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| dholbach | hey | 12:00 |
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| popey | ola | 12:00 |
| Technoviking | hello | 12:01 |
| dholbach | I pinged mako, mdke, pleia2 and sabdfl too, but I'm not sure who of them can show up today | 12:01 |
| popey | persia? | 12:02 |
| dholbach | has continued internet problems | 12:02 |
| popey | ok | 12:02 |
| dholbach | ok, let's start then | 12:02 |
| dholbach | #startmeeting | 12:02 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 06:02. The chair is dholbach. | 12:02 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 12:02 |
| dholbach | [topic] state of sounder@ | 12:03 |
| MootBot | New Topic: state of sounder@ | 12:03 |
| lifeless | ok, not the asiapac meeting ;) | 12:03 |
| popey | ok, this is mine | 12:03 |
| popey | I sent a proposal to the sounder list to have it shutdown and asked for feedback | 12:03 |
| popey | feedback can be seen here:- http://paste.ubuntu.com/595921/ | 12:03 |
| popey | along with a short prologue | 12:03 |
| dholbach | thanks for driving this, popey | 12:04 |
| popey | now, there were a couple of comments on the list that 11 UTC is inconvenient for some list members to attend this meeting | 12:04 |
| popey | so I didn't put a time on the wiki, so we could potentially discuss at both so more can attend | 12:05 |
| dholbach | I think that's reasonable | 12:05 |
| popey | The overall feeling seems to be "don't shut it down" | 12:05 |
| dholbach | [agreed] leave sounder@ item on the agenda for next CC meeting (3rd May) | 12:05 |
| MootBot | AGREED received: leave sounder@ item on the agenda for next CC meeting (3rd May) | 12:05 |
| dholbach | hello sabdfl | 12:05 |
| popey | hi sabdfl | 12:05 |
| popey | http://paste.ubuntu.com/595921/ for sabdfl | 12:05 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://paste.ubuntu.com/595921/ for sabdfl | 12:05 |
| sabdfl | howdy | 12:05 |
| popey | Samuel did some analysis of the most recent ~20 posts to the list to see if my assertion that people seem to use it for arguing the moral toss held up | 12:06 |
| sabdfl | the moral toss? | 12:06 |
| popey | most threads seem civil, but a few push the boundaries quite a bit (religion/politics mostly) | 12:06 |
| dholbach | if you want to do an analysis I doubt that the last ~20 posts are indicative | 12:07 |
| popey | sorry, discussing stuff which seems to mostly result from personal opinion | 12:07 |
| dholbach | it'd be much more interesting to revisit the lists early beginnings and see how it evolved from there | 12:07 |
| popey | not really related to ubuntu | 12:07 |
| popey | well, it's certainly had a bit of a rollercoaster | 12:07 |
| popey | periods of intensive developer discussion, quiet periods in 2008, then more active over the last year or so | 12:08 |
| popey | The list has 396 subscribers as of today. | 12:09 |
| popey | of those I think about 10 are set to nomail | 12:09 |
| popey | and according to Samuels analysis, about 20-25 people actively contribute to the list. | 12:09 |
| sabdfl | i don't buy the argument that folk who have ubuntu in *common* also need a place to discuss things they almost certainly *don't*, like politics and religion | 12:10 |
| dholbach | unfortunately have we heard a number of complaints about the tone and long periods of irrelevance of the content of the list | 12:10 |
| sabdfl | both are important human subjects, but i don't see that the Ubuntu project can or should provide an effective forum | 12:10 |
| sabdfl | i don't buy the safety valve argument | 12:10 |
| dholbach | I unsubscribed some months ago when the quality of discussions was dwindling | 12:10 |
| sabdfl | i think this idea leads to a pressure cooker instead, where folks feel that Ubuntu has to take care of all aspects of their lives, and they end up becoming caged animals | 12:11 |
| popey | very few ubuntu developers actually take part in conversations there dholbach | 12:11 |
| sabdfl | i think it would be perfectly acceptable to say "look, the ubuntu project is about delivering high quality free software to the world on a particular set of terms, we'll keep all lists / forums / channels / sites focused on that, and trust people find other outlets for their other interests" | 12:12 |
| sabdfl | in fact, i think that's healthier | 12:12 |
| sabdfl | we are what we are. we are not what we are not. | 12:12 |
| sabdfl | we are not, for example, a proxy for "everything some people do online" | 12:12 |
| sabdfl | even if we are most of what *I* do online :-) | 12:12 |
| dholbach | I think it's interesting to note that very few people seem to use the list in the way it was created back then - and it seems like there's nobody interested in bringing it back to that state, so no "governance" of the list | 12:14 |
| sabdfl | agreed | 12:14 |
| jussi | Just one thing that I mentioned to popey, if you do decide to close it, give a few suggestions of places people might go to replace it, rather than have people join other devolment or user lists to sound off. | 12:15 |
| sabdfl | are there any CC who feel the case for keeping the list warrants discussion | 12:15 |
| Technoviking | I was disappointed about the amount of complaining about the list being shutdown, but no solutions given by the group | 12:15 |
| sabdfl | jussi: good point, but i think a number of those places should be "not in Ubuntu", i.e., politics and religion have their own forums | 12:15 |
| sabdfl | Technoviking: this is normal, it's a backwater | 12:15 |
| jussi | sabdfl: exactly :) | 12:16 |
| dholbach | Technoviking, and it seems like nobody's here who participates in the discussions on the list | 12:16 |
| popey | I try to participate but back off when it gets all unsavoury. | 12:16 |
| dholbach | jussi, how about "your friends in a bar"? | 12:16 |
| sabdfl | dholbach: friends don't let friends drink and argue politics :-) | 12:16 |
| dholbach | I personally don't think Ubuntu needs a place to discuss "everything and nothing" :) | 12:16 |
| popey | e.g. fixing peoples misconceptions of stuff | 12:16 |
| dholbach | sabdfl, yes, good friends :) | 12:16 |
| sabdfl | ok. we raise the quality of the project by being definitive about what doesn't fit | 12:17 |
| Daviey | If the list was producing good debate, 'sounding new ideas' then it has a place. I can't think of a single change that the discussion on the list has achieved. | 12:17 |
| sabdfl | no responses yet to "are there any CC who feel the case for keeping the list warrants discussion", can we poll the CC on a motion to shut it down? | 12:17 |
| sabdfl | i don't think btw we're shutting it down in anger, it's served its purpose, it's just time to prune | 12:18 |
| popey | note that some of the CC is not available right now of course | 12:18 |
| sabdfl | we have no effective governance for it, nor real reason to create that, nor volunteers | 12:18 |
| popey | and this time may be difficult for members of the list to be here | 12:18 |
| dholbach | sabdfl, I agree with that sentiment - maybe we should just give folks a chance to bring ideas to the next CC meeting (some said the timing of the meeting was bad for them)? | 12:19 |
| popey | so the members of the list will feel unrepresented | 12:19 |
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| sabdfl | we can reopen the question if CC members who were not able to attend have objections | 12:19 |
| popey | sabdfl: before you arrived I suggested we discuss this at 11 and 21 meeting to cover both ends of the day | 12:19 |
| sabdfl | popey: i jsut got off a call with a person in New Zealand, so we cover EST -> New Zealand, we're good | 12:19 |
