[02:44] Hey, anyone who's around, could you please mention my nick "humphreybc" in about 5 seconds? [02:44] I'm just screenshotting some stuff for Unity [02:44] I want to turn the messaging menu blue :) [02:44] humphreybc: sure [02:45] thanks ajmitch, that did the trick! [03:16] /c/c [03:18] am I crazy or does Unity kinda just work now... [03:31] DBO: it does seem to be kind of working, even in virtualbox for me [06:58] good morning === smspilla1|zzz is now known as smspillaz [08:03] good morning [08:13] good morning everybody === rodrigo__ is now known as rodrigo_ [09:18] kamstrup, thanks for the help with zeitgeist, here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRM0z9GprQg === zyga-afk is now known as zyga === Guest27753 is now known as jbache === daker_ is now known as daker === mhr3_ is now known as mhr3 [10:58] is 15s from password to working desktop our expected timeing? === yofel_ is now known as yofel === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch === ubuntu is now known as om26er [12:23] Hi! can anyone confirm bug 758026 on fresh login? [12:23] Launchpad bug 758026 in unity (Ubuntu) "Left pixel of launcher is not clickable" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/758026 [12:25] (and no 'unity --replace') [12:57] didrocks, bug 754689 I don't see the fix, was something missed? [12:57] Launchpad bug 754689 in unity (Ubuntu) "[FFE] Centered layout for expo plugin" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/754689 [12:59] om26er: do you have latest compiz plugins main? [13:00] didrocks, yes, it seems [13:00] om26er: you should not have the launcher above the wallpaper after the update [13:02] didrocks: any replacement for the old notification area ? [13:03] hicham: it's the indicators doing that, if you have libunity-misc, you have still a notification area btw (whitelisted) [13:09] good afternoon [13:12] http://i.imgur.com/zRSvp.png > what is the option missing with 'nouveau' driver to get good tooltips launcher display please ? [13:12] didrocks, Do you plan to disable fade on the closing of Drop-DownMenus to lessen the white flashes as in bug 687567 ? [13:12] Launchpad bug 687567 in unity (Ubuntu) "Global menu causes white "flashes" when scrubbing/moving with mouse fast over menus" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/687567 [13:14] om26er_: no, because it will have other artifacts (and it's too late for such a change), in addition, it won't migrate existing natty user [13:14] I find that shouldn't be set to high btw [13:15] synced with upstream, and everyone faces it. [13:17] not everyone [13:18] I don't get it on nvidia for instance [13:18] anyway, it's already set to unity backlog === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [13:28] didrocks: thanks, any config to whitelist apps, or is it hardcoded ? === alecu-away is now known as alecu [13:29] didrocks: another question, is it necessary to patch gtk to get menus on the top bar ? [13:30] hicham: the whitelisting is in the gsettings schema [13:30] hicham: and yeah, the gtk patch is needed for exporting the menu [13:30] didrocks: do I need to patch both gtk2/gtk3 ? [13:31] hicham: you will need to. upstream didn't ack it so it's a distro-patch [13:32] didrocks: any link to why upstream didn't ack ? [13:33] hicham: I think the bugzilla report should be in the patch header [13:36] didrocks: 043_ubuntu_menu_proxy.patch and and 072_indicator_menu_update.patch ? [13:37] hicham: I think so, yeah, kenvandine should have the details on that [13:38] didrocks: thanks [13:38] hi kenvandine [13:42] om26er_: I'll look at bug #758026 later this week (for a natty SRU) [13:42] Launchpad bug 758026 in unity (Ubuntu) "Left pixel of launcher is not clickable on session start" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/758026 [13:42] om26er_: just for my curiousity, does grid works at login? [13:42] (I bet it's because of the edge reveal) [13:43] didrocks, nothing works on login [13:43] (on the edge I meant) [13:43] om26er_: grid as well? [13:44] didrocks, grid works, [13:44] om26er_: ok, I'll have a try with "reveal on edge" deactivated in ccsm once I'll tackle that [13:45] didrocks, yeah, thanks. [13:50] didrocks: no luck on finding upstream