[02:51] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: How goes that kde4libs update?
[02:52] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: somebody accepted it 15 minutes after I uploaded it this morning without any prompting from me. Guess it went fine
[02:52] <ScottK> Ok. Cool.
[02:52] <ScottK> Wasn't me.
[02:52] <JontheEchidna> huh, I assumed it was. I sort've uploaded and ran since I had to get to class
[02:54] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: It's there.  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs/4:4.6.2-0ubuntu4
[02:55] <JontheEchidna> cool
[07:32] <bambee> morning
[07:34] <bambee> Does someone find kdevelop-l10n-de_4:4.1.2~maverick1~ppa1 in kubuntu-ppa ? or someone has this package ? look at bug 764820... I don't find it... however I can confirm that kdevelop-l10n-de from maverick archives install translations files.
[07:38] <bambee> (fortunately kdevelop-l10n-de install translation files...o_O I mean it installs the same files as kdevelop-data)
[07:48] <steveire> ScottK: That's odd. Akregator hasn't changed that much and it's depends on not much from kdepimlibs.
[07:48] <steveire> I asked the maintainer here beside me and he can't think of anything either, but please make a bug report.
[07:48] <ScottK> OK.
[07:48] <steveire> I'll try later. I've still got 4.4 on a laptop at home
[07:49] <ScottK> Would it matter I'm starting it through Kontact?
[07:49] <ScottK> I'm just about to go to sleep.  I'll try and get the bug report done tomorrow.
[07:49] <steveire> That shoulnd't matter, no
[07:50] <steveire> Although it might if the config stuff uses the wrong application name...
[08:25] <jussi> aww, the updater wants to remove my kde again
[08:26] <ScottK> jussi: Are you using aptitude?
[08:26] <jussi> ScottK: no, just the gui updater (kpackagekit)
[08:26] <ScottK> Oh.  OK.
[09:10] <nigelb> jussi: that's a good update :p
[09:10]  * nigelb rrruns
[10:04] <Artemis_Fowl> Riddell: ping
[10:06] <bambee> ScottK: do you still use maverick ?
[10:11] <Riddell> hello Artemis_Fowl 
[10:11] <Artemis_Fowl> hey
[10:12] <Artemis_Fowl> i've got a question for you
[10:12] <Artemis_Fowl> is there a standard way for a KDE app to determine if it is on a LiveCD?
[10:12] <Riddell> nope
[10:13] <Artemis_Fowl> ah ok
[10:13] <Artemis_Fowl> guess I'll go the wild guessing route :)
[10:13] <Artemis_Fowl> thanks anyway
[10:14] <Riddell> typically I just do if exists(/usr/bin/ubiquity)  but that's not very elegant since you can have ubiquity installed on a full install and if not cross distro of course
[10:16] <Artemis_Fowl> yeah doesn't fit
[10:16] <Artemis_Fowl> I'll have the user confirm the speculations
[12:37] <devurandom> Hello!
[12:38] <devurandom> The libpolkit-qt-1-1 from kubuntu-ppa/backports conflicts with libpolkit-qt-1-0 from maverick. And something seems to depend on the latter, breaking updates.
[12:40] <moonflux> qapt-batch is the one depending on 1-0 here
[12:40] <devurandom> moonflux: How did you figure that out? I.e. what commandline?
[12:40] <moonflux> devurandom: aptitude :)
[12:41] <devurandom> aptitude <what> ?
[12:41] <tsimpson> you can use "apt-cache rdepends <package>" to get a list of packages that depend on <package> too ;)
[12:41] <moonflux> just aptitude. then U and e for examine the solution. then staring at the dependencies
[12:41] <devurandom> thx tsimpson
[12:42] <devurandom> aptitude why <pkg> also works
[12:42] <tsimpson> "why" only works if you have the package installed
[12:43] <devurandom> Hm, sure? I dont have polkit-qt-1-0 installed and it shows something
[12:43] <devurandom> $ aptitude why libpolkit-qt-1-0 \\ i   kubuntu-desktop      Depends language-selector-qt \\ i A language-selector-qt Depends qapt-batch           \\ i A qapt-batch           Depends libqapt-runtime      \\ p A libqapt-runtime      Depends libpolkit-qt-1-0
[12:44] <tsimpson> installed or in the database, apparently
[12:44] <devurandom> But yes, maybe that works if I have something installed that depends on it.
