[02:51] JontheEchidna: How goes that kde4libs update? [02:52] ScottK: somebody accepted it 15 minutes after I uploaded it this morning without any prompting from me. Guess it went fine [02:52] Ok. Cool. [02:52] Wasn't me. [02:52] huh, I assumed it was. I sort've uploaded and ran since I had to get to class [02:54] JontheEchidna: It's there. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs/4:4.6.2-0ubuntu4 [02:55] cool === em is now known as emma === emma is now known as em [07:32] morning [07:34] Does someone find kdevelop-l10n-de_4:4.1.2~maverick1~ppa1 in kubuntu-ppa ? or someone has this package ? look at bug 764820... I don't find it... however I can confirm that kdevelop-l10n-de from maverick archives install translations files. [07:34] Launchpad bug 764820 in Kubuntu PPA "kdevelop-data conflicting with kdevelop-l10n-de" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/764820 [07:38] (fortunately kdevelop-l10n-de install translation files...o_O I mean it installs the same files as kdevelop-data) [07:48] ScottK: That's odd. Akregator hasn't changed that much and it's depends on not much from kdepimlibs. [07:48] I asked the maintainer here beside me and he can't think of anything either, but please make a bug report. [07:48] OK. [07:48] I'll try later. I've still got 4.4 on a laptop at home [07:49] Would it matter I'm starting it through Kontact? [07:49] I'm just about to go to sleep. I'll try and get the bug report done tomorrow. [07:49] That shoulnd't matter, no [07:50] Although it might if the config stuff uses the wrong application name... [08:25] aww, the updater wants to remove my kde again [08:26] jussi: Are you using aptitude? [08:26] ScottK: no, just the gui updater (kpackagekit) [08:26] Oh. OK. [09:10] jussi: that's a good update :p [09:10] * nigelb rrruns [10:04] Riddell: ping [10:06] ScottK: do you still use maverick ? [10:11] hello Artemis_Fowl [10:11] hey [10:12] i've got a question for you [10:12] is there a standard way for a KDE app to determine if it is on a LiveCD? [10:12] nope [10:13] ah ok [10:13] guess I'll go the wild guessing route :) [10:13] thanks anyway [10:14] typically I just do if exists(/usr/bin/ubiquity) but that's not very elegant since you can have ubiquity installed on a full install and if not cross distro of course [10:16] yeah doesn't fit [10:16] I'll have the user confirm the speculations === steveire_ is now known as steveire === yofel_ is now known as yofel [12:37] Hello! [12:38] The libpolkit-qt-1-1 from kubuntu-ppa/backports conflicts with libpolkit-qt-1-0 from maverick. And something seems to depend on the latter, breaking updates. [12:40] qapt-batch is the one depending on 1-0 here [12:40] moonflux: How did you figure that out? I.e. what commandline? [12:40] devurandom: aptitude :) [12:41] aptitude ? [12:41] you can use "apt-cache rdepends " to get a list of packages that depend on too ;) [12:41] just aptitude. then U and e for examine the solution. then staring at the dependencies [12:41] thx tsimpson [12:42] aptitude why also works [12:42] "why" only works if you have the package installed [12:43] Hm, sure? I dont have polkit-qt-1-0 installed and it shows something [12:43] $ aptitude why libpolkit-qt-1-0 \\ i kubuntu-desktop Depends language-selector-qt \\ i A language-selector-qt Depends qapt-batch \\ i A qapt-batch Depends libqapt-runtime \\ p A libqapt-runtime Depends libpolkit-qt-1-0 [12:44] installed or in the database, apparently [12:44] But yes, maybe that works if I have something installed that depends on it. [12:44] Wouldnt work for a completely new package [12:45] Anyway, someone should fix this conflict. :) [12:45] bug 766711 [12:45] Launchpad bug 766711 in Kubuntu PPA "packages will be upgraded: libqapt-runtime" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/766711 [12:46] thx yofel [12:52] hm, I think I've found the reason [12:53] devurandom: you have