[01:42] <GrueMaster> so, NCommander stepped in to help and see what the problem with the installer was.  And it didn't fail.  Nothing changed, I reflashed with the same image & same cmdline to the same SD card.  Booted on the same panda.
[01:42]  * GrueMaster is very frustrated.
[03:36] <iceberg303> I'm having an issue booting 10.10 on a pandaboard, but the nightly build of 11.4 boots but isn't stable. Anyone have any ideas what might be going on?
[08:42] <diwic> ogra, any news about omap4 sound?
[09:56] <ogra_> diwic, well, ndec told me yesterday that capture doesnt work yet, seems the jack is configured as mono line in, so mics dont work.
[09:57] <diwic> ogra_, and we're unable to reconfigure in software?
[09:57] <ogra_> apparently
[09:58] <diwic> ogra_, fair enough, do you have a possibility to test the mono line in then?
[09:59] <ogra_> i'm not sure if/how my mp3 player would work on it and i need to find a matching cable first
[10:00] <diwic> ogra_, line out connections are optimal to loop into a line-in, but headphone outs suffice as well.
[10:01] <ogra_> well, that still requires a cable ;)
[10:01] <ogra_> i know i have one but dont know where
[10:24] <arun_> with the natty images, is hdmi audio on  the pandaboard expected to work?
[10:26] <ogra_> i dont think anybody has had the ability to test that yet
[10:27] <ogra_> we are currently focusing on getting analog audio to work
[11:29] <ogra_> diwic, cable found, i can record mp3's just fine playing them from my phone
[11:29] <ogra_> diwic, so HiFi and Record are the verbs we want
[11:35] <ogra_> diwic, udev rules tested too
[11:51] <diwic> ogra_, so we have working recording also? Great! Will you attach the udev rule patch (preferrably as a debdiff) to the bug and poke TheMuso to upload it?
[11:52] <ogra_> diwic, well, the soundcard rules are all in udev not in alsa
[11:52] <ogra_> i just pinged pitti about it in -devel
[11:53] <diwic> ogra_, in fact if you make your own udev rule file you can put it in any package you want
[11:53] <ogra_> i think adding the two lines to /lib/udev/rules.d/78-sound-card.rules is the right thing to do
[11:54] <ogra_> diwic, my prob is that i dont have any arch specific package i could put it in
[11:57] <diwic> ogra_, ok
[11:58] <diwic> ogra_, so now we have realized we can have working playback and recording without the PA patches. So then the question is, what do we gain from having the PA patches in?
[11:59] <diwic> ogra_, (especially if the PA patches can't even set a verb correctly...)
[11:59] <ogra_> diwic, heh, you are behind, see the bug :)
[12:00] <ogra_> i already commented about that, pulse can wait for O or go into a SRU if anyone has a plausible explanation why we need them
[12:00] <ogra_> pitti says the udev rules need to come from alsa :/
[12:01] <ogra_> (since it ships alsaucm and the rules exec that)
[12:01] <diwic> ogra_, yeah, I agree
[12:02] <diwic> ogra_, I'd try 90-alsa-restore.rules
[12:03] <diwic> that ships with alsa-utils
[12:03] <ogra_> ah, i was thinking to actually have 90-alsa-ucm.rules
[12:04] <ogra_> from scratch
[12:05] <diwic> that works just as well for me
[12:05] <ogra_> smells cleaner to me
[12:05] <diwic> yep, go for it
[12:06] <diwic> although that add/change logic of the soundcard initialization is mindboggling.
[12:07] <ogra_> i'm trying a file with just the two lines
[12:07] <arun_> ogra_, gotcha. thanks for the info.
[12:07]  * ogra_ twoddles thumbs while the panda reboots
[12:09] <ogra_> yup, works fine
[12:11] <diwic> ogra_, as for the HDMI audio, you don't have an hdmi-audio capable monitor for testing?
[12:12] <ogra_> i have to re-arrange my whole setup to have the panda on my tv
[12:12] <diwic> ogra_, ok, and I have to go in 30 mins :-)
[12:12] <ogra_> and HDMI can well be an SRU
[12:12] <ogra_> if there is even one needed
[12:13] <ogra_> hmpf, how does alsa-utils install the rules file
[12:15] <ogra_> diwic, do you mind if i just put the file in the debian dire and cp it in place from debian/rules ?
