[00:01] robert_ancell TheMuso RAOF bryceh https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2011-04-19 Meeting time! [00:01] Hey. [00:01] hi [00:02] morning everyone...hope everyone is enjoying these last few weeks before the release ;) [00:03] Yeah. [00:03] Just over a week now till the release. [00:03] Morning. [00:03] Alright, lets get to it! [00:03] [TOPIC] X Update [00:04] One broad class of compiz freezes fixed. [00:04] * DBO pokes RAOF [00:04] But bug #740126 has a different cause, seems to be intel-specific, and I'm working on it. [00:05] Launchpad bug 740126 in unity "compiz hangs randomly several times per day" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/740126 [00:06] Apart from that, there seems to be an Xserver crasher still lurking around, possibly associated with fullscreen flash. [00:06] ah flash... [00:07] ok...thanks, RAOF [00:07] Bug #764456 is an exemplar of that; the server dies in CallCallbacks. [00:07] Launchpad bug 764456 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "X crashes frequently with flash video playback" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/764456 [00:07] bryceh: Anything you want to add? [00:08] been focusing on the Arrandale external monitor issues this week, there's about a dozen bug reports notably 747205 as the primary. I suspect there are at least 3 distinct bugs that are getting mixed up. [00:08] of the three, the primary issue might be a DPMS issue in the kernel; possibly this can be worked around int he X driver; I have a patched driver in my ppa I'm having folks test [00:10] last week I worked on gpu lockup bugs for -intel and did some testing for unity/-ati corruption issues, but haven't nailed down any noteworthy fixes there. [00:10] * robert_ancell loves the random X crash [00:10] * jasoncwarner agrees with robert_ancell [00:10] Jay pinged me about that; I've filed a bug upstream about misrendering on r300g [00:11] robert_ancell: Lies! X crashes are myths perpetrated by evil aarvarks! [00:12] Ok...anything else of note? [00:12] or, moving on to [TOPIC] AOB ;) [00:12] I also wrote a GUI tool called xdiagnose to help people turn on debugging in the kernel [00:12] anyway, guess nothing else of note. lamenting loss of wayland, etc. [00:13] loss of wayland? [00:13] bryceh: We should discuss what to do with that at a session of UDS. [00:13] yes, I think so... [00:14] robert_ancell: Linking cairo with libGL causes a significant memory use increase for people with nvidia's libGL. [00:14] RAOF, *shrug* [00:14] (On the order of 5MiB per process linking to cairo on x86-64, apparently up to 20MiB/process on i386) [00:15] Youch. [00:16] bryceh: Well, we *will* want to have wayland in the archive - even in main - in the not too distant future. Even if we just decieded to say “sucks to be you, nvidia users”, we should probably decide that :) [00:16] RAOF, to be honest I'm kinda worn out... was a lot of work and is kind of a let down that it all ended up for naught [00:17] bryceh: might feel like that now, but we'll be using that soon enough! [00:17] anyway, I suppose if/when people start caring about wayland, the work can be undertaken again [00:17] just a stumbling block ;) [00:18] Anyway...sounds like we are about done...so thanks everyone...appreciate it! [00:18] thanks [00:18] Thanks. [00:19] Ta. [00:29] is everyone looking forward to UDS? [00:30] i dont want to go to hungary [00:30] is it because of the new constitution? [00:31] I always look forward to UDS. [00:31] Me too. [00:31] I'm excited. I haven't gotten a chance to go to Europe in years [00:33] i have to make sure i don't let my daughter find my passport! [00:33] she's already hidden it in the bin once already ;) [00:33] i don't want her to do that just before UDS :) [00:34] chrisccoulson, high shelves [00:34] DBO - yeah, it's on a high shelf now :) [00:35] altitude is the natural enemy of children [00:35] if you cant go for altitude, go for weight [00:36] dude budapest is like 1.7 million people... thats like twice as many as detroit... but probably a whole lot cleaner === bjf[afk] is now known as bjf [00:54] RAOF: hey, around ? [00:54] RAOF: my dad has this happening - [00:54] Error mounting location: DBus error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus) [00:55] RAOF: I've seen a few inconclusive bugs/forum posts [00:55] he's running maverick; are you interested in more data / helping get him functional ? [00:56] lifeless: I've seen something like the reverse of that when unmounting twice quickly enough that the first hasn't gone through before the second is triggered. [00:56] But more context would be good - what's your dad doing to get that message? [00:56] gvfs-mount ssh://10.0.0.16 [00:56] or via the GUI connect-to-server [00:57] originally only the gui failed, so I got him running gvfs-mount as a (fugly) workaround [00:57] dbus-monitor didn't show anything obviously bogus to me [but I don't practice enough to be sure whats good/bad] [00:58] I think that's a reasonably common gvfs error mode that gvfs has terrible reporting for. [00:59] I don't really have any suggestions on how to proceed, though. [00:59] It's not something that I'm particularly familiar with; robert_ancell might know more :) [01:00] unfortunately I don't know enough about gvfs to say [01:06] so, if network connectivity is up [01:06] and the machine on the other end is ubuntu [01:06] and ssh works [01:06] htf does one debug this? [01:08] * RAOF is clueless [01:15] kees: Pls see bug 766672. Were Martin's changes intended for Maverick? [01:15] Launchpad bug 766672 in language-selector "package language-selector-common 0.6.8 failed to install/upgrade: sub-processo script post-installation instalado retornou estado de saída de erro 2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/766672 [01:22] RAOF: robert_ancell: also worth noting is that it returns effectively instantly when it fails [01:22] not some arbitrary point later [01:31] I win at reading the entrails of X. [01:34] RAOF, what does it tell you? ;) [01:35] That if I cast 0xb78f660 to a DrawablePtr then I've found the drawable compiz is waiting on. [02:29] RAOF, bryceh, seems that with newer kernels/x bits on my ThinkPad, I can leave NVIDIA Optimus enabled in the BIOS, and natty now comes up and uses the intel controller only. So I can leave optimus turned on now for whenever I use