| popey | ok. | 12:19 |
| sabdfl | our community is too big now to agonize over this | 12:19 |
| sabdfl | we're showing signs of paralysis through scale | 12:20 |
| Technoviking | i think if the sounder folks felt strongly about it, surely one person out of 25 could attend irc neeting at an inconvient time | 12:20 |
| sabdfl | i think we can reasonably make a decision on this which could get challenged and reviewed by email | 12:20 |
| sabdfl | exactly | 12:20 |
| sabdfl | i'm worried we're falling into the trap of over-consultation on an increasingly-complex landscape, which will paralyze us | 12:20 |
| dholbach | ok, I agree - on second thought, the call for ideas was sent out a few days ago, so there actually was enough time | 12:21 |
| sabdfl | more than | 12:21 |
| sabdfl | i think popey has lead the call for a change admirably openly and fairly | 12:21 |
| sabdfl | (thank you and well done popey) | 12:21 |
| popey | ta | 12:21 |
| jussi | seems correct, peoples thoughts could easily have gone to the email list if they really wanted a say. | 12:21 |
| Technoviking | and he has taken an unfair beating for it | 12:21 |
| sabdfl | so, can we poll CC on a motion to prune the list and (per Jussi) direct conversations elsewhere in Ubuntu, as well as being clear that Ubuntu is *not* going to provide a forum for "anything goes" and "deliberately offtopic" mailing list traffic? | 12:22 |
| Technoviking | Ubuntu should build communities not private playgrounds | 12:22 |
| sabdfl | agreed, good meme that | 12:23 |
| dholbach | hum, let me check how to drive the poll irc thing | 12:23 |
| sabdfl | this is a place to get stuff done, not make room for idle hands | 12:23 |
| dholbach | [VOTE] Shall sounder@lists.ubuntu.com be pruned and (per Jussi) direct conversations elsewhere in Ubuntu, as well as being clear that Ubuntu is *not* going to provide a forum for "anything goes" and "deliberately offtopic" mailing list traffic? | 12:24 |
| MootBot | Please vote on: Shall sounder@lists.ubuntu.com be pruned and (per Jussi) direct conversations elsewhere in Ubuntu, as well as being clear that Ubuntu is *not* going to provide a forum for "anything goes" and "deliberately offtopic" mailing list traffic?. | 12:24 |
| MootBot | Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot | 12:24 |
| MootBot | E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting | 12:24 |
| dholbach | hum... that's not very clear now, is it? | 12:25 |
| sabdfl | +1 | 12:26 |
| MootBot | +1 received from sabdfl. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1 | 12:26 |
| MootBot | Private +1 vote received. 2 for, 0 against, 0 have abstained. Count is now 2 | 12:26 |
| dholbach | shall we make that a poll about just sounder? and then discuss "being clear about 'anything goes' discussions" separately? | 12:26 |
| dholbach | I mean I'm in favour of both :) | 12:27 |
| dholbach | +1 | 12:27 |
| MootBot | +1 received from dholbach. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3 | 12:27 |
| popey | +1 | 12:27 |
| MootBot | +1 received from popey. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4 | 12:27 |
| Technoviking | +1 | 12:27 |
| MootBot | +1 received from Technoviking. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5 | 12:27 |
| dholbach | #endvote | 12:27 |
| dholbach | [endvote] | 12:27 |
| MootBot | Final result is 5 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 5 | 12:27 |
| popey | how did we get 5 when there's only 4 of us here? | 12:27 |
| dholbach | oh, there was a private vote? | 12:27 |
| czajkowski | my bad | 12:27 |
| Daviey | someone msg'd the bot. | 12:28 |
| czajkowski | I voted | 12:28 |
| dholbach | haha | 12:28 |
| dholbach | ok | 12:28 |
| czajkowski | fogot it was just CC | 12:28 |
| dholbach | for the record: it's 4 out of 4 :) | 12:28 |
| Technoviking | heh | 12:28 |
| czajkowski | and you didnt mute channel like we do for LC to stop that happening | 12:28 |
| czajkowski | sorry | 12:28 |
| dholbach | I'll take an action item to draft something | 12:28 |
| czajkowski | sorry dholbach/cc | 12:28 |
| popey | muting wouldnt have fixed you privately messaging the bot | 12:28 |
| dholbach | [action] dholbach to draft an announcement | 12:28 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: dholbach to draft an announcement | 12:28 |
| dholbach | I think that concludes the discussion of this item - popey: anything more? | 12:28 |
| popey | nope | 12:28 |
| dholbach | [topic] Any other business? | 12:28 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Any other business? | 12:29 |
| dholbach | Who wants to chair next time? Who wants to update the team report? | 12:29 |
| sabdfl | i can write up this decision for the team report, with pleasure | 12:29 |
| sabdfl | url? | 12:29 |
| Technoviking | I will chair the next meeting | 12:29 |
| dholbach | sabdfl, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncil/TeamReports/11/April | 12:30 |
| dholbach | thanks sabdfl, thanks Technoviking | 12:30 |
| dholbach | Technoviking, popey, sabdfl: what did you think about the idea to use a google doc to track all our open discussion items? | 12:30 |
| Technoviking | np | 12:30 |
| popey | happy to use anything really | 12:30 |
| sabdfl | dholbach: sounds fine by me | 12:30 |
| popey | I dont mind what technology is used, so long as we all buy into it | 12:30 |
| dholbach | yes, it's high time :) | 12:31 |
| dholbach | ok | 12:31 |
| Technoviking | fine here, or etherpad if one gets setup | 12:31 |
| dholbach | that's all from me :) | 12:31 |
| dholbach | thanks everyone | 12:31 |
| dholbach | #endmeeting | 12:31 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 06:31. | 12:31 |
| sabdfl | cheers all | 12:32 |
| Technoviking | thanks | 12:32 |
| popey | thanks! | 12:32 |
| jussi | :) | 12:32 |
| sabdfl | thanks popey | 12:34 |
| sabdfl | one thing - jussi - i suspect we have other offtopic / ungoverned fora in the IRC world? | 12:35 |
| sabdfl | we may need to consider applying a similar pruning principle | 12:35 |
| sabdfl | previously, i was ok with "red light districts" | 12:35 |
| sabdfl | i'm still ok with them, just not under ubuntu-* | 12:35 |
| popey | we have -offtopic | 12:35 |
| sabdfl | if it's governed, that may be ok | 12:36 |
| popey | but we still have stuff that's "offtopic for offtopic" | 12:36 |
| popey | !o4o | 12:36 |
| ubottu | Some topics are controversial and often end in negativity. Take care on subjects like war, race, religion, politics, gender, sexuality, drugs, potentially illegal activities and suicide. The topics are not banned; stating your position is ok, but trolling, baiting, hostility or repetition are not. If you are asked to stop, do so politely. Disputes to !appeals, please adhere to !freenode Policy and the !CodeOfConduct | 12:36 |
| jussi | sabdfl: -offtopic is fairly ok though | 12:36 |
| sabdfl | ok | 12:36 |
| popey | People on sounder seem to feel it's "no holds barred, anything goes" | 12:36 |
| jussi | Its the other non namespace channel that has our name that worries me. | 12:36 |
| sabdfl | i think the framework of "offtopic and ungoverned" is reasonable as a basis for drawing the line | 12:36 |
| sabdfl | that's what i wrote in the TeamReport | 12:36 |
| sabdfl | other non-namespace channel? | 12:36 |
| jussi | sabdfl: on freenode, we dont control ##channels. | 12:37 |
| jussi | Im fairly sure you remember the situation with ##club-ubuntu. | 12:37 |
| Technoviking | we also have The Community Cafe on the forums | 12:37 |
| mc44 | Ironically, Offtopic for offtopic was much stronger before the community council interfered | 12:38 |
| mc44 | The topics were banned | 12:38 |