[12:44] <devurandom> Wouldnt work for a completely new package
[12:45] <devurandom> Anyway, someone should fix this conflict. :)
[12:45] <yofel> bug 766711
[12:46] <devurandom> thx yofel
[12:52] <yofel> hm, I think I've found the reason
[12:53] <yofel> devurandom: you have the updates PPA enabled too right?
[12:55]  * yofel uploads new muon to backports too
[12:56] <moonflux> yofel: you mean kubuntu-ppa/ppa? I've got that one enabled
[12:57] <yofel> yes, jonathan uploaded a muon update there, which gets built against maverick polqt and is now higher than qapt/muon in backports - thus the conflics
[12:57] <yofel> *conflicts
[12:58] <moonflux> hm, I don't have muon installed
[12:59] <yofel> moonflux: well, qapt's the issue not muon right, but I need to fix both
[12:59] <moonflux> anyway, as long as its fixed... :)
[13:42] <Riddell> agateau: mterry wants me to upload dbusmenu with this change, ok with you? https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/libdbusmenu-qt/dont-show-more-icons-than-desired/+merge/58387
[14:00] <ScottK> bambee: My kid's system is still on Maverick.
[14:04] <bambee> ScottK: which version of kdevelop-l10n have you ?
[14:06] <yofel> bambee: we dropped all -l10n packages a while ago
[14:06] <yofel> iirc -data now has all translations, so it would need conflicts against every -l10n package
[14:06] <yofel> same for kdevelop-php kdevelop-php-docs and kdevplatform
[14:07] <bambee> yofel: why does Ralf find kdevelop-l10n-de in the bug ?
[14:08] <bambee> yofel: I agree with your solution, but it's not my question :)
[14:09] <yofel> bambee: well, 4:4.1.2-0ubuntu1~maverick1~ppa1 was the last one we shipped, 4:4.2.0-0ubuntu1~maverick1~ppa1 is the first package that dropped the translation packages
[14:09] <yofel> launchpad doesn't remove old packages if the source package is superseded but the new package doesn't contain the old package anymore
[14:09] <bambee> aaahhh
[14:09] <bambee> !
[14:10] <yofel> if you want 4:4.1.2-0ubuntu1~maverick1~ppa1 to vanish go to launchpad and explicitely delete it
[14:10] <bambee> now I understand...-_-
[14:10] <bambee> thanks :)
[14:10] <yofel> that's a PPA-only issue, as the archive strips the translations
[14:11] <yofel> someone just needs to do all of the typing for all 4 packages...
[14:12] <bambee> yofel: I just need to read some docs about that, then I can fix it
[14:12] <yofel> you need to add Breaks/Replaces against kdevelop-l10n-de, kdevelop-l10n-fr, (and a few dozen others)
[14:13] <yofel> same for the other 3 packages, they each had their own set of translations they shipped
[14:13] <bambee> ok
[14:48] <yofel> how does one open an URL in kde with the default browser other than calling kfmclient openURL ?
[14:50] <JontheEchidna> xdg-open?
[14:50] <yofel> hm, ok - problem is apport which uses kfmclient for KDE which of course isn't installed by default as it's from konqueror
[14:51] <JontheEchidna> oh, so you can do it via code
[14:51] <JontheEchidna> in that case
[14:51] <JontheEchidna> http://api.kde.org/4.0-api/kdelibs-apidocs/kdecore/html/classKToolInvocation.html#a65f2db0a8dcbc322e35fd395dce07a27
[14:54] <yofel> JontheEchidna: a) I need to do that in python somehow b) I need to be able to run that as current user even if sudo is used - apport right now does http://paste.ubuntu.com/596553/
[14:54] <yofel> so xdg-open sounds easier if it works
[14:54] <JontheEchidna> ah, yeah
[14:55] <JontheEchidna> doing that in python would probably be the easy part :P
[14:55] <JontheEchidna> so xdg-open sounds good if it works
[14:56] <Riddell> doesn't xdg-open just use kfmclient?