windows. [02:29] That's pretty nice. [02:29] Yeah it is. [02:29] RAOF: robert_ancell: so, should I file a bug? Minimally the inability to debug network share access seems uhm important ? [02:30] lifeless: Please do file a bug. I'm not sure who we've got who'll be particularly good at looking at it, though. [02:35] RAOF: I'll pop round to his place in a bit and ubuntu-bug it up there [02:46] lifeless, :P [02:47] lifeless, oh I thought you meant my place, but of course you're not in this neighborhood now! [02:48] robert_ancell: indeed ;) [02:49] robert_ancell: Would be happy to drop in some day but needs a little more coord :> [02:52] TheMuso, good to hear [02:53] ok, /me -> EOD. time to go play in the garage === asac_ is now known as asac [07:17] Good morning === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter === smspilla1|zzz is now known as smspillaz [07:46] robert_ancell: btw, the gtk-doc upload keeps being in the queue; TBH I'm quite nervous about breaking package builds with a new version at this point [07:47] pitti, should I make a package with just the patch? It completely breaks distcheck at the moment [07:49] distcheck of gtk-doc? [07:49] I am looking forward to getting out of tree builds fixed, I painfully remember the workarounds I had to do in udev and other places [07:49] but it changes quite a bit more, too [07:51] pitti: Good morning, Martin! Can you please upload a backports update due to yesterday's security update? I suppose it's pretty urgent. https://code.launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/ubuntu/maverick/language-selector/backports-sec-update/+merge/58417 [07:52] Morning all! [07:52] robert_ancell: that patch is the main change of that version, so I think if we take it we can just as well take 1.17 completely [07:52] GunnarHj: ah, yes [07:52] Sweetshark: guten Morgen! [07:53] pitti, well, if we deliver 1.16 any project that uses gtk-doc.make and doesn't have it checked in is going to fail make dist :( [07:53] GunnarHj: you apparently have a conflict in debian/changelog, but I'll sort it out during merging [07:53] robert_ancell: that bug is ages old, though; why do [07:53] ... did it suddenly become worse? [07:54] pitti: I saw that bzr believes it's a conflict, but... [07:54] pitti, I don't know how no-one noticed it! It's only occurred in 1.16 right? [07:54] robert_ancell: I first noticed it maybe two years ago [07:54] I don't think that ever worked right [07:55] it's great to see it fixed, though; less crappy workarounds in udev, pygobject and friends [07:55] hmm, but it was working for me previously, so from my experience it has got worse [07:55] there was a previous failed attempt to fix it, so perhaps that made it worse [07:56] robert_ancell: do you have time to try and build udev, pygobject, and perhaps a GNOME library against the new version and debdiff the binaries to check that doc files are still where they belong? [07:56] pitti, ok, will do [07:56] thanks; that [07:56] darn [07:56] .. that'll give me a lot more confidence in it [07:57] * pitti needs to get used to this laptop keyboard again [07:59] pitti: there is a nice little libreoffice-3.3.2-1ubuntu4.dsc on chinstrap fixing bug 765010. [07:59] Launchpad bug 765010 in libreoffice "LibreOffice StartCenter’s desktop file has an empty value for Name[en]" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/765010 [08:03] good morning [08:19] pitti, pygobject and udev seem identical [08:21] nice [08:21] well, they both have workarounds to copy the full source tree into the source dir because of that :) [08:21] robert_ancell: ok, accepting [08:22] looking forward to trying it [08:22] didrocks: good morning ... [08:22] ... traitor! ;) [08:22] hey Sweetshark, pitti, robert_ancell! [08:22] Sweetshark: ahah :-) [08:22] debdiff is very odd when it returns nothing. Makes you wonder if it's done anything! [08:22] Sweetshark: sorry, LaTeX only annoys me when I need to upgrade with latex-full :-) [08:22] didrocks, morning! [08:22] robert_ancell: it should at least report some noise in the control files? [08:23] robert_ancell: and it says "file list identical" usually [08:23] pitti, should it? I'll double check [08:23] Sweetshark: TBH, the first version of my book (in 2006), was in gOOo, but it couldn't handle the number of images and I had to split it two files :/ [08:23] robert_ancell: LP queue page timed out again, so not too late to hold it back :) [08:28] didrocks: how did was it not able to handle the images? crashes? or hangs and mindboggling slowness? [08:29] mindboggling slowness… 500 pages, 250 images (most of them < 100x100px) [08:40] didrocks: there is a solution to that: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOoAuthors_User_Manual/Writer_Guide/Working_with_Master_Documents something that works in OOo/LO better than on MS Office \o/. [08:41] (I learned about that rather late too, unfortunately). [08:42] good morning everyone [08:42] pitti, hey, how much longer before no more uploads? I'm fixing up a few gcalctool bugs, should I upload now, or can I wait another 24 hours? [08:42] robert_ancell: gcalctool should be okay tomorrow, too [08:43] pitti, can you check my debdiff logic. I compile once with my gtk-doc package, and once with the current natty one. Then debdiffed like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/596430/ [08:44] pitti: but the LO fix should be uploaded today, right? [08:44] * Sweetshark looks nervous. [08:44] robert_ancell: that looks fine [08:44] Sweetshark: would be better, as it takes ages on arm [08:44] and we should have room for another emergency upload if that one fails [08:44] pitti: well, its on chinstrap already [08:45] hey desktopers [08:45] * Sweetshark waves at seb128. [08:45] hey pitti Sweetshark [08:45] hey robert_ancell [08:45] seb128, hello [08:46] Sweetshark: oh, want me to upload, or do you want to do more changes? [08:47] pitti: upload please! [08:47] yippie! [08:48] Sweetshark: would you mind uploading the debian.tar.gz, too? :-) [08:49] didrocks, have you seen something like bug 766630 before? [08:49] Launchpad bug 766630 in firefox "firefox have a "gap" between tabs and the panel " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/766630 [08:50] i've seen it before, but not for a while [08:50] but someone reported that yesterday [08:50] * Sweetshark grumbles. [08:51] pitti: yes, beacuse you asked so nicely ;) [08:51] * pitti bats eyelashes [08:51] chrisccoulson: yeah, seems to be a compiz bug. I've reproduced it sometimes, smspillaz can't reproduce it [08:51] didrocks, thanks. is there a master bug already? [08:52] chrisccoulson: there is one in compiz, I can find it later [08:52] thanks :) [08:52] my computer is in a pain with all the rebuilds right now :) [08:52] * Sweetshark just had Jehovas wittnesses at the door. [08:53] Sweetshark, you answered the door? [08:53] i always leave it to jo to answer the door in the daytime :) [08:53] (for that reason) [08:54] Sweetshark: "Ich habe auf Euch gewartet!!!" [08:54] * pitti remembers Michael Mittermeier [08:54] What a disappointment: a) I was expecting a Notebook delivery. b) I wasnt playing Iron Maiden at maximum volume. [08:55] pitti - i had to use google translate there ;) [08:55] Sweetshark: thanks, it just looks a lot more beautiful with a debian tarball! that talked me into uploading it [08:55] pitti: *hrhr* [08:55] chrisccoulson: it's a German comedian, there was an act where he describes what he does with Jehova's witnesses at the door [08:56] heh :) [09:01] seb128 - any more bugs you want me to look at today? [09:02] chrisccoulson, not right know but I'm doing my daily bug review so I will tell you if I find something ;-) [09:03] thanks :) [09:03] i will carry on hacking on my new firefox extension for now :) [09:09] morning === rodrigo__ is now known as rodrigo_ [09:10] hey rodrigo_ [09:11] * pitti assigns 58 bugs to rodrigo_, now that he's part of desktop team for real [09:11] *cough* I meant "great that it worked out!" [09:11] * pitti hugs rodrigo_ [09:12] did it? [09:12] hey rodrigo_ [09:15] morning rodrigo_ [09:18] hey pitti, official now? [09:18] hi seb128, didrocks [09:18] rodrigo_, congrats ;-) [09:18] cool!! [09:19] * rodrigo_ stops working and goes out to celebrate :D [09:20] * pitti is quite pleased with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus#rcbugs now [09:21] * didrocks hugs rodrigo_, welcome! :) [09:21] thanks didrocks [09:21] rodrigo_: welcome! [09:22] thanks Sweetshark and seb128 [09:22] so to celebrate, can someone sponsor this -> https://code.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/ubuntu/natty/webkit/fix-header/+merge/58395 please? [09:23] rodrigo_: oh, sure [09:23] pitti: (btw, nux waiting, nux waiting, nux waiting… it's kind, it won't bite :-)) [09:23] didrocks: already processing the queue [09:23] pitti, it's not critical, but needed for empathy in the gnome3 ppa, so can it go in? [09:23] rodrigo_: looks ok to me [09:23] pitti: you're too fast! :-) [09:23] ok [09:24] and still time to build on arm [09:24] when's the final timeline? [09:24] "The Unapproved queue is empty." yay [09:24] rodrigo_: practically, tomorrow; today for large pacakges like LibO/webkit [09:25] Easter holidays get in the way.. [09:25] pitti, ah cool, because I found a bug in evo-couchdb yesterday with jono, so I'm working on a fix [09:25] hopefully will get it done today [09:25] rodrigo_: gosh, it complains about () and wants (void)? [09:26] how stupid is that.. [09:26] pitti, that's for stuff compiled with --strict [09:26] right [09:26] yeah, quite dumb indeed [09:26] I still think these should be synonyms [09:26] yes [09:26] oh, btw [09:26] rodrigo_: you aren't in ~ubuntu-desktop yet? [09:27] pitti, I was, but then I was removed because of the process to accept people [09:27] someone complained when I started the rotation [09:27] that I hadn't followed the process to be accepted [09:28] rodrigo_: who except seb128 and me sponsored your work? [09:28] we need to find three people [09:28] I'll send an invite to the list [09:28] hmm [09:28] dholbach a couple of times iirc [09:29] pitti, ah, and kenvandine, although that was before my rotation [09:29] rotation doesn't matter [09:29] ok then [09:30] pitti, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RodrigoMoya/PerPackageUploadApplication [09:30] if that's useful [09:30] didrocks, pitti: so you do you have any opinion on those geforce cards not working with unity and nvidia but "working" with nouveau [09:31] it's likely users will go and activate nvidia and get no desktop [09:31] btw, can I propose this -> http://git.gnome.org/browse/couchdb-glib/commit/?id=f8765589465b16610e73fb37906716bade83efe6 for upload? [09:31] right, I think we should blacklist them in jockey then [09:31] morning mvo seb128 and pitti [09:31] do we consider nouveau to be solid enough and that they should use? [09:31] or should we send them to classic? [09:31] hey glatzor [09:31] it's not critical neither, but it removes a lot of warnings in the logs that people send [09:31] glatzor: Servus! [09:32] seb128: 2D yes, but on nvidia you currently get classic by default, don't you? [09:32] rodrigo_, seems fine to me [09:32] hey glatzor [09:32] pitti, do you? [09:32] mvo, it seems that the forzen_status context manager is still called in the forked child process if we just use os._exit. Very strange behavior [09:32] I don't think we should install nouveau-3d by default yet [09:32] seb128, ok, and since I have upload rights, I just dput and it will get reviewed, right? or do I need a merge proposal? [09:33] glatzor: oh, that is indeed puzzling, no atexit should be called for _exit() [09:33] pitti, well, whatever you get by default manage to run unity but nvidia gives you a frozen desktop on geforce 7300 and 7400 cards [09:33] seb128: classic for natty IMHO [09:33] pitti, so people get unity working, install nvidia, restart and get no desktop [09:33] feh [09:34] mvo, but this only happens if you send a ctrl+c to the forked client [09:34] pitti: we can only blacklist by pcid right now, not pcid + driver [09:34] didrocks: oh, bummer; the nux testing tool doesn't check the driver? [09:34] pitti: right, only pcids [09:34] and I don't feel we should change that now [09:34] door bell, brb [09:34] didrocks: but I still think blacklisting is safer at this point [09:35] so "sorry" for people wanting to try with nouveau? [09:35] didrocks, you just hate users admit it ;-) [09:35] seb128: damned, my secret!! :-) [09:35] seb128: nowdays it works ok-ish for my 8400, but its not that smooth and I get a crash every now and then [09:35] didrocks, tseliot's point that the nouveau driver is not very efficient and will lead to other issues [09:35] seb128: do you have the pcid btw? [09:36] yeah, I see