| Technoviking | but we keep it fairly clean off trollish topics | 12:38 |
| jussi | However, within the namespace we have kept it fairly nice. | 12:40 |
| sabdfl | right | 12:41 |
| sabdfl | ok | 12:41 |
| sabdfl | so far, so good | 12:41 |
| sabdfl | cheers all! | 12:41 |
| sladen | meh, missed it | 14:18 |
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| kirkland | Daviey: smoser: RoAkSoAx: jamespage: zul: hallyn: robbiew: SpamapS: could i swap meeting scribe with one of you guys today? I'm sprinting in Montreal and kind of tied up at the moment | 16:51 |
| smoser | kirkland, ok. if no one else. | 16:56 |
| kirkland | smoser: thanks much | 16:56 |
| SpamapS | smoser: ^5, you have earned yourself 1 turkish beer sir. :) | 16:59 |
| * SpamapS always appreciate it when somebody other than him chairs. ;) | 16:59 | |
| * smb wonders whether anybody wants turkish beer | 17:00 | |
| dholbach | . o O { ignorant! } | 17:01 |
| smoser | ok. lets start meeting. let me find links. | 17:02 |
| smoser | #startmeeting | 17:02 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 11:02. The chair is smoser. | 17:02 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 17:02 |
| RoAkSoAx | o/ | 17:02 |
| smb | \o | 17:02 |
| zul | hi | 17:02 |
| Daviey | o/ | 17:02 |
| Daviey | Who do we have so far? | 17:03 |
| jamespage | o/ | 17:03 |
| SpamapS | \o/ | 17:03 |
| smoser | o./ | 17:03 |
| zul | SpamapS: turkish beer any good? | 17:03 |
| hallyn | \o | 17:03 |
| SpamapS | zul: certainly not as good as turkish delight | 17:03 |
| zul | O$ | 17:03 |
| Daviey | smoser, kicking off? | 17:04 |
| smoser | [TOPIC] Review ACTION points from previous meeting | 17:04 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Review ACTION points from previous meeting | 17:04 |
| smoser | no action points from previous meeting apparently (per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/Server/20110412) | 17:04 |
| smoser | [TOPIC] Natty Development | 17:05 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Natty Development | 17:05 |
| Daviey | Hello o/ | 17:05 |
| Daviey | We now have beta 2 firmly out of the door, and the incomming bug count is promising low. The burn down for final work items is looking on target: | 17:05 |
| Daviey | http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-server.html | 17:05 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-server.html | 17:05 |
| Daviey | The bugs i can currently tracking for Natty release are: | 17:05 |
| Daviey | == Bugs for the server team == | 17:05 |
| Daviey | [655533] [likewise-open] [master] package likewise-open 5.4.0.42111-2ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1 (http://pad.lv/655533) | 17:05 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 655533 in likewise-open (Ubuntu Natty) "[master] package likewise-open 5.4.0.42111-2ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [High,Confirmed] | 17:06 |
| Daviey | * Bug Status: Confirmed | 17:06 |
| Daviey | * Not assigned to anyone :( | 17:06 |
| Daviey | * Last updated: 2011-04-18 | 17:06 |
| Daviey | [726769] [eucalyptus] package eucalyptus-common 2.0.1 bzr1255-0ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1 (http://pad.lv/726769) | 17:06 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 726769 in eucalyptus (Ubuntu Natty) "package eucalyptus-common 2.0.1 bzr1255-0ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [High,Confirmed] | 17:06 |
| Daviey | * Bug Status: Confirmed | 17:06 |
| Daviey | * Assigned to: Dave Walker | 17:06 |
| Daviey | * Last updated: 2011-04-18 | 17:06 |
| Daviey | [745946] [cloud-init] cloud-final job did not run in ec2-automated-tests (http://pad.lv/745946) | 17:06 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 745946 in cloud-init (Ubuntu) "cloud-final job did not run in ec2-automated-tests" [Medium,Confirmed] | 17:06 |
| Daviey | * Bug Status: Confirmed | 17:06 |
| Daviey | * Not assigned to anyone :( | 17:06 |
| hallyn | isn't that one thought to be fixed? | 17:06 |
| Daviey | * Last updated: 2011-04-18 | 17:06 |
| Daviey | [759943] [mod-wsgi] mod_wsgi.so-3.2 gives errors (http://pad.lv/759943) | 17:06 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 759943 in mod-wsgi (Ubuntu) "mod_wsgi.so-3.2 gives errors" [Medium,In progress] | 17:06 |
| Daviey | * Bug Status: In Progress | 17:06 |
| Daviey | * Assigned to: James Page | 17:06 |
| Daviey | * Last updated: 2011-04-19 | 17:06 |
| Daviey | 17:06 | |
| hallyn | sorry, lag | 17:06 |
| Daviey | == Bugs being worked on in other areas == | 17:06 |
| Daviey | [728088] [debian-installer] iscsi root with or without auth fails to boot (http://pad.lv/728088) | 17:06 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 728088 in debian-installer (Ubuntu Natty) "iscsi root with or without auth fails to boot" [High,Confirmed] | 17:06 |
| Daviey | * Bug Status: Confirmed | 17:06 |
| Daviey | * Assigned to: Colin Watson | 17:06 |
| Daviey | * Last updated: 2011-04-14 | 17:06 |
| Daviey | [747090] [linux] wrong return address sometimes pushed for INT in kvm (not qemu) (http://pad.lv/747090) | 17:06 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 747090 in Ubuntu Translations "wrong return address sometimes pushed for INT in kvm (not qemu)" [Low,Triaged] | 17:06 |
| Daviey | * Bug Status: Fix Committed | 17:06 |
| Daviey | * Assigned to: Andy Whitcroft | 17:06 |
| Daviey | * Last updated: 2011-04-18 | 17:06 |
| Daviey | [566818] [plymouth] Cryptsetup passphrase prompt during boot: every character typed repeats the prompt (http://pad.lv/566818) | 17:06 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 566818 in plymouth (Ubuntu Natty) "Cryptsetup passphrase prompt during boot: every character typed repeats the prompt" [Medium,Confirmed] | 17:07 |
| Daviey | * Bug Status: Confirmed | 17:07 |
| Daviey | * Assigned to: Surbhi Palande | 17:07 |
| Daviey | * Last updated: 2011-04-18 | 17:07 |
| smoser | Daviey, pastebin ? | 17:07 |
| Daviey | [580319] [upstart] dhcp3-server launches before upstart brings all interface, thus failing to start (http://pad.lv/580319) | 17:07 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 580319 in upstart (Ubuntu Natty) "dhcp3-server launches before upstart brings all interface, thus failing to start" [Medium,Triaged] | 17:07 |
| smoser | seriously | 17:07 |
| Daviey | * Bug Status: Triaged | 17:07 |
| Daviey | * Assigned to: James Hunt | 17:07 |
| Daviey | * Last updated: 2011-04-18 | 17:07 |
| Daviey | [759545] [g | 17:07 |
| Daviey | smoser, regarding bug [745946] | 17:07 |
| smoser | someone kick that guy | 17:07 |
| zul | arrrrgh pastebin | 17:07 |
| Daviey | smoser, regarding bug 745946... jamespage mentioned that he had not seen it in b2 round of testing... Do you think it's a bug with the AWS infrastructure rather than our platform? | 17:07 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 745946 in cloud-init (Ubuntu) "cloud-final job did not run in ec2-automated-tests" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/745946 | 17:07 |
| smoser | i do not think it is aws infrastructure. | 17:08 |
| Daviey | smoser, pastebin isn't ideal for historical retention :) | 17:08 |
| smoser | and somehow a link to https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-server/2011-April/005606.html | 17:08 |
| smoser | would have also been unsatisfactory ? | 17:08 |
| Daviey | smoser, that is not up to date. | 17:08 |
| smoser | well... anyway. | 17:08 |
| zul | Daviey: you were the last one to comment about the likewise-open bug (last time i checked )are you going to upload it? | 17:08 |
| Daviey | zul, still investigating that one. | 17:09 |
