| jasoncwarner | robert_ancell TheMuso RAOF bryceh https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2011-04-19 Meeting time! | 00:01 |
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| TheMuso | Hey. | 00:01 |
| bryceh | hi | 00:01 |
| jasoncwarner | morning everyone...hope everyone is enjoying these last few weeks before the release ;) | 00:02 |
| TheMuso | Yeah. | 00:03 |
| TheMuso | Just over a week now till the release. | 00:03 |
| RAOF | Morning. | 00:03 |
| jasoncwarner | Alright, lets get to it! | 00:03 |
| jasoncwarner | [TOPIC] X Update | 00:03 |
| RAOF | One broad class of compiz freezes fixed. | 00:04 |
| * DBO pokes RAOF | 00:04 | |
| RAOF | But bug #740126 has a different cause, seems to be intel-specific, and I'm working on it. | 00:04 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 740126 in unity "compiz hangs randomly several times per day" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/740126 | 00:05 |
| RAOF | Apart from that, there seems to be an Xserver crasher still lurking around, possibly associated with fullscreen flash. | 00:06 |
| jasoncwarner | ah flash... | 00:06 |
| jasoncwarner | ok...thanks, RAOF | 00:07 |
| RAOF | Bug #764456 is an exemplar of that; the server dies in CallCallbacks. | 00:07 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 764456 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "X crashes frequently with flash video playback" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/764456 | 00:07 |
| RAOF | bryceh: Anything you want to add? | 00:07 |
| bryceh | been focusing on the Arrandale external monitor issues this week, there's about a dozen bug reports notably 747205 as the primary. I suspect there are at least 3 distinct bugs that are getting mixed up. | 00:08 |
| bryceh | of the three, the primary issue might be a DPMS issue in the kernel; possibly this can be worked around int he X driver; I have a patched driver in my ppa I'm having folks test | 00:08 |
| bryceh | last week I worked on gpu lockup bugs for -intel and did some testing for unity/-ati corruption issues, but haven't nailed down any noteworthy fixes there. | 00:10 |
| * robert_ancell loves the random X crash | 00:10 | |
| * jasoncwarner agrees with robert_ancell | 00:10 | |
| RAOF | Jay pinged me about that; I've filed a bug upstream about misrendering on r300g | 00:10 |
| RAOF | robert_ancell: Lies! X crashes are myths perpetrated by evil aarvarks! | 00:11 |
| jasoncwarner | Ok...anything else of note? | 00:12 |
| jasoncwarner | or, moving on to [TOPIC] AOB ;) | 00:12 |
| bryceh | I also wrote a GUI tool called xdiagnose to help people turn on debugging in the kernel | 00:12 |
| bryceh | anyway, guess nothing else of note. lamenting loss of wayland, etc. | 00:12 |
| robert_ancell | loss of wayland? | 00:13 |
| RAOF | bryceh: We should discuss what to do with that at a session of UDS. | 00:13 |
| jasoncwarner | yes, I think so... | 00:13 |
| RAOF | robert_ancell: Linking cairo with libGL causes a significant memory use increase for people with nvidia's libGL. | 00:14 |
| bryceh | RAOF, *shrug* | 00:14 |
| RAOF | (On the order of 5MiB per process linking to cairo on x86-64, apparently up to 20MiB/process on i386) | 00:14 |
| TheMuso | Youch. | 00:15 |
| RAOF | bryceh: Well, we *will* want to have wayland in the archive - even in main - in the not too distant future. Even if we just decieded to say “sucks to be you, nvidia users”, we should probably decide that :) | 00:16 |
| bryceh | RAOF, to be honest I'm kinda worn out... was a lot of work and is kind of a let down that it all ended up for naught | 00:16 |
| jasoncwarner | bryceh: might feel like that now, but we'll be using that soon enough! | 00:17 |
| bryceh | anyway, I suppose if/when people start caring about wayland, the work can be undertaken again | 00:17 |
| jasoncwarner | just a stumbling block ;) | 00:17 |
| jasoncwarner | Anyway...sounds like we are about done...so thanks everyone...appreciate it! | 00:18 |
| bryceh | thanks | 00:18 |
| TheMuso | Thanks. | 00:18 |
| RAOF | Ta. | 00:19 |
| chrisccoulson | is everyone looking forward to UDS? | 00:29 |
| DBO | i dont want to go to hungary | 00:30 |
| desrt | is it because of the new constitution? | 00:30 |
| RAOF | I always look forward to UDS. | 00:31 |
| TheMuso | Me too. | 00:31 |
| broder | I'm excited. I haven't gotten a chance to go to Europe in years | 00:31 |
| chrisccoulson | i have to make sure i don't let my daughter find my passport! | 00:33 |
| chrisccoulson | she's already hidden it in the bin once already ;) | 00:33 |
| chrisccoulson | i don't want her to do that just before UDS :) | 00:33 |
| DBO | chrisccoulson, high shelves | 00:34 |
| chrisccoulson | DBO - yeah, it's on a high shelf now :) | 00:34 |
| DBO | altitude is the natural enemy of children | 00:35 |
| DBO | if you cant go for altitude, go for weight | 00:35 |
| DBO | dude budapest is like 1.7 million people... thats like twice as many as detroit... but probably a whole lot cleaner | 00:36 |
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| lifeless | RAOF: hey, around ? | 00:54 |
| lifeless | RAOF: my dad has this happening - | 00:54 |
| lifeless | Error mounting location: DBus error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus) | 00:54 |
| lifeless | RAOF: I've seen a few inconclusive bugs/forum posts | 00:55 |
| lifeless | he's running maverick; are you interested in more data / helping get him functional ? | 00:55 |
| RAOF | lifeless: I've seen something like the reverse of that when unmounting twice quickly enough that the first hasn't gone through before the second is triggered. | 00:56 |
| RAOF | But more context would be good - what's your dad doing to get that message? | 00:56 |
| lifeless | gvfs-mount ssh://10.0.0.16 | 00:56 |
| lifeless | or via the GUI connect-to-server | 00:56 |
| lifeless | originally only the gui failed, so I got him running gvfs-mount as a (fugly) workaround | 00:57 |
| lifeless | dbus-monitor didn't show anything obviously bogus to me [but I don't practice enough to be sure whats good/bad] | 00:57 |
| RAOF | I think that's a reasonably common gvfs error mode that gvfs has terrible reporting for. | 00:58 |
| RAOF | I don't really have any suggestions on how to proceed, though. | 00:59 |
| RAOF | It's not something that I'm particularly familiar with; robert_ancell might know more :) | 00:59 |
| robert_ancell | unfortunately I don't know enough about gvfs to say | 01:00 |
| lifeless | so, if network connectivity is up | 01:06 |
| lifeless | and the machine on the other end is ubuntu | 01:06 |
| lifeless | and ssh <host> works | 01:06 |
| lifeless | htf does one debug this? | 01:06 |
| * RAOF is clueless | 01:08 | |
| GunnarHj | kees: Pls see bug 766672. Were Martin's changes intended for Maverick? | 01:15 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 766672 in language-selector "package language-selector-common 0.6.8 failed to install/upgrade: sub-processo script post-installation instalado retornou estado de saída de erro 2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/766672 | 01:15 |
| lifeless | RAOF: robert_ancell: also worth noting is that it returns effectively instantly when it fails | 01:22 |
| lifeless | not some arbitrary point later | 01:22 |
| RAOF | I win at reading the entrails of X. | 01:31 |
| cyphermox | RAOF, what does it tell you? ;) | 01:34 |
| RAOF | That if I cast 0xb78f660 to a DrawablePtr then I've found the drawable compiz is waiting on. | 01:35 |
| TheMuso | RAOF, bryceh, seems that with newer kernels/x bits on my ThinkPad, I can leave NVIDIA Optimus enabled in the BIOS, and natty now comes up and uses the intel controller only. So I can leave optimus turned on now for whenever I use windows. | 02:29 |
| RAOF | That's pretty nice. | 02:29 |
| TheMuso | Yeah it is. | 02:29 |
| lifeless | RAOF: robert_ancell: so, should I file a bug? Minimally the inability to debug network share access seems uhm important ? | 02:29 |
| RAOF | lifeless: Please do file a bug. I'm not sure who we've got who'll be particularly good at looking at it, though. | 02:30 |
| lifeless | RAOF: I'll pop round to his place in a bit and ubuntu-bug it up there | 02:35 |
| robert_ancell | lifeless, :P | 02:46 |
| robert_ancell | lifeless, oh I thought you meant my place, but of course you're not in this neighborhood now! | 02:47 |
| lifeless | robert_ancell: indeed ;) | 02:48 |
| lifeless | robert_ancell: Would be happy to drop in some day but needs a little more coord :> | 02:49 |
| bryceh | TheMuso, good to hear | 02:52 |
| bryceh | ok, /me -> EOD. time to go play in the garage | 02:53 |
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| pitti | Good morning | 07:17 |
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| pitti | robert_ancell: btw, the gtk-doc upload keeps being in the queue; TBH I'm quite nervous about breaking package builds with a new version at this point | 07:46 |
| robert_ancell | pitti, should I make a package with just the patch? It completely breaks distcheck at the moment | 07:47 |
| pitti | distcheck of gtk-doc? | 07:49 |
| pitti | I am looking forward to getting out of tree builds fixed, I painfully remember the workarounds I had to do in udev and other places | 07:49 |
| pitti | but it changes quite a bit more, too | 07:49 |
| GunnarHj | pitti: Good morning, Martin! Can you please upload a backports update due to yesterday's security update? I suppose it's pretty urgent. https://code.launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/ubuntu/maverick/language-selector/backports-sec-update/+merge/58417 | 07:51 |
| Sweetshark | Morning all! | 07:52 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: that patch is the main change of that version, so I think if we take it we can just as well take 1.17 completely | 07:52 |