[14:58] <debfx> xdg-open calls kde-open on KDE
[15:02] <bambee> apparently xdg-open uses both kde-open and kfmclient
[15:17] <yofel> since we're already in KDE, kde-open works better. xdg-open doesn't do anything useful with sudo
[15:18] <yofel> well, it works, but opens x-www-browser instead
[16:04] <c2tarun> my network-manager is not able to detect any wifi connections :/ is there any way to force it via terminal?
[16:08] <c2tarun> why is my n-m giving me so much trouble :(
[16:10] <bambee> yofel: apparently kdevelop-php( it installs kdevphp.mo) and kdevelop-php-docs (it installs kdevphpdocs.mo) don't conflict with kdevelop-l10n (which does not install kdevphp*.mo)
[16:10] <steveire> shadeslayer: I have no idea about multilingual dox.
[16:10] <bambee> so there is just kdevelop-data to fix
[16:11] <steveire> shadeslayer: But I'll take another look at the package if you've uploaded them yet.
[16:11] <bambee> (I have checked all .install files and also buildlogs)
[16:17] <yofel> bambee: no, but kdevelop-php should conflict with kdevelop-php-l10n-*
[16:17] <bambee> arrrff
[16:18] <bambee> yofel: indeed
[16:18] <bambee> ;)
[16:20] <yofel> c2tarun: does 'sudo iwlist <interfacename> scanning' list networks?
[16:34] <shadeslayer> steveire: i can push the packaging to my personal bzr branch, note that it's not very ... clean atm :P
[16:45] <shadeslayer> steveire: bzr branch lp:~rohangarg/kdepim/ubuntu-4.6
[16:46] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what version of kdepim are you packaging?
[16:46] <shadeslayer> KDE PIM 4.5.95
[16:46] <shadeslayer> why?
[16:47] <Riddell> shadeslayer: are you planning to put it into experimental?
[16:48] <shadeslayer> yes
[16:48] <shadeslayer> Riddell: but it has alot of new stuff
[16:48] <shadeslayer> and i mean *alot*
[16:48] <shadeslayer> http://paste.ubuntu.com/595590/
[16:48] <Riddell> shadeslayer: how come it's in your own packaging branch, why not just use the ~kubuntu-members/kdepim/ubuntu-4.6 one?
[16:48] <shadeslayer> Riddell: because it's not finished yet
[16:48] <shadeslayer> me and steveire are working on it, and i'm just showing him what i've done till now :)
[16:49] <Riddell> groovy, carry on then :)
[16:49] <Riddell> shadeslayer: did you work out what's needed in respect to strigi?
[16:49] <yofel> aren't the translations going to conflict?
[16:49] <shadeslayer> Riddell: it builds fine without the new strigi
[16:49] <shadeslayer> kdepim-runtime i uploaded to ninjas
[16:50] <Riddell> shadeslayer: which new strigi?
[16:50] <shadeslayer> no .. builds fine with natty strigi
[16:50] <shadeslayer> iirc they solved the problem upstream
[16:51] <shadeslayer> "According to my fellow KDEPIM devs, the strigi analyzers are not critical on the desktop.however, the mobile version should definitely have a strigi version > 0.7.2"
[16:52]  * shadeslayer hugs Riddell
[16:53] <shadeslayer> Riddell: does that mean we at Project Neon can poke you with bzr crashes and bugs now? :D
[16:55] <Riddell> shadeslayer: not until natty is released! :)
[16:55] <shadeslayer> heheh :P
[16:55] <shadeslayer> yofel: okay, looked at kde-devel today?
[16:56] <yofel> I did, didn't have anything to add to what you said so I stayed quiet
[16:56] <shadeslayer> okay, but that guy has some weird bug... since he didn't give out details, i haven't looked into it myself
[17:04]  * apachelogger hates waiting for test files to finish downloading
[17:04] <apachelogger> Riddell: what file did you try gstreamer 4.5 plugin install with?
[17:05] <apachelogger> works for mp3 here
[17:05] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: don't you have a flipping fast connection ?