the updates PPA enabled too right? [12:55] * yofel uploads new muon to backports too [12:56] yofel: you mean kubuntu-ppa/ppa? I've got that one enabled [12:57] yes, jonathan uploaded a muon update there, which gets built against maverick polqt and is now higher than qapt/muon in backports - thus the conflics [12:57] *conflicts [12:58] hm, I don't have muon installed [12:59] moonflux: well, qapt's the issue not muon right, but I need to fix both === rdieter_ is now known as rdieter [12:59] anyway, as long as its fixed... :) [13:42] agateau: mterry wants me to upload dbusmenu with this change, ok with you? https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/libdbusmenu-qt/dont-show-more-icons-than-desired/+merge/58387 [14:00] bambee: My kid's system is still on Maverick. [14:04] ScottK: which version of kdevelop-l10n have you ? [14:06] bambee: we dropped all -l10n packages a while ago [14:06] iirc -data now has all translations, so it would need conflicts against every -l10n package [14:06] same for kdevelop-php kdevelop-php-docs and kdevplatform [14:07] yofel: why does Ralf find kdevelop-l10n-de in the bug ? [14:08] yofel: I agree with your solution, but it's not my question :) [14:09] bambee: well, 4:4.1.2-0ubuntu1~maverick1~ppa1 was the last one we shipped, 4:4.2.0-0ubuntu1~maverick1~ppa1 is the first package that dropped the translation packages [14:09] launchpad doesn't remove old packages if the source package is superseded but the new package doesn't contain the old package anymore [14:09] aaahhh [14:09] ! [14:10] if you want 4:4.1.2-0ubuntu1~maverick1~ppa1 to vanish go to launchpad and explicitely delete it [14:10] now I understand...-_- [14:10] thanks :) [14:10] that's a PPA-only issue, as the archive strips the translations [14:11] someone just needs to do all of the typing for all 4 packages... [14:12] yofel: I just need to read some docs about that, then I can fix it [14:12] you need to add Breaks/Replaces against kdevelop-l10n-de, kdevelop-l10n-fr, (and a few dozen others) [14:13] same for the other 3 packages, they each had their own set of translations they shipped [14:13] ok [14:48] how does one open an URL in kde with the default browser other than calling kfmclient openURL ? [14:50] xdg-open? [14:50] hm, ok - problem is apport which uses kfmclient for KDE which of course isn't installed by default as it's from konqueror [14:51] oh, so you can do it via code [14:51] in that case [14:51] http://api.kde.org/4.0-api/kdelibs-apidocs/kdecore/html/classKToolInvocation.html#a65f2db0a8dcbc322e35fd395dce07a27 [14:54] JontheEchidna: a) I need to do that in python somehow b) I need to be able to run that as current user even if sudo is used - apport right now does http://paste.ubuntu.com/596553/ [14:54] so xdg-open sounds easier if it works [14:54] ah, yeah [14:55] doing that in python would probably be the easy part :P [14:55] so xdg-open sounds good if it works [14:56] doesn't xdg-open just use kfmclient? [14:58] xdg-open calls kde-open on KDE [15:02] apparently xdg-open uses both kde-open and kfmclient [15:17] since we're already in KDE, kde-open works better. xdg-open doesn't do anything useful with sudo [15:18] well, it works, but opens x-www-browser instead [16:04] my network-manager is not able to detect any wifi connections :/ is there any way to force it via terminal? [16:08] why is my n-m giving me so much trouble :( [16:10] yofel: apparently kdevelop-php( it installs kdevphp.mo) and kdevelop-php-docs (it installs kdevphpdocs.mo) don't conflict with kdevelop-l10n (which does not install kdevphp*.mo) [16:10] shadeslayer: I have no idea about multilingual dox. [16:10] so there is just kdevelop-data to fix [16:11] shadeslayer: But I'll take another look at the package if you've uploaded them yet. [16:11] (I have checked all .install files and also buildlogs) [16:17] bambee: no, but kdevelop-php should conflict