=== Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk === yofel_ is now known as yofel === doko_ is now known as doko === cking_ is now known as cking [12:00] hey [12:00] ola [12:01] hello [12:01] I pinged mako, mdke, pleia2 and sabdfl too, but I'm not sure who of them can show up today [12:02] persia? [12:02] has continued internet problems [12:02] ok [12:02] ok, let's start then [12:02] #startmeeting [12:02] Meeting started at 06:02. The chair is dholbach. [12:02] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [12:03] [topic] state of sounder@ [12:03] New Topic: state of sounder@ [12:03] ok, not the asiapac meeting ;) [12:03] ok, this is mine [12:03] I sent a proposal to the sounder list to have it shutdown and asked for feedback [12:03] feedback can be seen here:- http://paste.ubuntu.com/595921/ [12:03] along with a short prologue [12:04] thanks for driving this, popey [12:04] now, there were a couple of comments on the list that 11 UTC is inconvenient for some list members to attend this meeting [12:05] so I didn't put a time on the wiki, so we could potentially discuss at both so more can attend [12:05] I think that's reasonable [12:05] The overall feeling seems to be "don't shut it down" [12:05] [agreed] leave sounder@ item on the agenda for next CC meeting (3rd May) [12:05] AGREED received: leave sounder@ item on the agenda for next CC meeting (3rd May) [12:05] hello sabdfl [12:05] hi sabdfl [12:05] http://paste.ubuntu.com/595921/ for sabdfl [12:05] LINK received: http://paste.ubuntu.com/595921/ for sabdfl [12:05] howdy [12:06] Samuel did some analysis of the most recent ~20 posts to the list to see if my assertion that people seem to use it for arguing the moral toss held up [12:06] the moral toss? [12:06] most threads seem civil, but a few push the boundaries quite a bit (religion/politics mostly) [12:07] if you want to do an analysis I doubt that the last ~20 posts are indicative [12:07] sorry, discussing stuff which seems to mostly result from personal opinion [12:07] it'd be much more interesting to revisit the lists early beginnings and see how it evolved from there [12:07] not really related to ubuntu [12:07] well, it's certainly had a bit of a rollercoaster [12:08] periods of intensive developer discussion, quiet periods in 2008, then more active over the last year or so [12:09] The list has 396 subscribers as of today. [12:09] of those I think about 10 are set to nomail [12:09] and according to Samuels analysis, about 20-25 people actively contribute to the list. [12:10] i don't buy the argument that folk who have ubuntu in *common* also need a place to discuss things they almost certainly *don't*, like politics and religion [12:10] unfortunately have we heard a number of complaints about the tone and long periods of irrelevance of the content of the list [12:10] both are important human subjects, but i don't see that the Ubuntu project can or should provide an effective forum [12:10] i don't buy the safety valve argument [12:10] I unsubscribed some months ago when the quality of discussions was dwindling [12:11] i think this idea leads to a pressure cooker instead, where folks feel that Ubuntu has to take care of all aspects of their lives, and they end up becoming caged animals [12:11] very few ubuntu developers actually take part in conversations there dholbach [12:12] i think it would be perfectly acceptable to say "look, the ubuntu project is about delivering high quality free software to the world on a particular set of terms, we'll keep all lists / forums / channels / sites focused on that, and trust people find other outlets for their other interests" [12:12] in fact, i think that's healthier [12:12] we are what we are. we are not what we are not. [12:12] we are not, for example, a proxy for "everything some people do online" [12:12] even if we are most of what *I* do online :-) [12:14] I think it's interesting to note that very few people seem to use the list in the way it was created back then - and it seems like there's nobody interested in bringing it back to that state, so no "governance" of the list [12:14] agreed [12:15] Just one thing that I mentioned to popey, if you do decide to close it, give a few suggestions of places people might go to replace it, rather than have people join other devolment or user lists to sound off. [12:15] are there any CC who feel the case for keeping the list warrants discussion [12:15] I was disappointed about the amount of complaining