| pitti | GunnarHj: ah, yes | 07:52 |
| pitti | Sweetshark: guten Morgen! | 07:52 |
| robert_ancell | pitti, well, if we deliver 1.16 any project that uses gtk-doc.make and doesn't have it checked in is going to fail make dist :( | 07:53 |
| pitti | GunnarHj: you apparently have a conflict in debian/changelog, but I'll sort it out during merging | 07:53 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: that bug is ages old, though; why do | 07:53 |
| pitti | ... did it suddenly become worse? | 07:53 |
| GunnarHj | pitti: I saw that bzr believes it's a conflict, but... | 07:54 |
| robert_ancell | pitti, I don't know how no-one noticed it! It's only occurred in 1.16 right? | 07:54 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: I first noticed it maybe two years ago | 07:54 |
| pitti | I don't think that ever worked right | 07:54 |
| pitti | it's great to see it fixed, though; less crappy workarounds in udev, pygobject and friends | 07:55 |
| robert_ancell | hmm, but it was working for me previously, so from my experience it has got worse | 07:55 |
| pitti | there was a previous failed attempt to fix it, so perhaps that made it worse | 07:55 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: do you have time to try and build udev, pygobject, and perhaps a GNOME library against the new version and debdiff the binaries to check that doc files are still where they belong? | 07:56 |
| robert_ancell | pitti, ok, will do | 07:56 |
| pitti | thanks; that | 07:56 |
| pitti | darn | 07:56 |
| pitti | .. that'll give me a lot more confidence in it | 07:56 |
| * pitti needs to get used to this laptop keyboard again | 07:57 | |
| Sweetshark | pitti: there is a nice little libreoffice-3.3.2-1ubuntu4.dsc on chinstrap fixing bug 765010. | 07:59 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 765010 in libreoffice "LibreOffice StartCenter’s desktop file has an empty value for Name[en]" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/765010 | 07:59 |
| didrocks | good morning | 08:03 |
| robert_ancell | pitti, pygobject and udev seem identical | 08:19 |
| pitti | nice | 08:21 |
| pitti | well, they both have workarounds to copy the full source tree into the source dir because of that :) | 08:21 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: ok, accepting | 08:21 |
| pitti | looking forward to trying it | 08:22 |
| Sweetshark | didrocks: good morning ... | 08:22 |
| Sweetshark | ... traitor! ;) | 08:22 |
| didrocks | hey Sweetshark, pitti, robert_ancell! | 08:22 |
| didrocks | Sweetshark: ahah :-) | 08:22 |
| robert_ancell | debdiff is very odd when it returns nothing. Makes you wonder if it's done anything! | 08:22 |
| didrocks | Sweetshark: sorry, LaTeX only annoys me when I need to upgrade with latex-full :-) | 08:22 |
| robert_ancell | didrocks, morning! | 08:22 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: it should at least report some noise in the control files? | 08:22 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: and it says "file list identical" usually | 08:23 |
| robert_ancell | pitti, should it? I'll double check | 08:23 |
| didrocks | Sweetshark: TBH, the first version of my book (in 2006), was in gOOo, but it couldn't handle the number of images and I had to split it two files :/ | 08:23 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: LP queue page timed out again, so not too late to hold it back :) | 08:23 |
| Sweetshark | didrocks: how did was it not able to handle the images? crashes? or hangs and mindboggling slowness? | 08:28 |
| didrocks | mindboggling slowness… 500 pages, 250 images (most of them < 100x100px) | 08:29 |
| Sweetshark | didrocks: there is a solution to that: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOoAuthors_User_Manual/Writer_Guide/Working_with_Master_Documents something that works in OOo/LO better than on MS Office \o/. | 08:40 |
| Sweetshark | (I learned about that rather late too, unfortunately). | 08:41 |
| chrisccoulson | good morning everyone | 08:42 |
| robert_ancell | pitti, hey, how much longer before no more uploads? I'm fixing up a few gcalctool bugs, should I upload now, or can I wait another 24 hours? | 08:42 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: gcalctool should be okay tomorrow, too | 08:42 |
| robert_ancell | pitti, can you check my debdiff logic. I compile once with my gtk-doc package, and once with the current natty one. Then debdiffed like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/596430/ | 08:43 |
| Sweetshark | pitti: but the LO fix should be uploaded today, right? | 08:44 |
| * Sweetshark looks nervous. | 08:44 | |
| pitti | robert_ancell: that looks fine | 08:44 |
| pitti | Sweetshark: would be better, as it takes ages on arm | 08:44 |
| pitti | and we should have room for another emergency upload if that one fails | 08:44 |
| Sweetshark | pitti: well, its on chinstrap already | 08:44 |
| seb128 | hey desktopers | 08:45 |
| * Sweetshark waves at seb128. | 08:45 | |
| seb128 | hey pitti Sweetshark | 08:45 |
| seb128 | hey robert_ancell | 08:45 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, hello | 08:45 |
| pitti | Sweetshark: oh, want me to upload, or do you want to do more changes? | 08:46 |
| Sweetshark | pitti: upload please! | 08:47 |
| pitti | yippie! | 08:47 |
| pitti | Sweetshark: would you mind uploading the debian.tar.gz, too? :-) | 08:48 |
| chrisccoulson | didrocks, have you seen something like bug 766630 before? | 08:49 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 766630 in firefox "firefox have a "gap" between tabs and the panel " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/766630 | 08:49 |
| chrisccoulson | i've seen it before, but not for a while | 08:50 |
| chrisccoulson | but someone reported that yesterday | 08:50 |
| * Sweetshark grumbles. | 08:50 | |
| Sweetshark | pitti: yes, beacuse you asked so nicely ;) | 08:51 |
| * pitti bats eyelashes | 08:51 | |
| didrocks | chrisccoulson: yeah, seems to be a compiz bug. I've reproduced it sometimes, smspillaz can't reproduce it | 08:51 |
| chrisccoulson | didrocks, thanks. is there a master bug already? | 08:51 |
| didrocks | chrisccoulson: there is one in compiz, I can find it later | 08:52 |
| chrisccoulson | thanks :) | 08:52 |
| didrocks | my computer is in a pain with all the rebuilds right now :) | 08:52 |
| * Sweetshark just had Jehovas wittnesses at the door. | 08:52 | |
| chrisccoulson | Sweetshark, you answered the door? | 08:53 |
| chrisccoulson | i always leave it to jo to answer the door in the daytime :) | 08:53 |
| chrisccoulson | (for that reason) | 08:53 |
| pitti | Sweetshark: "Ich habe auf Euch gewartet!!!" | 08:54 |
| * pitti remembers Michael Mittermeier | 08:54 | |
| Sweetshark | What a disappointment: a) I was expecting a Notebook delivery. b) I wasnt playing Iron Maiden at maximum volume. | 08:54 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - i had to use google translate there ;) | 08:55 |
| pitti | Sweetshark: thanks, it just looks a lot more beautiful with a debian tarball! that talked me into uploading it | 08:55 |
| Sweetshark | pitti: *hrhr* | 08:55 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: it's a German comedian, there was an act where he describes what he does with Jehova's witnesses at the door | 08:55 |
| chrisccoulson | heh :) | 08:56 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - any more bugs you want me to look at today? | 09:01 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, not right know but I'm doing my daily bug review so I will tell you if I find something ;-) | 09:02 |
| chrisccoulson | thanks :) | 09:03 |
| chrisccoulson | i will carry on hacking on my new firefox extension for now :) | 09:03 |
| rodrigo__ | morning | 09:09 |
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| pitti | hey rodrigo_ | 09:10 |
| * pitti assigns 58 bugs to rodrigo_, now that he's part of desktop team for real | 09:11 | |
| pitti | *cough* I meant "great that it worked out!" | 09:11 |
| * pitti hugs rodrigo_ | 09:11 | |
| seb128 | did it? | 09:12 |
| seb128 | hey rodrigo_ | 09:12 |
| didrocks | morning rodrigo_ | 09:15 |
| rodrigo_ | hey pitti, official now? | 09:18 |
| rodrigo_ | hi seb128, didrocks | 09:18 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, congrats ;-) | 09:18 |
| rodrigo_ | cool!! | 09:18 |
| * rodrigo_ stops working and goes out to celebrate :D | 09:19 | |
| * pitti is quite pleased with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus#rcbugs now | 09:20 | |
| * didrocks hugs rodrigo_, welcome! :) | 09:21 | |
| rodrigo_ | thanks didrocks | 09:21 |
| Sweetshark | rodrigo_: welcome! | 09:21 |
| rodrigo_ | thanks Sweetshark and seb128 | 09:22 |
| rodrigo_ | so to celebrate, can someone sponsor this -> https://code.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/ubuntu/natty/webkit/fix-header/+merge/58395 please? | 09:22 |
| pitti | rodrigo_: oh, sure | 09:23 |
| didrocks | pitti: (btw, nux waiting, nux waiting, nux waiting… it's kind, it won't bite :-))</whispering> | 09:23 |
| pitti | didrocks: already processing the queue | 09:23 |
| rodrigo_ | pitti, it's not critical, but needed for empathy in the gnome3 ppa, so can it go in? | 09:23 |
| pitti | rodrigo_: looks ok to me | 09:23 |
| didrocks | pitti: you're too fast! :-) | 09:23 |
| rodrigo_ | ok | 09:23 |
| pitti | and still time to build on arm | 09:24 |
| rodrigo_ | when's the final timeline? | 09:24 |
| pitti | "The Unapproved queue is empty." yay | 09:24 |
| pitti | rodrigo_: practically, tomorrow; today for large pacakges like LibO/webkit | 09:24 |
| pitti | Easter holidays get in the way.. | 09:25 |
