[00:01] is it possible to reconfigure the UI on OS X? [00:07] not really [00:09] not sure how else to answer that. impossibly vague :) [00:10] is it possible to make the buttons be on the right? [00:11] is it possible to turn off global menu? [00:11] No. [00:11] is it possible to replace the dock with a traditional task list? [00:11] basically i want to turn it into windows [00:12] ali1234: Install Windows then ;p [00:12] ali1234: Mac is just a PC nowadays ;p [00:12] you can have the dock on the bottom, left or right [00:12] can i run Xcode on windows? [00:12] popey: i don't want any kind of dock, docks are rubbish [00:12] meh [00:13] dunno if you can turn it off entirely [00:13] pretty sure you can't make global menu go away [00:13] oh, you said buttons, sorry, i thought you meant dock [00:13] didnt realise you meant window controls [00:13] yes [00:14] is it possible to install KDE as a desktop and run native apps through it? [00:14] popey: I was asking you about rsnapshot the other day, how do you get around the permissions/file problems with rsnapshot? :p [00:15] which problems? [00:15] ali1234: you can run x on it, dunno about DEs [00:15] i have x on mine so i can do ssh -x to ubuntu [00:16] you can install gnome/kde, it's just a lot of work because no-one builds it for you anymore [00:17] popey: you say you back up the entire filesystem, but surely to do that as a normal user is impossible? [00:17] but if you launch 'native' apps thru them, they'll appear on your regular desktop, instead of thru X. because they're not X apps [00:17] yeah i'm aware of the brokenness of OS X's X11 [00:17] Azelphur: i dont do it as a normal user, I do it as root [00:18] popey: ah, so you've enabled the root user on your server? :p [00:18] i just hope the same thing doesn't happen when we're all forced to switch to wayland [00:18] anyone know how i can make vsftp upload files to 644 and folders at 755? [00:18] that makes more sense :) [00:18] it keeps doing 022 and random things [00:18] no Azelphur [00:18] back to being confused then xD [00:18] i added an ssh key to /root/.ssh/authorized_keys [00:18] so rsnapshot can connect as root to those boxes [00:19] ah I see [00:19] local_umask=077 is close, but only for the current user === hamitron1 is now known as hamitron [00:19] doing 755 is not actually doing 755, its 042 or something [00:30] is it difficult to use a mac if you don't have a mac keyboard? [00:30] not really. f12 will become your eject key, super_L will become your cmd key. [00:31] super L being left windows key? [00:31] yeah [00:32] it's a bit odd if you're actually used to using a mac keyboard, because they have alt & cmd the other way around (ctrl, alt, cmd, space). but if you're not used to it, you won't notice [00:33] i used a mac once before and the keyboard layout was noticably different hence my question [00:33] i never got used to it though [00:33] the mac's uk layout is closer to a US layout than windows' [00:34] yeah [00:34] will that cause me a problem? [00:35] will i always get " when i type @? [00:35] it'll be a bit annoying if you're not used to US keyboards. @ is on shift-2 :) [00:35] no way to reconfigure it? [00:35] not sure actually. haven't looked [00:36] http://www.gyford.com/phil/writing/2005/11/20/using_a_british.php [00:38] was in the US when I started moving form ubuntu/debian to osx, so didn't think of that at all :) [00:39] (the remap modifiers bit is handy tho. turning useless caplock key into a ctrl key is pure win.) [00:39] i'd be happy if things just did what was written on them [00:40] man I'm boreddddddddddd [00:40] need something to do >_< [00:40] tempted to turn on the c64 to waste some hrs [00:40] :) [00:41] only pc keyboard I have atm is ps/2, so I can't really test :/ [00:42] shauno: heh, I use to have to use a US layout keyboard at one point [00:43] everyone does at one point or another [00:43] couldn't avoid it, because the US layout is so different to the UK... you loose keys when you switch it to UK [00:43] laptop has a US/Ar layout [00:44] Which I think is daft, there should be a UK/Ar layout :/ [00:44] I remember finding some quake build (possibly glquake) that actually understood my keyboard layout. [00:44] was