| Eureka | wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/UbuntuHours edited | 00:22 |
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| === Algo1 is now known as Algo | ||
| Algo | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2044285/oracle-hands-office-community | 01:53 |
| Algo | Too little, too late | 01:53 |
| Algo | especially as the community went and did that alone already | 01:53 |
| Algo | but, can anyone say RHL and Fedora? | 01:54 |
| nightmorph | okay, so tomorrow's/today's thing at Starbucks in La Jolla: what time does UTC translate to? | 11:30 |
| nightmorph | i plan to be there; i just gotta figure out what time it'll be at | 11:30 |
| nightmorph | i can never remember how PDT converts to UTC | 11:31 |
| nightmorph | i was thinking of bringing a couple of small bits of musical equipment and my laptop to show folks; "see, you can use ubuntu to make music, too! not just for your desktop!" | 11:33 |
| nightmorph | uh....12PM? | 11:36 |
| projectdp | mornin | 15:55 |
| nhaines | nightmorph: the UTC on the LoCo directory is a bug, since it doesn't support local time zones yet. Ubuntu Hour San Diego tonight will be from 7pm-9pm PDT. :) | 16:43 |
| projectdp | hi aak | 16:56 |
| akk | hi projectdp | 16:57 |
| projectdp | akk* :) | 16:57 |
| projectdp | isn't there a name for a mistake like that? | 16:57 |
| projectdp | a neurological term | 16:57 |
| akk | undoubtedly :) | 16:59 |
| akk | Re the discussion yesterday about apps and when they read from disk: I just remembered how if you upgrade firefox while you're running firefox, things gradually start breaking in weird ways. | 17:09 |
| iheartubuntu | does anyone here use Zoho email? | 17:10 |
| projectdp | hm, interesting | 17:10 |
| akk | I've never understood why a firefox that's been running for 6 hours already would still be going to the disk to re-read its libs/jar files. | 17:10 |
| projectdp | iheartubuntu: never really used zoho products | 17:10 |
| akk | All that stuff *should* be long since cached in memory. | 17:10 |
| nhaines | akk: maybe it detects a change and marks the cache as dirty. | 17:10 |
| akk | nhaines: That could be. But since it causes the running firefox to break, maybe that's not what it should be doing. :) | 17:11 |
| akk | (I guess that depends on whether "it" is the kernel or firefox) | 17:12 |
| nhaines | akk: I don't disagree. :) | 17:12 |
| nhaines | "It" must be firefox. | 17:12 |
| nhaines | And by "must be" I mean "groundless assertion." :D | 17:13 |
| akk | :) | 17:13 |
| akk | Makes sense, though. It's hard to imagine the kernel replacing libs in memory with something suddenly read off disk. | 17:13 |
| nhaines | Actually, you're supposed to be able to keep running any program... the kernel keeps all the libraries around until all processes that used to use it have stopped | 17:15 |
| nhaines | I think it was the XUL chrome files changing that caused Firefox to break. | 17:15 |
| akk | Yeah, I could imagine firefox noticing and reloading its jar files more easily than I could imagine the kernel doing such a silly thing. | 17:16 |
| akk | Inside the jars, I'd expect JS as a more likely culprit than XUL, but that's another "groundless assertion." | 17:16 |
| nhaines | I'm just glad the browser alerts you now. Very clean. | 17:17 |
| akk | Alerts you that files have changed and you need to restart? | 17:18 |
| nhaines | "Your browser has been updated and needs to be restarted" with a restart button. | 17:18 |
| nhaines | It's an info bar. :) | 17:19 |
| akk | Nice! | 17:19 |
| pleia2 | nhaines: the loco directory actually does handle local timezones, they just need to be set on the venue, I fixed SD's venue | 17:19 |
| nhaines | pleia2: did they get that working finally? | 17:19 |
| pleia2 | nhaines: for events yeah, not meetings :( | 17:19 |
| pleia2 | since meetings are on IRC, no venue | 17:19 |
| akk | I hadn't hit that yet (just installed natty Sunday). I did get one alert at the end of apt-get that "you will need to restart firefox if it's running". | 17:19 |
| nhaines | Timezones are tricky. :) | 17:19 |
| akk | But it was a text alert, not something inside firefox. | 17:19 |
| nhaines | akk: yeah, it notifies you there but if Firefox is actually running it tells you. | 17:20 |
| pleia2 | nhaines: yeah, and it wasn't built with them in mind so shoehorning is tricky | 17:20 |
| nhaines | pleia2: that's another reason the LoCo Directory is disappointing. :/ | 17:20 |
| akk | It's coming from apt-get? Does that mean I can send any notification I want to a running firefox? | 17:20 |
| * akk tries to think of why I'd want to do that, aside from "it sounds like a cool thing to do" | 17:21 | |
