[02:44] <humphreybc> Hey, anyone who's around, could you please mention my nick "humphreybc" in about 5 seconds?
[02:44] <humphreybc> I'm just screenshotting some stuff for Unity
[02:44] <humphreybc> I want to turn the messaging menu blue :)
[02:44] <ajmitch> humphreybc: sure
[02:45] <humphreybc> thanks ajmitch, that did the trick!
[03:16] <TheMuso> /c/c
[03:18] <DBO> am I crazy or does Unity kinda just work now...
[03:31] <ajmitch> DBO: it does seem to be kind of working, even in virtualbox for me
[06:58] <oSoMoN> good morning
[08:03] <didrocks> good morning
[08:13] <MacSlow> good morning everybody
[09:18] <davidcalle> kamstrup, thanks for the help with zeitgeist, here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRM0z9GprQg
[10:58] <apw> is 15s from password to working desktop our expected timeing?
[12:23] <om26er> Hi! can anyone confirm bug 758026 on fresh login?
[12:25] <om26er> (and no 'unity --replace')
[12:57] <om26er> didrocks, bug 754689 I don't see the fix, was something missed?
[12:59] <didrocks> om26er: do you have latest compiz plugins main?
[13:00] <om26er> didrocks, yes, it seems
[13:00] <didrocks> om26er: you should not have the launcher above the wallpaper after the update
[13:02] <hicham> didrocks: any replacement for the old notification area ?
[13:03] <didrocks> hicham: it's the indicators doing that, if you have libunity-misc, you have still a notification area btw (whitelisted)
[13:09] <zniavre> good afternoon
[13:12] <zniavre> http://i.imgur.com/zRSvp.png   > what is the option missing with 'nouveau' driver to get good tooltips launcher display please ?
[13:12] <om26er_> didrocks, Do you plan to disable fade on the closing of Drop-DownMenus to lessen the white flashes as in bug 687567 ?
[13:14] <didrocks> om26er_: no, because it will have other artifacts (and it's too late for such a change), in addition, it won't migrate existing natty user
[13:14] <didrocks> I find that shouldn't be set to high btw
[13:15] <om26er_> synced with upstream, and everyone faces it.
[13:17] <didrocks> not everyone
[13:18] <didrocks> I don't get it on nvidia for instance
[13:18] <didrocks> anyway, it's already set to unity backlog
[13:28] <hicham> didrocks: thanks, any config to whitelist apps, or is it hardcoded ?
[13:29] <hicham> didrocks: another question, is it necessary to patch gtk to get menus on the top bar ?
[13:30] <didrocks> hicham: the whitelisting is in the gsettings schema
[13:30] <didrocks> hicham: and yeah, the gtk patch is needed for exporting the menu
[13:30] <hicham> didrocks: do I need to patch both gtk2/gtk3 ?
[13:31] <didrocks> hicham: you will need to. upstream didn't ack it so it's a distro-patch
[13:32] <hicham> didrocks: any link to why upstream didn't ack ?
[13:33] <didrocks> hicham: I think the bugzilla report should be in the patch header
[13:36] <hicham> didrocks: 043_ubuntu_menu_proxy.patch and and 072_indicator_menu_update.patch ?
[13:37] <didrocks> hicham: I think so, yeah, kenvandine should have the details on that
[13:38] <hicham> didrocks: thanks
[13:38] <hicham> hi kenvandine
[13:42] <didrocks> om26er_: I'll look at bug #758026 later this week (for a natty SRU)
[13:42] <didrocks> om26er_: just for my curiousity, does grid works at login?
[13:42] <didrocks> (I bet it's because of the edge reveal)
[13:43] <om26er_> didrocks, nothing works on login
[13:43] <om26er_> (on the edge I meant)
[13:43] <didrocks> om26er_: grid as well?
[13:44] <om26er_> didrocks, grid works,
[13:44] <didrocks> om26er_: ok, I'll have a try with "reveal on edge" deactivated in ccsm once I'll tackle that
[13:45] <om26er_> didrocks, yeah, thanks.
[13:50] <hicham> didrocks: no luck on finding upstream link for ubuntu_menu_proxy.patch
[13:51] <didrocks> hicham: ask to kenvandine, IIRC, he's the one pushing this patch (with tedg)
[13:51] <hicham> didrocks: when is he online usually ?