a lot of people using it, but they get artifacts and such [09:36] yep [09:36] mvo, you can reproduce by adding a import pdb; pdb; pdb.set_trace() in the finally statement of the frozen_status method , and abort an installation with Crtl c [09:36] didrocks, we should probably recommend unity only when it will give a solid experience [09:37] seb128, didrocks: I really think the check should be in either unity or nux, so that users can still use nvidia with the classic desktop or with unity 2d [09:37] didrocks, #728745, it has some, like the apport infos has [09:37] "nVidia Corporation G72M [GeForce Go 7400] [10de:01d8] " [09:37] ok, looking to add it [09:37] we can ask for lspci infos from other commenters [09:37] seb128: can you handle that? I'm chasing a bugs in theme with unity [09:38] didrocks, yes [09:38] adding 10de:01d8 meanwhile [09:38] seb128: thanks :) [09:38] thanks [09:39] it will blacklist unity and compiz FYI [09:41] re [09:42] didrocks: is the blacklist in the code, or in any text file? [09:42] didrocks, the --unity and --compiz part of the helper don't have different lists? [09:42] pitti: it's in the code unfortunately [09:42] didrocks: can it be ignored with an environment variable or a command line optino? (that might also be useful for people testing drivers in a PPA, etc.) [09:43] seb128: no, despite my repeated demands [09:43] note that a full option is not required, just a very small "optino" one! [09:43] pitti: can add that [09:43] hmm [09:43] Changes file must be signed with a valid GPG signature: Verification failed 3 times: ["(7, 9, u'No public key')", "(7, 9, u'No public key')", "(7, 9, u'No public key')"] : Permission denied. [09:43] Note: This error might indicate a problem with your passive_ftp setting. [09:43] Please consult dput.cf(5) for details on this configuration option. [09:43] rodrigo_: argh, that again? [09:43] rodrigo_: just ignore it, it'll work anyway [09:43] again? it's the 1st time I see it [09:43] ah ok [09:46] pitti, I ran dput twice, so there are 2 identical uploads, can you remove one of them? [09:46] rodrigo_: yes, no problem [09:46] rodrigo_: yeah, it has haunted people in the last couple of weeks [09:46] also, can someone please merge this -> https://code.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/ubuntu/natty/couchdb-glib/remove-warnings/+merge/58453 ? [09:47] pitti, well, haven't used dput myself much in the last couple of weeks, that's why I didn't see it, I guess :) [09:47] rodrigo_: isn't that the very one you just uploaded? [09:47] pitti, yes [09:48] rodrigo_: done [09:49] thanks [10:05] seb128, I was wondering where to find some updates to do ) [10:05] :) [10:05] well may be not for natty, it is too late I assume [10:05] but I'd like to work again for oneiric... [10:05] and the page versions.html gave me a 404 [10:06] so it is not used anymore ? [10:08] bonjour huats [10:08] huats: it just moved to http://people.canonical.com/~platform/desktop/versions.html [10:08] hey pitti ! [10:08] thanks for the info [10:08] we'll have plenty of work to do for O :) [10:09] pitti, I know there is [10:09] and I'll do my best to help again [10:09] :) [10:10] hey huats, yeah new url is in the topic, we moved there like in start of the cycle, you have been away from packaging for a while ;-) [10:11] seb128, you know I have been away :) [10:11] huats, it's getting close from natty, hard freeze is tomorrow, so not really the best time for updates though, maybe universe ones [10:11] that was my idea (to not work on natty because of the hard freeze) [10:11] but to start update my tools :) to be able to work quite soon on oneiric [10:12] I'll give a look on universe [10:13] huats: sounds awesome! you have some more time to spend on FOSS stuff again? [10:13] huats: if you are interested, there's still plenty of work to do on the gnome 3 PPA [10:13] which isn't bound by the natty freeze [10:14] huats: it's kind of a staging area for oneiric anyway, but should also be useful for natty users who want to try it [10:16] let's say that I have spent sometime working on FOSS but I couldn't find time to work on ubuntu desktop :) [10:16] pitti, and yes I should be able to find some more time in the next months ! [10:16] tres bien! [10:16] indeed the gnome3 ppa is something quite interesting too [10:17] pitti, I'll give a look right now [10:18] mvo, have you seen bugs about http://paste.ubuntu.com/596474/ or similar before? [10:18] the error in english says that broken packages are in "keep in state" mode [10:19] huats, we have lots of things todo in the gnome3 ppa, like packaging e-d-s, evolution, gnome-panel, the new network manager, etc, so feel free to do it :) [10:20] rodrigo_, I'll give a look quite soon [10:20] rodrigo_, how do you coordonate inside the team ? (well if there is coordination :)) [10:21] seb128: what bug is that? [10:21] mvo, it's happening on my box, it's not a bug (yet) [10:21] in what context did it happen? [10:21] it usually mean that the poor reslver is confused [10:22] mvo, it seems that's when clicking a binary for upgrade in update-manager [10:22] ok [10:22] like I click on of the firefox-... which should make firefox to be checked as well [10:22] like firefox-branding [10:22] but instead of checking firefox as to upgrade as well it triggers apport [10:23] mvo, it's my way to select updates I want to do first, I tend to unselect all, click a few I want to try without waiting for other download, install those and then upgrade the remaining [10:24] mvo, bug #752104 [10:24] Launchpad bug 752104 in update-manager "update-manager crashed with SystemError in mark_install(): E:Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/752104 [10:24] seb128: right, I suspect its just confused over one dependency somewhere or a inconsitent archive [10:24] I'm not the only one ;-) [10:24] mvo, well I'm my system in that buggy state if you want, but it's easy to trigger with a natty box from yesterday where you didn't upgrade firefox yet [10:24] clicking on firefox select the other depends as it should [10:27] huats, there's a mailing list https://edge.launchpad.net/~gnome3-team [10:27] rodrigo_, yeah I have seen that :) [10:27] huats, also, there are branches -> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~gnome3-team [10:27] huats, so, if you start working on something, just tell the list, and propose a branch merge [10:28] that's all :) [10:28] rodrigo_, ok that is way to coordonate :) [10:28] rodrigo_, thanks for letting me know [10:28] huats, for the stuff we don't have branches yet (e-d-s, evo, etc), just branch from the ubuntu-desktop branch and we'll push that to a gnome3-team branch [10:28] ok [10:29] huats, well, to be honest, we haven't used the list much to tell what we were working on :) [10:29] (I have seen that since I gave a look at the archives since :) ) [10:30] rodrigo_, I don't know if you used the url I mentioned (andthat I was looking) but it worked quite well in the past in the desktop team [10:30] may be having smething similar might be a good idea :) [10:30] huats, hmm, which url? [10:30] rodrigo_, http://people.canonical.com/~platform/desktop/versions.html [10:30] ah yes, we use that [10:31] robert_ancell changed it to show the 3.0 versions [10:31] chrisccoulson, oh, if you feel like it might be worth trying to clean some of the unity or indicator warnings spamming .xsession-errors [10:31] sure, i can look at that [10:31] rodrigo_, do you have the url for the 3.0 ppa ? [10:31] huats, https://edge.launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3 [10:33] no I might misunderstood you, but I thought you mention that robert set up a web page like the one I just showed you but focussed on the gnome3 ppa [10:33] and I was asking if you have that ur l :) [10:33] (or may be I should ask robert directly :)) [10:33] huats, no, it's the same page, but it shows the 3.0 versions also [10:35] rodrigo_, pfff I think I might need some sleep : I just realized the 2 versions separated by a / :) [10:35] huats, see the Ubuntu and Upstream columns [10:35] huats, heh [10:35] chrisccoulson, ok, other goal for you, can you make unity print the g_debug output in a log rather than spamming .xsession-errors? [10:35] didrocks, ^ [10:36] seb128: hm, not on my (slightly outdated box, will try on a second one in a bit, just finishing some code) [10:36] rodrigo_, thanks [10:36] seb128: I thought you told that you would tackle it some weeks ago? [10:36] Ineed to go right now, but I'll come back later and try to start workng on something [10:37] didrocks, yeah, you know how it goes ;-) [10:37] :-) [10:37] didrocks, well it's stable time now I would turn debug off by default [10:37] but anyway let's see if chrisccoulson can help there [10:38] yeah, I've other more important things to fix now [10:42] seb128, didrocks: WDYT about turning off apport by default tomorrow? [10:42] do you still depend on it for tracking down stuff? [10:42] pitti, the later the better this cycle [10:42] pitti, I want to see what segfaults are still there in the new unity [10:43] but one day should be enough [10:43] pitti: sounds good to me, most of people reporting stacktrace now are using the "light" report, so we get unuseful stacktrace though… [10:43] oh, they do? why [10:44] ah, I think it sometimes displays vastly inflated numbers for the size of the full one [10:44] I saw it display "130 MB" or so, but it's counting uncompressed size [10:44] the core dump usually melts down to more like 5 [10:44] because people judge they don't have enough upload for those [10:44] meh; let's hope it's usually enough to at least identify it as a dupe [10:45] most of the time when I tried to report one, I already got several existing ones with teh same title [10:45] sorry about that; need to fix for o [10:45] no worry [10:46] pitti: no worry, but yeah, being more incitating on the "full" version can be nice :) [10:46] I've restarted the amd64 retracer [10:46] it had a lock and a log with no error but not updated since 3am this night [10:46] not sure why it stopped, let's see if just removing the lock is enough [10:47] pitti: Hi, smb approved this proposal yesterday, I made a few small changes again today. is it too late for natty now ? https://code.launchpad.net/~er-abhinav-upadhyay/ubuntu/natty/tomboy/patch-757635/+merge/58303 [10:47] chrisccoulson, yeah, ok, so if you have time try to clean warnings and errors in the bug, those might point real issues and maybe for bonus point make unity g_debug calls log into a unity.log [10:47] didrocks, ^ [10:48] pitti, most people don't upload full report for chromium because of the announced size, which is always wrong, stuff like 230MB, 370MB, ... [10:48] fta: same problem I guess [10:48] heh, my ~/.xsession-errors is 150kB, and i restarted my session less than 1 hour ago [10:48] pitti, yep, that was just a +1 :) [10:48] chrisccoulson: (nautilus:1700): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_value_get_object: assertion `G_VALUE_HOLDS_OBJECT (value)' failed [10:48] ? [10:49] 800 kB/2 hours [10:49] pitti - mostly "(xchat-gnome:3012): Gdk-CRITICAL **: _gdk_pixmap_new: assertion `(width != 0) && (height != 0)' failed" [10:49] and some similar ones from nm-applet too [10:52] brb [10:53] the spamming is mostly that here: [10:53] (:8523): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: invalid (NULL) pointer instance [10:53] (:8523): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_signal_handler_disconnect: assertion `G_TYPE_CHECK_INSTANCE (instance)' failed [10:54] didrocks: did a test install in kvm (for testing another bug), and now got the dialog about "you can't run unity blabla" (but not on the live system); so that works as it should, nice! [10:54] pitti: excellent! thanks for confirming :) [10:54] seb128: hm, seems that everyone got a different spam source now :/ [10:56] seb128: pitti: on bug #728745 seems people are trying nvidia with nouveau when the other driver doesn't work. Hoping that the environment variable to set won't upset them :) [10:56] Launchpad bug 728745 in unity "[nvidia, 7300, 7400] display freeze when using unity desktop" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/728745 [10:57] pitti, yeah... :-( [10:57] didrocks, well those are technical users, most users which a frozen session will not know what to do [10:58] they will just think their install and screwed and reinstall [10:58] or install another os [10:58] ok, let's put them in the classic "no effect" then [11:07] didrocks, bug #764379 might be in a similar case [11:07] Launchpad bug 764379 in nvidia-graphics-drivers "Partial screen corruption and poor performance on GeForce 6150" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/764379 [11:08] didrocks, though nouveau