[17:05] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that does not help if the file is like 5 gib 
[17:05] <shadeslayer> O_O
[17:05] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: 5 GB ... test file ... :O
[17:05] <apachelogger> .prn is superHD these days
[17:05] <apachelogger> also it got subtitles and multiple audio channels and all that stuff
[17:06] <steveire> shadeslayer: I'm not sure what to do with that paste
[17:06] <shadeslayer> steveire: oh look at the missing files
[17:06] <shadeslayer> steveire: line 115 onwards
[17:06] <shadeslayer> we need to adjust thos files in proper packages
[17:06] <shadeslayer> *those
[17:06] <steveire> Ooh, how do you get it to list everything at once? --list-missing only shows me one at a time
[17:07] <shadeslayer> steveire: there's a pbuilder hook
[17:07] <shadeslayer> don't you have the awesome ninja pbuilder hooks installed? :O
[17:07] <apachelogger> hooky hooky
[17:07] <steveire> Nope :)
[17:07] <apachelogger> once more that reminds me that I have to rewrite some hookers
[17:07] <steveire> I've only followed orders
[17:07] <apachelogger> and setup arm boxes
[17:07] <apachelogger> meeeh
[17:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/BuildEnvironment
[17:07] <shadeslayer> erm
[17:07] <shadeslayer> steveire: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/BuildEnvironment
[17:08] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: yeah, keep tellin' me :P
[17:08] <apachelogger> Kubuntu/Ninjas/BuildEnvironment (last edited 2009-01-15 18:58:47 by Harald Sitter)
[17:08] <apachelogger> :P
[17:08] <Riddell> apachelogger: dragon and random mp3 podcast
[17:08] <shadeslayer> hahah 
[17:08] <apachelogger> Riddell: a podcast url or a downloaded podcast?
[17:08] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: so is kubotu ready to protect us from skynet?
[17:08] <Riddell> apachelogger: downloaded
[17:08] <shadeslayer> or are we going to face Judgement Day after all
[17:09] <apachelogger> Riddell: anything on stdout when you try it?
[17:09] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes, although I don't remember what
[17:09] <steveire> Starting at the top, I don't get the error about tasks-mobile being missing
[17:09] <steveire> Do you disable mobile in your repo?
[17:10] <apachelogger> Riddell: if you have time, please try again
[17:10] <shadeslayer> steveire: nope
[17:10] <apachelogger> Riddell: also FWIW it could just be a corrupted packagekit database, that happend to me once
[17:10] <shadeslayer> we don't disable anything, and since we also have a tech preview of Kubuntu Mobile, i think it's best to keep it that way
[17:10] <yofel> steveire: --list-missing will show one at a time if it doesn't install files you have in an .install file. But it will show all installed files at once that aren't in any .install files
[17:10] <steveire> Do you have all the dependencies so that it's not excluded as an optional?
[17:11] <steveire> Oh, so the list you have is files that arent in any install files?
[17:11] <apachelogger> that + are not listed in not-installed
[17:11] <steveire> The thing is that kubuntu mobile should use different packages
[17:12] <shadeslayer> oh, i don't think these packages are built on ARM yet
[17:12] <steveire> It needs kdepimlibs and kdepim build with -DKDEPIM_MOBILE_UI
[17:12] <steveire> And kdepim-runtime
[17:13] <steveire> And the mobile packages should conflict with the desktop ones.
[17:13] <steveire> That's only if the packages are going to run on an actual mobile target. The define makes kdepim use more mobile suitable dialogs etc.
[17:14] <steveire> For people interested in trying out kdepim mobile on the desktop it's fine as is.
[17:14] <shadeslayer> steveire: should we build the mobile packages only on ARM or on i686 and x86_64 as well?
[17:14] <steveire> Build them everywhere I guess.
[17:14] <shadeslayer> okay
[17:14] <steveire> People should be able to try them out on their desktop etc
[17:15] <shadeslayer> right
[17:15] <steveire> But if deploying to a small/touch screen, build different packages
[17:15]  * shadeslayer was playing with KDE PIM Mobile on Neon
[17:15] <steveire> Anyway, back to the issue at hand...
[17:16] <shadeslayer> right
[17:16] <shadeslayer> steveire: so do we seperate out the localized HTML Docs into seprate packages?
[17:16] <steveire> My tasks-mobile.install has a /usr/bin/tasks-mobile Does your not
[17:16] <steveire> ?
[17:16]  * shadeslayer looks
[17:17] <steveire> shadeslayer: Re localized docs, I have no idea. What has kubuntu always done in the past?