very odd actually having ~ open the console. quake originally assumed a US layout, so it was always "the key left of 1", no matter what was written on it [00:45] ah, yeah I remember that [00:45] I use to associate that key with the "console/terminal" key [00:48] that's still my system-wide "give me a terminal" key :) [00:49] especially since the mac-uk keymap puts the most useless characters possible on it [00:49] heh you mean the "¬`|" keys? [00:49] worse [00:50] (which I think is daft cos | is also at the bottom next to shift!) [00:50] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_sign [00:50] I can't type it anymore, because that key doesn't do what it oughta anymore :) [00:50] § [00:50] but that's gotta score major points for being the most useless glpyh to ever earn it's own key [00:52] shauno: might be useful for lawyers :P [00:52] which is probably why its there :P [00:52] and publishing [00:52] was going to say that too [00:52] lol [00:53] because its their demographic they use to aim for - and well its too late now to change a standard keyset for them [00:53] I'd think if that was the logic, it'd be on the US keymap too [00:53] oh, isn't it? [00:54] hmm, seems the americans called brackets as parenthesis... always wondered what that word meant :/ [01:12] well this sucks [01:13] :/ [01:13] i dunno if it's the driver or a windows starter limitation but i can't do dual head and i can only do maximum res of 1680x1050 [01:14] also the picture is really brown for no reason [01:14] 1680x1050 on a netbook? [01:14] that could be the monitor though [01:14] external monitor [01:15] MS probably want you to pay them some of your hard earned £££££ [01:15] i need to install visual studio express so i can compare it to xcode [01:15] and this netbook is the only windows machine i have [01:18] damn windows is slow [01:20] could be the netbook ;/ [01:20] it works in ubuntu [01:20] windows 7 kinda needs more [01:20] ;) [01:21] I found win7 on my old machine with 2gb ram too slow [01:22] but putting it on something "good", and it has actually won me over [01:22] :( [01:33] anyone got an idea of a simple app i could try to make to test all these things out? [01:33] should be something that i can make in a day or less [01:34] test what? [01:35] the screen res problem? [01:35] "every mobile app development environment" [01:35] ah [01:35] a twitter app :) [01:35] no [01:35] the world needs more twitter apps! [01:35] that will take more than a day [01:35] rss reader? [01:35] rss reader is what i was going to do [01:36] but only because it's what the ovi app wizard makes [01:36] haha [01:36] and as such i have something i can already compare with [01:36] although i already tried to make a RSS reader on android and failed [01:36] but i only tried for about half an hour [01:37] you comparing mobile development environments to what end? [01:37] decide on what platform to make your world domination app on? [01:37] no [01:37] evaluating them for someone else [01:40] i already know Qt is the best :) [01:40] (for me that is, not necessarily in general) [04:24] the windows phone 7 emulator just bombs out [04:24] i think it needs more ram, or hardware vx support [04:25] but it isn't saying. it just crashes. [04:53] * ball is confused [07:37] Morning campers :-) [07:38] moo [07:41] baa [07:53] hello all [07:59] oo dropbox security terms of service changed...... [08:00] guess it's not as secure as they make out. [08:29] I need to clone files from a partition to partition (preserving paths, permissions .. etc) - do I use copy, xcopy, rsync ?? [08:43] Morning all [08:46] Another tuesday, only tomorrow and thursday to go [08:47] I woke up thinking it was wednesday [08:47] i woke up :( lol [08:47] ♫ I woke up this morning [08:48] MooDoo: Always a good thing though, not waking up would be a sign of a serious problem [08:48] ok let me rephrase it.....i woke up 3 hours too early :D [08:48] I'm tempted to go and buy portal 2 [08:48] MooDoo: Not so good then [08:49] nperry: get a console version, you'll get the PC/Mac version for free [08:49] For free? [08:49] nperry: PS3 version includes a code that you can use to get Portal 2 on Steam on your PC/Mac [08:50] Oh, but I don't