| rodrigo_ | pitti, ah cool, because I found a bug in evo-couchdb yesterday with jono, so I'm working on a fix | 09:25 |
| rodrigo_ | hopefully will get it done today | 09:25 |
| pitti | rodrigo_: gosh, it complains about () and wants (void)? | 09:25 |
| pitti | how stupid is that.. | 09:26 |
| rodrigo_ | pitti, that's for stuff compiled with --strict | 09:26 |
| pitti | right | 09:26 |
| rodrigo_ | yeah, quite dumb indeed | 09:26 |
| pitti | I still think these should be synonyms | 09:26 |
| rodrigo_ | yes | 09:26 |
| pitti | oh, btw | 09:26 |
| pitti | rodrigo_: you aren't in ~ubuntu-desktop yet? | 09:26 |
| rodrigo_ | pitti, I was, but then I was removed because of the process to accept people | 09:27 |
| rodrigo_ | someone complained when I started the rotation | 09:27 |
| rodrigo_ | that I hadn't followed the process to be accepted | 09:27 |
| pitti | rodrigo_: who except seb128 and me sponsored your work? | 09:28 |
| pitti | we need to find three people | 09:28 |
| pitti | I'll send an invite to the list | 09:28 |
| rodrigo_ | hmm | 09:28 |
| rodrigo_ | dholbach a couple of times iirc | 09:28 |
| rodrigo_ | pitti, ah, and kenvandine, although that was before my rotation | 09:29 |
| pitti | rotation doesn't matter | 09:29 |
| rodrigo_ | ok then | 09:29 |
| rodrigo_ | pitti, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RodrigoMoya/PerPackageUploadApplication | 09:30 |
| rodrigo_ | if that's useful | 09:30 |
| seb128 | didrocks, pitti: so you do you have any opinion on those geforce cards not working with unity and nvidia but "working" with nouveau | 09:30 |
| seb128 | it's likely users will go and activate nvidia and get no desktop | 09:31 |
| rodrigo_ | btw, can I propose this -> http://git.gnome.org/browse/couchdb-glib/commit/?id=f8765589465b16610e73fb37906716bade83efe6 for upload? | 09:31 |
| didrocks | right, I think we should blacklist them in jockey then | 09:31 |
| glatzor | morning mvo seb128 and pitti | 09:31 |
| seb128 | do we consider nouveau to be solid enough and that they should use? | 09:31 |
| seb128 | or should we send them to classic? | 09:31 |
| seb128 | hey glatzor | 09:31 |
| rodrigo_ | it's not critical neither, but it removes a lot of warnings in the logs that people send | 09:31 |
| pitti | glatzor: Servus! | 09:31 |
| pitti | seb128: 2D yes, but on nvidia you currently get classic by default, don't you? | 09:32 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, seems fine to me | 09:32 |
| mvo | hey glatzor | 09:32 |
| seb128 | pitti, do you? | 09:32 |
| glatzor | mvo, it seems that the forzen_status context manager is still called in the forked child process if we just use os._exit. Very strange behavior | 09:32 |
| pitti | I don't think we should install nouveau-3d by default yet | 09:32 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, ok, and since I have upload rights, I just dput and it will get reviewed, right? or do I need a merge proposal? | 09:32 |
| mvo | glatzor: oh, that is indeed puzzling, no atexit should be called for _exit() | 09:33 |
| seb128 | pitti, well, whatever you get by default manage to run unity but nvidia gives you a frozen desktop on geforce 7300 and 7400 cards | 09:33 |
| pitti | seb128: classic for natty IMHO | 09:33 |
| seb128 | pitti, so people get unity working, install nvidia, restart and get no desktop | 09:33 |
| pitti | feh | 09:33 |
| glatzor | mvo, but this only happens if you send a ctrl+c to the forked client | 09:34 |
| didrocks | pitti: we can only blacklist by pcid right now, not pcid + driver | 09:34 |
| pitti | didrocks: oh, bummer; the nux testing tool doesn't check the driver? | 09:34 |
| didrocks | pitti: right, only pcids | 09:34 |
| didrocks | and I don't feel we should change that now | 09:34 |
| pitti | door bell, brb | 09:34 |
| pitti | didrocks: but I still think blacklisting is safer at this point | 09:34 |
| didrocks | so "sorry" for people wanting to try with nouveau? | 09:35 |
| seb128 | didrocks, you just hate users admit it ;-) | 09:35 |
| didrocks | seb128: damned, my secret!! :-) | 09:35 |
| mvo | seb128: nowdays it works ok-ish for my 8400, but its not that smooth and I get a crash every now and then | 09:35 |
| seb128 | didrocks, tseliot's point that the nouveau driver is not very efficient and will lead to other issues | 09:35 |
| didrocks | seb128: do you have the pcid btw? | 09:35 |
| didrocks | yeah, I see a lot of people using it, but they get artifacts and such | 09:36 |
| tseliot | yep | 09:36 |
| glatzor | mvo, you can reproduce by adding a import pdb; pdb; pdb.set_trace() in the finally statement of the frozen_status method , and abort an installation with Crtl c | 09:36 |
| seb128 | didrocks, we should probably recommend unity only when it will give a solid experience | 09:36 |
| tseliot | seb128, didrocks: I really think the check should be in either unity or nux, so that users can still use nvidia with the classic desktop or with unity 2d | 09:37 |
| seb128 | didrocks, #728745, it has some, like the apport infos has | 09:37 |
| seb128 | "nVidia Corporation G72M [GeForce Go 7400] [10de:01d8] " | 09:37 |
| didrocks | ok, looking to add it | 09:37 |
| seb128 | we can ask for lspci infos from other commenters | 09:37 |
| didrocks | seb128: can you handle that? I'm chasing a bugs in theme with unity | 09:37 |
| seb128 | didrocks, yes | 09:38 |
| didrocks | adding 10de:01d8 meanwhile | 09:38 |
| didrocks | seb128: thanks :) | 09:38 |
| seb128 | thanks | 09:38 |
| didrocks | it will blacklist unity and compiz FYI | 09:39 |
| pitti | re | 09:41 |
| pitti | didrocks: is the blacklist in the code, or in any text file? | 09:42 |
| seb128 | didrocks, the --unity and --compiz part of the helper don't have different lists? | 09:42 |
| didrocks | pitti: it's in the code unfortunately | 09:42 |
| pitti | didrocks: can it be ignored with an environment variable or a command line optino? (that might also be useful for people testing drivers in a PPA, etc.) | 09:42 |
| didrocks | seb128: no, despite my repeated demands | 09:43 |
| pitti | note that a full option is not required, just a very small "optino" one! | 09:43 |
| didrocks | pitti: can add that | 09:43 |
| rodrigo_ | hmm | 09:43 |
| rodrigo_ | Changes file must be signed with a valid GPG signature: Verification failed 3 times: ["(7, 9, u'No public key')", "(7, 9, u'No public key')", "(7, 9, u'No public key')"] : Permission denied. | 09:43 |
| rodrigo_ | Note: This error might indicate a problem with your passive_ftp setting. | 09:43 |
| rodrigo_ | Please consult dput.cf(5) for details on this configuration option. | 09:43 |
| pitti | rodrigo_: argh, that again? | 09:43 |
| pitti | rodrigo_: just ignore it, it'll work anyway | 09:43 |
| rodrigo_ | again? it's the 1st time I see it | 09:43 |
| rodrigo_ | ah ok | 09:43 |
| rodrigo_ | pitti, I ran dput twice, so there are 2 identical uploads, can you remove one of them? | 09:46 |
| pitti | rodrigo_: yes, no problem | 09:46 |
| pitti | rodrigo_: yeah, it has haunted people in the last couple of weeks | 09:46 |
| rodrigo_ | also, can someone please merge this -> https://code.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/ubuntu/natty/couchdb-glib/remove-warnings/+merge/58453 ? | 09:46 |
| rodrigo_ | pitti, well, haven't used dput myself much in the last couple of weeks, that's why I didn't see it, I guess :) | 09:47 |
| pitti | rodrigo_: isn't that the very one you just uploaded? | 09:47 |
| rodrigo_ | pitti, yes | 09:47 |
| pitti | rodrigo_: done | 09:48 |
| rodrigo_ | thanks | 09:49 |
| huats | seb128, I was wondering where to find some updates to do ) | 10:05 |
| huats | :) | 10:05 |
| huats | well may be not for natty, it is too late I assume | 10:05 |
| huats | but I'd like to work again for oneiric... | 10:05 |
| huats | and the page versions.html gave me a 404 | 10:05 |
| huats | so it is not used anymore ? | 10:06 |
| pitti | bonjour huats | 10:08 |
| pitti | huats: it just moved to http://people.canonical.com/~platform/desktop/versions.html | 10:08 |
| huats | hey pitti ! | 10:08 |
| huats | thanks for the info | 10:08 |
| pitti | we'll have plenty of work to do for O :) | 10:08 |
| huats | pitti, I know there is | 10:09 |
| huats | and I'll do my best to help again | 10:09 |
| huats | :) | 10:09 |
| seb128 | hey huats, yeah new url is in the topic, we moved there like in start of the cycle, you have been away from packaging for a while ;-) | 10:10 |
| huats | seb128, you know I have been away :) | 10:11 |
| seb128 | huats, it's getting close from natty, hard freeze is tomorrow, so not really the best time for updates though, maybe universe ones | 10:11 |
| huats | that was my idea (to not work on natty because of the hard freeze) | 10:11 |
| huats | but to start update my tools :) to be able to work quite soon on oneiric | 10:11 |
| huats | I'll give a look on universe | 10:12 |
| pitti | huats: sounds awesome! you have some more time to spend on FOSS stuff again? | 10:13 |
| pitti | huats: if you are interested, there's still plenty of work to do on the gnome 3 PPA | 10:13 |
| pitti | which isn't bound by the natty freeze | 10:13 |
| pitti | huats: it's kind of a staging area for oneiric anyway, but should also be useful for natty users who want to try it | 10:14 |
| huats | let's say that I have spent sometime working on FOSS but I couldn't find time to work on ubuntu desktop :) | 10:16 |
| huats | pitti, and yes I should be able to find some more time in the next months ! | 10:16 |
| pitti | tres bien! | 10:16 |
| huats | indeed the gnome3 ppa is something quite interesting too | 10:16 |
| huats | pitti, I'll give a look right now | 10:17 |
| seb128 | mvo, have you seen bugs about http://paste.ubuntu.com/596474/ or similar before? | 10:18 |