| smoser | regarding that bug. i marked bug 760725 as a duplicate of it. | 17:09 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 760725 in cloud-init (Ubuntu) "Cloud-init failed to complete actions (dup-of: 745946)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/760725 | 17:09 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 745946 in cloud-init (Ubuntu) "cloud-final job did not run in ec2-automated-tests" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/745946 | 17:09 |
| SpamapS | I took a look at the likewise open situation as well and its very unclear what the actual issue is. | 17:09 |
| smoser | i think that we should review this list | 17:09 |
| Daviey | smoser, oh? | 17:09 |
| smoser | but i think that multiple concurrent conversations will not fair well | 17:10 |
| Daviey | smoser, Essentially, the ones on the list are pretty currently updated. | 17:11 |
| smoser | i suspect that the root cause of the cloud-init bug above is a race condition on boot. | 17:11 |
| Daviey | smoser, Okay, do you have an idea how to reproduce it? | 17:11 |
| smoser | it could also be a timeout/failure of a network failure | 17:11 |
| Daviey | smoser, I am kinda confused why we didn't see it with b2 tests? | 17:12 |
| smoser | Daviey, i do not. that does not, unfortunately, mean it does not exist. | 17:12 |
| smoser | Daviey, we did see it. | 17:12 |
| smoser | we just opened a new bug. | 17:12 |
| jamespage | Daviey: smoser and I discussed earlier - we saw something v similar in b2 testing - bug 760725 | 17:12 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 760725 in cloud-init (Ubuntu) "Cloud-init failed to complete actions (dup-of: 745946)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/760725 | 17:12 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 745946 in cloud-init (Ubuntu) "cloud-final job did not run in ec2-automated-tests" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/745946 | 17:12 |
| smoser | read bug 745946, which i duped to it. | 17:12 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 745946 in cloud-init (Ubuntu) "cloud-final job did not run in ec2-automated-tests" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/745946 | 17:12 |
| Daviey | jamespage, ah! | 17:12 |
| Daviey | Okay, i suggest we take that bug discussion out of band after the meeting. | 17:13 |
| jamespage | they looked a little different but we believe they are the same thing. | 17:13 |
| jamespage | Daviey: ack | 17:13 |
| Daviey | Are there any other bugs which we should consider for natty release? | 17:13 |
| Daviey | anyone? | 17:13 |
| smoser | hold on... | 17:13 |
| * Daviey holds. | 17:14 | |
| SpamapS | Daviey: there's some new upstart bugs that have come to light | 17:14 |
| smoser | bug 751057 | 17:14 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 751057 in grub2 (Ubuntu) "grub-pc upgrade on Amazon EC2: The GRUB boot loader was previously installed to a disk that is no longer present, or whose unique identifier has changed for some reason." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/751057 | 17:14 |
| SpamapS | Daviey: they're not on our plate, but they do need to get fixed. I've just now pinged skaet with them | 17:14 |
| Daviey | SpamapS, have the numbers handy? | 17:14 |
| smoser | shoudl probably be looked at... and i wouldn't mind one other fix to that area of things. | 17:14 |
| SpamapS | yeeeeess.... bug 728531 and bug 766206 | 17:15 |
| smoser | then, there was the grub upgrade prompt from maverick to natty | 17:15 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 728531 in upstart (Ubuntu Natty) "chroot support is not reliable" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/728531 | 17:15 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 766206 in upstart (Ubuntu Natty) "user session support allows non-priv users to gain root privileges" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/766206 | 17:15 |
| Daviey | smoser, Regarding 751057 - have you spoken to anyone in foundations about it? | 17:16 |
| smoser | Daviey, no. i have to look at it more. | 17:17 |
| Daviey | smoser, okay, thanks.. and thanks SpamapS for them bugs... Now tracking them.. Any others from anyone else? | 17:17 |
| smoser | bug 759545 is the other one | 17:18 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 759545 in grub2 (Ubuntu Natty) "user prompted to update unmodified grub configuration during Ubuntu server upgrade" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/759545 | 17:18 |
| smoser | ah. but i see stgraber assigned that to himself 1 hour ago | 17:18 |
| Daviey | smoser, that is on my list, no? | 17:18 |
| smoser | here i have to admit to tuning out during the flood | 17:19 |
| smoser | :) | 17:19 |
| Daviey | Okay, i am done... If anyone seens any other bugs that are suitable for natty release - please let me know.. kkthnxbye. | 17:19 |
| smoser | [TOPIC] Ubuntu Server Team Events | 17:20 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Ubuntu Server Team Events | 17:20 |
| zul | gold prospecting in california next week | 17:20 |
| smoser | zul and smoser will be at openstack summit next week (https://launchpad.net/sprints/ods-d) | 17:21 |
| jamespage | Puppetcamp Europe in Amsterdam next Thur/Fri for me. | 17:21 |
| Daviey | Not strictly server related, but i will be at the London (UK) Natty release party on the 28th - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/2011-April/029427.html | 17:21 |
| Daviey | (others welcome) | 17:22 |
| smoser | [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh) | 17:23 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh) | 17:23 |
| hggdh | no news from me, except Euca now works | 17:24 |
| smoser | woot! | 17:24 |
| hggdh | And I do not know why/how :-( | 17:24 |
| ttx | hggdh: cool :) | 17:24 |
| smoser | and you can even upload kernels! | 17:24 |
| hggdh | LOL | 17:24 |
| smoser | anything else ? | 17:25 |
| hggdh | .. | 17:25 |
| Daviey | hggdh, because i sprinkled it with some fairy dust. | 17:25 |
| ttx | hggdh: everything is in the dance. As soon as you find it... | 17:25 |
| hggdh | Daviey: ah, the brit's magic | 17:25 |
| * smoser practices his famed eucadance | 17:25 | |
| Daviey | no, it was from the clouds. | 17:25 |
| zul | hggdh: has your brain explodeded yet? | 17:25 |
| Daviey | hggdh, Are there other areas that are of concern to you? | 17:26 |
| hggdh | zul: no, it melted :-) | 17:26 |
| Daviey | Did you have a chance to test other aspects? | 17:26 |
| hggdh | Daviey: right now no, fortunately | 17:26 |
| Daviey | hggdh, \o/ | 17:26 |
| hggdh | I did, but could not reproduce | 17:26 |
| hggdh | still trying to break it ;-) | 17:26 |
| Daviey | hggdh / jamespage: Is there any news on jenkins email reports of failure? | 17:26 |
| jamespage | Daviey: kinda got side-tracked on that one | 17:27 |
| jamespage | so no progress | 17:27 |
| jamespage | (unless hggdh is going to surprise me :-)) | 17:27 |
| Daviey | jamespage, ok. is it tricky? | 17:27 |
| hggdh | no. I would rather leave it for discussion during UDS, I am afraid we are starting to get patches here and there, with no consolidated view | 17:27 |
| Daviey | hggdh, I just want to get a full inbox when a test case fails :) | 17:27 |
| hggdh | oh, I can provide you with a full inbox easily | 17:28 |
| Daviey | \o/ | 17:28 |
| smoser | [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb) | 17:28 |
| Daviey | hggdh, can that be an action? :) | 17:28 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb) | 17:28 |
| smb | SMBunny proudly presents: | 17:28 |
| smb | * http://people.canonical.com/~smb/lucid-ec2-ng | 17:28 |
| smb | * git://kernel.ubuntu.com/smb/ubuntu-lucid.git ec2-next | 17:28 |
| smb | --- | 17:28 |