about the list being shutdown, but no solutions given by the group [12:15] jussi: good point, but i think a number of those places should be "not in Ubuntu", i.e., politics and religion have their own forums [12:15] Technoviking: this is normal, it's a backwater [12:16] sabdfl: exactly :) [12:16] Technoviking, and it seems like nobody's here who participates in the discussions on the list [12:16] I try to participate but back off when it gets all unsavoury. [12:16] jussi, how about "your friends in a bar"? [12:16] dholbach: friends don't let friends drink and argue politics :-) [12:16] I personally don't think Ubuntu needs a place to discuss "everything and nothing" :) [12:16] e.g. fixing peoples misconceptions of stuff [12:16] sabdfl, yes, good friends :) [12:17] ok. we raise the quality of the project by being definitive about what doesn't fit [12:17] If the list was producing good debate, 'sounding new ideas' then it has a place. I can't think of a single change that the discussion on the list has achieved. [12:17] no responses yet to "are there any CC who feel the case for keeping the list warrants discussion", can we poll the CC on a motion to shut it down? [12:18] i don't think btw we're shutting it down in anger, it's served its purpose, it's just time to prune [12:18] note that some of the CC is not available right now of course [12:18] we have no effective governance for it, nor real reason to create that, nor volunteers [12:18] and this time may be difficult for members of the list to be here [12:19] sabdfl, I agree with that sentiment - maybe we should just give folks a chance to bring ideas to the next CC meeting (some said the timing of the meeting was bad for them)? [12:19] so the members of the list will feel unrepresented === wallyworld__ is now known as wallyworld [12:19] we can reopen the question if CC members who were not able to attend have objections [12:19] sabdfl: before you arrived I suggested we discuss this at 11 and 21 meeting to cover both ends of the day [12:19] popey: i jsut got off a call with a person in New Zealand, so we cover EST -> New Zealand, we're good [12:19] ok. [12:19] our community is too big now to agonize over this [12:20] we're showing signs of paralysis through scale [12:20] i think if the sounder folks felt strongly about it, surely one person out of 25 could attend irc neeting at an inconvient time [12:20] i think we can reasonably make a decision on this which could get challenged and reviewed by email [12:20] exactly [12:20] i'm worried we're falling into the trap of over-consultation on an increasingly-complex landscape, which will paralyze us [12:21] ok, I agree - on second thought, the call for ideas was sent out a few days ago, so there actually was enough time [12:21] more than [12:21] i think popey has lead the call for a change admirably openly and fairly [12:21] (thank you and well done popey) [12:21] ta [12:21] seems correct, peoples thoughts could easily have gone to the email list if they really wanted a say. [12:21] and he has taken an unfair beating for it [12:22] so, can we poll CC on a motion to prune the list and (per Jussi) direct conversations elsewhere in Ubuntu, as well as being clear that Ubuntu is *not* going to provide a forum for "anything goes" and "deliberately offtopic" mailing list traffic? [12:22] Ubuntu should build communities not private playgrounds [12:23] agreed, good meme that [12:23] hum, let me check how to drive the poll irc thing [12:23] this is a place to get stuff done, not make room for idle hands [12:24] [VOTE] Shall sounder@lists.ubuntu.com be pruned and (per Jussi) direct conversations elsewhere in Ubuntu, as well as being clear that Ubuntu is *not* going to provide a forum for "anything goes" and "deliberately offtopic" mailing list traffic? [12:24] Please vote on: Shall sounder@lists.ubuntu.com be pruned and (per Jussi) direct conversations elsewhere in Ubuntu, as well as being clear that Ubuntu is *not* going to provide a forum for "anything goes" and "deliberately offtopic" mailing list traffic?. [12:24] Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot [12:24] E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting [12:25] hum... that's not very clear now, is it? [12:26] +1 [12:26] +1 received from sabdfl. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1 [12:26] Private +1 vote received. 