[13:51] <didrocks> hicham: should be soon, he lives in the US
[13:51]  * kenvandine is here
[13:52]  * kenvandine reads back
[13:52] <hicham> kenvandine: any upstream gnome bugzilla link about ubuntu_menu_proxy.patch ?
[13:53] <kenvandine> i don't think it was submitted upstream
[13:54] <kenvandine> if i recall correctly, bratsche was told it wouldn't be accepted
[13:54] <kenvandine> or at least not yet
[13:54] <hicham> so it needs more work ?
[13:55] <kenvandine> i don't think it was inline with the vision from upstream
[13:55] <kenvandine> i don't really know the details
[13:55] <kenvandine> dbarth might know
[13:55]  * kenvandine isn't opposed to having it submitted upstream
[13:55] <hicham> what do part do you work on in the unity stack ?
[13:57] <kenvandine> mostly the infrastructure libraries
[13:57] <kenvandine> dbusmenu, appmenu, indicator*
[13:57] <kenvandine> etc
[13:57] <kenvandine> tedg, do you recall if ubuntu_menu_proxy.patch was submitted upstream?
[13:58] <hicham> nice
[13:58] <hicham> the vala bindings fail when using gtk2 in here
[13:58] <kenvandine> hicham, for which package?
[13:58] <kenvandine> dbusmenu?
[13:58] <hicham> kenvandine: yes
[13:58] <kenvandine> you need the EXPORT_PACKAGES patch
[13:58] <hicham> kenvandine: when using gtk3, the bindings are generated
[13:59] <kenvandine> yeah, my  patch got merged in gtk3
[13:59] <kenvandine> not gtk2 yet
[13:59] <hicham> kenvandine: any link ?
[13:59] <tedg> kenvandine, Uhm, not sure.  I know it was discussed, but I'm not sure if we actually submitted it or not.
[13:59] <kenvandine> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=635287
[14:00] <kenvandine> it got marked resolved when it was merged for gtk3
[14:00] <kenvandine> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/gtk/ubuntu/view/head:/debian/patches/065_gir_set_packages.patch
[14:00] <kenvandine> hicham, ^^
[14:00] <kenvandine> that is the current patch we carry in natty
[14:01] <kenvandine> tedg, i seemed to recall someone said the menu proxy patch wouldn't get accepted
[14:02]  * kenvandine will brb
[14:02] <hicham> kenvandine: thanks a lot
[14:03] <chrono86> is there a reason when i select gtk themes that use a dark panel like orta or elementary, my unity panel stays light?
[14:03] <hicham> tedg: that patch is the only missing piece here in fedora, so far
[14:06] <tedg> kenvandine, Yeah, I think that's why we moved it to the "ubuntu" name space.
[14:06] <tedg> hicham, Wow, cool!
[14:07] <chrono86> my panel displays correctly in unity2d and ubuntu classic, but never follows my gtk theme in regular unity
[14:14] <cdbs> om26er_: /move the discussion here
[14:14] <om26er_> ok
[14:14] <cdbs> So, is the gray workspace switcher icon intended?
[14:15] <cdbs> (question for everyone around0
[14:15] <cdbs> )
[14:15] <cdbs> In mockups it doesn't seem to be so
[14:17] <didrocks> cdbs: it is, the mockups wasn't updated
[14:18] <kenvandine> hicham, well anytime you have packaging questions for our stuff... let me know
[14:18] <kenvandine> i'll be happy to help
[14:18] <didrocks> cdbs: there is a bug I fixed this morning about the icon being reverted to humanity one, I'll upload that in a couple of horus with other fixes
[14:18] <kenvandine> cool to see it making it to fedora
[14:18] <didrocks> kenvandine: hicham already managed to get the whole unity in fedora, that's nice! :-)
[14:18] <kenvandine> woot
[14:27]  * kenvandine has to run out for a bit
[14:54] <daker> hello didrocks
[15:18] <cdbs> Fedoral Unity! Sounds niche :) Unity that brings Unity to the entire FOSS world, not only Ubuntu :)
[15:19] <hicham> cdbs : yes, but some pieces are missing still
[15:19] <cdbs> hicham: nevertheless, good effort
[15:20] <hicham> cdbs : practically, it can be now in fedora if we update to latest compiz git
[15:21] <hicham> cdbs : you can have a look at how far I went on http://hicham.fedorapeople.org/unity-packaging/
[15:22] <cdbs> hicham: thanks for the link, oh it appears you're packaging utouch and all other ayatana stuff as well!