[12:15] <ogra_> *dir
[12:15] <arun_> i can give it a shot. my panda's connected to my tv.  i'd have to re-image my sd card though. i was playing around with various linaro images.
[12:15] <diwic> ogra_, I'm trying to figure out how the udev rule file gets there
[12:15] <ogra_> seems the restore file is handled by autotools, i really dont want to add complexity
[12:16] <ogra_> its in the Makefile of alsactl
[12:16] <diwic> right
[12:17] <diwic> yeah, I guess an "install -d" in debian/rules would do
[12:17] <ogra_> right, no extra autofoo run :)
[12:18]  * diwic is going to add a AC_MESS_UP_FOR_DISTRO_MAINTAINERS macro in autoconf. It is not difficult enough to get it right
[12:20] <ogra_> heh
[12:25] <ogra_> bah, sigh ... tetex is a build dep to even roll the source package
[12:26] <diwic> ogra_, hmm, as an option you could submit a merge proposal against lp:~ubuntu-audio-dev/alsa-utils/ubuntu.natty
[12:28] <ogra_> doe sthat look ok ? http://paste.ubuntu.com/596500/
[12:30] <diwic> ogra_, hmm, missing specification of desired file mode perhaps
[12:30] <diwic> i e permissions
[12:32] <ogra_> like that http://paste.ubuntu.com/596504/ ?
[12:36] <diwic> ogra_, hmm, it doesn't exactly look like what I'm used to but probably it's correct anyway
[12:36]  * diwic has to go
[12:37] <ogra_> well, it ends up in the right place
[12:37] <ogra_> with the right perms, i just did a testbuild
[12:37] <ogra_> diwic, would you mind if i uploaded ?
[12:38]  * ogra_ would love to have the bug closed 
[12:38] <diwic> ogra_, oh I see now, you are not filtering out subsystem, add/change etc in the udev rule
[12:38] <ogra_> well, there will only be one device with that ID
[12:38] <diwic> ogra_, I'll be back in 2-4 hours or so
[12:38] <ogra_> but i can add the headers that are used in the soundcard rules
[12:38] <ogra_> ok
[12:39] <ogra_> do you want add/change etc ?
[12:40]  * ogra_ adds the lines from the other rules fine and tests 
[14:22] <diwic> ogra_, reviewed your merge proposal, please fix
[14:22]  * ogra_ checks
[14:24] <ogra_> weird
[14:26] <ogra_> diwic, hmm, i dont have any such changes in my local branch and http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ogra/alsa-utils/746023/revision/75 doesnt show any of the bits you mention
[14:26]  * ogra_ wonders if he used a wrong master branch 
[14:28] <diwic> ogra_, please remove the ENV{SOUND_INITIALIZED} in 90-alsa-ucm.rules
[14:29] <diwic> In best case, it's superfluos :-)
[14:30] <diwic> or maybe I could just do that for you and merge it into the alsa-utils branch :-)
[14:31] <ogra_> new branch pushed, indeed i didnt pull originally from the right branch
[14:31] <diwic> been there, done that :-/
[14:32] <ogra_> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ogra/alsa-utils/746023/revision/89
[15:24] <diwic> ogra_, I removed one more line, could you verify it's still working? See https://code.launchpad.net/~diwic/alsa-utils/ubuntu.natty
[15:26] <ogra_> will do, that takes a moment though since i'm just verifying a bug on the headless image
[15:28] <ogra_> look sane though
[15:28] <ogra_> *looks
[15:39] <ogra_> grr
[15:40] <ogra_> so after trying to boot an omap headless image for 20 min on the panda i found that the omap MLO doesnt work on omap4 :P
[15:40]  * ogra_ shakes his head about wasting his own time
[15:41] <GrueMaster> heh.
[15:41] <ogra_> well, at least we know now :P
[15:42] <ogra_> GrueMaster, when you had that flash-kernel issue, did that happen when you manually upgraded a linux-image package or was that a regular dist-upgrade
[15:43] <GrueMaster> Both apt-get install & dist-upgrade.
[15:43] <ogra_> hmm
[15:44] <ogra_> might be the old "flash-kernel isnt run when update-initamfs -c is used"
[15:44] <GrueMaster> I thought that we were told that it needs to come from the kernel?