link for ubuntu_menu_proxy.patch [13:51] hicham: ask to kenvandine, IIRC, he's the one pushing this patch (with tedg) [13:51] didrocks: when is he online usually ? [13:51] hicham: should be soon, he lives in the US [13:51] * kenvandine is here [13:52] * kenvandine reads back [13:52] kenvandine: any upstream gnome bugzilla link about ubuntu_menu_proxy.patch ? [13:53] i don't think it was submitted upstream [13:54] if i recall correctly, bratsche was told it wouldn't be accepted [13:54] or at least not yet [13:54] so it needs more work ? [13:55] i don't think it was inline with the vision from upstream [13:55] i don't really know the details [13:55] dbarth might know [13:55] * kenvandine isn't opposed to having it submitted upstream [13:55] what do part do you work on in the unity stack ? [13:57] mostly the infrastructure libraries [13:57] dbusmenu, appmenu, indicator* [13:57] etc [13:57] tedg, do you recall if ubuntu_menu_proxy.patch was submitted upstream? [13:58] nice [13:58] the vala bindings fail when using gtk2 in here [13:58] hicham, for which package? [13:58] dbusmenu? [13:58] kenvandine: yes [13:58] you need the EXPORT_PACKAGES patch [13:58] kenvandine: when using gtk3, the bindings are generated [13:59] yeah, my patch got merged in gtk3 [13:59] not gtk2 yet [13:59] kenvandine: any link ? [13:59] kenvandine, Uhm, not sure. I know it was discussed, but I'm not sure if we actually submitted it or not. [13:59] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=635287 [13:59] Gnome bug 635287 in general "Specify packages when generating GIR" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] [14:00] it got marked resolved when it was merged for gtk3 [14:00] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/gtk/ubuntu/view/head:/debian/patches/065_gir_set_packages.patch [14:00] hicham, ^^ [14:00] that is the current patch we carry in natty [14:01] tedg, i seemed to recall someone said the menu proxy patch wouldn't get accepted [14:02] * kenvandine will brb [14:02] kenvandine: thanks a lot [14:03] is there a reason when i select gtk themes that use a dark panel like orta or elementary, my unity panel stays light? [14:03] tedg: that patch is the only missing piece here in fedora, so far [14:06] kenvandine, Yeah, I think that's why we moved it to the "ubuntu" name space. [14:06] hicham, Wow, cool! [14:07] my panel displays correctly in unity2d and ubuntu classic, but never follows my gtk theme in regular unity [14:14] om26er_: /move the discussion here === m_conley_away is now known as m_conley [14:14] ok [14:14] So, is the gray workspace switcher icon intended? [14:15] (question for everyone around0 [14:15] ) [14:15] In mockups it doesn't seem to be so [14:17] cdbs: it is, the mockups wasn't updated [14:18] hicham, well anytime you have packaging questions for our stuff... let me know [14:18] i'll be happy to help [14:18] cdbs: there is a bug I fixed this morning about the icon being reverted to humanity one, I'll upload that in a couple of horus with other fixes [14:18] cool to see it making it to fedora [14:18] kenvandine: hicham already managed to get the whole unity in fedora, that's nice! :-) [14:18] woot [14:27] * kenvandine has to run out for a bit [14:54] hello didrocks === clarita_ is now known as clarita [15:18] Fedoral Unity! Sounds niche :) Unity that brings Unity to the entire FOSS world, not only Ubuntu :) [15:19] cdbs : yes, but some pieces are missing still [15:19] hicham: nevertheless, good effort [15:20] cdbs : practically, it can be now in fedora if we update to latest compiz git [15:21] cdbs : you can have a look at how far I went on http://hicham.fedorapeople.org/unity-packaging/ [15:22] hicham: thanks for the link, oh it appears you're packaging utouch and all other ayatana stuff as well! [15:23] cdbs : it is needed to build unity [15:23] hicham: well, yeah [15:24] hicham: okay, I won't trouble you any more, keep up the good work [15:24] cdbs : I filed a bug about a crashing utouch-geis, no answer so far, had to remove some code to have unity working [15:29] kenvandine: did you talk to kamstrup yet about the lenses? [15:29] jcastro, not yet [15:30] kamstrup, ping [15:33] kenvandine: did you see this yet? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRM0z9GprQg [15:33] yeah, it's sweet! [15:34] why I can't enable cube with unity in ccsm [15:34] ? [15:35] davidcalle, are you around? [15:35] stefano-palazzo, hi [15:35] hey :) [15:36] I've just seen that video on youtube, just came to tell you [15:36] you rock! [15:36] In fact if I mess around with manual plugin loading in ccsm, it works just fine [15:36] that zeitgeist integration is _awesome_! [15:37] stefano-palazzo, ty! It's really buggy at the moment, but I'm working on it. [15:38] davidcalle: that's not in the PPA is it? [15:38] oh ok, I will just tell people it's not ready yet [15:38] And I shall look at the code as soon as I get a chance, and see what I can learn from it [15:38] Hi, since I don't like dark menus I use Radiance theme instead of Ambiance. How can I change the dark backgrounds e.g. in the search desktop? [15:38] why I can't enable cube with unity in ccsm? [15:39] stefano-palazzo: right, so it's like "man I'm stuck in evolution", summon lens, show evolution tag questions right off the bat. [15:39] davidcalle, you should think about talking to the Calibre people, maybe you can integrate with Calibre too [15:39] MaximLevitsky: the cube hasn't been tested much with unity so it's off [15:39] jcastro, no, it's not even in a bzr branch. For now, it's sending a lot of google queries... which result in Google mailing me to say they suspect I'm doing bad things with the API... :-O [15:39] davidcalle: ok, I'll just say it's a prototype. [15:39] jcastro: it can be default off, but why hard depedence? [15:40] MaximLevitsky: afaik we can't commit to test coverage for it === alecu is now known as alecu-errands [15:40] stefano-palazzo, I'll tell you when I push it on Launchpad. [15:41] and the people who want it can just mangle it to work, at that point you get to keep both pieces if it breaks. :) [15:41] righto, thanks davidcalle [15:41] jcastro: why again the hard depedence? [15:41] I don't know [15:42] its not possible to enable cube in ccsm [15:42] why? [15:42] sure you are allowed to leave it disabled, using the exuse of not enough test coverage, but why hard disable it? [15:43] stefano-palazzo, about Calibre, yes it's a cool idea. [15:48] so, really there is no reason for that [15:48] I have another question [15:48] why if I switch to empty desktop and try to launch an existing app, it switches to desktop where it is located? [15:49] existing/running? [15:49] I always open firefox on several desktops, so that is annoying [15:51] jcastro, thanks for the cool blog post! :) [15:51] \o/ [15:52] MaximLevitsky: clicking on the icon takes you to the running app, to do a new one on a new desktop middle click [15:53] hello do i need to add this " Option "ShadowFB" to my xorg.conf to display tooltips launcher with translucidy ? [15:53] jcastro: ok, my mouse has no middle button... I use touchpad.... [15:54] why not to add a menuitem in right meny [15:54] menu [15:55] firefox has one [15:55] it has an open new window one [15:55] jcastro: on the same desktop... [15:56] jcastro: I want to open new empty desktop and start new applications there [15:56] that opens it on a new desktop for me [15:56] it doesn't here, and besides that is not good ether [15:57] I want just to open a new empty desktop and while I am on it, open all applications I want [15:58] I don't want unity to send me to other desktops [15:58] LIke I usually have a desktop for the university homework, a desktop for web browsing, etc... [15:59] Please understand that this behavior is not intuitive, no interface did that before [15:59] win 7 does ;) [16:00] and it has virtual desktops? [16:00] sure without desktops unity is ok [16:00] since yep, it copies win7 or whatever [16:00] (but shift+left click also opens a new instance for those without a middle mouse button... maybe unity should do the same thing) [16:01] also, why there is no way to add a custom launcher to unity? [16:02] I have the 'gtku nautilus' launcher on my gnome-panel [16:03] if I just lauch that, nautilus icon appears active [16:03] so I can't pin it [16:04] also top toolbar wastes a lot of space since you can't add anything to it [16:04] the menus are put there [16:04] which saves some vertical space [16:04] I