| seb128 | the error in english says that broken packages are in "keep in state" mode | 10:18 |
| rodrigo_ | huats, we have lots of things todo in the gnome3 ppa, like packaging e-d-s, evolution, gnome-panel, the new network manager, etc, so feel free to do it :) | 10:19 |
| huats | rodrigo_, I'll give a look quite soon | 10:20 |
| huats | rodrigo_, how do you coordonate inside the team ? (well if there is coordination :)) | 10:20 |
| mvo | seb128: what bug is that? | 10:21 |
| seb128 | mvo, it's happening on my box, it's not a bug (yet) | 10:21 |
| mvo | in what context did it happen? | 10:21 |
| mvo | it usually mean that the poor reslver is confused | 10:21 |
| seb128 | mvo, it seems that's when clicking a binary for upgrade in update-manager | 10:22 |
| mvo | ok | 10:22 |
| seb128 | like I click on of the firefox-... which should make firefox to be checked as well | 10:22 |
| seb128 | like firefox-branding | 10:22 |
| seb128 | but instead of checking firefox as to upgrade as well it triggers apport | 10:22 |
| seb128 | mvo, it's my way to select updates I want to do first, I tend to unselect all, click a few I want to try without waiting for other download, install those and then upgrade the remaining | 10:23 |
| seb128 | mvo, bug #752104 | 10:24 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 752104 in update-manager "update-manager crashed with SystemError in mark_install(): E:Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/752104 | 10:24 |
| mvo | seb128: right, I suspect its just confused over one dependency somewhere or a inconsitent archive | 10:24 |
| seb128 | I'm not the only one ;-) | 10:24 |
| seb128 | mvo, well I'm my system in that buggy state if you want, but it's easy to trigger with a natty box from yesterday where you didn't upgrade firefox yet | 10:24 |
| seb128 | clicking on firefox select the other depends as it should | 10:24 |
| rodrigo_ | huats, there's a mailing list https://edge.launchpad.net/~gnome3-team | 10:27 |
| huats | rodrigo_, yeah I have seen that :) | 10:27 |
| rodrigo_ | huats, also, there are branches -> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~gnome3-team | 10:27 |
| rodrigo_ | huats, so, if you start working on something, just tell the list, and propose a branch merge | 10:27 |
| rodrigo_ | that's all :) | 10:28 |
| huats | rodrigo_, ok that is way to coordonate :) | 10:28 |
| huats | rodrigo_, thanks for letting me know | 10:28 |
| rodrigo_ | huats, for the stuff we don't have branches yet (e-d-s, evo, etc), just branch from the ubuntu-desktop branch and we'll push that to a gnome3-team branch | 10:28 |
| huats | ok | 10:28 |
| rodrigo_ | huats, well, to be honest, we haven't used the list much to tell what we were working on :) | 10:29 |
| huats | (I have seen that since I gave a look at the archives since :) ) | 10:29 |
| huats | rodrigo_, I don't know if you used the url I mentioned (andthat I was looking) but it worked quite well in the past in the desktop team | 10:30 |
| huats | may be having smething similar might be a good idea :) | 10:30 |
| rodrigo_ | huats, hmm, which url? | 10:30 |
| huats | rodrigo_, http://people.canonical.com/~platform/desktop/versions.html | 10:30 |
| rodrigo_ | ah yes, we use that | 10:30 |
| rodrigo_ | robert_ancell changed it to show the 3.0 versions | 10:31 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, oh, if you feel like it might be worth trying to clean some of the unity or indicator warnings spamming .xsession-errors | 10:31 |
| chrisccoulson | sure, i can look at that | 10:31 |
| huats | rodrigo_, do you have the url for the 3.0 ppa ? | 10:31 |
| rodrigo_ | huats, https://edge.launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3 | 10:31 |
| huats | no I might misunderstood you, but I thought you mention that robert set up a web page like the one I just showed you but focussed on the gnome3 ppa | 10:33 |
| huats | and I was asking if you have that ur l :) | 10:33 |
| huats | (or may be I should ask robert directly :)) | 10:33 |
| rodrigo_ | huats, no, it's the same page, but it shows the 3.0 versions also | 10:33 |
| huats | rodrigo_, pfff I think I might need some sleep : I just realized the 2 versions separated by a / :) | 10:35 |
| rodrigo_ | huats, see the Ubuntu and Upstream columns | 10:35 |
| rodrigo_ | huats, heh | 10:35 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, ok, other goal for you, can you make unity print the g_debug output in a log rather than spamming .xsession-errors? | 10:35 |
| seb128 | didrocks, ^ | 10:35 |
| mvo | seb128: hm, not on my (slightly outdated box, will try on a second one in a bit, just finishing some code) | 10:36 |
| huats | rodrigo_, thanks | 10:36 |
| didrocks | seb128: I thought you told that you would tackle it some weeks ago? | 10:36 |
| huats | Ineed to go right now, but I'll come back later and try to start workng on something | 10:36 |
| seb128 | didrocks, yeah, you know how it goes ;-) | 10:37 |
| didrocks | :-) | 10:37 |
| seb128 | didrocks, well it's stable time now I would turn debug off by default | 10:37 |
| seb128 | but anyway let's see if chrisccoulson can help there | 10:37 |
| didrocks | yeah, I've other more important things to fix now | 10:38 |
| pitti | seb128, didrocks: WDYT about turning off apport by default tomorrow? | 10:42 |
| pitti | do you still depend on it for tracking down stuff? | 10:42 |
| seb128 | pitti, the later the better this cycle | 10:42 |
| seb128 | pitti, I want to see what segfaults are still there in the new unity | 10:42 |
| seb128 | but one day should be enough | 10:43 |
| didrocks | pitti: sounds good to me, most of people reporting stacktrace now are using the "light" report, so we get unuseful stacktrace though… | 10:43 |
| pitti | oh, they do? why | 10:43 |
| pitti | ah, I think it sometimes displays vastly inflated numbers for the size of the full one | 10:44 |
| pitti | I saw it display "130 MB" or so, but it's counting uncompressed size | 10:44 |
| pitti | the core dump usually melts down to more like 5 | 10:44 |
| seb128 | because people judge they don't have enough upload for those | 10:44 |
| pitti | meh; let's hope it's usually enough to at least identify it as a dupe | 10:44 |
| pitti | most of the time when I tried to report one, I already got several existing ones with teh same title | 10:45 |
| pitti | sorry about that; need to fix for o | 10:45 |
| seb128 | no worry | 10:45 |
| didrocks | pitti: no worry, but yeah, being more incitating on the "full" version can be nice :) | 10:46 |
| seb128 | I've restarted the amd64 retracer | 10:46 |
| seb128 | it had a lock and a log with no error but not updated since 3am this night | 10:46 |
| seb128 | not sure why it stopped, let's see if just removing the lock is enough | 10:46 |
| abhinav- | pitti: Hi, smb approved this proposal yesterday, I made a few small changes again today. is it too late for natty now ? https://code.launchpad.net/~er-abhinav-upadhyay/ubuntu/natty/tomboy/patch-757635/+merge/58303 | 10:47 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, yeah, ok, so if you have time try to clean warnings and errors in the bug, those might point real issues and maybe for bonus point make unity g_debug calls log into a unity.log | 10:47 |
| seb128 | didrocks, ^ | 10:47 |
| fta | pitti, most people don't upload full report for chromium because of the announced size, which is always wrong, stuff like 230MB, 370MB, ... | 10:48 |
| pitti | fta: same problem I guess | 10:48 |
| chrisccoulson | heh, my ~/.xsession-errors is 150kB, and i restarted my session less than 1 hour ago | 10:48 |
| fta | pitti, yep, that was just a +1 :) | 10:48 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: (nautilus:1700): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_value_get_object: assertion `G_VALUE_HOLDS_OBJECT (value)' failed | 10:48 |
| pitti | ? | 10:48 |
| pitti | 800 kB/2 hours | 10:49 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - mostly "(xchat-gnome:3012): Gdk-CRITICAL **: _gdk_pixmap_new: assertion `(width != 0) && (height != 0)' failed" | 10:49 |
| chrisccoulson | and some similar ones from nm-applet too | 10:49 |
| chrisccoulson | brb | 10:52 |
| seb128 | the spamming is mostly that here: | 10:53 |
| seb128 | (<unknown>:8523): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: invalid (NULL) pointer instance | 10:53 |
| seb128 | (<unknown>:8523): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_signal_handler_disconnect: assertion `G_TYPE_CHECK_INSTANCE (instance)' failed | 10:53 |
| pitti | didrocks: did a test install in kvm (for testing another bug), and now got the dialog about "you can't run unity blabla" (but not on the live system); so that works as it should, nice! | 10:54 |
| didrocks | pitti: excellent! thanks for confirming :) | 10:54 |
| pitti | seb128: hm, seems that everyone got a different spam source now :/ | 10:54 |
| didrocks | seb128: pitti: on bug #728745 seems people are trying nvidia with nouveau when the other driver doesn't work. Hoping that the environment variable to set won't upset them :) | 10:56 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 728745 in unity "[nvidia, 7300, 7400] display freeze when using unity desktop" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/728745 | 10:56 |
| seb128 | pitti, yeah... :-( | 10:57 |
| seb128 | didrocks, well those are technical users, most users which a frozen session will not know what to do | 10:57 |
| seb128 | they will just think their install and screwed and reinstall | 10:58 |
| seb128 | or install another os | 10:58 |
| didrocks | ok, let's put them in the classic "no effect" then | 10:58 |