[15:23] <hicham> cdbs : it is needed to build unity
[15:23] <cdbs> hicham: well, yeah
[15:24] <cdbs> hicham: okay, I won't trouble you any more, keep up the good work
[15:24] <hicham> cdbs : I filed a bug about a crashing utouch-geis, no answer so far, had to remove some code to have unity working
[15:29] <jcastro> kenvandine: did you talk to kamstrup yet about the lenses?
[15:29] <kenvandine> jcastro, not yet
[15:30] <kenvandine> kamstrup, ping
[15:33] <jcastro> kenvandine: did you see this yet? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRM0z9GprQg
[15:33] <kenvandine> yeah, it's sweet!
[15:34] <MaximLevitsky> why I can't enable cube with unity in ccsm
[15:34] <MaximLevitsky> ?
[15:35] <stefano-palazzo> davidcalle, are you around?
[15:35] <davidcalle> stefano-palazzo, hi
[15:35] <stefano-palazzo> hey :)
[15:36] <stefano-palazzo> I've just seen that video on youtube, just came to tell you
[15:36] <stefano-palazzo> you rock!
[15:36] <MaximLevitsky> In fact if I mess around with manual plugin loading in ccsm, it works just fine
[15:36] <stefano-palazzo> that zeitgeist integration is _awesome_!
[15:37] <davidcalle> stefano-palazzo, ty! It's really buggy at the moment, but I'm working on it.
[15:38] <jcastro> davidcalle: that's not in the PPA is it?
[15:38] <jcastro> oh ok, I will just tell people it's not ready yet
[15:38] <stefano-palazzo> And I shall look at the code as soon as I get a chance, and see what I can learn from it
[15:38] <tanzanux> Hi, since I don't like dark menus I use Radiance theme instead of Ambiance. How can I change the dark backgrounds e.g. in the search desktop?
[15:38] <MaximLevitsky>  why I can't enable cube with unity in ccsm?
[15:39] <jcastro> stefano-palazzo: right, so it's like "man I'm stuck in evolution", summon lens, show evolution tag questions right off the bat.
[15:39] <stefano-palazzo> davidcalle, you should think about talking to the Calibre people, maybe you can integrate with Calibre too
[15:39] <jcastro> MaximLevitsky: the cube hasn't been tested much with unity so it's off
[15:39] <davidcalle> jcastro, no, it's not even in a bzr branch. For now, it's sending a lot of google queries... which result in Google mailing me to say they suspect I'm doing bad things with the API... :-O
[15:39] <jcastro> davidcalle: ok, I'll just say it's a prototype.
[15:39] <MaximLevitsky> jcastro: it can be default off, but why hard depedence?
[15:40] <jcastro> MaximLevitsky: afaik we can't commit to test coverage for it
[15:40] <davidcalle> stefano-palazzo, I'll tell you when I push it on Launchpad.
[15:41] <jcastro> and the people who want it can just mangle it to work, at that point you get to keep both pieces if it breaks. :)
[15:41] <stefano-palazzo> righto, thanks davidcalle
[15:41] <MaximLevitsky> jcastro: why again the hard depedence?
[15:41] <jcastro> I don't know
[15:42] <MaximLevitsky> its not possible to enable cube in ccsm
[15:42] <MaximLevitsky> why?
[15:42] <MaximLevitsky> sure you are allowed to leave it disabled, using the exuse of not enough test coverage, but why hard disable it?
[15:43] <davidcalle> stefano-palazzo, about Calibre, yes it's a cool idea.
[15:48] <MaximLevitsky> so, really there is no reason for that
[15:48] <MaximLevitsky> I have another question
[15:48] <MaximLevitsky> why if I switch to empty desktop and try to launch an existing app, it switches to desktop where it is located?
[15:49] <MaximLevitsky> existing/running?