doesn't work for that one [11:09] seb128: blacklisting then [11:09] UNITY_BLACKLIST_DISABLE is a good env name for you? [11:09] didrocks, we should maybe tag those card specific issues in some way and do a sru a bit later [11:10] didrocks: UNITY_DONT_CHECK ? [11:10] or UNITY_FORCE_START to avoid a negation? [11:10] I was going to suggest something around pitti's suggestion [11:10] pitti: it's not FORCE_START, it's just for the blacklist [11:10] you want to totally disable the checking? [11:10] didrocks: you don't? [11:11] might be interesting for testing [11:11] I was just disabling the blacklist [11:11] didrocks: but really, doens't matter much either way [11:11] hum, checking on gnome-session [11:11] it's a secret option only which should only come up in bug reports [11:11] don't remember if I added that ;) [11:11] well the check tools is only used by gnome-session? [11:11] seb128: yeah [11:11] i.e those people can tweak their .session? [11:12] exactly [11:12] if they want to skip the checking [11:12] (until the next gnome-session update) [11:49] seb128: wait, on bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nux/+bug/728745, rereading it, isn't the xorg freeze? [11:49] Launchpad bug 728745 in nux "[nvidia, 7300, 7400] display freeze when using unity desktop" [High,Fix committed] [11:49] seb128: people don't report that freeze from the start of the session [11:51] didrocks, seems like that when unity start it screw things [11:52] seb128: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nux/+bug/728745/comments/7 [11:52] Launchpad bug 728745 in nux "[nvidia, 7300, 7400] display freeze when using unity desktop" [High,Fix committed] [11:52] didrocks, it doesn't render things as it should or doesn't react to clicks [11:52] seems like after a grab rather [11:52] seb128: there is the xorg (which is in fact a kernel) freeze as well [11:52] well it doesn't happen in a constant way? [11:52] but anyway feel free to do what you judge best for the bug [11:53] I'm afraid we are rushing on blacklisting card we shouldn't [11:53] even if it's unity making xorg lock it's still a broken unity session imho [11:53] ok, got to go, food is ready and i've a call at 2 [11:53] seb128: it happens here to, (once a day), and for chrisccoulson as well [11:53] brb [11:53] if we were going to blacklist our cards… ;) [11:53] didrocks, well that bug seems it happen on login every time [11:53] seb128: not from comment 7, I asked for more info [11:54] ok thanks === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:22] hmm, huats sent a request for joining gnome3-team [12:22] seb128, pitti: I assume yo know him well right? [12:22] so can I just accept him? [12:22] rodrigo_, yes [12:22] ok [12:22] he has been an active contributor for some years and used to help on GNOME updates [12:23] oh, I can't accept people it seems [12:23] he has been less around recently and busy with other things but it's fine to add him to the team [12:23] seb128, yes, that's what I thought, just wanted to confirm [12:23] seb128, can you accept him -> https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+member/christophe.sauthier please? [12:24] rodrigo_, and seb128 thanks :) [12:24] rodrigo_, huats: done [12:24] doh 20 members pending [12:24] huats, nah, you need to send us some French wine or food :) [12:24] do we know any of the others? [12:25] seb128, who are they? [12:25] rodrigo_, list on https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+members [12:25] rodrigo_: and he's french, that's a ack on its own :) [12:25] * huats needs to run give a prensentation on the "Ubuntu community" [12:25] rodrigo_, but the names don't ring any bell [12:25] didrocks, well, I thought that before meeting you, so now I'm more careful with French people :) [12:25] rodrigo_, please remind me that before we met :) [12:25] (about food and wine) [12:25] :) [12:25] huats, :) [12:26] rodrigo_: ok, where is your application for ~ubuntu-desktop already? :-) [12:26] didrocks, :) [12:26] seb128, JC Hulce is one of the guys from the gnome remix. we told him to send some merge proposals first [12:27] rodrigo_, I guess I should go through the list and add a comment for each saying that [12:27] seb128, Jeremy Bicha has sent a few merge proposals, not sure if we should accept him for now [12:27] seb128, no idea about the others [12:27] seb128, ok [12:27] rodrigo_, let me know if you know of anyone that should be acked [12:28] I didn't watch the ppa a lot recently but I will catch up once natty is wrapped [12:28] seb128, not really, no idea who they are [12:41] hmmmm, is xchat still working? [12:41] seems to be [12:41] nice :) [12:42] and no critical errors [12:47] pitti: hrm ok you filled powerpc alternate, but we need to decide what to cull from powerpc desktop as its oversized. I can't make up my mind as to what we can cull, as we are at the point where functionality will have to be culled. The question is what. [12:48] chrisccoulson: do you mind if I upload http://paste.ubuntu.com/596518/ ? helps the upgader and should do no harm [12:48] mvo - sure, that's fine [12:48] i'll push it to bzr too [12:49] (or you could propose a merge) :) [12:49] lp:~mozillateam/nss/nss.head, i think [12:49] chrisccoulson: sure, will do that [12:49] thanks :) [12:54] https://code.launchpad.net/~mvo/nss/nss.mvo/+merge/58479 fyi, uploaded now, its waiting in the queue [12:55] TheMuso: TBH, at that point I'd just declare it done and document that you need a DVD or an USB stick [12:55] hey seb128, what was the context of the "Drop To Add Application" string in unity? Is it to drop an application icon to the launcher? [12:56] pitti: Right, DVD it will have to be then, due to powerpc not being able to boot from USB. [12:56] dpm, yes, do a dnd from the dash to the launcher [12:56] pitti: Whats the task for release notes? There is a bug against ubuntu-meta for this, so I want to make sure its mentioned. [12:56] dpm, ie in the application view for example [12:57] dpm, it display it as a tooltip while you dnd over the launcher [12:57] TheMuso: feel free to directly add it to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyNarwhal/TechnicalOverview [12:57] Ok will take care of that tomorrow. Thanks. [12:58] TheMuso: thanks; good night! [12:58] thanks seb128 [12:59] dpm, sorry I didn't send the email about it yesterday I was waiting the template import which has