2 for, 0 against, 0 have abstained. Count is now 2 [12:26] shall we make that a poll about just sounder? and then discuss "being clear about 'anything goes' discussions" separately? [12:27] I mean I'm in favour of both :) [12:27] +1 [12:27] +1 received from dholbach. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3 [12:27] +1 [12:27] +1 received from popey. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4 [12:27] +1 [12:27] +1 received from Technoviking. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5 [12:27] #endvote [12:27] [endvote] [12:27] Final result is 5 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 5 [12:27] how did we get 5 when there's only 4 of us here? [12:27] oh, there was a private vote? [12:27] my bad [12:28] someone msg'd the bot. [12:28] I voted [12:28] haha [12:28] ok [12:28] fogot it was just CC [12:28] for the record: it's 4 out of 4 :) [12:28] heh [12:28] and you didnt mute channel like we do for LC to stop that happening [12:28] sorry [12:28] I'll take an action item to draft something [12:28] sorry dholbach/cc [12:28] muting wouldnt have fixed you privately messaging the bot [12:28] [action] dholbach to draft an announcement [12:28] ACTION received: dholbach to draft an announcement [12:28] I think that concludes the discussion of this item - popey: anything more? [12:28] nope [12:28] [topic] Any other business? [12:29] New Topic: Any other business? [12:29] Who wants to chair next time? Who wants to update the team report? [12:29] i can write up this decision for the team report, with pleasure [12:29] url? [12:29] I will chair the next meeting [12:30] sabdfl, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncil/TeamReports/11/April [12:30] thanks sabdfl, thanks Technoviking [12:30] Technoviking, popey, sabdfl: what did you think about the idea to use a google doc to track all our open discussion items? [12:30] np [12:30] happy to use anything really [12:30] dholbach: sounds fine by me [12:30] I dont mind what technology is used, so long as we all buy into it [12:31] yes, it's high time :) [12:31] ok [12:31] fine here, or etherpad if one gets setup [12:31] that's all from me :) [12:31] thanks everyone [12:31] #endmeeting [12:31] Meeting finished at 06:31. [12:32] cheers all [12:32] thanks [12:32] thanks! [12:32] :) [12:34] thanks popey [12:35] one thing - jussi - i suspect we have other offtopic / ungoverned fora in the IRC world? [12:35] we may need to consider applying a similar pruning principle [12:35] previously, i was ok with "red light districts" [12:35] i'm still ok with them, just not under ubuntu-* [12:35] we have -offtopic [12:36] if it's governed, that may be ok [12:36] but we still have stuff that's "offtopic for offtopic" [12:36] !o4o [12:36] Some topics are controversial and often end in negativity. Take care on subjects like war, race, religion, politics, gender, sexuality, drugs, potentially illegal activities and suicide. The topics are not banned; stating your position is ok, but trolling, baiting, hostility or repetition are not. If you are asked to stop, do so politely. Disputes to !appeals, please adhere to !freenode Policy and the !CodeOfConduct [12:36] sabdfl: -offtopic is fairly ok though [12:36] ok [12:36] People on sounder seem to feel it's "no holds barred, anything goes" [12:36] Its the other non namespace channel that has our name that worries me. [12:36] i think the framework of "offtopic and ungoverned" is reasonable as a basis for drawing the line [12:36] that's what i wrote in the TeamReport [12:36] other non-namespace channel? [12:37] sabdfl: on freenode, we dont control ##channels. [12:37] Im fairly sure you remember the situation with ##club-ubuntu. [12:37] we also have The Community Cafe on the forums [12:38] Ironically, Offtopic for offtopic was much stronger before the community council interfered [12:38] The topics were banned [12:38] but we keep it fairly clean off trollish topics [12:40] However, within the namespace we have kept it fairly nice. [12:41] right [12:41] ok [12:41] so far, so good [12:41] cheers all! [14:18] meh, missed it === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha === yofel_ is now known as yofel === kenvandine_ is now known as kenvandine === em is now known as emma === emma is now known as em === Zic_ is now known as Zic === maco2 is now known as maco === ampelbein_ is now known as Ampelbein [16:51] Daviey: smoser: RoAkSoAx: jamespage: zul: hallyn: robbiew: SpamapS: could i swap meeting scribe with one of you guys today? I'm sprinting in Montreal and kind of tied up at the moment [16:56] kirkland, ok. if no one else. [16:56] smoser: thanks much [16:59] smoser: ^5, you have earned yourself 1 turkish beer sir. :) [16:59] * SpamapS always appreciate it when somebody other than him chairs. ;) [17:00] * smb wonders whether anybody wants turkish beer [17:01] . o O { ignorant! } [17:02] ok. lets start meeting. let me find links. [17:02] #startmeeting [17:02] Meeting started at 11:02. The chair is smoser. [17:02] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [17:02] o/ [17:02] \o [17:02] hi [17:02] o/ [17:03] Who do we have so far? [17:03] o/ [17:03] \o/ [17:03] o./ [17:03] SpamapS: turkish beer any good? [17:03] \o [17:03] zul: certainly not as good as turkish delight [17:03] O$ [17:04] smoser, kicking off? [17:04] [TOPIC] Review ACTION points from previous meeting [17:04] New Topic: Review ACTION points from previous meeting [17:04] no action points from previous meeting apparently (per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/Server/20110412) [17:05] [TOPIC] Natty Development [17:05] New Topic: Natty Development [17:05] Hello o/ [17:05] We now have beta 2 firmly out of the door, and the incomming bug count is promising low. The burn down for final work items is looking on target: [17:05] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-server.html [17:05] LINK received: http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-server.html [17:05] The bugs i can currently tracking for Natty release are: [17:05] == Bugs for the server team == [17:05] [655533] [likewise-open] [master] package likewise-open 5.4.0.42111-2ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1 (http://pad.lv/655533) [17:06] Launchpad bug 655533 in likewise-open (Ubuntu Natty) "[master] package likewise-open 5.4.0.42111-2ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [High,Confirmed] [17:06] * Bug Status: Confirmed [17:06] * Not assigned to anyone :( [17:06] * Last updated: 2011-04-18 [17:06] [726769] [eucalyptus] package eucalyptus-common 2.0.1 bzr1255-0ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1 (http://pad.lv/726769) [17:06] Launchpad bug 726769 in eucalyptus (Ubuntu Natty) "package eucalyptus-common 2.0.1 bzr1255-0ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [High,Confirmed] [17:06] * Bug Status: Confirmed [17:06] * Assigned to: Dave Walker [17:06] * Last updated: 2011-04-18 [17:06] [745946] [cloud-init] cloud-final job did not run in ec2-automated-tests (http://pad.lv/745946) [17:06] Launchpad bug 745946 in cloud-init (Ubuntu) "cloud-final job did not run in ec2-automated-tests" [Medium,Confirmed] [17:06] * Bug Status: Confirmed [17:06] * Not assigned to anyone :( [17:06] isn't that one thought to be fixed? [17:06] * Last updated: 2011-04-18 [17:06] [759943] [mod-wsgi] mod_wsgi.so-3.2 gives errors (http://pad.lv/759943) [17:06] Launchpad bug 759943 in mod-wsgi (Ubuntu) "mod_wsgi.so-3.2 gives errors" [Medium,In progress] [17:06] * Bug Status: In Progress [17:06] * Assigned to: James Page [17:06] * Last updated: 2011-04-19 [17:06] [17:06] sorry, lag [17:06] == Bugs being worked on in other areas == [17:06] [728088] [debian-installer] iscsi root with or without auth fails to boot (http://pad.lv/728088) [17:06] Launchpad bug 728088 in debian-installer (Ubuntu Natty) "iscsi root with or without auth fails to boot" [High,Confirmed] [17:06] * Bug Status: Confirmed [17:06] * Assigned to: Colin Watson [17:06] * Last updated: 2011-04-14 [17:06] [747090] [linux] wrong return address sometimes pushed for INT in kvm (not qemu) (http://pad.lv/747090) [17:06] Launchpad bug 747090 in Ubuntu Translations "wrong return address sometimes pushed for INT in kvm (not qemu)" [Low,Triaged] [17:06] * Bug Status: Fix Committed [17:06] * Assigned to: Andy Whitcroft [17:06] * Last updated: 2011-04-18 [17:06] [566818] [plymouth] Cryptsetup passphrase prompt during boot: every character typed repeats the prompt (http://pad.lv/566818) [17:07] Launchpad bug 566818 in plymouth (Ubuntu Natty) "Cryptsetup passphrase prompt during boot: every character typed repeats the prompt" [Medium,Confirmed] [17:07] * Bug Status: Confirmed [17:07] * Assigned to: Surbhi Palande [17:07] * Last updated: 2011-04-18 [17:07] Daviey, pastebin ? [17:07] [580319] [upstart] dhcp3-server launches before upstart brings all interface, thus failing to start (http://pad.lv/580319) [17:07] Launchpad bug 580319 in upstart (Ubuntu Natty) "dhcp3-server launches before upstart brings all interface, thus failing to