| seb128 | didrocks, bug #764379 might be in a similar case | 11:07 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 764379 in nvidia-graphics-drivers "Partial screen corruption and poor performance on GeForce 6150" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/764379 | 11:07 |
| seb128 | didrocks, though nouveau doesn't work for that one | 11:08 |
| didrocks | seb128: blacklisting then | 11:09 |
| didrocks | UNITY_BLACKLIST_DISABLE is a good env name for you? | 11:09 |
| seb128 | didrocks, we should maybe tag those card specific issues in some way and do a sru a bit later | 11:09 |
| pitti | didrocks: UNITY_DONT_CHECK ? | 11:10 |
| pitti | or UNITY_FORCE_START to avoid a negation? | 11:10 |
| seb128 | I was going to suggest something around pitti's suggestion | 11:10 |
| didrocks | pitti: it's not FORCE_START, it's just for the blacklist | 11:10 |
| didrocks | you want to totally disable the checking? | 11:10 |
| pitti | didrocks: you don't? | 11:10 |
| pitti | might be interesting for testing | 11:11 |
| didrocks | I was just disabling the blacklist | 11:11 |
| pitti | didrocks: but really, doens't matter much either way | 11:11 |
| didrocks | hum, checking on gnome-session | 11:11 |
| pitti | it's a secret option only which should only come up in bug reports | 11:11 |
| didrocks | don't remember if I added that ;) | 11:11 |
| seb128 | well the check tools is only used by gnome-session? | 11:11 |
| didrocks | seb128: yeah | 11:11 |
| seb128 | i.e those people can tweak their .session? | 11:11 |
| didrocks | exactly | 11:12 |
| seb128 | if they want to skip the checking | 11:12 |
| didrocks | (until the next gnome-session update) | 11:12 |
| didrocks | seb128: wait, on bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nux/+bug/728745, rereading it, isn't the xorg freeze? | 11:49 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 728745 in nux "[nvidia, 7300, 7400] display freeze when using unity desktop" [High,Fix committed] | 11:49 |
| didrocks | seb128: people don't report that freeze from the start of the session | 11:49 |
| seb128 | didrocks, seems like that when unity start it screw things | 11:51 |
| didrocks | seb128: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nux/+bug/728745/comments/7 | 11:52 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 728745 in nux "[nvidia, 7300, 7400] display freeze when using unity desktop" [High,Fix committed] | 11:52 |
| seb128 | didrocks, it doesn't render things as it should or doesn't react to clicks | 11:52 |
| didrocks | seems like after a grab rather | 11:52 |
| didrocks | seb128: there is the xorg (which is in fact a kernel) freeze as well | 11:52 |
| seb128 | well it doesn't happen in a constant way? | 11:52 |
| seb128 | but anyway feel free to do what you judge best for the bug | 11:52 |
| didrocks | I'm afraid we are rushing on blacklisting card we shouldn't | 11:53 |
| seb128 | even if it's unity making xorg lock it's still a broken unity session imho | 11:53 |
| seb128 | ok, got to go, food is ready and i've a call at 2 | 11:53 |
| didrocks | seb128: it happens here to, (once a day), and for chrisccoulson as well | 11:53 |
| seb128 | brb | 11:53 |
| didrocks | if we were going to blacklist our cards… ;) | 11:53 |
| seb128 | didrocks, well that bug seems it happen on login every time | 11:53 |
| didrocks | seb128: not from comment 7, I asked for more info | 11:53 |
| seb128 | ok thanks | 11:54 |
| === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch | ||
| rodrigo_ | hmm, huats sent a request for joining gnome3-team | 12:22 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, pitti: I assume yo know him well right? | 12:22 |
| rodrigo_ | so can I just accept him? | 12:22 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, yes | 12:22 |
| rodrigo_ | ok | 12:22 |
| seb128 | he has been an active contributor for some years and used to help on GNOME updates | 12:22 |
| rodrigo_ | oh, I can't accept people it seems | 12:23 |
| seb128 | he has been less around recently and busy with other things but it's fine to add him to the team | 12:23 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, yes, that's what I thought, just wanted to confirm | 12:23 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, can you accept him -> https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+member/christophe.sauthier please? | 12:23 |
| huats | rodrigo_, and seb128 thanks :) | 12:24 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, huats: done | 12:24 |
| seb128 | doh 20 members pending | 12:24 |
| rodrigo_ | huats, nah, you need to send us some French wine or food :) | 12:24 |
| seb128 | do we know any of the others? | 12:24 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, who are they? | 12:25 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, list on https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+members | 12:25 |
| didrocks | rodrigo_: and he's french, that's a ack on its own :) | 12:25 |
| * huats needs to run give a prensentation on the "Ubuntu community" | 12:25 | |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, but the names don't ring any bell | 12:25 |
| rodrigo_ | didrocks, well, I thought that before meeting you, so now I'm more careful with French people :) | 12:25 |
| huats | rodrigo_, please remind me that before we met :) | 12:25 |
| huats | (about food and wine) | 12:25 |
| huats | :) | 12:25 |
| rodrigo_ | huats, :) | 12:25 |
| didrocks | rodrigo_: ok, where is your application for ~ubuntu-desktop already? :-) | 12:26 |
| rodrigo_ | didrocks, :) | 12:26 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, JC Hulce is one of the guys from the gnome remix. we told him to send some merge proposals first | 12:26 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, I guess I should go through the list and add a comment for each saying that | 12:27 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, Jeremy Bicha has sent a few merge proposals, not sure if we should accept him for now | 12:27 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, no idea about the others | 12:27 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, ok | 12:27 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, let me know if you know of anyone that should be acked | 12:27 |
| seb128 | I didn't watch the ppa a lot recently but I will catch up once natty is wrapped | 12:28 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, not really, no idea who they are | 12:28 |
| chrisccoulson | hmmmm, is xchat still working? | 12:41 |
| chrisccoulson | seems to be | 12:41 |
| chrisccoulson | nice :) | 12:41 |
| chrisccoulson | and no critical errors | 12:42 |
| TheMuso | pitti: hrm ok you filled powerpc alternate, but we need to decide what to cull from powerpc desktop as its oversized. I can't make up my mind as to what we can cull, as we are at the point where functionality will have to be culled. The question is what. | 12:47 |
| mvo | chrisccoulson: do you mind if I upload http://paste.ubuntu.com/596518/ ? helps the upgader and should do no harm | 12:48 |
| chrisccoulson | mvo - sure, that's fine | 12:48 |
| chrisccoulson | i'll push it to bzr too | 12:48 |
| chrisccoulson | (or you could propose a merge) :) | 12:49 |
| chrisccoulson | lp:~mozillateam/nss/nss.head, i think | 12:49 |
| mvo | chrisccoulson: sure, will do that | 12:49 |
| chrisccoulson | thanks :) | 12:49 |
| mvo | https://code.launchpad.net/~mvo/nss/nss.mvo/+merge/58479 fyi, uploaded now, its waiting in the queue | 12:54 |
| pitti | TheMuso: TBH, at that point I'd just declare it done and document that you need a DVD or an USB stick | 12:55 |
| dpm | hey seb128, what was the context of the "Drop To Add Application" string in unity? Is it to drop an application icon to the launcher? | 12:55 |
| TheMuso | pitti: Right, DVD it will have to be then, due to powerpc not being able to boot from USB. | 12:56 |
| seb128 | dpm, yes, do a dnd from the dash to the launcher | 12:56 |
| TheMuso | pitti: Whats the task for release notes? There is a bug against ubuntu-meta for this, so I want to make sure its mentioned. | 12:56 |
| seb128 | dpm, ie in the application view for example | 12:56 |
| seb128 | dpm, it display it as a tooltip while you dnd over the launcher | 12:57 |
| pitti | TheMuso: feel free to directly add it to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyNarwhal/TechnicalOverview | 12:57 |
| TheMuso | Ok will take care of that tomorrow. Thanks. | 12:57 |
| pitti | TheMuso: thanks; good night! | 12:58 |
| dpm | thanks seb128 | 12:58 |
| seb128 | dpm, sorry I didn't send the email about it yesterday I was waiting the template import which has been taking a while, seems someone beat me to it today | 12:59 |
| dpm | seb128, yeah, no worries, all is good :) | 12:59 |
| * rodrigo_ lunch | 13:11 | |
| didrocks | seb128: you imported the pot yourself on Monday, isn't it? | 13:22 |
| seb128 | didrocks, unity? | 13:23 |
| didrocks | seb128: yeah, I remember we discussed this | 13:23 |
| seb128 | didrocks, dpm did yesterday but the launchpad side takes a while to process uploads | 13:23 |
| didrocks | ok | 13:23 |
| seb128 | didrocks, it's in now and already translated in frencg | 13:24 |
| didrocks | ok, nice :) | 13:24 |
| seb128 | in french | 13:24 |
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| === alecu-away is now known as alecu | ||
| mterry | Riddell, ping | 13:34 |
| Riddell | hi mterry | 13:40 |
| Riddell | oh aye, you had a dbusmenu patch | 13:40 |
| Riddell | mterry: have you run it by agateau? | 13:41 |
| mterry | Riddell, nope. shall I jump in the kubuntu channel? | 13:41 |
| Riddell | can do | 13:41 |
| seb128 | he's off this week | 13:42 |
| seb128 | he = agateau | 13:42 |