| nhaines | akk: there's something either in the post-installation tool or in Firefox that detects the change and triggers the notification, but it's not a free form message thing. :) | 17:21 |
| iheartubuntu | i notice all the flyers i put up at CSULA and Caltech are still up :) | 17:21 |
| akk | iheartubuntu: Now you have to put up flyers that electronically update their date to the next event. :) | 17:21 |
| iheartubuntu | haa! i suppose those will all be removed at some point or people will eventually staple over them | 17:22 |
| akk | I think somebody must clean those boards off periodically. At least, I've been putting up MakerFaire flyers in Mountain View and it's not all "staple things on top of older flyers". | 17:23 |
| akk | (BTW, you can get free passes to Maker Faire by posting flyers -- see their "street team" page) | 17:23 |
| projectdp | i'll donate a laptop lcd for the electronically updating flyers | 17:28 |
| projectdp | just signed up for maker faire street team :) | 17:37 |
| projectdp | hey seidos | 17:45 |
| seidos | hey projectdp | 18:41 |
| nightmorph | nhaines: ah, okay, thanks for clarifying. 6PM it is! | 18:45 |
| pleia2 | nightmorph: 7pm! | 18:45 |
| nightmorph | er, right, 7 | 18:46 |
| nightmorph | hello, typo | 18:46 |
| pleia2 | :) | 18:46 |
| nightmorph | so...what all goes on? this'll be my first | 18:46 |
| pleia2 | drink coffee, eat muffins, talk about ubuntu | 18:46 |
| pleia2 | if you scroll down to the bottom you will see some photos from other ubuntu hours: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/609/detail/ | 18:47 |
| nightmorph | mmm, muffins | 18:49 |
| iheartubuntu | as with most new ubuntu releases i notice more programs in the software center. for all the gals running Natty already, you can do a search on "cycle" to monitor your cycles. very simple program that can also be password protected | 18:51 |
| * pleia2 cli person, prefers mencal ;) | 18:52 | |
| iheartubuntu | do u have a link to that | 18:53 |
| pleia2 | package is mencal, http://www.kyberdigi.cz/projects/mencal/english.html | 18:53 |
| iheartubuntu | is it in software center? | 18:54 |
| pleia2 | yep | 18:54 |
| iheartubuntu | it is | 18:54 |
| iheartubuntu | (blog post material) | 18:54 |
| nhaines | Huh, I immediately assumed you were talking about CPU cycles and almost made a TRON light cycle joke. | 18:54 |
| pleia2 | "gals" is what tipped me off :) | 18:55 |
| nhaines | Sounds like useful programs, though. | 18:55 |
| iheartubuntu | i thought "mencal" was to track mens moods or something | 18:55 |
| iheartubuntu | cause , ya know, we dont have moods :D | 18:55 |
| pleia2 | yeah, but they are unpredictable ;) | 18:55 |
| nhaines | haha | 18:55 |
| iheartubuntu | mencal is thru terminal, the cycle one (which is old) is graphical | 18:57 |
| iheartubuntu | im surprised cycle wasnt in software center long ago | 18:57 |
| pleia2 | there aren't a ton of women doing debian development (statistics! http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWomen/Statistics) and such things tend to get overlooked by guys, these days the debian-med maintains mencal | 18:59 |
| pleia2 | (amaya@debian was the original packager of mencal, ana@debian does cycle) | 19:00 |
| iheartubuntu | i would think that would be a big plus in getting more women using linux... more apps for the gals | 19:16 |
| nightmorph | eh, i showed my wife a couple such apps, but after some vague interest, was met with "meh" | 19:16 |
| nightmorph | apparently the little pillstrip is an adequate calendar | 19:17 |
| pleia2 | iheartubuntu: I am not sure I'd say "big plus" :) but it doesn't hurt | 19:18 |
| iheartubuntu | and there is an app now in chrome called strawberry op something | 19:19 |
| iheartubuntu | or | 19:19 |
| iheartubuntu | i prefer apps that are offline if i can help it | 19:20 |
| iheartubuntu | still wish i had an easy way to use evolution and keep it synced between my home comp and work comp | 19:21 |
| akk | That's a tough problem that I never see anyone address. | 19:22 |
| akk | I guess most people don't care because they just keep their mail in the cloud on gmail or wherever, and depend on being always-online. | 19:23 |
| akk | (or they have good email discipline and don't keep 100 unread messages sitting in their mailboxes :) | 19:23 |
| pleia2 | there used to be google gears for gmail, so you could sync offline, but that was abandoned by google for some reason (sadness!) | 19:23 |
| iheartubuntu | i really like evolution and *want* to use it | 19:24 |
| nightmorph | that sucker's way too slow. plus having to run it all the time just to get mail notifications in the appindicator tray... | 19:25 |