know === API is now known as apinheiro [16:05] but I disable that feature because its very unusable [16:05] besides, why menu bar is hidden by default? [16:05] to show it on the panel [16:05] I mean hidden in the panel [16:05] unless you mouse over it [16:06] to make it less intuitive? [16:06] no, because the window title is shown over there [16:06] yes, but why I need that title? [16:07] I have window title on the window [16:07] not when it is miximized [16:07] besides both title and munubar can be shown [16:07] now pretty much using menu bars is very hard [16:12] MaximLevitsky: if you create a launcher like on your desktop, you can just drag it onto the launcher [16:13] jcastro: I tried that [16:13] however, then if I remove it from desktop, it disappears from unity [16:13] besides that is cumbersome [16:14] you need to put it somewhere [16:15] oh I didn't know that removing it from the desktop removed it from the launcher [16:15] maybe just copy it into .local/share/applications or something [16:16] jcastro: oh yeah, it would even be better to create an xml file in .local/share/app8f34/.... [16:17] but anyway, my major gripes about unity are: [16:17] I don't know why you're being cynical towards me, I'm just trying to help you [16:17] 1. hard block of cube - that is just nasty [16:18] 2. switch to desktop when you try to open a running app [16:18] * hicham can use the cube with unity without issues [16:18] sure you can [16:18] but you can't enable it in ccsm [16:18] why ? crash ? [16:18] unless you use dangerous manual pluging selection [16:19] because unity depends on wall [16:19] and wall conflicts with cube [16:19] in don't have such dependency in here [16:19] hicham: what version? [16:20] you probably use older version that didn't have that unnesesary depedency [16:20] MaximLevitsky: unity-3.8.4-1.fc15.i686 [16:20] hicham: aha [16:20] the fedora probably patches that sorry for expression stupid depedency [16:20] patched [16:21] but in ubuntu cube is forced off [16:22] it just insults me. It like somebody on purpose without any reasonable reason tries to force me to stop using it [16:22] "lack of testing" isn't such reason [16:22] https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/711561 [16:22] Ubuntu bug 711561 in unity (Ubuntu) "Compiz won't allow Desktop Cube plugin to load with unity" [Wishlist,Fix released] [16:22] the bug shows up as fix released [16:22] if it doesn't work reopen it [16:23] OH! [16:23] I updated my VM with ubuntu 11.04 today. probably didn't hit repostries yey [16:23] yet [16:24] Thats sure deserves the 'suddenoutbreakofcommonsense' tag :-) [16:24] MaximLevitsky: right, sorry, didn't mean to topple your upcoming flame [16:24] though it doesn't seem to enable for me and that release is old [16:24] so you should probably reopen the bug [16:25] jcastro, kenvandine: sorry, i'm sprinting in millbank so it's hard to find a free chunk of time [16:26] kamstrup: I would settle for someone just mentioning to the rest of the team that python lenses don't work on login. :) [16:26] kamstrup, ah, did you see the bug report? [16:26] where can I find lenses ? [16:26] yeah, saw it - but no good idea off the top of my head ... [16:27] kamstrup, afaict the situation got worse yesterday [16:27] but that could just be a coincidence :) [16:27] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/Lenses [16:27] does the sample python lens work? [16:27] kamstrup, after i posted that comment on the bug, i actually did have a login where the reddit lens failed [16:27] kamstrup, i'll test [16:28] kamstrup, they all work if i reload unity without logging out/in [16:28] kenvandine: probably some io-dependent race [16:28] jcastro: so no lenses are made yet ? still in design ? [16:28] last week i was seeing assertions that the sections_model wasn't a Dee.Model [16:28] hicham, there are some... not sure if they are linked to from a central place [16:29] kamstrup, last week the gwibber lens was working reliably, and last night it started failing too with no code changes [16:29] hicham: the few that exist are linked on that page [16:29] * kenvandine tests the python example lens [16:29] hicham: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/?s=lenses [16:29] kenvandine: well, the one thing that has been in unity is the lazy loading of lenses, but it would be surprising if that was impacting this [16:30] kamstrup, didn't that land last week? [16:30] hello im using the new 173.14-30 nvidia driver and im unable to start unity [16:30] kenvandine: s/been/changed/ [16:30] i could test reverting that [16:30] kenvandine: I think so [16:30] kenvandine: 3.8.10 [16:30] oupss [16:30] 3.8.8 rather [16:31] but it was buggy, so -0ubuntu2 has an additional fix [16:31] yeah, with that release the AU one started working for me [16:31] called it double "French fix" :-) [16:31] but now they all fail :/ [16:31] hehe [16:32] kamstrup, on a related note, is there a signal when a lens is opened/closed? [16:32] yes [16:32] davidcalle, i use it in the gwibber lens [16:32] what the active property i think [16:34] kenvandine, "active" yes, but I've seen it appear if you stop typing, then typing again. [16:34] that doesn't sound right.. [16:35] kenvandine, that's what I've been hitting my head on since two days. :) [16:37] kamstrup, the python place fails too [16:37] not every time, but it failed 2 out of 4 logins [16:37] however the gwibber lens just worked 4 out of those same 4 logins [16:38] and the AU lens failed 4 out of those same 4 logins [16:38] and the reddit lens failed 3 out of those 4 logins === bregma is now known as bregma|puppybrea [16:38] kamstrup, i added some logging to the gwibber lens, and it looks like it is all functioning [16:38] it refreshes data, says it updates the model, etc [16:38] but unity never sees it [16:39] and it never sees the sections [16:39] when it fails that is [16:39] if i "setsid unity" after login, they all work fine === Cimi_ is now known as Cimi [16:55] davidcalle: on an unrelated note, what's with the new icon? the old one was awesome [16:56] <\sh> kenvandine, ping appindicator pygobject...is there any realworld example for python which subclasses AppIndicator.Indicator? because I'm getting some strange errors here :) [16:56] \sh, no... and i tried working on creating an overrides to make subclassing work and it causes segfaults [16:56] \sh, but it does work with gi if you don't subclass it [16:57] guys [16:57] whats up with python bindings for unity [16:57] they are crashing all of my unity [16:57] ? [16:57] <\sh> kenvandine, so something like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/596599/ should not work right now at all [16:57] seiflotfy_, how so? [16:57] dunno [16:57] kenvandine, care to test my youtube-place [16:58] \sh, right... not sure why [16:58] jcastro, it's a placeholder as I didn't have the time to port the old one to the new lenses icon look. [16:58] <\sh> kenvandine, well it thinks it's a gobject alone and doesn't like any other arguments then self ;-) [16:58] kenvandine, https://code.launchpad.net/~seif/+junk/youtube-place [16:58] try it [16:58] \sh, this does work though http://paste.ubuntu.com/596600/ [16:58] seiflotfy_, i will after lunch [16:59] i gotta run out in a few minutes [16:59] <\sh> anyways, if there is another way, it's not a problem... [16:59] <\sh> kenvandine, yes, this works :) [16:59] \sh, well it is annoying ... actually it mostly annoys me because i couldn't fix it :) [16:59] i need to spend more time on it [16:59] seiflotfy_: a place for youtube ? [16:59] but shouldn't be a blocker, there is another way [16:59] seiflotfy_, is this different than the youtube place njpatel had? [17:00] yeah === seb128_ is now known as seb128 [17:00] kenvandine, its in python [17:00] hicham, yeah [17:00] <\sh> kenvandine, btw..without set_icon_theme_path("/usr/share/icons") the indicators (without gi) don't work as described in the examples...it doesn't show the messages-new icon in the panel [17:00] ok [17:00] seiflotfy_, we are having some problems right now getting python lenses loading at login time [17:00] i am debugging that now [17:00] \sh, weird, file a bug please [17:00] <\sh> kenvandine, ok [17:01] seiflotfy_, but if you "setsid unity" after login it works [17:01] kenvandine, while mine crashes unity [17:01] * kenvandine disappears for lunch [17:01] i dont have a provlem getting it running [17:01] i have issues clikcing on stuff without making it