| smb | After a few weeks and about 90 patches later, it still/again compiles | 17:28 |
| smb | and even boots (unfortunately it does not make coffee and still hangs | 17:28 |
| smb | when trying to install java on a i386 t1.micro). | 17:29 |
| smb | --- | 17:29 |
| hggdh | Daviey: yeah | 17:29 |
| smoser | hoops . sorry. i cut Daviey/hggdh off. | 17:29 |
| smb | Anyway, due to many changes, some preliminary beating could be of advantage. | 17:29 |
| smb | That would be all... :) | 17:30 |
| smoser | smb, bummer on the java/t1.micro | 17:30 |
| Daviey | smb, Hmm.. is there some exciting changes? :) | 17:30 |
| smoser | i have probably asked before, but have you compared our source /config to amazon's kernels ? | 17:30 |
| smb | smoser, as it seems to be no problem if you got a recent os outside, I did not expect much there | 17:30 |
| smoser | a recent xen hypervisor, you mean. | 17:31 |
| smb | smoser, it seems more dom0 related as centos 5.5 and xen 3.0.2 works as well as 5.5 and 3.4.3 | 17:31 |
| Daviey | smb, When are we expecting the next natty kernel upload, 0-day? | 17:32 |
| smb | I don't think there has been the feeling it needs to be 0-day, but around 1 week later or so | 17:33 |
| smb | smoser, Oh and about amazon kernels. No, I did not really know where to get the sources from | 17:33 |
| Daviey | smb, okay with me :). | 17:33 |
| smoser | [ACTION] smoser will point smb at amazon kernels | 17:34 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: smoser will point smb at amazon kernels | 17:34 |
| smoser | [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Documentation Team (sommer) | 17:34 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Weekly Updates & Questions for the Documentation Team (sommer) | 17:34 |
| smoser | what do we do here? | 17:34 |
| Daviey | We talk about the lack of docs we have been doing. | 17:34 |
| Daviey | Has anyone touched docs in the last week? | 17:34 |
| Daviey | (/me hasn't) | 17:34 |
| * zul giggles | 17:35 | |
| jamespage | nope | 17:35 |
| Daviey | We really, really do need to look at them this week. | 17:35 |
| hallyn | once more: url | 17:36 |
| hallyn | (+ action) | 17:36 |
| RoAkSoAx | Daviey: it was suggested to removed this topic until we find another who can take care of it | 17:36 |
| RoAkSoAx | but everybody pretty much ignored the discussion :) | 17:36 |
| Daviey | RoAkSoAx, sadly, we just will not for the short term. | 17:36 |
| hallyn | so when we find things to fix, where to we send the fixes? | 17:37 |
| Daviey | hallyn, I'll post an email to ubuntu-server today about docs review | 17:37 |
| hallyn | thanks | 17:37 |
| Daviey | done. | 17:37 |
| smoser | [ACTION] Daviey to send message to -server regarding docs review | 17:37 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: Daviey to send message to -server regarding docs review | 17:37 |
| hallyn | heh | 17:38 |
| smoser | [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions from the Ubuntu Community | 17:38 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Weekly Updates & Questions from the Ubuntu Community | 17:38 |
| smoser | no kim0 | 17:38 |
| smoser | does anyone have anything htere? | 17:39 |
| smoser | here | 17:39 |
| smoser | moving on | 17:39 |
| smoser | [TOPIC] Open Discussion | 17:39 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Open Discussion | 17:39 |
| Daviey | Still time to add blueprint ideas for UDS! | 17:40 |
| smoser | when is the deadline for that? | 17:40 |
| Daviey | Has anyone had ideas not yet raised? | 17:40 |
| Daviey | smoser, later-ish.. but soon-ish is better-ish. | 17:40 |
| Daviey | Regarding the DB spec.... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/KnowledgeBase/FeatureComparison/MySQL needs populating if it is worth our while disucssing it | 17:41 |
| Daviey | & https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/KnowledgeBase/FeatureComparison/NetworkMonitoring | 17:41 |
| robbiew | blueprints...blueprints...bluepritns | 17:41 |
| robbiew | server-o-blah-bloop-bleep | 17:41 |
| Daviey | Both are somewhat disappointing considering that active discussion on those threads. | 17:42 |
| robbiew | robbie.w as approver | 17:42 |
| Daviey | I can really see no point in us talking about MySQL or nagios alternatives without details on the matrix. | 17:42 |
| hallyn | against what 'project'? | 17:42 |
| SpamapS | Daviey: re db spec | 17:42 |
| SpamapS | Colin from MontyProgram will be at UDS on Monday | 17:43 |
| robbiew | hallyn...uh, "ubuntu" | 17:43 |
| Daviey | SpamapS, on neat. | 17:43 |
| SpamapS | He's registered already and I'll subscribe him as an essential person for the mysql discussion | 17:43 |
| hallyn | thanks | 17:43 |
| SpamapS | I am also going to work on getting somebody from Percona to join virtually if not physically | 17:44 |
| Daviey | SpamapS, groovy... can you ask him to add some facts to the wiki page? | 17:44 |
| Daviey | SpamapS, I'd really like to go into the session better informed than i am at the moment... rather than learning during that time. | 17:44 |
| SpamapS | Daviey: yes I'll get Percona and MontyProgram to update that wiki. Not sure of who we could get from Oracle. | 17:44 |
| Daviey | SpamapS, It seems you have that action in hand! | 17:45 |
| SpamapS | Daviey: the water is a bit muddy in that Percona takes MontyProgram's patches and MontyProgram takes Percona's patches so there's actually very little difference. | 17:45 |
| smoser | done? | 17:45 |
| SpamapS | And then they're both starting to cherry pick from MySQL 5.6 .. we really need to decide what we want available to users. | 17:45 |
| zul | postgresql! | 17:45 |
| hallyn | se-postgresql | 17:46 |
| SpamapS | Drizzle ftw ;) | 17:46 |
| smoser | sql is so old and lame | 17:46 |
| SpamapS | smoser: yes I think we've descended into single word answers.. quick before it gets dirty | 17:46 |
| smoser | [TOPIC] Announce next meeting date and time | 17:46 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Announce next meeting date and time | 17:46 |
| SpamapS | Forget SQL, and NoSQL, we want the new hotness.. "SomeSQL" | 17:47 |
| smoser | Tuesday, April 25th 2011 14:00 UTC | 17:47 |
| SpamapS | cheers all! | 17:47 |
| smoser | end meeting coming | 17:47 |
| smoser | in 5 | 17:47 |
| smoser | 4 | 17:47 |
| Daviey | wait | 17:47 |
| smoser | 3 | 17:47 |
| Daviey | okay, carry on. | 17:47 |
| SpamapS | 14:00 UTC?! | 17:47 |
| smoser | 2 | 17:47 |
| smoser | doh! | 17:47 |
| smoser | Tuesday, April 25th 2011 16:00 UTC | 17:47 |
| * SpamapS thinks smoser was just checking to see if we were reading | 17:47 | |
| smoser | 1 | 17:47 |
| smoser | #endmeeting | 17:47 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 11:47. | 17:47 |
| * smb stays behind for the next one | 17:49 | |
| * Daviey lurks to keep smb company. | 17:53 | |
| smb | Daviey, Cheers. :) | 17:53 |
| JFo | \o/ | 17:57 |
| ppisati_ | o/ | 17:57 |
| cking | o/ | 17:57 |
| kamal | o/ | 17:58 |
| herton | \o | 17:58 |
| sconklin | -o- | 17:59 |
| smb | Too early, too early! | 17:59 |
| * JFo dances | 17:59 | |
| cking | we are eager | 17:59 |
| bjf | #startmeeting | 18:00 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 12:00. The chair is bjf. | 18:00 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 18:00 |
| kamal | gotta be early or you'll miss it, given bjf's lightning speed ;-) | 18:00 |
| sconklin | we want a world record for a negative meeting length | 18:00 |
| bjf | ## | 18:00 |
| bjf | ## This is the Ubuntu Kernel Team weekly status meeting. | 18:00 |
| bjf | ## | 18:00 |
| bjf | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting | 18:00 |