been taking a while, seems someone beat me to it today [12:59] seb128, yeah, no worries, all is good :) [13:11] * rodrigo_ lunch [13:22] seb128: you imported the pot yourself on Monday, isn't it? [13:23] didrocks, unity? [13:23] seb128: yeah, I remember we discussed this [13:23] didrocks, dpm did yesterday but the launchpad side takes a while to process uploads [13:23] ok [13:24] didrocks, it's in now and already translated in frencg [13:24] ok, nice :) [13:24] in french === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow === alecu-away is now known as alecu [13:34] Riddell, ping [13:40] hi mterry [13:40] oh aye, you had a dbusmenu patch [13:41] mterry: have you run it by agateau? [13:41] Riddell, nope. shall I jump in the kubuntu channel? [13:41] can do [13:42] he's off this week [13:42] he = agateau [13:44] oh ok, thanks for letting us know seb128 [13:44] mterry: in that case I'll just upload it and hope you know what you're doing :) [13:44] it looks sensible to me [13:45] Riddell, :) [13:47] seb128, I'm testing the keyring patch, hopefully won't blow up in my face and I'll upload [13:48] mterry, oh nice, did you get upstream to review it? [13:48] seb128, oh, I assumed that guy was upstream. :) Let me look at his history again [13:48] mterry, "that guy"? I didn't read the bug for a while [13:49] yeah, upstream Stef provided a new patch [13:49] ok, Stef is upstream ;-) [13:49] seb128, oh sorry :) I thought you were subscribed [13:49] sorry I was a bit out of context for this one [13:49] seb128, yeah, he provided a new patch [13:49] yeah, seems like I'm subscribed to gnome-keyring but not the lib [13:49] I can't reproduce, but as long as it doesn't crash for me, I think it's fine to put in, since it came from upstream [13:49] right [13:49] quite some users get it [13:50] the retracer run into 2-3 of those a day [13:50] natty starts feeling pretty solid, I don't find new bugs that really need to be worked by reading daily reports [13:51] great to hear! [13:56] seb128, hahah. now I get a different assert ;) [13:56] mterry, :-( [13:59] seb128: I still have bug 746375, which is not easy to reproduce. I will release a ppa version for that and ask the guys if it is gone. And I have bug 754562 which unfortunately will require some heavylifting in the code -> risk of regressions, release to ppa [13:59] Launchpad bug 746375 in libreoffice "soffice.bin crashed with SIGSEGV in uno_type_sequence_construct()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/746375 [13:59] Launchpad bug 754562 in libreoffice "soffice.bin crashed with SIGSEGV in g_hash_table_lookup()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/754562 [13:59] seb128, oh my mistake. Same assert. Which isn't much better [14:00] * Sweetshark lunches. [14:00] seb128, but I can reproduce now. Using gvfs-mount on the command line over and over gets it pretty fast [14:00] mterry, ok well at least being able to trigger it will be useful [14:01] Sweetshark, right, you better target a sru for those, the sru updates get at least one week of testing before going to updates [14:24] pedro_, hey [14:28] hello seb128 [14:28] pedro_, how are you? [14:29] seb128, i'm good, thanks. what about you? [14:29] pedro_, I'm fine thanks ;-) [14:29] seb128, finally a week with no kernel testing, so time to catch up with some desktop bugs ;-) [14:29] pedro_, we are getting close from natty, is there any desktop bug you can think about that need to be worked and didn't yet? [14:30] evolution is a mess... [14:30] nothing new there [14:30] m there's a couple of minor annoyances like bug 740104 [14:30] Launchpad bug 740104 in compiz "Windows appear in the window list on adjacent workspaces" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/740104 [14:31] but looks like that's being tracked already, but haven't seen any progress yet [14:31] that'd be nice to fix though, is pretty confusing [14:31] it's a compiz bug yeah, not sure if smspillaz can work on it [14:31] pedro_, but it's in classic GNOME only right? [14:32] the shadow spillover isn't, though [14:32] seb128, yeah on classic, since it's related to the window list [14:32] bug 753369 is also something that's affecting lot of users [14:32] Launchpad bug 753369 in compiz "compiz artifacts in chromium, xchat, opera... you name it" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/753369 [14:33] that one is assigned and being worked [14:34] the others are being tracked already, so nothing on the top of my head atm [14:34] besides the ones already mentioned [14:35] ok [14:35] pedro_, there is a brasero one easy to trigger if you want to check upstream, try to run it twice [14:35] pedro_, it's one of the recent bugs which have the same titles, they are not duplicates though so don't close it if you triage it ;-) [14:36] seb128, ok i'll have a look ;-) [14:36] thanks [14:36] ok, nothing special in today retracing, unity is table [14:36] you're welcome monsieur [14:36] stable [14:37] ;-) [14:42] seb128 - so, i figured out why nm-applet spams xsession-errors (which seems to be one of the biggest offenders for me) [14:43] but i'm not sure what to do about it. it's a broken theme (bug 767186) [14:43] Launchpad bug 767186 in ubuntu-mono "nm-signal-* icons break nm-applet" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/767186 [14:43] chrisccoulson, can you talk to sladen about the issue see if he can get it fixed for natty or in a sru? [14:44] he's maintaining ubuntu-mono [14:45] * ogra_ hopes we advance one day to ubuntu-stereo [14:50] ogra_, lol ;) [14:50] do you want to bring the tumbleweed, or shall i? ;) [14:51] that probably requires a dual-core sladen though :P [14:51] heh:) [14:51] yeah, sorry, couldnt resist that one :) [14:52] chrisccoulson, do you get such warnings? [14:52] (:8523): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: invalid cast from `(null)' to `BamfView' [14:53] seb128 - no, i don't have any of those [14:53] "unknown" - that's useful :) [14:53] that's unity [14:57] chrisccoulson, you don't have those either? [14:57] (:1657): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: instance of invalid non-instantiatable type `(null)' [14:57] (:1657): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_signal_handler_disconnect: assertion `G_TYPE_CHECK_INSTANCE (instance)' failed [14:58] seb128 - yeah, i've got those [14:58] can you check on that