[15:49] <MaximLevitsky> I always open firefox on several desktops, so that is annoying
[15:51] <davidcalle> jcastro, thanks for the cool blog post! :)
[15:51] <jcastro> \o/
[15:52] <jcastro> MaximLevitsky: clicking on the icon takes you to the running app, to do a new one on a new desktop middle click
[15:53] <zniavre_> hello do i need to add this " Option "ShadowFB" to my xorg.conf to display tooltips launcher with translucidy ?
[15:53] <MaximLevitsky> jcastro: ok, my mouse has no middle button... I use touchpad....
[15:54] <MaximLevitsky> why not to add a menuitem in right meny
[15:54] <MaximLevitsky> menu
[15:55] <jcastro> firefox has one
[15:55] <jcastro> it  has an open new window one
[15:55] <MaximLevitsky> jcastro: on the same desktop...
[15:56] <MaximLevitsky> jcastro: I want to open new empty desktop and start new applications there
[15:56] <jcastro> that opens it on a new desktop for me
[15:56] <MaximLevitsky> it doesn't here, and besides that is not good ether
[15:57] <MaximLevitsky> I want just to open a new empty desktop and while I am on it, open all applications I want
[15:58] <MaximLevitsky> I don't want unity to send me to other desktops
[15:58] <MaximLevitsky> LIke I usually have a desktop for the university homework, a desktop for web browsing, etc...
[15:59] <MaximLevitsky> Please understand that this behavior is not intuitive, no interface did that before
[15:59] <pcgod> win 7 does ;)
[16:00] <MaximLevitsky> and it has virtual desktops?
[16:00] <MaximLevitsky> sure without desktops unity is ok
[16:00] <MaximLevitsky> since yep, it copies win7 or whatever
[16:00] <pcgod> (but shift+left click also opens a new instance for those without a middle mouse button... maybe unity should do the same thing)
[16:01] <MaximLevitsky> also, why there is no way to add a custom launcher to unity?
[16:02] <MaximLevitsky> I have the 'gtku nautilus' launcher on my gnome-panel
[16:03] <MaximLevitsky> if I just lauch that, nautilus icon appears active
[16:03] <MaximLevitsky> so I can't pin it
[16:04] <MaximLevitsky> also top toolbar wastes a lot of space since you can't add anything to it
[16:04] <hicham> the menus are put there
[16:04] <hicham> which saves some vertical space
[16:04] <MaximLevitsky> I know
[16:05] <MaximLevitsky> but I disable that feature because its very unusable
[16:05] <MaximLevitsky> besides, why menu bar is hidden by default?
[16:05] <hicham> to show it on the panel
[16:05] <MaximLevitsky> I mean hidden in the panel
[16:05] <MaximLevitsky> unless you mouse over it
[16:06] <MaximLevitsky> to make it less intuitive?
[16:06] <hicham> no, because the window title is shown over there
[16:06] <MaximLevitsky> yes, but why I need that title?
[16:07] <MaximLevitsky> I have window title on the window
[16:07] <hicham> not when it is miximized
[16:07] <MaximLevitsky> besides both title and munubar can be shown
[16:07] <MaximLevitsky> now pretty much using menu bars is very hard
[16:12] <jcastro> MaximLevitsky: if you create a launcher like on your desktop, you can just drag it onto the launcher
[16:13] <MaximLevitsky> jcastro: I tried that
[16:13] <MaximLevitsky> however, then if I remove it from desktop, it disappears from unity
[16:13] <MaximLevitsky> besides that is cumbersome
[16:14] <hicham> you need to put it somewhere
[16:15] <jcastro> oh I didn't know that removing it from the desktop removed it from the launcher
[16:15] <jcastro> maybe just copy it into .local/share/applications or something
[16:16] <MaximLevitsky> jcastro: oh yeah, it would even be better to create an xml file in .local/share/app8f34/....
[16:17] <MaximLevitsky> but anyway, my major gripes about unity are:
[16:17] <jcastro> I don't know why you're being cynical towards me, I'm just trying to help you
[16:17] <MaximLevitsky> 1. hard block of cube -  that is just nasty
[16:18] <MaximLevitsky> 2. switch to desktop when you try to open a running app
[16:18]  * hicham can use the cube with unity without issues
[16:18] <MaximLevitsky> sure you can
[16:18] <MaximLevitsky> but you can't enable it in ccsm
[16:18] <hicham> why ? crash ?