start" [Medium,Triaged] [17:07] seriously [17:07] * Bug Status: Triaged [17:07] * Assigned to: James Hunt [17:07] * Last updated: 2011-04-18 [17:07] [759545] [g [17:07] smoser, regarding bug [745946] [17:07] someone kick that guy [17:07] arrrrgh pastebin [17:07] smoser, regarding bug 745946... jamespage mentioned that he had not seen it in b2 round of testing... Do you think it's a bug with the AWS infrastructure rather than our platform? [17:07] Launchpad bug 745946 in cloud-init (Ubuntu) "cloud-final job did not run in ec2-automated-tests" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/745946 [17:08] i do not think it is aws infrastructure. [17:08] smoser, pastebin isn't ideal for historical retention :) [17:08] and somehow a link to https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-server/2011-April/005606.html [17:08] would have also been unsatisfactory ? [17:08] smoser, that is not up to date. [17:08] well... anyway. [17:08] Daviey: you were the last one to comment about the likewise-open bug (last time i checked )are you going to upload it? [17:09] zul, still investigating that one. [17:09] regarding that bug. i marked bug 760725 as a duplicate of it. [17:09] Launchpad bug 760725 in cloud-init (Ubuntu) "Cloud-init failed to complete actions (dup-of: 745946)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/760725 [17:09] Launchpad bug 745946 in cloud-init (Ubuntu) "cloud-final job did not run in ec2-automated-tests" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/745946 [17:09] I took a look at the likewise open situation as well and its very unclear what the actual issue is. [17:09] i think that we should review this list [17:09] smoser, oh? [17:10] but i think that multiple concurrent conversations will not fair well [17:11] smoser, Essentially, the ones on the list are pretty currently updated. [17:11] i suspect that the root cause of the cloud-init bug above is a race condition on boot. [17:11] smoser, Okay, do you have an idea how to reproduce it? [17:11] it could also be a timeout/failure of a network failure [17:12] smoser, I am kinda confused why we didn't see it with b2 tests? [17:12] Daviey, i do not. that does not, unfortunately, mean it does not exist. [17:12] Daviey, we did see it. [17:12] we just opened a new bug. [17:12] Daviey: smoser and I discussed earlier - we saw something v similar in b2 testing - bug 760725 [17:12] Launchpad bug 760725 in cloud-init (Ubuntu) "Cloud-init failed to complete actions (dup-of: 745946)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/760725 [17:12] Launchpad bug 745946 in cloud-init (Ubuntu) "cloud-final job did not run in ec2-automated-tests" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/745946 [17:12] read bug 745946, which i duped to it. [17:12] Launchpad bug 745946 in cloud-init (Ubuntu) "cloud-final job did not run in ec2-automated-tests" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/745946 [17:12] jamespage, ah! [17:13] Okay, i suggest we take that bug discussion out of band after the meeting. [17:13] they looked a little different but we believe they are the same thing. [17:13] Daviey: ack [17:13] Are there any other bugs which we should consider for natty release? [17:13] anyone? [17:13] hold on... [17:14] * Daviey holds. [17:14] Daviey: there's some new upstart bugs that have come to light [17:14] bug 751057 [17:14] Launchpad bug 751057 in grub2 (Ubuntu) "grub-pc upgrade on Amazon EC2: The GRUB boot loader was previously installed to a disk that is no longer present, or whose unique identifier has changed for some reason." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/751057 [17:14] Daviey: they're not on our plate, but they do need to get fixed. I've just now pinged skaet with them [17:14] SpamapS, have the numbers handy? [17:14] shoudl probably be looked at... and i wouldn't mind one other fix to that area of things. [17:15] yeeeeess.... bug 728531 and bug 766206 [17:15] then, there was the grub upgrade prompt from maverick to natty [17:15] Launchpad bug 728531 in upstart (Ubuntu Natty) "chroot support is not reliable" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/728531 [17:15] Launchpad bug 766206 in upstart (Ubuntu Natty) "user session support allows non-priv users to gain root privileges" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/766206 [17:16] smoser, Regarding 751057 - have you spoken to anyone in foundations about it? [17:17] Daviey, no. i have to look at it more. [17:17] smoser, okay, thanks.. and