[15:45] <ogra_> GrueMaster, for now i only have bug 746023, bug 747229 and 766764 on my release radar
[15:45] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 746023 in alsa-utils "No sound on omap4" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/746023
[15:45] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 747229 in debian-installer "weird color change during oem-config debconf package removal step in serial installs" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/747229
[15:45] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 766764 in linux-ti-omap4 "flash-kernel not run during kernel upgrade" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/766764
[15:45] <ogra_> am i missing anything important ?
[15:45] <GrueMaster> Which type of beer to bring me to UDS.
[15:46] <ogra_> GrueMaster, the kernel package wasnt changed in natty, i added a spec idea for exactly that prob
[15:46] <ogra_> so -c still doesnt work
[15:46] <ogra_> but that should actually only affect release to release upgrades
[15:49] <GrueMaster> That is bug 701698.
[15:49] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 701698 in boot "update-initramfs -c does not update the bootloader" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/701698
[15:49] <ogra_> yep
[15:50] <ogra_> that requires massive redesign of the whole arm bootloader handling
[15:50] <ogra_> which is why i want to make it a spec
[16:04] <GrueMaster> Go for it.
[16:12] <ogra> diwic, works fine, go for it
[16:59] <diwic> ogra, TheMuso, ok, I've test-built and test-run it on my machine here, and it didn't seem to have destroyed anything, so pushed to lp:~ubuntu-audio-dev/alsa-utils/ubuntu.natty - upload at will.
[16:59] <ogra_> wohoo
[17:13] <ogra_> diwic_afk, TheMuso, uploaded, thanks
[18:11] <ogra_> GrueMaster, just dist-upgraded a beta2 image to todays archive, no issues with flash-kernel
[18:12] <GrueMaster> I think there are other packages that force update-initramfs -u.
[18:12] <ogra_> might be
[18:12] <GrueMaster> Try installing everything that dist-upgrade recommends, except the kernel.  Then do dist-upgrade.
[18:13] <ogra_> to late :)
[18:13] <GrueMaster> I'll try it here to verify in a little bit.  Currently wiping/reformatting my SD.
[18:14] <ogra_> \o/
[18:14] <ogra_> alsa-utils is in
[18:14] <ogra_> and python-apt too
[18:14] <ogra_> so sound and sources.list should be fine now
[18:14] <GrueMaster> cool
[18:15] <GrueMaster> Now if we could just get another daily image to build...
[18:15] <ogra_> we only have the serial colors left (which is really minor cosmetic) and the üpossible flash-kernel thing
[18:15] <ogra_> archive is messed up due to the last minute fixes
[18:15] <ogra_> that will settle until tomorrow
[20:09] <iceberg303> I have the 10.10 ubuntu on a 4G sd for pandaboard(omap4) and things were ok till I did an update. Things started taking forever to boot and to log in, then I installed the ti omap extras and now it takes about 15min to boot and 30+min to log in.  I can wipe the card and go back no problem but every time I get the same results.  Is there a list of things that should not be updated?
[20:17] <jayabharath> ogra_: there have been a few reports on natty beta's not working on pandaboard's are there any known major issues that you are aware of... before I go give it a run
[20:37] <billfarrow> Hey, is anyone using the genesi efika mx smartbook ? are you happy with it ?
[20:40] <billfarrow> I was looking for a new netbook, and this looked interesting since I am already developing for an i.mx processor at work.
[20:44] <davidm> jayabharath, as best I know we are good to go on B2
[20:44] <davidm> jayabharath, it's quite late in ogra's neck of the world
[20:55] <GrueMaster> jayabharath: The only thing I really am aware of is random issues with the SD cards.  Sometimes I'll get SDIO errors during oem-config, other times oem-config will just crash mid-install.  Nothing to indicate why.  Reflashing usually clears it up.
[20:55] <GrueMaster> I am working on a theory, but since the issues I am seeing are so random and hard to reproduce, it is harder to have a good testcase.
[21:20] <jayabharath> GrueMaster: davidm I see.. thanks
[21:20] <jayabharath> let me look up the recent thread on pandaboard ml for reference
[21:21] <GrueMaster> http://groups.google.com/group/pandaboard/browse_thread/thread/aa46ddf46df2d946
[21:21] <GrueMaster> Already commented on it.  :)
[21:21] <jayabharath> GrueMaster: u r faster .. yeah this was one...
[21:21] <GrueMaster> I had it open.
[21:22] <jayabharath> let me then try b2 image and see if it works ok for me.. thanks!!
[22:36] <TheMuso> ogra_: Thanks.