[17:17] <steveire> I thought docs were separate
[17:17] <steveire> Especially localised docs
[17:17] <shadeslayer> steveire: i haz /usr/bin/tasks-mobiletoo
[17:17]  * yofel played around with plasma-mobile in neon once... felt odd
[17:17] <shadeslayer> Riddell: heh i was using emacs wrong all this log
[17:17] <shadeslayer> *long
[17:17] <shadeslayer> i used emacs with -nw :P
[17:18] <shadeslayer> steveire: localized docs sound good
[17:18] <shadeslayer> seperate packages for the docs i mean
[17:18] <steveire> Riddell: Any idea about the localized docs issue? Are they usually made for betas?
[17:18] <yofel> hm... how does one quit emacs?
[17:19] <shadeslayer> yofel: C-x C-c
[17:19] <yofel> thx
[17:19] <steveire> shadeslayer: If you have the tasks-mobile then the tool is giving a false positive, right?
[17:20] <shadeslayer> steveire: i don't see /usr/bin/tasks-mobile listed under list-missing
[17:20] <shadeslayer> oh
[17:20] <steveire> line 115
[17:20] <shadeslayer> steveire: yes it's a false positive
[17:20] <steveire> And the .desktop file too?
[17:22] <Riddell> steveire: normally doc translations are in the kde-l10n-xx language packs
[17:22] <Tm_T> uh, Kubuntu isn't official edition? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DerivativeTeam/Derivatives
[17:22] <steveire> Does that mean we can exclude them? Any idea why my computer ignored them, but shadeslayers didn't? How do we fix that?
[17:23] <Riddell> steveire: but since they can't be for this release they could go in kdepim-doc, but it would mean a lot of replaces/breaks on all the kde-l10n-xx language packs
[17:23] <Riddell> same for translations
[17:23] <steveire> Should we bother?
[17:23] <steveire> Is that what you usually do?
[17:24] <steveire> Why can't they be in the proper packages for this release?
[17:24] <shadeslayer> what
[17:24] <Riddell> steveire: usually upstream doesn't change its release packaging :)
[17:24] <Riddell> steveire: they can't be in kde-l10n-xx because this release isn't being made alongside a KDE SC release
[17:24] <steveire> I mean why can't they be in the kde-l10n-xx 
[17:24] <steveire> Ok
[17:25] <steveire> What is the release packaging change?
[17:25] <Riddell> steveire: we could script kde-l10n-xx to download the current docs, that's what we do for kdepim 4.4 translations
[17:25] <Riddell> steveire: the release packaging change is that kdepim isn't part of KDE SC
[17:25] <steveire> It's not? O_o
[17:25] <Riddell> well no, it missed KDE SC 4.5 and 4.6
[17:26] <steveire> Right.
[17:26] <steveire> I'm getting your point now :)
[17:26] <Riddell> steveire, shadeslayer: easiest thing for this beta release would be just not to package translations, it is only a beta after all
[17:26] <Riddell> translations or dos
[17:26] <shadeslayer> okay
[17:26] <Riddell> docs
[17:27] <shadeslayer> that takes out alot of stuff from that paste
[17:27] <shadeslayer> that means just fix up the icons from the paste and were done
[17:28] <steveire> Change the commenting out of pngs in the package to removal
[17:29] <steveire> And remove knotes-mobile.install
[17:33] <steveire> So why did your tool try to install  docs and mine didn't?
[17:33] <steveire> Did you just do a make docs
[17:33] <steveire> ?
[17:33] <steveire> For all languages O_o
[17:33] <shadeslayer> okay /dev/stdout is fun
[17:34] <shadeslayer> steveire: nope, how did you build your package?
[17:34] <steveire> debuild
[17:35] <steveire> Then I guess I didn't have whatever deps are needed to build the docs ,and you used pbuilder which downloaded them automatically?
[17:35] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: emacs?
[17:36] <yofel> steveire: dpkg-buildpackage should complain about missing deps, so that shouldn't be the case...
[17:36] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: what about it?