have a PS3 [08:50] time to get one :P [08:50] Maybe I can get some one to get it for there ps3 and i'll have the code [08:50] Win! [08:51] Its my girlfriend birthday today, I half wrapped a present and then used a sainsbury carrier bag to wrap the rest. [08:52] I ran out of wrapping paper :( [08:52] nperry: oooops :) wrapped with a sainburys kite :D [08:53] Martiini: http://www.ymeme.com/recipe-copy-files-directories-recursively-tar-111.html [09:19] Hello, good morning and welcome! === cking_ is now known as cking [09:26] phew [09:26] Mornin all [09:27] Good morning peeps [09:34] morning [09:35] willy1977: morning [09:37] Can I install iTunes insto Ubuntu 10.10? [09:38] scoundrel50a: What do you want to do? Listen to music? Buy music? [09:38] Attach my iPhone to Ubuntu [09:38] I suppose listen mostly to music [09:38] Rhythmbox and Banshee support iPods and iPhones afaik [09:39] just plug it in and a dialog should appear :) [09:39] oh, I didnt know that, I'll give that a go now, thank [09:50] !itunes | scoundrel50a This may help as well, [09:50] scoundrel50a This may help as well,: itunes is not available on Linux, but there are many audio player alternatives (see !players). For Daap clients (sharing music with other iTunes clients on the network), install banshee [09:50] !players [09:50] Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Audacious, Banshee, Beep Media Player, Listen, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, Exaile, XMMS2 (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based). Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine - See also !codecs === serial is now known as Guest58749 [10:17] DJones: sorry just saw this now, thanks I will have a look at them. I suppose they also work on HTC phones as well? [10:18] scoundrel50a: yeah, all MP3-playing devices should be supported [10:18] if they aren't support can usually be added easily [10:18] scoundrel50a: I'm not sure about HTC phones, its something I've not used, I always just copy music as a files to my HTC [10:18] It worked on my HTC Magic and Nexus One [10:19] ok, thank you. [10:19] (it should work on any Android device really) [10:22] \o/ natty t-shirt has arrived [10:22] morning [10:22] "nat" is Dutch for "wet" [10:22] haha [10:24] Heh [10:41] im trying to mount something but its not working... im pretty sure the same command worked yesterday. sudo mount /dev/sdf /media/ec6-clone/ [10:41] getting : mount: special device /dev/sdf does not exist [10:41] anyone know what i can check? [10:41] dogmatic69: are you sure you need to mount manually? [10:42] dogmatic69: is it a removeable device? [10:42] dogmatic69: try mounting using the GUI tools (either the file browser or the Disk Utility in System->Administration) [10:42] MartijnVdS: its a AWS drive [10:42] What's an AWS drive? [10:43] no gui tools on 10.10 server :D [10:43] dogmatic69, what are you using to create the EBS device node? [10:43] elastic block store volume [10:43] directhex: aws console, i had it mounted yesterday... just cant do it today :/ [10:44] console as is 'https://console.aws.amazon.com' [10:45] what is the command to show all the drives available? [10:45] hmm, its not there in fdisk -l [10:53] gah [10:53] stoped it, removed the drive, added it back and started. now works [10:53] not like i did not try that 5 times already [11:01] morning all [11:01] AlanBell: No pimping circleof friends much then :D [11:02] o/ [11:04] good morning everyone. [11:04] davmor2: who me? [11:05] brobostigon: morning [11:05] http://www.geeksaresexy.net/2011/04/18/how-to-fix-any-computer-in-2-easy-steps/ very funny, :) [11:05] MooDoo: good morning, [11:06] ok, anybody know if there is a fix yet, of the backlight problem with Natty? Have asked in #ubuntu+1, nobody is there. [11:08] MooDoo: Morning dude [11:18] davmor2: hello buddy...how's it going [11:23] MooDoo: Sound although I hope czajkowski gets better soon it's not the same not picking on her :D [11:25] great, i just installed blender on my server. that was a clever thing to do [11:25] davmor2: yes i know, kind of miss her to be honest :) [11:25] czajkowski: hugs, get well soon i miss you !!!! <3 :) [11:26] MooDoo: you don't need to be that honest ;) [11:26] davmor2: just being nice to her for a change [11:26] gord: D'oh now you got to uninstall X and the random desktop environment it installed and ...... [11:27] actually no it didn't pull that in :) [11:27] blender doesn't *require* X so i guess it did some cleverness [11:27] any grphical html designers, i cant remember enough html, :( [11:28] gord: ohhhh I wonder. I know blender must be able to do headless for server farm I guess? [11:28] yup [11:40] Morning all o/ [12:14] Is there a tool I can run in the background to monitor connection stability? logging downtime/disconnects etc? [12:15] ping google.com > log.txt :D [12:16] Azelphur, smoke ping? [12:16] mtr might be worth a go, too. [12:17] doesn't nagios do something like that? [12:20] Tommeh: yea, I more want a log of when the connection goes down so I can use it as ammo against the ISP :P [12:21] lucky isp to have you as a customer :p [12:21] Smokeping would show graphs over time. It's almost as useful to have some form of 'loss' statistic (which mtr can provide) [12:22] But unless you get the logs directly from your router/modem, you won't be able to get anything accurate. [12:22] MooDoo: totally, that said since I started this conversation I've had 3 disconnects. [12:22] Better yet: get a better ISP that logs such things from their end. [12:22] Azelphur: ah! not with virgin are you? [12:22] nah, good ol ADSL [12:27] found a nice perl script, downtime.pl [12:27] sending IMCP pings to my gateway every second, and logging disconnects that last more than 30 seconds :) [12:39] has anyone had any experiance with the Intel HD graphics chip set on a i3 CPU on a laptop? [12:39] It works great for me :) [12:39] Neoti: yes, do you have a wobbly vga port? [12:40] ♫ H-D-M-I ♬ [12:40] no i am just looking at buying the HP G62-452SA laptop and have reed people have had problems with the intel HD graphincs etc ... [12:40] though some people report it fixed as of 10.10 ????? [12:40] Neoti: the only current problem is "wobbly" output on VGA ports, but that's being worked on. [12:41] Neoti: Laptop displays and HDMI/DVI are fine [12:41] ah... cool bean ..... thanks ... [12:43] knocked up a little hack using a python ping library xD [12:44] Azelphur: to do what? ping people? :) [12:44] Azelphur: or a radar display? :) [12:44] MartijnVdS: ping my ISPs gateway and log the results [12:45] a whole 4 lines :o [12:45] python gives you wings :D [12:45] \o/ [12:58] Neoti: Just for in, somebody was just asking about the G62-465DX in #ubuntu and couldn't get wifi working [12:59] s/in/info [12:59] It could be a different driver [13:00] * MooDoo hugs i miss youuuuuuuu <3 [13:01] Get a room :) [13:03] MooDoo: that virus was called "I love you" and it's been 11 years, let it go. :P [13:03] Neoti: I've just bought a HP G72 http://goo.gl/t0W76 The only issue I had was that I had to connect via cable to update before wifi worked, but graphics wise there's been no problem [13:04] damn missed off the czajkowski from that last statement, pah moment passed! [13:04] yay stag do tonight :) [13:05] MooDoo: your own? or someone else's? [13:05] MartijnVdS: someone else's i've been married for too lon...er a few years now [13:08] http://www.simplimg.com/product_images/4hRJs.jpg [13:11] All hail the wonderful Virgin Media for going tits up while I was out for lunch [13:11] bigcalm: you as well :) ok then HAIL HAIL HAIL [13:25] Thanks Djones [13:26] i have found that with my last laptop ... i now always make sure i have an internet connection while installing ubuntu and always do an update after installing via cable connection to make sure everything works etc.... Ubuntu rocks. [13:27] bigcalm what problems are you having with virgin media and where abouts in the country are you as i have a client who is having some problems with vm [13:28] MooDoo ... i guess you are having problems too with virgin media ? [13:28] Shropshire [13:28] Neoti: on and off all day....Nottongham [13:28] My connection is obviously back now :) Restarted the modem [13:29] i have a client on voip on vm and latency to there router was just crap looking at 10-30% packet loss... [13:29] guess vm are having some core network problems or something ... [13:38] bigcalm: I've had it for a couple of months, by all accounts it's down to high usage, ie a lot of new customer are taking the 30 meg option that is screwing everyone else up :( [13:43] :( [14:02] bigcalm: May be relevant http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/04/19/virgin_media_superhub_still_wobbly/ [14:03] hmm, received junk mail from AV campaign despite being on the restricted electoral roll & being on the MPS - surely that's not allowed? [14:04] oimon: with your address or just posted through the door? [14:04] my name + address, posted via royal mail [14:04] DJones: I can't have the 30mb connection unless I stop getting matesrates. If that were the case, I might as well go to 50mb [14:05] Portal 2 just crashed on me though [14:09] MooDoo: the funny thing was, junk mail comprised some pics of some talentless goons who are supporting their cause, as if to say, well if it's good enough for Eddie Izzard and Stephen Fry, it's good enough for me. i couldn't pick 2 worse role models if i tried [14:10] hello czajkowski how you doing? [14:11] davmor2: hi [14:12] * MooDoo hugs czajkowski and davmor2 [14:12] MooDoo: hi [14:12] oimon: Political parties seem to think they're above & beyond the regulations, I had a similar thing before the last election with phone calls from various parties despite being on the TPS, when I pointed that out they said it didn't apply to them because they weren't selling anything so it wasn't marketing....TPS said otherwise after a complaint & said they would contact them & warn them [14:12] czajkowski: How's the back? [14:12] DJones: and nothing was done i assume [14:13] oimon: They said they contacted them and I didn't get any more calls [14:13] Thats all I can say [14:13] gettng there thanks [14:13] it's a sure fire way to get my back up. [14:14] just got back from the infosec event at earl's court. pretty lame, hardly any freebies, & dominated by AV vendors of course. not much of note for enterprise linux users as far as i could see [14:15] got my details scanned a few times and lost a little bit of my soul each time [14:15] oimon: That wouldn't have been "Alternative Vote" vendors would it :) [14:15] :P [14:15] the bigger the stand, the lamer your product usually [14:15] symantec & sophos had the biggest stand [14:17] hi guys. I'm trying to a new os but each time it tries to boot it's mounting the root file system read-only? n.b. Debian testing, but I've chatted more here than on debian channel ;) [14:22] ah! fstab says errors=remount-ro :( [14:24] Heh, anybody interested/vain enough to buy a short domain with their initials http://www.nominet.org.uk/digitalAssets/49223_Reserved_domains_status_table_130411.pdf Wonder if Slumberland beds will bid for zz.me.uk [14:29] Yay, landlines completely gone again [14:30] So far it's been Lots of short (20-120 seconds) drops, followed by an entire day of outage, then it came up, then more short drops, and now it's completely down again :( [14:30] anyone have ideas on what might cause that? XD [14:31] the ADSL light on the router isn't even coming on any more \o/ [14:32] Azelphur: Which ISP? [14:32] sky. [14:32] VIRGIN :) [14:33] Azelphur: Possibly a faulty router? I had a problem with mine a few months back, turned out to be a faulty power supply which wasn't giving enough power to the router so it couldn't connect, although I was getting some lights on so gave the impression that it was working [14:33] Azelphur: 22 days 17 hours, no drop ;) [14:33] yea it could be [14:34] http://pastebin.com/yzMfXaCf the last results from my little python script I wrote before it went terminal :p [14:34] If you've got a spare power supply, try swapping it & trying again, the Sky support said it was a fairly common problem although not publicised [14:34] you could disable wireless to reduce power to test for that? [14:34] DJones: I did try my belkin router using a password generator and it wouldn't connect [14:35] I could. [14:35] The server for http://192.168.0.1/ took too long to respond. It may be overloaded. xD [14:35] my wrt54gl sometimes does that :/ [14:37] Azelphur: you have 2 internet connections now? [14:37] hamitron: 3 [14:38] 2 dsl i mean [14:38] yea [14:38] if my mum has her