| bjf | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty | 18:00 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting | 18:00 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty | 18:00 |
| bjf | # Meeting Etiquette | 18:00 |
| bjf | # | 18:00 |
| bjf | # NOTE: '..' indicates that you are finished with your input. | 18:00 |
| bjf | # 'o/' indicates you have something you'd like to add (wait until you are recognized) | 18:00 |
| bjf | # | 18:00 |
| bjf | [TOPIC] Release Metrics (JFo) | 18:00 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Release Metrics (JFo) | 18:00 |
| JFo | Release Meeting Bugs (15 bugs, 7 Blueprints) | 18:00 |
| JFo | ==== Release Milestoned Bugs (52 across all packages (up 9)) ==== | 18:00 |
| JFo | * 2 linux kernel bugs (down 2) | 18:00 |
| JFo | * 0 linux-ti-omap4 bugs (no change) | 18:00 |
| JFo | * 0 linux-meta-ti-omap4 bug (no change) | 18:00 |
| JFo | ==== Release Targeted Bugs (236 across all packages (down 8)) ==== | 18:00 |
| JFo | * 34 linux kernel bugs (up 2) | 18:00 |
| JFo | * 2 linux-ti-omap4 bugs (up 1) | 18:00 |
| JFo | * 0 linux-meta-ti-omap4 bug (no change) | 18:00 |
| JFo | ==== Milestoned Features ==== | 18:00 |
| JFo | * 6 blueprints (Including HWE Blueprints) | 18:00 |
| JFo | ==== Maverick Updates Bugs ==== | 18:00 |
| JFo | * 5 Linux Bugs (down 1) | 18:00 |
| JFo | ==== Lucid Updates Bugs ==== | 18:00 |
| JFo | changed to only reflect linux package bugs | 18:00 |
| JFo | * 15 Linux Bugs (no change) | 18:00 |
| JFo | ==== Bugs with Patches Attached:92 (up 6) ==== | 18:01 |
| JFo | * [[https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bugs?field.has_patch=on | Bugs with Patches]] | 18:01 |
| JFo | * [[http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ogasawara/csv-stats/bugs-with-patches/linux/ | Breakdown by status]] | 18:01 |
| JFo | .. | 18:01 |
| bjf | [TOPIC] Blueprints: Natty Bug Handling (JFo) | 18:01 |
| bjf | [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-bug-handling | 18:01 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Blueprints: Natty Bug Handling (JFo) | 18:01 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-bug-handling | 18:01 |
| JFo | * [jeremyfoshee] to develop process for handling, validation & closure, | 18:01 |
| JFo | and document in the wiki:POSTPONED | 18:01 |
| JFo | -held off because the process is changing. The documentation I have compiled | 18:01 |
| JFo | will be useful once we enumerate what gets broken out between SRU and Dev. | 18:01 |
| JFo | * [jeremyfoshee] to drive existing bugs with patches list to zero and keep it there:POSTPONED | 18:01 |
| JFo | - postponed based on conversation with Pete. There will be more on this post-UDS | 18:01 |
| JFo | * [jeremyfoshee] look at kerneloops reports to better detect duplicates:POSTPONED | 18:01 |
| JFo | - postponed as this work will not make it before release. Will likely complete ist of the | 18:01 |
| JFo | O cycle | 18:01 |
| JFo | * [jeremyfoshee] look at primary arsenal message for applicability to flavour | 18:01 |
| JFo | (not appropriate for arm):POSTPONED | 18:01 |
| JFo | -Postponed as the arsenal scripts are currently under complete rewrite to reduce complexity | 18:01 |
| JFo | * [jeremyfoshee] update apport-hooks verbage:POSTPONED | 18:01 |
| JFo | -bjf has a bug in to address this. I have postponed pending the outcome of that bug. | 18:01 |
| JFo | * [jeremyfoshee] look at arsenal flow and document:DONE | 18:01 |
| JFo | -completed inasmuch as we have basic diagrams for what they currently do. This will | 18:01 |
| JFo | change with the re-write mentioned above | 18:01 |
| JFo | * [sconklin] ensure we have documentation/scripting(?) for git bisect'ing an issue:DONE | 18:01 |
| JFo | -Done. Available at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/KernelBisection | 18:01 |
| JFo | .. | 18:01 |
| bjf | [TOPIC] Status: General Natty (apw / ogasawara) | 18:02 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Status: General Natty (apw / ogasawara) | 18:02 |
| apw | No change from last week version wise. We may have to do an upload today for a compiler issue. | 18:02 |
| apw | .. | 18:03 |
| bjf | [TOPIC] Status: Stable Kernel Team (sconklin / bjf) | 18:03 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Status: Stable Kernel Team (sconklin / bjf) | 18:03 |
| sconklin | || | 18:03 |
| sconklin | || We are not currently in a normal SRU kernel cycle due to allocation of testing resources to Natty. | 18:03 |
| sconklin | || However, we have uploaded new Maverick packages to -proposed (or will today), in order to allow | 18:03 |
| sconklin | || interested parties to test the fairly large set of upstream stable patches which have been applied. | 18:03 |
| sconklin | || Maverick will be respun during the next cycle with any new fixes, and replace the package currently | 18:03 |
| sconklin | || in -proposed. | 18:03 |
| sconklin | .. | 18:03 |
| bjf | [TOPIC] Security & bugfix kernels - Maverick/Lucid/Karmic/Hardy/Dapper (sconklin / bjf) | 18:03 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Security & bugfix kernels - Maverick/Lucid/Karmic/Hardy/Dapper (sconklin / bjf) | 18:03 |
| sconklin | || Package || Upd/Sec || Proposed || TiP || Verified || | 18:03 |
| sconklin | || || || || || || | 18:03 |
| sconklin | || dapper linux-source-2.6.15 || 2.6.15-57.94 || 2.6.15-57.95 || 0 || 0 || | 18:03 |
| sconklin | || || || || || || | 18:03 |
| sconklin | || karmic linux-ec2 || 2.6.31-308.28 || 2.6.31-308.29 || 1 || 1 || | 18:03 |
| sconklin | || --- linux || 2.6.31-23.74 || 2.6.31-23.75 || 1 || 1 || | 18:03 |
| sconklin | || || || || || || | 18:03 |
| sconklin | || lucid linux-ec2 || 2.6.32-314.27 || 2.6.32-315.28 || 5 || 5 || | 18:03 |
| sconklin | || --- linux-ports-meta || 2.6.32.30.23 || 2.6.32.31.23 || 0 || 0 || | 18:03 |
| sconklin | || --- linux-meta-lts-backport-maverick || 2.6.35.25.36 || 2.6.35.28.37 || 0 || 0 || | 18:03 |
| sconklin | || --- linux-lts-backport-maverick || 2.6.35-25.44~lucid1 || 2.6.35-28.50~lucid1 || 13 || 13 || | 18:04 |
| sconklin | || --- linux-backports-modules-2.6.32 || 2.6.32-30.29 || 2.6.32-31.31 || 0 || 0 || | 18:04 |
| sconklin | || --- linux || 2.6.32-30.59 || 2.6.32-31.61 || 6 || 6 || | 18:04 |
| sconklin | || --- linux-meta || 2.6.32.30.36 || 2.6.32.31.37 || 0 || 0 || | 18:04 |
| sconklin | || --- linux-meta-ec2 || 2.6.32.314.15 || 2.6.32.315.16 || 0 || 0 || | 18:04 |
| sconklin | || || || || || || | 18:04 |
| sconklin | || maverick linux-ti-omap4 || 2.6.35-903.21 || 2.6.35-903.22 || 2 || 2 || | 18:04 |
| sconklin | || --- linux-firmware || 1.38.6 || 1.38.7 || 0 || 0 || | 18:04 |
| sconklin | || || || || || || | 18:04 |
| sconklin | || Complete (almost) realtime version report is here: http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/versions.html | 18:04 |
| sconklin | || | 18:04 |
| sconklin | .. | 18:04 |
| bjf | [TOPIC] Incoming Bugs: Regressions (JFo) | 18:04 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Incoming Bugs: Regressions (JFo) | 18:04 |
| JFo | Incoming Bugs | 18:04 |
| JFo | 917 Natty Bugs (up 262) ! | 18:04 |
| JFo | 1265 Maverick Bugs (up 10) | 18:04 |
| JFo | 1075 Lucid Bugs (up 11) | 18:04 |
| JFo | Current regression stats (broken down by release): | 18:04 |
| JFo | ==== regression-update ==== | 18:04 |
| JFo | * 47 maverick bugs (no change) | 18:04 |
| JFo | * 77 lucid bugs (no change) | 18:04 |
| JFo | * 4 karmic bugs (down 2) | 18:04 |
| JFo | * 0 hardy bugs (no change) | 18:04 |
| JFo | ==== regression-release ==== | 18:04 |
| JFo | * 482 natty bugs (up 147) ! | 18:04 |
| JFo | * 250 maverick bugs (up 1) | 18:04 |
| JFo | * 224 lucid bugs (up 1) | 18:04 |
| JFo | * 38 karmic bugs (no change) | 18:04 |