[17:37] <apachelogger> well
[17:37] <apachelogger> it is emacs
[17:37] <shadeslayer> and it's awesome
[17:37] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i don't like vim
[17:37] <apachelogger> emacs != awesome
[17:38] <Daskreech> awesomewm = awesome
[17:38] <Daskreech> wait
[17:38] <Daskreech> awesomewm = awesome + wm
[17:38]  * apachelogger blinks
[17:38] <Daskreech> There we go :)
[17:38] <Daskreech> Balance in the equation there is
[17:39]  * apachelogger waves fist at hardware
[17:39] <yofel> vim = emacs - hurt hand from doing insane ctrl-key combos
[17:39] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: how is the ATi treating you?
[17:39] <apachelogger> I presume you mean the ATI?
[17:39] <shadeslayer> iirc it's ATi
[17:39] <shadeslayer> or did they change stuff 
[17:40] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: okay ATI it is
[17:40] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: do drivers work on natty?
[17:40] <shadeslayer> oh and what card?
[17:41] <apachelogger> you are most weird these days
[17:41] <apachelogger> xorg drivers do never work
[17:41]  * apachelogger notes that his laptop apparently has overheating problems ^^
[17:42] <apachelogger> I shall throw rants at dell until they send me other hardware
[17:42] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: never. buy. a. dell
[17:42] <shadeslayer> nevar .... evar ... 
[17:42] <bambee> it's possible to force an upload on launchpad without a revision bump ?
[17:42] <shadeslayer> bambee: no
[17:43] <shadeslayer> bambee: what's the problem?
[17:43] <bambee> I forgot to remove a temp file ...
[17:43] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: s/a. dell/hardware
[17:43] <apachelogger> also what is with your .?
[17:43] <bambee> I used a script to generated a well formed list with all kdevelop-php-l10n
[17:43] <bambee> the script wrote into kdevelop-php-1.2.2/list
[17:44] <bambee> I did not remove list,and now build fails
[17:44] <yofel> no, any content change requires a version bump
[17:44] <bambee> (it has nothing to do with build I know, but check the buildlog :D)
[17:44] <yofel> it doesn't matter if it's ~ppa2 or ~ppa128 anyway
[17:45] <shadeslayer> yeah
[17:45] <bambee> yofel: with ~ppa2 launchpad will blame me
[17:45] <shadeslayer> bambee: use ~ppa3 then
[17:45] <yofel> bambee: pro tip, try ppa3 :P
[17:45] <bambee> does not matter, I don't want to add "remove temp file" into the changelog... it's.... ugly o_O
[17:46] <bambee> :D
[17:46] <yofel> WHO CARES...
[17:46] <shadeslayer> hahaha
[17:46] <yofel> it's not like people actually read PPA changelogs anway ^^
[17:47] <bambee> ^^
[17:47] <bambee> ok
[17:47]  * apachelogger really wonders why one cannot run natty on an old kernel
[17:48] <yofel> while unsupported it should work usually
[17:48] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: or just build the a newer kernel that is supported from source
[17:49]  * apachelogger notes that even PPA changelogs, being changelogs, ought to reflect the complete set of important changes
[17:49] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: yeah, right, on omap
[17:49] <apachelogger> if one architecture is fragmented it is omap
[17:49] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: cross compile it?
[17:50] <shadeslayer> i cross compiled a kernel for my Phone on my PC ( but then my phone is ARM )
[18:14] <mfraz74> Just tried getting new card thems in KPatience with Kubuntu 11.04 and was told Configuration file not found kcardtheme.knsrc
[18:15] <shadeslayer> !find kcardtheme.knsrc
[18:16] <shadeslayer> !find kcardtheme.knsrc natty
[18:16] <mfraz74> it then crashes!
[18:18] <shadeslayer> O_O
[18:18] <shadeslayer> it seems ... that file was lost in natty somewhere
[18:19] <mfraz74> oops
[18:19] <mfraz74> do i need to file a bug on launchpad?
[18:20] <yofel> which is odd, since I have natty, and have kajongg: /usr/share/kde4/config/kcardtheme.knsrc
[18:20] <mfraz74> i don't have kajongg installed
[18:20] <Riddell> yes it looks like it's in the wrong package
[18:20] <yofel> oh right
[18:21] <shadeslayer> yep
[18:21] <yofel> who wants to move that?
[18:21] <mfraz74> shadeslayer: is that a yep for file a bug?