way, 4 :D [14:38] omg, why? [14:38] Backups, baby :) [14:38] better to just get a better single line :/ [14:38] DJones: when are those domains being released? [14:38] hamitron: Step 1) Azelphur tries to get an internet connection, Step 2) Mum gives asshole dad control of internet connection, Step 3) Asshole dad either sabotages or tells me I can't use new connection [14:39] So far I got the second line, my dad stole it, she wants me to buy a third line [14:39] xD [14:39] oimon: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/04/19/short_domain_landrush/ [14:39] hamitron: yea, that's all I ever wanted to do, but sanity doesn't exactly reign in this house :D [14:39] there's some real serious dickmoves you could pull under that situation [14:40] anyone know if its possible to move a ssl certificate from one server to another [14:40] for example, register third line under her name and then don't pay the bill [14:41] ali1234: if I don't get my connection back I'll start playing, don't worry :) [14:44] Azelphur: as you are the techy of the house, just make up some likely story [14:45] then you can use them all secretly [14:45] lol [14:45] dogmatic69: you can move certificates and keys to another server, yes [14:45] dogmatic69: but not another hostname [14:46] hamitron: so far the only thing my dad did was call sky and cancel the engineer that was going to repair the problem xD [14:46] I have a 60Gb download limit... but if my sister downloads 500Mb it is her fault for putting us over the limit ;) [14:46] hamitron: but behaviour like that from my dad is reasonably mild on the scale of things xD [14:46] * MartijnVdS sidestepped the problem by moving out of his parents' house :P [14:46] yea, I'm planning on doing that soonish xD [14:46] heh, ditto. sounds like it should be pretty high up the todo list atm [14:47] either that, or replace the dad ;) [14:47] yea, me and my cousin want to go halves on a place [14:47] I like it at home tbh [14:47] there are advantages and disadvantages I suppose [14:47] hamitron: heh there's no point in me staying here, my relationship with my dad is 100% over and has been for well over a year [14:47] when I move there won't be any contact. [14:48] :\ [14:48] hamitron: s/are advantages/is freedom s/disadvantages/bills [14:48] me and my mum get on good :p [14:48] indeed bills ftl :( [14:48] DJones: I also like mumsy's cooking [14:48] :) [14:48] but I bought lots of good stuff while at home and now I can move out and be poor since I bought all the good stuff anyway haha [14:49] I have 3 sunday roast dinners per week here [14:49] when i had my own place, it was pizza or fish and chips [14:49] my dad starts arguments about food, I'm damned if I eat and I'm damned if I don't :D [14:51] but yea turning wireless off on the sky router, see if I get anywhere :) [14:51] MartijnVdS: cool, its a *.domain.co.uk one. is it possible to have it on many servers, one ec2 instance per sub domain [14:53] minecraft 1.5 is out :D [14:53] time to break everything [14:53] :/ [14:53] jeesh when I moved out I realised exactly how much my folks had been doing for me - I remember the first pay packet the first time after I'd moved out I thought there'd been a muck up with the banks when I saw the available balance after all the bills had been paid :o [14:53] I've not played 1.4 much yet [14:54] Azelphur: Have you got anything left thats not broken left to break? [14:54] DJones: yep, I havn't broken you yet :p [14:54] * DJones hides [14:54] Azelphur: you fixed the arduino? [14:54] ;) [14:54] hamitron: nope [14:55] I want one of these: http://www.terasic.com.tw/cgi-bin/page/archive.pl?Language=English&CategoryNo=53&No=83&PartNo=3 [14:56] not really wanting to spend that much money atm though [14:57] yea, even with wifi disabled it doesn't even seem to be dialing [14:58] :/ [14:58] brb, delivery arriving [14:58] hamitron: shiny :o [15:02] Probably a Graze box [15:02] gaze box 8-) [15:03] I've got 3 of those haha [15:03] got them for mothers day, my mums into healthy things. [15:05] My mum got a box of chocolates & a bunch of flowers, Dad ate most of the chocolates [15:05] i had my first mcdonalds meal for ages today...felt good :) [15:06] haha [15:06]