[16:18] <MaximLevitsky> unless you use dangerous manual pluging selection
[16:19] <MaximLevitsky> because unity depends on wall
[16:19] <MaximLevitsky> and wall conflicts with cube
[16:19] <hicham> in don't have such dependency in here
[16:19] <MaximLevitsky> hicham: what version?
[16:20] <MaximLevitsky> you probably use older version that didn't have that unnesesary depedency
[16:20] <hicham> MaximLevitsky: unity-3.8.4-1.fc15.i686
[16:20] <MaximLevitsky> hicham: aha
[16:20] <MaximLevitsky> the fedora probably patches that sorry for expression stupid depedency
[16:20] <MaximLevitsky> patched
[16:21] <MaximLevitsky> but in ubuntu cube is forced off
[16:22] <MaximLevitsky> it just insults me. It like somebody on purpose without any reasonable reason tries to force me to stop using it
[16:22] <MaximLevitsky> "lack of testing" isn't such reason
[16:22] <jcastro> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/711561
[16:22] <jcastro> the bug shows up as fix released
[16:22] <jcastro> if it doesn't work reopen it
[16:23] <MaximLevitsky> OH!
[16:23] <MaximLevitsky> I updated my VM with ubuntu 11.04 today. probably didn't hit repostries yey
[16:23] <MaximLevitsky> yet
[16:24] <MaximLevitsky> Thats sure deserves the 'suddenoutbreakofcommonsense' tag :-)
[16:24] <jcastro> MaximLevitsky: right, sorry, didn't mean to topple your upcoming flame
[16:24] <jcastro> though it doesn't seem to enable for me and that release is old
[16:24] <jcastro> so you should probably reopen the bug
[16:25] <kamstrup> jcastro, kenvandine: sorry, i'm sprinting in millbank so it's hard to find a free chunk of time
[16:26] <jcastro> kamstrup: I would settle for someone just mentioning to the rest of the team that python lenses don't work on login. :)
[16:26] <kenvandine> kamstrup, ah, did you see the bug report?
[16:26] <hicham> where can I find lenses ?
[16:26] <kamstrup> yeah, saw it - but no good idea off the top of my head ...
[16:27] <kenvandine> kamstrup, afaict the situation got worse yesterday
[16:27] <kenvandine> but that could just be a coincidence :)
[16:27] <jcastro> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/Lenses
[16:27] <kamstrup> does the sample python lens work?
[16:27] <kenvandine> kamstrup, after i posted that comment on the bug, i actually did have a login where the reddit lens failed
[16:27] <kenvandine> kamstrup, i'll test
[16:28] <kenvandine> kamstrup, they all work if i reload unity without logging out/in
[16:28] <kamstrup> kenvandine: probably some io-dependent race
[16:28] <hicham> jcastro: so no lenses are made yet ? still in design ?
[16:28] <kenvandine> last week i was seeing assertions that the sections_model wasn't a Dee.Model
[16:28] <kenvandine> hicham, there are some... not sure if they are linked to from a central place
[16:29] <kenvandine> kamstrup, last week the gwibber lens was working reliably, and last night it started failing too with no code changes
[16:29] <jcastro> hicham: the few that exist are linked on that page
[16:29]  * kenvandine tests the python example lens
[16:29] <jcastro> hicham: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/?s=lenses
[16:29] <kamstrup> kenvandine: well, the one thing that has been in unity is the lazy loading of lenses, but it would be surprising if that was impacting this
[16:30] <kenvandine> kamstrup, didn't that land last week?
[16:30] <zniavre> hello im using the new 173.14-30 nvidia driver and im unable to start unity
[16:30] <kamstrup> kenvandine: s/been/changed/
[16:30] <kenvandine> i could test reverting that
[16:30] <kamstrup> kenvandine: I think so
[16:30] <didrocks> kenvandine: 3.8.10
[16:30] <didrocks> oupss
[16:30] <didrocks> 3.8.8 rather
[16:31] <didrocks> but it was buggy, so -0ubuntu2 has an additional fix
[16:31] <kenvandine> yeah, with that release the AU one started working for me
[16:31] <didrocks> called it double "French fix" :-)
[16:31] <kenvandine> but now they all fail :/
[16:31] <kenvandine> hehe
[16:32] <davidcalle> kamstrup, on a related note, is there a signal when a lens is opened/closed?