| JFo | * 2 hardy bugs (no change) | 18:04 |
| JFo | ==== regression-proposed ==== | 18:04 |
| JFo | * 34 natty bugs (up 17) ! | 18:05 |
| JFo | * 1 maverick bugs (no change) | 18:05 |
| JFo | * 0 lucid bugs (no change) | 18:05 |
| JFo | * 0 karmic bug (no change) | 18:05 |
| JFo | ! - please note that the numbers enumerated by '!' may be artificially elevated due to a | 18:05 |
| ubottu | Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) | 18:05 |
| JFo | tremendous amount of seemingly duplicate bugs of the | 18:05 |
| JFo | "WARNING: at /build/buildd/linux-2.6.38/net/sched/sch_generic." variety. | 18:05 |
| JFo | .. | 18:05 |
| bjf | [TOPIC] Incoming Bugs: Bug day report (JFo) | 18:05 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Incoming Bugs: Bug day report (JFo) | 18:05 |
| JFo | We Didn't hold a bug day. I let it slip my mind completely. | 18:05 |
| JFo | .. | 18:05 |
| bjf | [TOPIC] Triage Status (JFo) | 18:05 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Triage Status (JFo) | 18:05 |
| JFo | nothing to report | 18:05 |
| JFo | .. | 18:05 |
| bjf | [TOPIC] Open Discussion or Questions: Raise your hand to be recognized (o/) | 18:05 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Open Discussion or Questions: Raise your hand to be recognized (o/) | 18:05 |
| bjf | thanks everyone | 18:05 |
| bjf | #endmeeting | 18:05 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 12:05. | 18:05 |
| JFo | thanks bjf | 18:05 |
| smb | Beertime! | 18:05 |
| sconklin | thanks | 18:06 |
| ppisati_ | :) | 18:06 |
| cking | sweet | 18:06 |
| JFo | enjoy smb :) | 18:06 |
| kamal | thanks bjf | 18:06 |
| ogasawara | JFo: just curious, the 34 natty bugs noted as regression-proposed, is that accurate? as we don't have a -proposed kernel for natty yet. | 18:06 |
| kamal | JFo sees into the future ;-) | 18:07 |
| bjf | ogasawara, yes, there are natty bugs with that tag on them | 18:07 |
| JFo | ogasawara, that is only there so I can track them | 18:07 |
| JFo | and address them | 18:08 |
| JFo | hope to sort them out today | 18:08 |
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| marcus | are there any meeting rules available? | 19:56 |
| czajkowski | marcus: with regards to what ? | 19:57 |
| marcus | raising voice, moderation ... | 19:59 |
| czajkowski | marcus: really depends on what meeting tbh, if it;s in here there are usually team meetings so procedures and topics and people talk at certain times | 20:03 |
| czajkowski | in loco team channels it does depend on how it's chaired | 20:03 |
| marcus | ah, okay | 20:04 |
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| paultag | LoCo time, T-Minus 2 minutes | 20:57 |
| paultag | czajkowski: popey: itnet7: huats: leogg: ping :) | 20:58 |
| huats | paultag, hello | 20:58 |
| paultag | huats: Howdy! | 20:58 |
| huats | right on time | 20:58 |
| huats | :) | 20:58 |
| popey | yo! | 20:58 |
| paultag | popey: Howdy-doodie! | 20:58 |
| paultag | 'bout that time! | 20:59 |
| paultag | #startmeeting | 21:00 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 15:00. The chair is paultag. | 21:00 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 21:00 |
| paultag | Well, hello, world! | 21:00 |
| paultag | we've got huats, popey, is leogg itnet7 or czajkowski here? | 21:00 |
| leogg | o/ | 21:00 |
| paultag | o7 | 21:01 |
| * paultag checks agenda | 21:01 | |
| paultag | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/Agenda | 21:01 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/Agenda | 21:01 |
| paultag | JanC: ping? | 21:01 |
| huats | paultag, he should be around since 15 minutes ago he was sending email :) | 21:02 |
| paultag | huats: aye :) | 21:02 |
| paultag | anyone have anything else, while we wait? | 21:02 |
| JanC | hi | 21:02 |
| paultag | Ah, howdy | 21:02 |
| paultag | JanC: the floor is yours | 21:02 |
| czajkowski | Aloha | 21:02 |
| popey | hey czajkowski | 21:02 |
| * paultag waves to czajkowski | 21:02 | |
| czajkowski | I blame my housemate for eating my internet >:( | 21:03 |
| paultag | czajkowski: it's OK, we're underway, JanC's got the floor just now | 21:03 |
| paultag | have'nt missed anything yet | 21:03 |
| JanC | well, ubuntu-be has some money to spend on material for publicity | 21:03 |
| JanC | and we wondered if Canonical would want to sell some of the things they buy for themselves (or sometimes to give away for free) to locoteams at a good price | 21:04 |
| YoBoY | hi | 21:04 |
| JanC | and at least 3 other locoteams in the mailing list found that a good idea too | 21:05 |
| paultag | ubuntu-cz, italy, and ecuador | 21:05 |
| czajkowski | JanC: like a discount code or something ? | 21:05 |
| JanC | I'm also thinking about things that are not in the regular store | 21:06 |
| JanC | like the table cloth & banner | 21:06 |
| popey | perhaps they _should_ sell them in the store | 21:06 |
| popey | and give discounts to approved teams | 21:06 |
| czajkowski | popey: +1 idea yes | 21:06 |
| JanC | we could use more of these, and other things like rollups etc. | 21:06 |
| huats | popey, I am sure it is a good idea for canonical to sell that in the store | 21:06 |
| paultag | I could see that being really useful | 21:06 |
| Cracknel | this sounds great | 21:07 |
| paultag | and I think everyone would make out fairly well from it | 21:07 |
| popey | would make it easier for people to buy them | 21:07 |
| czajkowski | JanC: so the table cloth and bannner are good examples of this | 21:07 |
| popey | via a legitimate store | 21:07 |
| huats | it is clearly soemthing aimed at large groups | 21:07 |
| czajkowski | can you think of anything else | 21:07 |
| huats | like LoCos | 21:07 |
| JanC | of course if they are much more expensive than making them locally it's not going to work well | 21:07 |
| czajkowski | we then can ask canonical would it be possible for teams to purchase these things via the store ? | 21:07 |
| czajkowski | JanC: of course, but the idea being they'd all be the same so more professional looking | 21:08 |
| JanC | that's one point indeed | 21:08 |
| paultag | [IDEA] Sell LoCo Conf-SWAG (such as tablecloths or banners) in their store, at a discounted rate for approved teams | 21:08 |
| MootBot | IDEA received: Sell LoCo Conf-SWAG (such as tablecloths or banners) in their store, at a discounted rate for approved teams | 21:08 |
| czajkowski | ok so I guess what I'm wondering is | 21:08 |
| czajkowski | before we go to canonical and ask for this | 21:08 |
| czajkowski | is it just these two items | 21:08 |
| czajkowski | or is there anything else that springs to mind | 21:08 |
| paultag | +1 czajkowski | 21:09 |
| JanC | rollups are another thing | 21:09 |
| czajkowski | I dont want to go back and forth every few months asking for another rhing | 21:09 |
| czajkowski | rollups? | 21:09 |
| huats | once again putting that in the store might only put some "pollution" in the store or at least to have that in a separate category | 21:09 |
| popey | we should a) ask canonical if they're willing first, then b) if they are, go to loco-contacts and ask when people want most | 21:09 |
| popey | feed that back to canonical | 21:09 |
| YoBoY | czajkowski: lanyards | 21:09 |
| paultag | popey: +1 | 21:09 |
| huats | popey, +1 | 21:09 |
| popey | AIUI there were some changes afoot in the store | 21:09 |
| popey | so this might work well, or badly depends | 21:10 |
| JanC | there are lots of lanyards in the conference packs currently ☺ | 21:10 |
| czajkowski | YoBoY: lanyards are already there | 21:10 |
| YoBoY | yes but not discounted ^^" | 21:10 |
| serfus | what's nice in banner and such imo is that most of the loco teams have it localize, this will cancel that | 21:10 |