| nightmorph | the alternatives are thunderbird and claws, though; neither of which i'm happy with. i stick to claws on gentoo, though, since it's a smaller compile. | 19:26 |
| iheartubuntu | thunderbird is slow for me on any computer | 19:26 |
| nightmorph | that, too; it was okay for a few years, but it started bogging down far too much, even on an SSD | 19:27 |
| nightmorph | apparently the only other gtk mail client these days is Postler, but it's not much more than a glorified offline interface for gmail. and it doesn't have thread stacking the way gmail does, so i'm not attracted to its presentation | 19:30 |
| iheartubuntu | have u heard of atmail? i would love if single users could use it | 20:12 |
| seidos | i want to use mutt, but apparently it's not easy to configure (surprise surprise) | 21:09 |
| seidos | gasho :) | 21:09 |
| nightmorph | hmm, should i bring a monome and little portable speakers to tonight's meetup, or just bring a laptop | 21:36 |
| nightmorph | i'm just looking to demo what all ubuntu can be used for, but since i've never been to one of these things... | 21:37 |
| === erichammond1 is now known as erichammond | ||
| erichammond | Just started running Natty on my primary laptop used for all personal and work tasks. | 22:37 |
| iheartubuntu | so how is it going? | 22:40 |
| erichammond | pretty smooth sailing so far. | 22:41 |
| erichammond | Something I didn't expect is that I am using the keyboard a bit more for things I used to mouse click. | 22:41 |
| akk | Interesting! I'd seen some people complain that there were fewer keyboard bindings. | 22:42 |
| akk | Do you print? Printing is the only big showstopper I've hit on natty so far. | 22:42 |
| nightmorph | i won't be able to use unity, since i do music production, which means i need a bunch of windows visible all the time | 22:44 |
| nightmorph | thankfully, ubuntu studio made the decision to stick with the default gnome desktop for the forseeable future | 22:44 |
| erichammond | Printing under natty works fine for me to a network printer. | 22:55 |
| erichammond | I am hurting with only 4 workspaces, though. I can't find a way to increase that which could make unity unusable for me. | 22:56 |
| nhaines | I haven't had any trouble printing to my network HP CJ C5499 either. | 22:56 |
| erichammond | Installed compizconfig-settings-manager and increased the number of workspaces (desktop virtual size). | 23:19 |
| nhaines | erichammond: what was your install source? | 23:26 |
| erichammond | download & burn CD | 23:26 |
| iheartubuntu | my HP m2727 works, even my canon inket works at home (with some special debs out on the net) | 23:26 |
| nhaines | erichammond: Beta 2 or daily? | 23:26 |
| erichammond | nhaines: Good question. Not sure but I did update/upgrade. Woud that not bring it up to date either way? | 23:27 |
| nhaines | erichammond: Yes, but I'm asking for a specific reason. Is your workspace switcher icon gray or purple? | 23:27 |
| erichammond | purple | 23:28 |
| nhaines | Great, thanks. :) They've been switching that and the trash icon back and forth in the last two weeks. | 23:28 |
| nhaines | But yeah, keep updateing and in 9 days you'll have Ubuntu 11.04 final. :) | 23:28 |
| erichammond | tash is gray | 23:28 |
| erichammond | I had been running Lucid, but really messed up my CPAN packages, so figured I'd do a fresh install and beat the rush. | 23:30 |
| erichammond | Unity is feeling a little like the old NeXTSTEP which I guess makes sense if it has an Apple influence. | 23:31 |
| nhaines | erichammond: Trash has been moving from a lovely glass trashcan with chrome top back and forth to a stylized "neon glow" icon. | 23:31 |
| nhaines | sabdfl finally decided to keep the glass/chrome icon for this cycle, though. | 23:32 |
| erichammond | I've always removed trash icons in the past. Doesn't seem to be offered as an easy choice here. | 23:32 |
| nightmorph | both unity and gnome3 seem to be taking away normal configuration options for folks | 23:35 |
| nightmorph | especially window-management-wise | 23:35 |
| nightmorph | there's not really a comfortable middle between the two, except "stick with gnome2". or move to a different DE, which is its own bag of issues. | 23:35 |
| erichammond | In the 80's I used to make many dozens of personal customizations to my X window manager. Every time I install or upgrade a system I drop one or two of the customizations I used to make until now I'm almost using the default given me. | 23:37 |
| erichammond | I can see that Unity is going to make it hard for me to use rollover-focus with that application menu moved to the top bar. | 23:37 |
| erichammond | Perhaps it's just another thing pushing me to use the keyboard (Alt brings up menu) | 23:40 |
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