[16:32] <kenvandine> yes
[16:32] <kenvandine> davidcalle, i use it in the gwibber lens
[16:32] <kenvandine> what the active property i think
[16:34] <davidcalle> kenvandine, "active" yes, but I've seen it appear if you stop typing, then typing again.
[16:34] <kenvandine> that doesn't sound right..
[16:35] <davidcalle> kenvandine, that's what I've been hitting my head on since two days. :)
[16:37] <kenvandine> kamstrup, the python place fails too
[16:37] <kenvandine> not every time, but it failed 2 out of 4 logins
[16:37] <kenvandine> however the gwibber lens just worked 4 out of those same 4 logins
[16:38] <kenvandine> and the AU lens failed 4 out of those same 4 logins
[16:38] <kenvandine> and the reddit lens failed 3 out of those 4 logins
[16:38] <kenvandine> kamstrup, i added some logging to the gwibber lens, and it looks like it is all functioning
[16:38] <kenvandine> it refreshes data, says it updates the model, etc
[16:38] <kenvandine> but unity never sees it
[16:39] <kenvandine> and it never sees the sections
[16:39] <kenvandine> when it fails that is
[16:39] <kenvandine> if i "setsid unity" after login, they all work fine
[16:55] <jcastro> davidcalle: on an unrelated note, what's with the new icon? the old one was awesome
[16:56] <\sh> kenvandine, ping appindicator pygobject...is there any realworld example for python which subclasses AppIndicator.Indicator? because I'm getting some strange errors here :)
[16:56] <kenvandine> \sh, no... and i tried working on creating an overrides to make subclassing work and it causes segfaults
[16:56] <kenvandine> \sh, but it does work with gi if you don't subclass it
[16:57] <seiflotfy_> guys
[16:57] <seiflotfy_> whats up with python bindings for unity
[16:57] <seiflotfy_> they are crashing all of my unity
[16:57] <kenvandine> ?
[16:57] <\sh> kenvandine, so something like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/596599/ should not work right now at all
[16:57] <kenvandine> seiflotfy_, how so?
[16:57] <seiflotfy_> dunno
[16:57] <seiflotfy_> kenvandine, care to test my youtube-place
[16:58] <kenvandine> \sh, right... not sure why
[16:58] <davidcalle> jcastro, it's a placeholder as I didn't have the time to port the old one to the new lenses icon look.
[16:58] <\sh> kenvandine, well it thinks it's a gobject alone and doesn't like any other arguments then self ;-)
[16:58] <seiflotfy_> kenvandine, https://code.launchpad.net/~seif/+junk/youtube-place
[16:58] <seiflotfy_> try it
[16:58] <kenvandine> \sh, this does work though http://paste.ubuntu.com/596600/
[16:58] <kenvandine> seiflotfy_, i will after lunch
[16:59] <kenvandine> i gotta run out in a few minutes
[16:59] <\sh> anyways, if there is another way, it's not a problem...
[16:59] <\sh> kenvandine, yes, this works :)
[16:59] <kenvandine> \sh, well it is annoying ...  actually it mostly annoys me because i couldn't fix it :)
[16:59] <kenvandine> i need to spend more time on it
[16:59] <hicham> seiflotfy_: a place for youtube ?
[16:59] <kenvandine> but shouldn't be a blocker, there is another way
[16:59] <kenvandine> seiflotfy_, is this different than the youtube place njpatel had?