with kdevelop-php-l10n-* [16:17] arrrff [16:18] yofel: indeed [16:18] ;) [16:20] c2tarun: does 'sudo iwlist scanning' list networks? [16:34] steveire: i can push the packaging to my personal bzr branch, note that it's not very ... clean atm :P [16:45] steveire: bzr branch lp:~rohangarg/kdepim/ubuntu-4.6 [16:46] shadeslayer: what version of kdepim are you packaging? [16:46] KDE PIM 4.5.95 [16:46] why? [16:47] shadeslayer: are you planning to put it into experimental? [16:48] yes [16:48] Riddell: but it has alot of new stuff [16:48] and i mean *alot* [16:48] http://paste.ubuntu.com/595590/ [16:48] shadeslayer: how come it's in your own packaging branch, why not just use the ~kubuntu-members/kdepim/ubuntu-4.6 one? [16:48] Riddell: because it's not finished yet [16:48] me and steveire are working on it, and i'm just showing him what i've done till now :) [16:49] groovy, carry on then :) [16:49] shadeslayer: did you work out what's needed in respect to strigi? [16:49] aren't the translations going to conflict? [16:49] Riddell: it builds fine without the new strigi [16:49] kdepim-runtime i uploaded to ninjas [16:50] shadeslayer: which new strigi? [16:50] no .. builds fine with natty strigi [16:50] iirc they solved the problem upstream [16:51] "According to my fellow KDEPIM devs, the strigi analyzers are not critical on the desktop.however, the mobile version should definitely have a strigi version > 0.7.2" [16:52] * shadeslayer hugs Riddell [16:53] Riddell: does that mean we at Project Neon can poke you with bzr crashes and bugs now? :D [16:55] shadeslayer: not until natty is released! :) [16:55] heheh :P [16:55] yofel: okay, looked at kde-devel today? [16:56] I did, didn't have anything to add to what you said so I stayed quiet [16:56] okay, but that guy has some weird bug... since he didn't give out details, i haven't looked into it myself [17:04] * apachelogger hates waiting for test files to finish downloading [17:04] Riddell: what file did you try gstreamer 4.5 plugin install with? [17:05] works for mp3 here [17:05] apachelogger: don't you have a flipping fast connection ? [17:05] shadeslayer: that does not help if the file is like 5 gib [17:05] O_O [17:05] apachelogger: 5 GB ... test file ... :O [17:05] .prn is superHD these days [17:05] also it got subtitles and multiple audio channels and all that stuff [17:06] shadeslayer: I'm not sure what to do with that paste [17:06] steveire: oh look at the missing files [17:06] steveire: line 115 onwards [17:06] we need to adjust thos files in proper packages [17:06] *those [17:06] Ooh, how do you get it to list everything at once? --list-missing only shows me one at a time [17:07] steveire: there's a pbuilder hook [17:07] don't you have the awesome ninja pbuilder hooks installed? :O [17:07] hooky hooky [17:07] Nope :) [17:07] once more that reminds me that I have to rewrite some hookers [17:07] I've only followed orders [17:07] and setup arm boxes [17:07] meeeh [17:07] apachelogger: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/BuildEnvironment [17:07] erm [17:07] steveire: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/BuildEnvironment [17:08] shadeslayer: yeah, keep tellin' me :P [17:08] Kubuntu/Ninjas/BuildEnvironment (last edited 2009-01-15 18:58:47 by Harald Sitter) [17:08] :P [17:08] apachelogger: dragon and random mp3 podcast [17:08] hahah [17:08] Riddell: a podcast url or a downloaded podcast? [17:08] apachelogger: so is kubotu ready to protect us from skynet? [17:08] apachelogger: downloaded [17:08] or are we going to face Judgement Day after all [17:09] Riddell: anything on stdout when you try it? [17:09] apachelogger: yes, although I don't remember what [17:09] Starting at the top, I don't get the error about tasks-mobile being missing [17:09] Do you disable mobile in your repo? [17:10] Riddell: if you have time, please try again [17:10] steveire: nope [17:10] Riddell: also FWIW it could just be a corrupted packagekit database, that happend to me once [17:10] we don't disable anything, and since we also have a tech preview of Kubuntu Mobile, i think it's best to keep it that way [17:10] steveire: --list-missing will show one at a time if it doesn't install files you have in an .install file. But it will show all installed files at once that aren't in any .install files [17:10] Do you have all the dependencies so that it's not excluded as an optional? [17:11] Oh, so the list you have is files that arent in any install files? [17:11] that + are not listed in not-installed [17:11] The thing is that kubuntu mobile should use different packages [17:12] oh, i don't think these packages are built on ARM yet [17:12] It needs kdepimlibs and kdepim build with -DKDEPIM_MOBILE_UI [17:12] And kdepim-runtime [17:13] And the mobile packages should conflict with the desktop ones. [17:13] That's only if the packages are going to run on an actual mobile target. The define makes kdepim use more mobile suitable dialogs etc. [17:14] For people interested in trying out kdepim mobile on the desktop it's fine as is. [17:14] steveire: should we build the mobile packages only on ARM or on i686 and x86_64 as well? [17:14] Build them everywhere I guess. [17:14] okay [17:14] People should be able to try them out on their desktop etc [17:15] right [17:15] But if deploying to a small/touch screen, build different packages [17:15] * shadeslayer was playing with KDE PIM Mobile on Neon [17:15] Anyway, back to the issue at hand... [17:16] right [17:16] steveire: so do we seperate out the localized HTML Docs into seprate packages? [17:16] My tasks-mobile.install has a /usr/bin/tasks-mobile Does your not [17:16] ? [17:16] * shadeslayer looks [17:17] shadeslayer: Re localized docs, I have no idea. What has kubuntu always done in the past? [17:17] I thought docs were separate [17:17] Especially localised docs [17:17] steveire: i haz /usr/bin/tasks-mobiletoo [17:17] * yofel played around with plasma-mobile in neon once... felt odd [17:17] Riddell: heh i was using emacs wrong all this log [17:17] *long [17:17] i used emacs with -nw :P [17:18] steveire: localized docs sound good [17:18] seperate packages for the docs i mean [17:18] Riddell: Any idea about the localized docs issue? Are they usually made for betas? [17:18] hm... how does one quit emacs? [17:19] yofel: C-x C-c [17:19] thx [17:19] shadeslayer: If you have the tasks-mobile then the tool is giving a false positive, right? [17:20] steveire: i don't see /usr/bin/tasks-mobile listed under list-missing [17:20] oh [17:20] line 115 [17:20] steveire: yes it's a false positive [17:20] And the .desktop file too? [17:22] steveire: normally doc translations are in the kde-l10n-xx language packs [17:22] uh, Kubuntu isn't official edition? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DerivativeTeam/Derivatives [17:22] Does that mean we can exclude them? Any idea why my computer ignored them, but shadeslayers didn't? How do we fix that? [17:23] steveire: but since they can't be for this release they could go in kdepim-doc, but it would mean a lot of replaces/breaks on all the kde-l10n-xx language packs [17:23] same for translations [17:23] Should we bother? [17:23] Is that what you usually do? [17:24] Why can't they be in the proper packages for this release? [17:24] what [17:24] steveire: usually upstream doesn't change its release packaging :) [17:24] steveire: they can't be in kde-l10n-xx because this release isn't being made alongside a KDE SC release [17:24] I mean why can't they be in the kde-l10n-xx [17:24] Ok [17:25] What is the release packaging change? [17:25] steveire: we could script kde-l10n-xx to download the current docs, that's what we do for kdepim 4.4 translations [17:25] steveire: the release packaging change is that kdepim isn't part of KDE SC [17:25] It's not? O_o [17:25] well no, it missed KDE SC 4.5 and 4.6 [17:26] Right. [17:26] I'm getting your point now :) [17:26] steveire, shadeslayer: easiest thing for this beta release would be just not to package translations, it is only a beta after all [17:26] translations or dos [17:26] okay [17:26] docs [17:27] that takes out alot of stuff from that paste [17:27] that means just fix up the icons from the paste and were done [17:28] Change the commenting out of pngs in the package to removal [17:29] And remove knotes-mobile.install [17:33] So why did your tool try to install docs and mine didn't? [17:33] Did you just do a make docs [17:33] ? [17:33] For all languages O_o [17:33] okay /dev/stdout is fun [17:34] steveire: nope, how did you build your package? [17:34] debuild [17:35] Then I guess I didn't have whatever deps are needed to build the docs ,and you used pbuilder which downloaded them automatically? [17:35] shadeslayer: emacs? [17:36] steveire: dpkg-buildpackage should complain about missing deps, so that shouldn't be the case... [17:36] apachelogger: what about it? [17:37] well [17:37] it is emacs [17:37] and it's awesome [17:37] apachelogger: i don't like vim [17:37] emacs != awesome [17:38] awesomewm = awesome [17:38] wait [17:38] awesomewm = awesome + wm [17:38] * apachelogger blinks [17:38] There we go :) [17:38] Balance in the equation there is [17:39] * apachelogger waves fist at hardware [17:39] vim = emacs - hurt hand from doing insane ctrl-key combos [17:39] apachelogger: how is the ATi treating you? [17:39] I presume you mean the ATI? [17:39] iirc it's ATi [17:39] or did they change stuff [17:40] apachelogger: okay ATI it is [17:40] apachelogger: do drivers work on natty? [17:40] oh and what card? [17:41] you are most weird these days [17:41] xorg drivers do never work [17:41] * apachelogger notes that his laptop apparently has overheating problems ^^ [17:42] I shall throw rants at dell until they send me other hardware [17:42] apachelogger: never. buy. a. dell [17:42] nevar .... evar ... [17:42] it's possible to force an upload on launchpad without a revision bump ? [17:42] bambee: no [17:43] bambee: what's the problem? [17:43] I forgot to remove a temp file ... [17:43] shadeslayer: s/a. dell/hardware [17:43] also what is with your .? [17:43] I used a script to generated a well formed list with all kdevelop-php-l10n [17:43] the script wrote into kdevelop-php-1.2.2/list [17:44] I did not remove list,and now build fails [17:44] no, any content change requires a version bump [17:44] (it has nothing to do with build I know, but check the buildlog :D) [17:44] it doesn't matter if it's ~ppa2 or ~ppa128 anyway [17:45] yeah [17:45] yofel: with ~ppa2 launchpad will blame me [17:45] bambee: use ~ppa3 then [17:45] bambee: pro tip, try ppa3 :P [17:45] does not matter, I don't want to add "remove temp file" into the changelog... it's.... ugly o_O [17:46] :D [17:46] WHO CARES... [17:46] hahaha [17:46] it's not like people actually read PPA changelogs anway ^^ [17:47] ^^ [17:47] ok [17:47] * apachelogger really wonders why one cannot run natty on an old kernel [17:48] while unsupported it should work usually [17:48] apachelogger: or just build the a newer kernel that is supported from source [17:49] * apachelogger notes that even PPA changelogs, being changelogs, ought to reflect the complete set of important changes [17:49] shadeslayer: yeah, right, on omap [17:49] if one architecture is fragmented it is omap [17:49] apachelogger: cross compile it? [17:50] i cross compiled a kernel for my Phone on my PC ( but then my phone is ARM ) [18:14] Just tried getting new card thems in KPatience with Kubuntu 11.04 and was told Configuration file not found kcardtheme.knsrc [18:15] !find kcardtheme.knsrc [18:16] File kcardtheme.knsrc found in kajongg [18:16] !find kcardtheme.knsrc natty [18:16] it then crashes! [18:18] O_O [18:18] it seems ... that file was lost in natty somewhere [18:19] oops [18:19] do i need to file a bug on launchpad? [18:20] which is odd, since I have natty, and have kajongg: /usr/share/kde4/config/kcardtheme.knsrc [18:20] i don't have kajongg installed [18:20] yes it looks like it's in the wrong package [18:20] oh right [18:21] yep [18:21] who wants to move that? [18:21] shadeslayer: is that a yep for file a bug? [18:21] mfraz74: please do :) [18:22] shadeslayer: OK [18:22] I can update the package [18:23] ok that file seems to be there from before i added stuff to kajongg .. :P [18:25] mfraz74: let me know when you have a bug number for me [18:25] if I understand bzr annotate right though you were the one that added that :P [18:25] unyes [18:25] maybe i'm looking at the wrong revision [18:26] wow, that's almost a year old now... [18:26] it's not from debian though, they still havn't packaged it [18:27] Riddell: bug 767383 [18:27] Launchpad bug 767383 in Kubuntu PPA "kpatience missing configuration file kcardtheme.knsrc" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/767383 [18:27] we should drop "Suggest: kdevelop-l10n" from kdevelop into archives, imho :) [18:27] bambee: agreed, forgot about it last time [18:27] yofel: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdegames/ubuntu/revision/106#debian/kajongg.install << that was there before [18:27] i just changed the line numbers [18:28] steveire: it's from http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdegames/ubuntu/revision/67.1.1 [18:28] er, shadeslayer ^ [18:29] nobody tried this for almost a year obviously ^^ [18:29] ouch [18:30] fix uploaded, will need approval [18:33] Riddell: thanks [18:34] Should kde-config-cddb be installed by default?] [18:36] no, it's not in our seeds and nobody has so far suggested we need it [18:37] Riddell: could you bump kdevelop for me ? (into archives). Look at this patch http://paste.ubuntu.com/596626/ [18:37] If you configure k3b without it you get a setting just saying something like cddb configuration not available [18:38] bambee: can you paste it into paste.kde.org? [18:38] I can't easily download from p.u.c [18:38] oh sure [18:39] mfraz74: then it would make sense to make k3b suggest it at least [18:39] Riddell: http://paste.kde.org/15205/ [18:39] yofel: then it might be worth adding as a required package for k3b? [18:40] Not sure, it's not a dependency, that's only if k3b wouldn't work at all without it, it might be a recommend if it *should* be installed together with k3b [18:41] mfraz74: it's too late for natty, for oneiric we would have to consider the size on the CD against the benefits [18:42] adding a "click here to install kde-config-cddb" button might be a better idea [18:42] does that affect the CD? IIRC k3b isn't installed by default [18:42] Riddell: that's what I would have preferred [18:42] k3b is on the CD [18:42] ah k [18:43] bambee: None. [18:43] I don't use kdevelop. [18:44] Just found synaptiks [18:46] bambee: uploaded, thanks [18:46] Riddell: thanks ;) === c2tarun_ is now known as c2tarun [19:13] yofel: it's magic [19:13] wb :) [19:18] ScottK: I added report from upgrading to KDE SC 4.5.5 on Maverick [19:18] It was successful and my brother said everything works as he wanted it to. [19:54] Quintasan: Great. Thanks. [19:59] ... [19:59] I'm a genious. [20:00] My 4.1 speakers wouldn't work no matter what I did [20:01] I plugged rear and front speakers to one port with http://www.dom-sklep.pl/_var/imgcache/100/2_klinkenbuchse1_kl_stecker_mo_1.jpg [20:01] and it works [20:01] yofel: ^ [20:01] * yofel remembers linking 2 sets of front speakers like that once ^^ [20:03] hmm [20:03] nope, still not working :/ [20:04] I thought they were working because suddently it was louder than usual but still, rear speakers dont make any sounds :/ [20:07] urgh [20:07] I still can't get those damn speakers to work :/