| Riddell | oh ok, thanks for letting us know seb128 | 13:44 |
| Riddell | mterry: in that case I'll just upload it and hope you know what you're doing :) | 13:44 |
| Riddell | it looks sensible to me | 13:44 |
| mterry | Riddell, :) | 13:45 |
| mterry | seb128, I'm testing the keyring patch, hopefully won't blow up in my face and I'll upload | 13:47 |
| seb128 | mterry, oh nice, did you get upstream to review it? | 13:48 |
| mterry | seb128, oh, I assumed that guy was upstream. :) Let me look at his history again | 13:48 |
| seb128 | mterry, "that guy"? I didn't read the bug for a while | 13:48 |
| mterry | yeah, upstream Stef provided a new patch | 13:49 |
| seb128 | ok, Stef is upstream ;-) | 13:49 |
| mterry | seb128, oh sorry :) I thought you were subscribed | 13:49 |
| seb128 | sorry I was a bit out of context for this one | 13:49 |
| mterry | seb128, yeah, he provided a new patch | 13:49 |
| seb128 | yeah, seems like I'm subscribed to gnome-keyring but not the lib | 13:49 |
| mterry | I can't reproduce, but as long as it doesn't crash for me, I think it's fine to put in, since it came from upstream | 13:49 |
| seb128 | right | 13:49 |
| seb128 | quite some users get it | 13:49 |
| seb128 | the retracer run into 2-3 of those a day | 13:50 |
| seb128 | natty starts feeling pretty solid, I don't find new bugs that really need to be worked by reading daily reports | 13:50 |
| pitti | great to hear! | 13:51 |
| mterry | seb128, hahah. now I get a different assert ;) | 13:56 |
| seb128 | mterry, :-( | 13:56 |
| Sweetshark | seb128: I still have bug 746375, which is not easy to reproduce. I will release a ppa version for that and ask the guys if it is gone. And I have bug 754562 which unfortunately will require some heavylifting in the code -> risk of regressions, release to ppa | 13:59 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 746375 in libreoffice "soffice.bin crashed with SIGSEGV in uno_type_sequence_construct()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/746375 | 13:59 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 754562 in libreoffice "soffice.bin crashed with SIGSEGV in g_hash_table_lookup()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/754562 | 13:59 |
| mterry | seb128, oh my mistake. Same assert. Which isn't much better | 13:59 |
| * Sweetshark lunches. | 14:00 | |
| mterry | seb128, but I can reproduce now. Using gvfs-mount on the command line over and over gets it pretty fast | 14:00 |
| seb128 | mterry, ok well at least being able to trigger it will be useful | 14:00 |
| seb128 | Sweetshark, right, you better target a sru for those, the sru updates get at least one week of testing before going to updates | 14:01 |
| seb128 | pedro_, hey | 14:24 |
| pedro_ | hello seb128 | 14:28 |
| seb128 | pedro_, how are you? | 14:28 |
| pedro_ | seb128, i'm good, thanks. what about you? | 14:29 |
| seb128 | pedro_, I'm fine thanks ;-) | 14:29 |
| pedro_ | seb128, finally a week with no kernel testing, so time to catch up with some desktop bugs ;-) | 14:29 |
| seb128 | pedro_, we are getting close from natty, is there any desktop bug you can think about that need to be worked and didn't yet? | 14:29 |
| pedro_ | evolution is a mess... | 14:30 |
| seb128 | nothing new there | 14:30 |
| pedro_ | m there's a couple of minor annoyances like bug 740104 | 14:30 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 740104 in compiz "Windows appear in the window list on adjacent workspaces" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/740104 | 14:30 |
| pedro_ | but looks like that's being tracked already, but haven't seen any progress yet | 14:31 |
| pedro_ | that'd be nice to fix though, is pretty confusing | 14:31 |
| seb128 | it's a compiz bug yeah, not sure if smspillaz can work on it | 14:31 |
| seb128 | pedro_, but it's in classic GNOME only right? | 14:31 |
| pitti | the shadow spillover isn't, though | 14:32 |
| pedro_ | seb128, yeah on classic, since it's related to the window list | 14:32 |
| pedro_ | bug 753369 is also something that's affecting lot of users | 14:32 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 753369 in compiz "compiz artifacts in chromium, xchat, opera... you name it" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/753369 | 14:32 |
| seb128 | that one is assigned and being worked | 14:33 |
| pedro_ | the others are being tracked already, so nothing on the top of my head atm | 14:34 |
| pedro_ | besides the ones already mentioned | 14:34 |
| seb128 | ok | 14:35 |
| seb128 | pedro_, there is a brasero one easy to trigger if you want to check upstream, try to run it twice | 14:35 |
| seb128 | pedro_, it's one of the recent bugs which have the same titles, they are not duplicates though so don't close it if you triage it ;-) | 14:35 |
| pedro_ | seb128, ok i'll have a look ;-) | 14:36 |
| seb128 | thanks | 14:36 |
| seb128 | ok, nothing special in today retracing, unity is table | 14:36 |
| pedro_ | you're welcome monsieur | 14:36 |
| seb128 | stable | 14:36 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 14:37 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - so, i figured out why nm-applet spams xsession-errors (which seems to be one of the biggest offenders for me) | 14:42 |
| chrisccoulson | but i'm not sure what to do about it. it's a broken theme (bug 767186) | 14:43 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 767186 in ubuntu-mono "nm-signal-* icons break nm-applet" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/767186 | 14:43 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, can you talk to sladen about the issue see if he can get it fixed for natty or in a sru? | 14:43 |
| seb128 | he's maintaining ubuntu-mono | 14:44 |
| * ogra_ hopes we advance one day to ubuntu-stereo | 14:45 | |
| chrisccoulson | ogra_, lol ;) | 14:50 |
| chrisccoulson | do you want to bring the tumbleweed, or shall i? ;) | 14:50 |
| ogra_ | that probably requires a dual-core sladen though :P | 14:51 |
| chrisccoulson | heh:) | 14:51 |
| ogra_ | yeah, sorry, couldnt resist that one :) | 14:51 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, do you get such warnings? | 14:52 |
| seb128 | (<unknown>:8523): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: invalid cast from `(null)' to `BamfView' | 14:52 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - no, i don't have any of those | 14:53 |
| chrisccoulson | "unknown" - that's useful :) | 14:53 |
| seb128 | that's unity | 14:53 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, you don't have those either? | 14:57 |
| seb128 | (<unknown>:1657): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: instance of invalid non-instantiatable type `(null)' | 14:57 |
| seb128 | (<unknown>:1657): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_signal_handler_disconnect: assertion `G_TYPE_CHECK_INSTANCE (instance)' failed | 14:57 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - yeah, i've got those | 14:58 |
| seb128 | can you check on that next? | 14:58 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, sure | 14:58 |
| seb128 | I think I got the bamf ones after play a bit adding launcher by dragging those from the dash and deleting those | 14:58 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, thanks | 14:58 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - do you get these from nautilus too: (nautilus:8232): GConf-CRITICAL **: gconf_value_free: assertion `value != NULL' failed ? | 14:59 |
| seb128 | yes | 14:59 |
| seb128 | would be nice to debug as well | 14:59 |
| seb128 | 203 (<unknown>:8523): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_signal_handler_disconnect: assertion `G_TYPE_CHECK_INSTANCE (instance)' failed | 15:02 |
| seb128 | 219 ** (process:1683): DEBUG: zeitgeist-datahub.vala:174: Inserting 1 events | 15:03 |
| seb128 | 22 (<unknown>:8493): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_signal_handler_disconnect: assertion `G_TYPE_CHECK_INSTANCE (instance)' failed | 15:03 |
| seb128 | 328 (<unknown>:8523): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: invalid cast from `BamfWindow' to `BamfApplication' | 15:03 |
| seb128 | 168 (<unknown>:8523): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: invalid (NULL) pointer instance | 15:03 |
| seb128 | quite some spamming | 15:03 |
| seb128 | (the first number are the counts) | 15:04 |
| seb128 | go unity :p | 15:04 |
| seb128 | nautilus is first spammer though it seems | 15:04 |
| chrisccoulson | ah, debugging unity sucks. there are some gdbus related errors first, and i'm not sure how i can skip those and catch the ones that happen more often :/ | 15:04 |
| chrisccoulson | if i do G_DEBUG=fatal_criticals, it will abort on the less interesting errors first | 15:05 |
| seb128 | try to break on the function from the other ones, with some luck it's not hit a lot before | 15:05 |
| seb128 | or try the test-panel binary in the vcs | 15:06 |
| seb128 | it's handy since it let you run a standalone unity-panel service | 15:06 |
| seb128 | which loads indicators etc which seem to be what create most of the warnings | 15:06 |
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| mpt | hey and471 | 16:02 |
| and471 | hey mpt | 16:02 |
| GunnarHj | pitti: It looks like you in effect redid the l-s backports merge this morning. For next time I'll try to figure out the proper way to do it. Bazaar Explorer tells you that the branches diverged (which is true)... | 16:02 |
| GunnarHj | pitti: Thanks for your patience! | 16:02 |
| mpt | pitti (or anyone), what's the package that does the "Install Multimedia Plugins" process? | 16:02 |
| pitti | GunnarHj: not really, I merged and just updated teh changelog | 16:02 |