crash all of unity [17:02] seiflotfy_, just don't click anything then [17:02] ;P === API is now known as apinheiro === bregma|puppybrea is now known as bregma === alecu-errands is now known as alecu === daker is now known as daker_ [18:54] jcastro, ok... reverting the lazy loading in unity fixes it [18:55] kenvandine: yeah but the AU lens didn't work for me pre-lazy loading [18:55] kenvandine: if if all 4 of them work for you and you've tested it ... [18:55] it was working for me then and is working for me now [18:55] the books one isn't working, but it seems like a different problem [18:55] the daemon is crashing [18:55] but the others worked 5 of 5 logins [18:56] the really puzzling thing with this is why it only seems to be affecting the python lenses [18:56] maybe the python ones are just the slowest... [18:57] * kenvandine looks through the diff to see try to narrow it down [19:57] is there a reason my gdm screen resolution is so low? after i boot into unity it fixes itself === bregma is now known as bregma|walkies === bregma|walkies is now known as bregma [21:19] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/767613 [21:20] Ubuntu bug 767613 in unity (Ubuntu) "unity does not start with nvidia173.14.30" [Undecided,New] [21:37] Hi. I have some problems with Unity on my netbook. It has been updated to Ubuntu 11.04 from 10.10 when 11.04 was in alpha. Some settings seems locked also with a newly created user. Is the the right channel to ask? [21:42] hi, we have been having some discussion in our loco about the unity default settings for compiz and I was wondering if there was a document or something relating to some of the decisions behind the settings [21:43] for example shift-switcher is off by default, so super+tab does nothing, however by turning that plugin on by default it would do a pretty window switcher. Super+tab is apparently the key binding on windows for something called Aero flip which looks the same but not as pretty. [21:45] enhanced zoom is great, but for some reason it is off by default and does not have the mouse bindings set so you can't do super+mousewheel to zoom in and out [21:47] i can see why zoom isnt disabled [21:47] at a guess [21:47] people get stuck in effects they cant get out of [21:48] that would be a plausible reason for not enabling it by default, but why remove the bindings? [21:49] do they do something else? [21:49] nope [21:50] right now you have to install ccsm, enable the plugin, edit the mouse binding for zoom in and zoom out, and know that button 4 means mouse scroll wheel forward and button 5 is mouse scroll wheel back [21:50] AlanBell: was shiftswitcher previously ON by default? [21:50] vish: I don't think so [21:52] I can't see any reason for it not to be on by default though, especially as some people may already be familiar with the keybinding [21:53] probably something to do with not having too many plugins unnecessarily ON, memory or whatever; but better to ask when didrocks or smspillaz are online.. [21:54] or we can poke DBO ;p [21:54] ouch [21:55] I can see some plugins have a performance hit and are pointless bling (water, fire, wobbly windows) [21:55] but shift switcher has no performance impact when not actually shifting in a switchy way [21:55] actually it does [21:55] all plugins have a performance impact when activated [21:56] (they get suck into the processing chain) [21:56] hmm, it is not asking the GPU to animate anything though [22:00] sladen: Bug 760656 is for Natty? or postponed? [22:00] Launchpad bug 760656 in unity (Ubuntu) "Launcher: Background lighting and border is displayed for Workspaces, Apps, Files, Trash (should be turned off)" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/760656 [22:01] DBO: so is that why shift switcher is off by default? [22:01] not to my knowledge [22:06] * AlanBell wonders what the best way forward is [22:08] I *could* go through the preferences and file a bug for every setting that doesn't meet my preference :) [22:09] however I am not sure that is the best way to have a discussion of default preference settings [22:10] vish: SRU. Answer on the bug [22:11] oh! seems a bit of a larger UI change there for an SRU === m_conley is now known as m_conley_away