| popey | YoBoY: anything can be discounted | 21:10 |
| czajkowski | YoBoY: they are also in the conference packs. | 21:10 |
| JanC | but selling regular store items with the discount might be nice too | 21:10 |
| popey | you can get vouchers for the stores | 21:10 |
| YoBoY | czajkowski: the conference pack don't have enought for me | 21:11 |
| czajkowski | serfus: not the approved ones, it's a generic one. | 21:11 |
| huats | serfus, I think the idea would be to find items that don't need localisation | 21:11 |
| czajkowski | YoBoY: france team is a bit of an unusal one :) | 21:11 |
| czajkowski | huats: back me up here!!! | 21:11 |
| YoBoY | lol | 21:11 |
| huats | czajkowski, no way | 21:11 |
| huats | standing next to YoBoY :) | 21:11 |
| czajkowski | ok well if you like I'll take this on as an action item | 21:12 |
| czajkowski | and write to jane and petra and ask them would this be even possible and report back either via next mweeing or via the mailing list | 21:12 |
| paultag | [ACTION] Contact Canonical about offering LoCos products in the Store | 21:12 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: Contact Canonical about offering LoCos products in the Store | 21:12 |
| paultag | +1 czajkowski, thanks :) | 21:12 |
| paultag | JanC: really great idea | 21:12 |
| czajkowski | np | 21:12 |
| czajkowski | ok | 21:13 |
| czajkowski | is there anything else | 21:13 |
| czajkowski | also can I please ask all locoteams when contacting us to mail the entire team | 21:13 |
| czajkowski | if you mail us personally the team may miss out due to people not getting their email | 21:14 |
| czajkowski | pretty please :D | 21:14 |
| czajkowski | mail loco council mail address | 21:14 |
| paultag | we are in most timezones, so we get back to you faster :) | 21:14 |
| czajkowski | yes | 21:15 |
| czajkowski | exactly | 21:15 |
| czajkowski | does anyone have anything else ? | 21:15 |
| paultag | Anyone have anything they'd like to bring up? | 21:15 |
| JanC | BTW, czajkowski: with "rollups" I mean roll-up banners that come with a metal stand to hang them on (Canonical has those already for internal use) | 21:15 |
| paultag | what Laura said :) | 21:15 |
| itnet7 | o/ | 21:15 |
| paultag | itnet7: you have the floor :) | 21:15 |
| popey | i think we (UK) call them 'pop-up' banners, but yeah | 21:15 |
| YoBoY | JanC: not so good, english presentation material... | 21:15 |
| czajkowski | JanC: grand job shall ask also | 21:16 |
| YoBoY | or just with Ubuntu on it a bit ? | 21:16 |
| huats | YoBoY, that is why I mention materials that don't need translation | 21:16 |
| czajkowski | YoBoY: can just be the same Ubuntu info as on banner | 21:16 |
| czajkowski | Ubuntu and loco.ubuntu.com o them | 21:16 |
| JanC | YoBoY: considering that we often have to use it in a multilingual environment anyway... ;) | 21:16 |
| YoBoY | the banner have the english website, it's not a good info for me and people discovering ;) | 21:17 |
| huats | JanC, it is something that is not true in France (the multilingual stuff) | 21:17 |
| JanC | ah, but we have localised flyers etc. | 21:17 |
| itnet7 | sorry finally got on | 21:17 |
| JanC | and posters | 21:17 |
| paultag | oh, righto | 21:17 |
| itnet7 | was jyst saying present | 21:17 |
| paultag | itnet7: yessir :) | 21:17 |
| czajkowski | YoBoY: but if this goes into the store it's not going to be in multilanguages | 21:18 |
| czajkowski | it costs too much to get it done | 21:18 |
| JanC | the banners are more to pull attention or be visible from further away | 21:18 |
| paultag | we could ask for no english on it, I guess | 21:18 |
| YoBoY | yes I know, I don't want multilanguages stuff, I want neutral language stuff | 21:18 |
| paultag | with just "Ubuntu" and the logo or something | 21:18 |
| JanC | and to make the booth recognizable | 21:18 |
| paultag | and stock photos of people having fun | 21:18 |
| czajkowski | yes Ubuntu or loco.ubuntu.com as it's for locoteams | 21:19 |
| YoBoY | for example yes | 21:19 |
| YoBoY | it's a translated website | 21:19 |
| czajkowski | that's all that is going to go on these things | 21:19 |
| czajkowski | that makes them suitable for all | 21:19 |
| YoBoY | or we could ask a special website like start.ubuntu.com where users are redirect to the right website | 21:20 |
| YoBoY | don't know what's the best way | 21:20 |
| huats | YoBoY, I think we'll figure out lter | 21:20 |
| YoBoY | yes | 21:21 |
| huats | first let's ask Canonicla | 21:21 |
| czajkowski | we have the LD lets not go creating more websites for others to develop :) | 21:21 |
| JanC | "find you local team on loco.ubuntu.com" | 21:21 |
| JanC | but that's English again... | 21:21 |
| huats | and then during the many exchange we'll find the right formula to have something language neutral | 21:21 |
| YoBoY | just the website JanC :) | 21:21 |
| vojtech_t | i think just logo and ubuntu.com or loco.ubuntu.com is enough | 21:22 |
| czajkowski | ok | 21:22 |
| JanC | hi vojtech_t, you responded for the Czech team on the list IIRC ? | 21:23 |
| vojtech_t | JanC: yes | 21:23 |
| czajkowski | vojtech_t: thanks | 21:24 |
| vojtech_t | i think this is great idea, because we could use this materials, but it's to problematic for us to obtain them (create graphics, find a company to produce them...) | 21:26 |
| vojtech_t | *..too problematic... | 21:26 |
| JanC | vojtech_t: depends on what you have most: people to work on it or money ☺ | 21:26 |
| YoBoY | same problem everywhere | 21:26 |
| YoBoY | huats: where we produced our last banners ? :D | 21:27 |
| czajkowski | vojtech_t: I've taken an action item to follow this up so will do so and get back to people | 21:27 |
| JanC | but there is also the scale issue, often making 1 or 2 items is relatively expensive | 21:27 |
| serfus | it might be easier and cheaper but i still think it's better for a loco team to have local merchandise | 21:27 |
| JanC | serfus: one doesn't exclude teh other | 21:28 |
| huats | YoBoY, Peru | 21:28 |
| YoBoY | ^^ | 21:28 |
| huats | and it was really cheap | 21:28 |
| czajkowski | at the end of the day folks, this is really only a discussion to see if people may be interested we still need to ask canonical if it's even possible | 21:28 |
| serfus | JanC, in case the team is not very wealthy it does | 21:28 |
| czajkowski | so nothing really will be sorted till then | 21:28 |
| huats | we asked someone from Ubuntu Peru (nxvl) to bring it to us on a UDS | 21:28 |
| huats | and it costs us only 20€ for 3 banners... | 21:29 |
| czajkowski | yes but not everyone is in that position | 21:29 |
| JanC | I've been thinking it might also be useful if Canonical wanted to pay the transport cost (now often the people who have least money pay most because they live further away...) | 21:30 |
| JanC | that could be part of the "discount" | 21:30 |
| paultag | OK, I think we have had some good talk on this, and we have enough to move forward with this | 21:30 |
| paultag | I think we should end this topic -- does anyone else have a new topic to discuss? | 21:31 |
| paultag | if not, we'll close the meeting and take this to locoteams | 21:31 |
| paultag | once! | 21:31 |
| paultag | twice! | 21:31 |
| paultag | thrice! That's a wrap! | 21:31 |
| paultag | Thanks, all! | 21:31 |
| paultag | #endmeeting | 21:31 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 15:31. | 21:31 |
| JanC | yep, thanks everybody for coming & discussing ☺ | 21:32 |
| serfus | ✌ | 21:32 |
| YoBoY | thanks | 21:34 |
| highvoltage | ohno I missed loco time | 21:44 |
| huats | highvoltage, indeed :) | 21:47 |
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