [13:27] diwic, yes, i tried TheMuso's test packages, added and removed patches but no go ... [13:27] in dmesg i end up with "asoc: no valid backend routes for PCM: SDP4430 Media" [13:28] in the UI i managed to see the pulse profiles once but thats gone again with the last test build, i'm not sure how i made it work actually [13:29] @pilot in === udevbot changed the topic of #ubuntu-devel to: Beta-2 released | Archive: final freeze | Development of Ubuntu (not support, not app development) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper -> maverick | #ubuntu-app-devel for application development on Ubuntu | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Patch Pilots: smb, jdstrand [13:30] i kept the packages that showed this around ... but reinstalling them doesnt get me back the items in the UI [13:32] ogra_, hmm, are you sure that's from dmesg? I'm trying to grep for that message in a kernel tree but find nothing [13:33] ogra@panda:~$ dmesg|grep -c "asoc: no valid backend routes for PCM: SDP4430 Media" [13:33] 96 [13:33] i get it every time i restart pulse manually or re-login [13:33] funnily it initializes the HDMI interface just fine [13:34] (though that was there even before UCM was added to alsa) [13:34] ogra_, is that a standard natty kernel? [13:35] yes, its a beta2 image i'm running [13:35] (with recent updates) [13:36] though there was a new upload that should have built now, i can upgrade to it ... but i dont think there were any asoc related changes in that revision [13:36] naah, just thought if there was some patchset that might have added the message [13:37] well, omap4 uses its own kernel tree [13:37] you are grepping in that one, right ? [13:37] ogra_, where's that tree? [13:38] * ogra_ looks on the kernel git server [13:38] i never use it, so i have to dig [13:39] * ogra_ wonders if http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git will ever load [13:39] ogra_, it does, be patient [13:39] heh [13:40] *twiddle* [13:41] desnt load but doesnt time out either [13:42] smb: fyi, I'm looking at bug #644632 [13:42] i see the gitweb header though [13:42] Launchpad bug 644632 in libnss-ldap (Ubuntu) "nssldap-update-ignoreusers needs to be configurable to ignore users" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/644632 [13:42] smoser: I think you pinged me about that ^ [13:42] ogra_, so how well are things functioning at the alsaucm layer? [13:43] diwic, not at all ? [13:43] jdstrand, ookaaayy (not exactly sure what to do with that information) I suppose it is somewhere on the pilot list [13:44] smb: it is in the pilot list. fyi only so we don't both jump on it :) [13:44] diwic, i honestly have no clue how to check it, apart from running alsaucm (which tells me its setting defaults) and seeing the pulse profiles in the UI i dont know where else to look [13:45] oh, it loaded ! [13:45] 7me hugs his browser "... and i thought you were dead !" [13:45] jdstrand, Ok. :) Well as I am mostly useless outside the kernel area (missing rights and such) I would be concentrating on kernel bugs with patches anyway, ;) Though I should also do a bit more in the other direction [13:47] diwic, http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-natty.git;a=tree;h=refs/heads/ti-omap4;hb=ti-omap4 [13:47] ogra_, thanks [13:47] or better http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-natty.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/ti-omap4 [13:48] ogra_: "messages is not the file you are looking for" [13:48] lol [13:52] james_w, ~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/natty/libgnome-keyring/natty seems stalled -- can it be poked? === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [14:01] mtaylor, poked [14:01] mterry I mean [14:13] james_w, thanks === bregma|away is now known as bregma [14:31] i've uploaded xorg-server 1.10.1, which has one single upstream commit since 1.10.1rc2, which reverts a patch that caused bug 757972 [14:31] Launchpad bug 757972 in xorg-server (Ubuntu) "Easystroke doesn't recognize button release" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/757972 [14:32] smb: if you are still reviewing proposals, please look at my new proposal, I have now moved the changes to be included in debian/patches (https://code.launchpad.net/~er-abhinav-upadhyay/ubuntu/natty/tomboy/patch-757635/+merge/58303) [14:33] abhinav-, yup will check [14:33] smb: thanks :) [14:40] smb, just to be clear, above, jdstrand had tab-complete failure. [14:40] his comments were intended to be to me [14:40] smoser: actually, no. he is a patch pilot and I didn't want to step on his toes, but I also wanted you to know I was looking at it :) [14:40] smoser, Ah ok. Well it actually could have been for me as well as we both doing piloting today [14:40] oh... i see. [14:40] funny [14:40] sorry [14:41] jdstrand, yes, i did ping you on that. only because you had worked the other bug in that area. [14:41] interestingly, I did tab complete looking for smb, but got smoser, which reminded me that I needed to point this out to smoser too :) [14:42] jdstrand, how is my suggestion incomplete? [14:42] abhinav-, I know I may get the pedantic award... but why is the patch numbered 21_... and then sorted after 30_.. in the series file? Sure it does not matter... it just looks a bit odd [14:43] smb: I had no idea what number to give, 21 seemed good :D [14:44] smoser: OKUSERS=`awk -v vname=nss_initgroups_okusers '$1 == vname { v=$2 }; END { print v }'` doesn't work on its own (now filename or cat) [14:44] s/now/no/ [14:44] ah. ok. i'll suggest adding '$CONF'. you're correct. [14:46] jdstrand, i was more interested in your feelings on whether or not it would be wise to carry this patch. [14:46] if upstream implements the feature, then we'll have a much more difficult time implementing the 'okusers' functionality on top of that. [14:49] hi all [14:49] smoser: well, we've been carrying this patch for ages [14:49] yes. and upstream is considering adding that function. [14:49]