thanks SpamapS for them bugs... Now tracking them.. Any others from anyone else? [17:18] bug 759545 is the other one [17:18] Launchpad bug 759545 in grub2 (Ubuntu Natty) "user prompted to update unmodified grub configuration during Ubuntu server upgrade" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/759545 [17:18] ah. but i see stgraber assigned that to himself 1 hour ago [17:18] smoser, that is on my list, no? [17:19] here i have to admit to tuning out during the flood [17:19] :) [17:19] Okay, i am done... If anyone seens any other bugs that are suitable for natty release - please let me know.. kkthnxbye. [17:20] [TOPIC] Ubuntu Server Team Events [17:20] New Topic: Ubuntu Server Team Events [17:20] gold prospecting in california next week [17:21] zul and smoser will be at openstack summit next week (https://launchpad.net/sprints/ods-d) [17:21] Puppetcamp Europe in Amsterdam next Thur/Fri for me. [17:21] Not strictly server related, but i will be at the London (UK) Natty release party on the 28th - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/2011-April/029427.html [17:22] (others welcome) [17:23] [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh) [17:23] New Topic: Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh) [17:24] no news from me, except Euca now works [17:24] woot! [17:24] And I do not know why/how :-( [17:24] hggdh: cool :) [17:24] and you can even upload kernels! [17:24] LOL [17:25] anything else ? [17:25] .. [17:25] hggdh, because i sprinkled it with some fairy dust. [17:25] hggdh: everything is in the dance. As soon as you find it... [17:25] Daviey: ah, the brit's magic [17:25] * smoser practices his famed eucadance [17:25] no, it was from the clouds. [17:25] hggdh: has your brain explodeded yet? [17:26] hggdh, Are there other areas that are of concern to you? [17:26] zul: no, it melted :-) [17:26] Did you have a chance to test other aspects? [17:26] Daviey: right now no, fortunately [17:26] hggdh, \o/ [17:26] I did, but could not reproduce [17:26] still trying to break it ;-) [17:26] hggdh / jamespage: Is there any news on jenkins email reports of failure? [17:27] Daviey: kinda got side-tracked on that one [17:27] so no progress [17:27] (unless hggdh is going to surprise me :-)) [17:27] jamespage, ok. is it tricky? [17:27] no. I would rather leave it for discussion during UDS, I am afraid we are starting to get patches here and there, with no consolidated view [17:27] hggdh, I just want to get a full inbox when a test case fails :) [17:28] oh, I can provide you with a full inbox easily [17:28] \o/ [17:28] [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb) [17:28] hggdh, can that be an action? :) [17:28] New Topic: Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb) [17:28] SMBunny proudly presents: [17:28] * http://people.canonical.com/~smb/lucid-ec2-ng [17:28] * git://kernel.ubuntu.com/smb/ubuntu-lucid.git ec2-next [17:28] --- [17:28] After a few weeks and about 90 patches later, it still/again compiles [17:28] and even boots (unfortunately it does not make coffee and still hangs [17:29] when trying to install java on a i386 t1.micro). [17:29] --- [17:29] Daviey: yeah [17:29] hoops . sorry. i cut Daviey/hggdh off. [17:29] Anyway, due to many changes, some preliminary beating could be of advantage. [17:30] That would be all... :) [17:30] smb, bummer on the java/t1.micro [17:30] smb, Hmm.. is there some exciting changes? :) [17:30] i have probably asked before, but have you compared our source /config to amazon's kernels ? [17:30] smoser, as it seems to be no problem if you got a recent os outside, I did not expect much there [17:31] a recent xen hypervisor, you mean. [17:31] smoser, it seems more dom0 related as centos 5.5 and xen 3.0.2 works as well as 5.5 and 3.4.3 [17:32] smb, When are we expecting the next natty kernel upload, 0-day? [17:33] I don't think there has been the feeling it needs to be 0-day, but around 1 week later or so [17:33] smoser, Oh and about amazon kernels. No, I did not really know where to get the sources from [17:33] smb, okay with me :). [17:34] [ACTION] smoser will point smb at amazon kernels [17:34] ACTION received: smoser will point smb at amazon kernels [17:34] [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Documentation Team (sommer) [17:34] New Topic: Weekly Updates & Questions for the Documentation Team (sommer) [17:34] what do we do here? [17:34] We talk about the lack of docs we have been doing. [17:34]