[00:05] <nisshh> ikt, not sure, google :)
[06:20] <catfish0275> Hi, Adelaide here
[08:10] <elky> airtonix, re: pioneer. yes on both counts.
[10:35] <airtonix> elky: so what is the quality of their linux installs like?
[10:35] <elky> The linux install is pretty much stock with whatever driver fiddliness is needed. but they don't disclose the driver fiddliness ime\
[10:35] <airtonix> :<
[10:36] <elky> you can extract the info out of them, but they don't like put info in the box
[10:36] <airtonix> so it's inside text files or inside some binary you have to decompile?
[10:37] <elky> so you get an ubuntu installed system, for example, then try swap it to fedora, and you then find out that for example, the wifi had extra drivers on it
[10:37] <elky> and you ask them and they go 'oh yeah, we installed the drivers for ubuntu. the chipset is blah. dunno about fedora though" etc
[10:38] <airtonix> would've been awesome if they just did the fucking right thing like they do for windows and provide driver packages for major distro, they do it for win98, xp, 2000, 7.
[10:38] <elky> tell that to the component manufacturers.
[10:38] <elky> usually some place in china
[10:38] <airtonix> noobs
[10:39] <airtonix> not a palce that cares about freedom
[10:39] <airtonix> "just be grateful that we make this stuff"
[10:39] <airtonix> which is true
[10:40] <airtonix> otherwise it would cost us a small fortune to setup a small business server