| pitti | GunnarHj: there's no need to copy the previous changelog entry, as the locale handlnig didn't actually changed in this version; you just merged the security fix | 16:03 |
| pitti | mpt: I believe it's gnome-codec-install | 16:03 |
| mpt | thanks pitti | 16:04 |
| seb128 | mpt, gnome-codec-install iirc | 16:05 |
| seb128 | oh, pitti replied already | 16:05 |
| GunnarHj | pitti: Yeah, it's the "merge the security fix" part, i.e. merge particular revisions only, that I need to learn. Or have I got it wrong completely? | 16:06 |
| pitti | GunnarHj: no, the actual code chagnes/merge were quite perfect | 16:08 |
| pitti | GunnarHj: just the changelog was a bit fiddly; partly because bzr likes to mess up changelogs, and partly because you described the changes of the original backport instead of the changes _since_ the previous -backports version | 16:09 |
| pitti | GunnarHj: i. e. conceptually what you do is to merge *from* -updates *into* -backports; you don't re-do the backport from scratch on a new -updates base | 16:09 |
| pitti | as for how to read/write the changelog | 16:10 |
| GunnarHj | pitti: You are right about how I did it conceptually. Reason: Bazaar Explorer complained... | 16:16 |
| GunnarHj | pitti: Maybe the problem simply is that these defensive backports updates are urgent, and for that reason I haven't really taken the time to figure out how to do it the proper way. Will be better next time. ;-) | 16:16 |
| pitti | GunnarHj: ideally you would just check out lp:ubuntu/maverick-backports/language-selector, and then run bzr merge lp:ubuntu/maverick-security/language-selector | 16:17 |
| pitti | that's how it's meant to work in the new world order | 16:18 |
| GunnarHj | pitti: I see. That's what I'll try first next time, then. | 16:19 |
| mvo | so sometimes pressing super in unity does not give me shortcuts for the 1-n keys, the numbers are not highlighted n the launcher, only "s", "a", "f". and super-1 does not launch my terminal. any idea what that could be? this is a upgrade from today with nouveau | 16:21 |
| didrocks | mvo: can you check you only have one compiz process running? | 16:22 |
| didrocks | james_w: hey, I think you won't update bzr builder into natty anymore (and we will keep a broken "bzr: ERROR: Unable to determine the previous upload for --package-merge.") for some branches, isn't it? | 16:26 |
| james_w | hi didrocks | 16:26 |
| james_w | jelmer was going to get it in to Debian so we could sync | 16:27 |
| mvo | didrocks: sure, just did that, just one compiz | 16:27 |
| didrocks | james_w: excellent! :-) I still keep a trunk branch meanwhile ;) | 16:27 |
| didrocks | mvo: hum… weird :/ | 16:27 |
| james_w | didrocks, yeah, hopefully we can have it in tomorrow, but you'll be building many packages before then I expect :-) | 16:27 |
| didrocks | mvo: the weird thing is that the shortcuts (keybinding don't work) | 16:27 |
| didrocks | james_w: well, just the two latest, hopefully, no worry for now :-) | 16:28 |
| mvo | didrocks: well, super-s super-a work | 16:30 |
| didrocks | mvo: the code is really stupid in that area, so there is really something not attributing them :/ | 16:31 |
| dbarth | Cimi: are you really, really sure you want to make this change now? | 16:34 |
| mvo | didrocks: no worries, I will ignore it for now, let me know if I can do anyhting to help with this | 16:34 |
| Cimi_ | dbarth: which change? | 16:34 |
| didrocks | mvo: I think this will certainly end up with printf at UDS :) | 16:34 |
| mvo | ahah | 16:35 |
| lucazade | rodrigo_ : ping | 16:38 |
| rodrigo_ | lucazade, pong | 16:39 |
| Sweetshark | pitti: ping? | 16:40 |
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| lucazade | i've tried the issue of gnome-settings-daemon with a physical installation and it is not present (only in virtuabox) | 16:40 |
| lucazade | installed from scratch and with all updates | 16:41 |
| rodrigo_ | lucazade, ok, good to know that the bug's severity is lower then | 16:41 |
| lucazade | rodrigo_ it seems related to vbox video drivers | 16:41 |
| lucazade | ok just to let you know | 16:42 |
| rodrigo_ | lucazade, yes, xrandr plugin, not sure though what makes the indicator patch raise the bug though | 16:42 |
| lucazade | rodrigo_ mystery ! | 16:42 |
| rodrigo_ | lucazade, yeah :) | 16:42 |
| dbarth | Cimi: the merge prop. tedg is talking about | 16:46 |
| Cimi | dbarth: it's a feature requested by mark and rick | 16:48 |
| pitti | Sweetshark: (on phone); just ask your question, I'll respond later | 16:50 |
| Sweetshark | pitti: I tought I gave you a upload without regenerating control (and ending up with a LO-l10n control file), but it seems now that was a false alarm. | 16:53 |
| pitti | Sweetshark: at least it built the expected packages :) | 16:54 |
| pitti | I haven't restarted unity yet to check whether the bug is fixed, though | 16:54 |
| * Sweetshark drops his heartrate below 150 again. | 16:55 | |
| Sweetshark | pitti: Well, it did with my locally build *.deb | 16:55 |
| Sweetshark | hmmm, I think I found a good way to reproduce a unity crash: Run claws-mail, minimize it, run "DISPLAY=:0 unity" on a vt -> uunity crashes | 16:59 |
| seb128_ | well why would you run unity if it's already running? | 16:59 |
| seb128_ | btw no need to set DISPLAY the unity wrapper will do that for you | 16:59 |
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| dbarth | Cimi: where is the branch proposal? | 17:09 |
| Cimi | dbarth: https://code.launchpad.net/~cimi/ayatana-scrollbar/hide-thumb-on-selection/+merge/58296 | 17:09 |
| Cimi | dbarth: and I need the new blacklist | 17:25 |
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| rodrigo_ | ok, going out for a bit. Will be on national holidays till Tuesday, but will check mail so if there's anything you want from me, please send mail | 17:40 |
| rodrigo_ | have a nice week | 17:40 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, slacker!!! | 17:44 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, sorry... enjoy ;-) | 17:45 |
| seb128 | still one day before the long weekend here | 17:45 |
| pitti | rodrigo_: enjoy! | 17:50 |
| jcastro | hey seb128: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/687567 | 18:02 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 687567 in unity "Global menu causes white "flashes" when scrubbing/moving with mouse fast over menus" [High,Confirmed] | 18:02 |
| seb128 | hey jcastro | 18:02 |
| seb128 | yes? | 18:02 |
| jcastro | sorry wrong bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/askubuntu-lens/+bug/758839 | 18:03 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 758839 in gwibber/unity-lens-gwibber "Lens doesn't start on login" [High,Confirmed] | 18:03 |
| jcastro | so there's an issue with python lenses not loaded on login | 18:03 |
| seb128 | the first one is a compiz setting to tweak, someone pinged didrocks about that today iirc but not sure if that's happening for natty | 18:03 |
| jcastro | and DX is sprinting now or something, I would like to escalate this bug (or whatever process) | 18:03 |
| didrocks | it's not happening in natty, it's sent to backlog | 18:04 |
| jcastro | (the first bug was just cruft from my buffer, I mean to talk about lenses) | 18:04 |
| didrocks | jcastro: I tried, but it won't be fixed for natty, maybe a 0 day SRU | 18:04 |
| dbarth | jcastro: what's up? | 18:04 |
| jcastro | oh ok, SRU would be fine | 18:04 |
| seb128 | didrocks, well johnlea comment #20 suggested to disable the option in compiz as a workaround for this cycle | 18:04 |
| jcastro | dbarth: I am concerned that we talked to people to make lenses, and none of the python ones work | 18:05 |
| didrocks | seb128: right, but as told this will impact all the other fading effect | 18:05 |
| didrocks | seb128: and won't upgrade beta users, so we will still have those things | 18:05 |
| seb128 | didrocks, ok, could you maybe add a comment on the bug saying so? | 18:05 |
| didrocks | seb128: it's sent to backlog, isn't it? | 18:06 |
| seb128 | jcastro, we need kamstrup de look at your issue basically, talk to njpatel | 18:06 |
| didrocks | I pinged them for that already and kamstrup is aware of it | 18:06 |
| kees | okay, when I hit super, I get the app-search window thing (what's this called?). but clicking any of the top row doesn't do anything. | 18:06 |
| didrocks | seb128: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/687567/comments/19 | 18:06 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 687567 in unity "Global menu causes white "flashes" when scrubbing/moving with mouse fast over menus" [High,Confirmed] | 18:06 |
| didrocks | it's on the bug report | 18:06 |
| jcastro | kees: that's the dash | 18:07 |
| didrocks | bug then,John commented, not sure he's aware that it won't work on upgrade | 18:07 |
| kees | jcastro: "dash"! okay, thanks. | 18:07 |
| kees | jcastro: any idea why the top row of buttons don't do anything? | 18:07 |
| jcastro | that sounds like a bug | 18:07 |
| seb128 | didrocks, I don't even know what that means, users don't know the unity team process, especially that the workaround suggested by john was a compiz one | 18:09 |
| seb128 | kees, "dash" | 18:09 |
| seb128 | kees, do you have unity-place-applications installed? | 18:09 |
| didrocks | seb128: see the comment | 18:09 |
| seb128 | didrocks, right and in comment #20 johnlea replied saying to do it anyway | 18:10 |
| kees | seb128: I do not; how did that happen, I wonder. :P | 18:10 |
| didrocks | seb128: go for it if you want, I prefer to fix an intellihide for now | 18:10 |
| seb128 | kees, you use command line tools that don't handle recommends correctly? | 18:11 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 18:11 |