[18:21] <shadeslayer> mfraz74: please do :)
[18:22] <mfraz74> shadeslayer: OK
[18:22] <Riddell> I can update the package
[18:23] <shadeslayer> ok that file seems to be there from before i added stuff to kajongg .. :P
[18:25] <Riddell> mfraz74: let me know when you have a bug number for me
[18:25] <yofel> if I understand bzr annotate right though you were the one that added that :P
[18:25] <shadeslayer> unyes
[18:25] <shadeslayer> maybe i'm looking at the wrong revision
[18:26] <yofel> wow, that's almost a year old now...
[18:26] <Riddell> it's not from debian though, they still havn't packaged it
[18:27] <mfraz74> Riddell: bug 767383
[18:27] <bambee> we should drop "Suggest: kdevelop-l10n" from kdevelop into archives, imho :)
[18:27] <yofel> bambee: agreed, forgot about it last time
[18:27] <shadeslayer> yofel: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdegames/ubuntu/revision/106#debian/kajongg.install << that was there before
[18:27] <shadeslayer> i just changed the line numbers
[18:28] <yofel> steveire: it's from http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdegames/ubuntu/revision/67.1.1
[18:28] <yofel> er, shadeslayer ^
[18:29] <yofel> nobody tried this for almost a year obviously ^^
[18:29] <shadeslayer> ouch
[18:30] <Riddell> fix uploaded, will need approval
[18:33] <mfraz74> Riddell: thanks
[18:34] <mfraz74> Should kde-config-cddb be installed by default?]
[18:36] <Riddell> no, it's not in our seeds and nobody has so far suggested we need it
[18:37] <bambee> Riddell: could you bump kdevelop for me ? (into archives). Look at this patch http://paste.ubuntu.com/596626/
[18:37] <mfraz74> If you configure k3b without it you get a setting just saying something like cddb configuration not available
[18:38] <Riddell> bambee: can you paste it into paste.kde.org?
[18:38] <Riddell> I can't easily download from p.u.c
[18:38] <bambee> oh sure
[18:39] <yofel> mfraz74: then it would make sense to make k3b suggest it at least
[18:39] <bambee> Riddell: http://paste.kde.org/15205/
[18:39] <mfraz74> yofel: then it might be worth adding as a required package for k3b?
[18:40] <yofel> Not sure, it's not a dependency, that's only if k3b wouldn't work at all without it, it might be a recommend if it *should* be installed together with k3b
[18:41] <Riddell> mfraz74: it's too late for natty, for oneiric we would have to consider the size on the CD against the benefits
[18:42] <Riddell> adding a "click here to install kde-config-cddb" button might be a better idea
[18:42] <yofel> does that affect the CD? IIRC k3b isn't installed by default
[18:42] <mfraz74> Riddell: that's what I would have preferred
[18:42] <Riddell> k3b is on the CD
[18:42] <yofel> ah k
[18:43] <ScottK> bambee: None.
[18:43] <ScottK> I don't use kdevelop.
[18:44] <mfraz74> Just found synaptiks
[18:46] <Riddell> bambee: uploaded, thanks
[18:46] <bambee> Riddell: thanks ;)
[19:13] <Quintasan> yofel: it's magic
[19:13] <yofel> wb :)
[19:18] <Quintasan> ScottK: I added report from upgrading to KDE SC 4.5.5 on Maverick
[19:18] <Quintasan> It was successful and my brother said everything works as he wanted it to.
[19:54] <ScottK> Quintasan: Great.  Thanks.
[19:59] <Quintasan> ...
[19:59] <Quintasan> I'm a genious.
[20:00] <Quintasan> My 4.1 speakers wouldn't work no matter what I did
[20:01] <Quintasan> I plugged rear and front speakers to one port with http://www.dom-sklep.pl/_var/imgcache/100/2_klinkenbuchse1_kl_stecker_mo_1.jpg
[20:01] <Quintasan> and it works
[20:01] <Quintasan> yofel: ^
[20:01]  * yofel remembers linking 2 sets of front speakers like that once ^^
[20:03] <Quintasan> hmm
[20:03] <Quintasan> nope, still not working :/
[20:04] <Quintasan> I thought they were working because suddently it was louder than usual but still, rear speakers dont make any sounds :/
[20:07] <Quintasan> urgh
[20:07] <Quintasan> I still can't get those damn speakers to work :/