[17:00] <seiflotfy_> yeah
[17:00] <seiflotfy_> kenvandine, its in python
[17:00] <seiflotfy_> hicham, yeah
[17:00] <\sh> kenvandine, btw..without         set_icon_theme_path("/usr/share/icons") the indicators (without gi) don't work as described in the examples...it doesn't show the messages-new icon in the panel
[17:00] <kenvandine> ok
[17:00] <kenvandine> seiflotfy_, we are having some problems right now getting python lenses loading at login time
[17:00] <kenvandine> i am debugging that now
[17:00] <kenvandine> \sh, weird, file a bug please
[17:00] <\sh> kenvandine, ok
[17:01] <kenvandine> seiflotfy_, but if you "setsid unity" after login it works
[17:01] <seiflotfy_> kenvandine, while mine crashes unity
[17:01]  * kenvandine disappears for lunch
[17:01] <seiflotfy_> i dont have a provlem getting it running
[17:01] <seiflotfy_> i have issues clikcing on stuff without making it crash all of unity
[17:02] <and471> seiflotfy_, just don't click anything then
[17:02] <and471> ;P
[18:54] <kenvandine> jcastro, ok... reverting the lazy loading in unity fixes it
[18:55] <jcastro> kenvandine: yeah but the AU lens didn't work for me pre-lazy loading
[18:55] <jcastro> kenvandine: if if all 4 of them work for you and you've tested it ...
[18:55] <kenvandine> it was working for me then and is working for me now
[18:55] <kenvandine> the books one isn't working, but it seems like a different problem
[18:55] <kenvandine> the daemon is crashing
[18:55] <kenvandine> but the others worked 5 of 5 logins
[18:56] <kenvandine> the really puzzling thing with this is why it only seems to be affecting the python lenses
[18:56] <kenvandine> maybe the python ones are just the slowest...
[18:57]  * kenvandine looks through the diff to see try to narrow it down
[19:57] <chrono86> is there a reason my gdm screen resolution is so low? after i boot into unity it fixes itself
[21:19] <zniavre> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/767613
[21:37] <LouisDK> Hi. I have some problems with Unity on my netbook. It has been updated to Ubuntu 11.04 from 10.10 when 11.04 was in alpha. Some settings seems locked also with a newly created user. Is the the right channel to ask?
[21:42] <AlanBell> hi, we have been having some discussion in our loco about the unity default settings for compiz and I was wondering if there was a document or something relating to some of the decisions behind the settings
[21:43] <AlanBell> for example shift-switcher is off by default, so super+tab does nothing, however by turning that plugin on by default it would do a pretty window switcher. Super+tab is apparently the key binding on windows for something called Aero flip which looks the same but not as pretty.
[21:45] <AlanBell> enhanced zoom is great, but for some reason it is off by default and does not have the mouse bindings set so you can't do super+mousewheel to zoom in and out
[21:47] <popey> i can see why zoom isnt disabled
[21:47] <popey> at a guess
[21:47] <popey> people get stuck in effects they cant get out of
[21:48] <AlanBell> that would be a plausible reason for not enabling it by default, but why remove the bindings?
[21:49] <popey> do they do something else?
[21:49] <AlanBell> nope
[21:50] <AlanBell> right now you have to install ccsm, enable the plugin, edit the mouse binding for zoom in and zoom out, and know that button 4 means mouse scroll wheel forward and button 5 is mouse scroll wheel back
[21:50] <vish> AlanBell: was shiftswitcher previously ON by default?
[21:50] <AlanBell> vish: I don't think so
[21:52] <AlanBell> I can't see any reason for it not to be on by default though, especially as some people may already be familiar with the keybinding
[21:53] <vish> probably something to do with not having too many plugins unnecessarily ON, memory or whatever; but better to ask when didrocks or smspillaz are online..
[21:54] <vish> or we can poke DBO ;p
[21:54] <DBO> ouch
[21:55] <AlanBell> I can see some plugins have a performance hit and are pointless bling (water, fire, wobbly windows)
[21:55] <AlanBell> but shift switcher has no performance impact when not actually shifting in a switchy way
[21:55] <DBO> actually it does
[21:55] <DBO> all plugins have a performance impact when activated
[21:56] <DBO> (they get suck into the processing chain)
[21:56] <AlanBell> hmm, it is not asking the GPU to animate anything though
[22:00] <vish> sladen: Bug 760656 is for Natty? or postponed?
[22:01] <AlanBell> DBO: so is that why shift switcher is off by default?
[22:01] <DBO> not to my knowledge
[22:06]  * AlanBell wonders what the best way forward is
[22:08] <AlanBell> I *could* go through the preferences and file a bug for every setting that doesn't meet my preference :)
[22:09] <AlanBell> however I am not sure that is the best way to have a discussion of default preference settings
[22:10] <sladen> vish: SRU.  Answer on the bug
[22:11] <vish> oh! seems a bit of a larger UI change there for an SRU