| seb128 | kees, bug #759262 on the topic, at least update-manager should ensure those are installed | 18:11 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 759262 in update-manager "Important Unity components not installed after update-manager -d upgrade" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/759262 | 18:12 |
| kees | seb128: nope, I instlal recommends. I think the problem is that if a package is already installed and its recommends change, apt doesn't do it. not sure. | 18:12 |
| kees | but yup, installing that makes the top line of the dash work. | 18:12 |
| kees | jcastro: and "dock" or "launcher" for the left edge dingus? | 18:13 |
| seb128 | kees, mvo claims it should but also says that if the recommends are not installable it just skip those and doesn't suggest them later on | 18:13 |
| kees | seb128: ah, I bet that's what happened. | 18:13 |
| kees | seb128: actually, I lied, it still doesn't work. do I have restart unity after installing that? | 18:13 |
| seb128 | kees, not sure I never tried to start without them | 18:13 |
| seb128 | but doesn't hurt to alt-f2 unity if you don't mess your applications to be shuffled around | 18:14 |
| seb128 | compiz is not great at keeping things where they are on restart | 18:14 |
| jcastro | kees: it's "launcher" | 18:14 |
| kees | jcastro: cool | 18:15 |
| jcastro | kees: http://askubuntu.com/questions/10228/whats-the-right-terminology-for-unitys-ui-elements/19166#19166 | 18:15 |
| kees | jcastro: well hey, look at that. nice. :) | 18:17 |
| didrocks | seb128: are you uploading compiz? | 18:24 |
| seb128 | didrocks, no, I've no clue what setting to change and how and where | 18:25 |
| seb128 | didrocks, we can do it in a sru later on | 18:25 |
| didrocks | seb128: still won't upgrade people, so worthless | 18:25 |
| seb128 | didrocks, I don't feel like tweakings settings I don't understand just before the freeze but I might check with smspillaz tomorrow | 18:25 |
| seb128 | didrocks, it's the first impression you get on new installs | 18:26 |
| didrocks | seb128: same for me, hence the fact I didn't change | 18:26 |
| seb128 | well I know on my nb it's very noticable | 18:26 |
| didrocks | seb128: I don't get it, I can't tell | 18:26 |
| seb128 | oh, I do it | 18:26 |
| seb128 | I will show you at UDS ;-) | 18:26 |
| didrocks | :) | 18:26 |
| didrocks | I don't have it either on my nvidia, nor intel card | 18:26 |
| seb128 | weird, but at least it's not everybody getting it | 18:27 |
| didrocks | seb128: if we tweak the settings, the fade will disappear from all the change, hence the fact I don't want to change it in a rush (especially when we decided to push it back) | 18:28 |
| nessita | seb128: thanks for the upload! you rock :-) | 18:30 |
| seb128 | nessita, yw ;-) | 18:30 |
| mterry | tremolux, heyo! Does software center have plans to keep track of installed applications? | 18:32 |
| mterry | tremolux, (in the sense that it could install them again on a fresh install) | 18:32 |
| tremolux | mterry: heyo back! | 18:33 |
| tremolux | mterry: I think that is the purpose of OneConf, and we have very regretfully unable to give it the attention it deserves during Natty | 18:34 |
| tremolux | mterry: or, one purpose of OneConf, with didrock's plugin functionality for s-c | 18:35 |
| didrocks | right, I just have been able to update to the new s-c API | 18:35 |
| didrocks | nothing more… | 18:35 |
| mterry | tremolux, ah, interesting. I remember discussions about oneconf, but didn't know that angle | 18:35 |
| tremolux | mterry: I assume you are talking about a recent post about Deja Dup in the Oneiric discussions | 18:36 |
| mterry | tremolux, yeah | 18:36 |
| didrocks | mterry: it's in universe, you can install it (using desktopcouch, which should change for next cycle) | 18:36 |
| pitti | good night everyone | 18:38 |
| tremolux | 'night pitti! | 18:38 |
| tremolux | mterry, didrocks: it has such nice potential, hopefully we can really do it up for Oneiric | 18:39 |
| kenvandine | good night pitti | 18:39 |
| didrocks | good night pitti | 18:39 |
| didrocks | tremolux: yeah, I agree, just need some time allocated to it :) | 18:40 |
| tremolux | didrocks: indeed! :) | 18:40 |
| tremolux | mterry: I wonder if you might make such a plugin for Deja Dup | 18:41 |
| tremolux | mterry: I think that would TOTALLY ROCK (tm) | 18:42 |
| mterry | tremolux, a plugin that interfaced with software-center? | 18:43 |
| mterry | or oneconf? | 18:43 |
| didrocks | mterry: oneconf is a plugin to s-c | 18:43 |
| didrocks | mterry: so, ideally, we can use the same backend service | 18:44 |
| didrocks | (it's dbus-activated) | 18:44 |
| didrocks | and just write the Déjà-Dup plugin | 18:44 |
| tremolux | mterry, didrocks: bbl, my family is clamoring for me to go have lunch (kids are off school this week) :) | 18:53 |
| didrocks | tremolux: enjoy | 18:53 |
| tremolux | thx! :) | 18:53 |
| * didrocks waves good evening | 19:30 | |
| * highvoltage waves back | 19:30 | |
| highvoltage | ah I see I kind of misunderstood that one | 19:32 |
| seb128 | pitti, bououh | 19:42 |
| seb128 | tedg, mterry: users comment on the emacs bug saying it still get the menus stripped when started from the dash | 19:45 |
| mterry | seb128, indeed, or if you start it with the command "emacs23" | 19:48 |
| mterry | because that gives it a different window class | 19:48 |
| * mterry works on a patch | 19:48 | |
| mterry | tedg, https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/appmenu-gtk/emacs23/+merge/58556 | 19:55 |
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| tedg | mterry, Are you going to distro patch that? | 20:18 |
| mterry | tedg, yea | 20:23 |
| mterry | tedg, I'm having problems uploading? Something about "no public key" gpg error when I try to upload... Can you distro patch it for me for today? | 20:44 |
| mterry | tedg, oh, nm | 20:45 |
| mterry | tedg, it apparently went through, but still gave me the error on the console | 20:45 |
| tedg | mterry, Oh, good, because I can't :-) | 20:45 |
| * mterry should still probably figure out what the problem was | 20:45 | |
| chrisccoulson | mterry, another case which will fail for emacs is if you set it as the alternative for /usr/bin/editor ;) | 21:09 |
| mterry | chrisccoulson, guh! | 21:09 |
| chrisccoulson | but, i don't think there's any way around that with the current blacklist implementation | 21:09 |
| chrisccoulson | (you certainly don't want to blacklist editor, as that could be anything) | 21:10 |
| mterry | chrisccoulson, good point... I suppose maybe we should set the env var UBUNTU_MENUPROXY emacs-side | 21:10 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, possibly | 21:10 |
| mterry | oneiric | 21:10 |
| chrisccoulson | what's the actual issue with emacs? | 21:11 |
| mterry | chrisccoulson, menus that get added dynamically (like, based on the type of file opened) by plugins don't show up | 21:12 |
| mterry | chrisccoulson, (they don't show because the menu isn't filled out) and emacs only fills them out when it receives an actual X button press to the menu, so it's hard to fake it and trick it into filling it out early | 21:13 |
| chrisccoulson | i'm sure the bookmarks menus in firefox work in the same way (they are only populated when you open the menu), but that's working :/ | 21:14 |
| mterry | chrisccoulson, depends on how it gets populated. appmenu has some tricks for it (fakes a gtk activation signal), but emacs was looking for a very low-level X event that we don't want to be faking for all apps | 21:15 |
| chrisccoulson | ah, ok. that's probably why it works in firefox :) | 21:15 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~chrisccoulson/unity/lp767642/revision/1169 ;) | 21:35 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, \o/ | 21:36 |
| chrisccoulson | so, that one, plus the nautilus issue (which i will look at now), and the nm-applet errors are the bulk of what is in my xsession-errors | 21:37 |
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| chrisccoulson | (and xchat-gnome too, but i fixed that one already) | 21:37 |
| chrisccoulson | i hope the icon theme gets fixed, because nm-applet probably is the worst offender for me :) | 21:38 |
| Sarvatt | now thats odd..You received this email because you are an admin of the GNOME3 Team team via the Ubuntu Desktop team. | 21:58 |
| * Sarvatt isn't in either | 21:58 | |
| chrisccoulson | Sarvatt - are you subscribed to the ubuntu-desktop list? | 21:59 |
| Sarvatt | ah yeah, the mail went to my launchpad folder and threw me off | 21:59 |
| Sarvatt | (not the ubuntu-desktop list one) | 22:00 |
| cyphermox | chrisccoulson, I agree for the nm-applet errors, it's really annoying | 22:07 |
| cyphermox | I trying to mess with the icons myself but it's taking me forever | 22:07 |
| chrisccoulson | cyphermox, yeah, i'm not that familiar with theming. i'm not sure if you can just edit the width attribute in the svg ;) | 22:11 |
| Sweetshark | chrisccoulson: were is that chat on bug 740815 from? | 22:13 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 740815 in xulrunner-2.0 "[FFe] Updates to enable us to drop xulrunner from main" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/740815 | 22:13 |
| chrisccoulson | Sweetshark, that's from #ubuntu-devel a little while ago | 22:14 |
| chrisccoulson | cyphermox, oh, editing the width attrbiute doesn't work ;) | 22:14 |
| chrisccoulson | that just chops off the edge of the icon :( | 22:14 |
| cyphermox | yeah | 22:16 |
| cyphermox | you need to adjust everything in like, inkscape | 22:16 |
| cyphermox | I'll get started on this, maybe we can have it ready soon enough | 22:16 |
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