next? [14:58] yeah, sure [14:58] I think I got the bamf ones after play a bit adding launcher by dragging those from the dash and deleting those [14:58] chrisccoulson, thanks [14:59] seb128 - do you get these from nautilus too: (nautilus:8232): GConf-CRITICAL **: gconf_value_free: assertion `value != NULL' failed ? [14:59] yes [14:59] would be nice to debug as well [15:02] 203 (:8523): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_signal_handler_disconnect: assertion `G_TYPE_CHECK_INSTANCE (instance)' failed [15:03] 219 ** (process:1683): DEBUG: zeitgeist-datahub.vala:174: Inserting 1 events [15:03] 22 (:8493): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_signal_handler_disconnect: assertion `G_TYPE_CHECK_INSTANCE (instance)' failed [15:03] 328 (:8523): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: invalid cast from `BamfWindow' to `BamfApplication' [15:03] 168 (:8523): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: invalid (NULL) pointer instance [15:03] quite some spamming [15:04] (the first number are the counts) [15:04] go unity :p [15:04] nautilus is first spammer though it seems [15:04] ah, debugging unity sucks. there are some gdbus related errors first, and i'm not sure how i can skip those and catch the ones that happen more often :/ [15:05] if i do G_DEBUG=fatal_criticals, it will abort on the less interesting errors first [15:05] try to break on the function from the other ones, with some luck it's not hit a lot before [15:06] or try the test-panel binary in the vcs [15:06] it's handy since it let you run a standalone unity-panel service [15:06] which loads indicators etc which seem to be what create most of the warnings === alecu is now known as alecu-errands [16:02] hey and471 [16:02] hey mpt [16:02] pitti: It looks like you in effect redid the l-s backports merge this morning. For next time I'll try to figure out the proper way to do it. Bazaar Explorer tells you that the branches diverged (which is true)... [16:02] pitti: Thanks for your patience! [16:02] pitti (or anyone), what's the package that does the "Install Multimedia Plugins" process? [16:02] GunnarHj: not really, I merged and just updated teh changelog [16:03] GunnarHj: there's no need to copy the previous changelog entry, as the locale handlnig didn't actually changed in this version; you just merged the security fix [16:03] mpt: I believe it's gnome-codec-install [16:04] thanks pitti [16:05] mpt, gnome-codec-install iirc [16:05] oh, pitti replied already [16:06] pitti: Yeah, it's the "merge the security fix" part, i.e. merge particular revisions only, that I need to learn. Or have I got it wrong completely? [16:08] GunnarHj: no, the actual code chagnes/merge were quite perfect [16:09] GunnarHj: just the changelog was a bit fiddly; partly because bzr likes to mess up changelogs, and partly because you described the changes of the original backport instead of the changes _since_ the previous -backports version [16:09] GunnarHj: i. e. conceptually what you do is to merge *from* -updates *into* -backports; you don't re-do the backport from scratch on a new -updates base [16:10] as for how to read/write the changelog [16:16] pitti: You are right about how I did it conceptually. Reason: Bazaar Explorer complained... [16:16] pitti: Maybe the problem simply is that these defensive backports updates are urgent, and for that reason I haven't really taken the time to figure out how to do it the proper way. Will be better next time. ;-) [16:17] GunnarHj: ideally you would just check out lp:ubuntu/maverick-backports/language-selector, and then run bzr merge lp:ubuntu/maverick-security/language-selector [16:18] that's how it's meant to work in the new world order [16:19] pitti: I see. That's what I'll try first next time, then. [16:21] so sometimes pressing super in unity does not give me shortcuts for the 1-n keys, the numbers are not highlighted n the launcher, only "s", "a", "f". and super-1 does not launch my terminal. any idea what that could be? this is a upgrade from today with nouveau [16:22] mvo: can you check you only have one compiz process running? [16:26] james_w: hey, I think you won't update bzr builder into natty anymore (and we will keep a broken "bzr: ERROR: Unable to determine the previous upload for --package-merge.") for some branches, isn't it? [16:26] hi didrocks [16:27] jelmer was going to get it in to Debian so we could sync [16:27] didrocks: sure, just did that, just one compiz [16:27] james_w: excellent! :-) I still keep a trunk branch meanwhile ;) [16:27] mvo: hum… weird :/ [16:27] didrocks, yeah, hopefully we can have it in tomorrow, but you'll be building many packages before then I expect :-) [16:27] mvo: the weird thing is that the shortcuts (keybinding don't work) [16:28] james_w: well, just the two latest, hopefully, no worry for now :-) [16:30] didrocks: well, super-s super-a work [16:31] mvo: the code is really stupid in that area, so there is really something not attributing them :/ [16:34] Cimi: are you really, really sure you want to make this change now? [16:34] didrocks: no worries, I will ignore it for now, let me know if I can do anyhting to help with this [16:34] dbarth: which change? [16:34] mvo: I think this will certainly end up with printf at UDS :) [16:35] ahah [16:38] rodrigo_ : ping [16:39] lucazade, pong [16:40] pitti: ping? === Cimi_ is now known as Cimi [16:40] i've tried the issue of gnome-settings-daemon with a physical installation and it is not present (only in virtuabox) [16:41] installed from scratch and with all updates [16:41] lucazade, ok, good to know that the bug's severity is lower then [16:41] rodrigo_ it seems related to vbox video drivers [16:42] ok just to let you know [16:42] lucazade, yes, xrandr plugin, not sure though what makes the indicator patch raise the bug though [16:42] rodrigo_ mystery ! [16:42] lucazade, yeah :) [16:46] Cimi: the merge prop. tedg is talking about [16:48] dbarth: it's a feature requested by mark and rick [16:50] Sweetshark: (on phone); just ask your question, I'll respond later [16:53] pitti: I tought I gave you a upload without regenerating control (and ending up with a LO-l10n control file), but it seems now that was a false alarm. [16:54] Sweetshark: at least it built the expected packages :) [16:54] I haven't restarted unity yet to check whether the bug is fixed, though [16:55] * Sweetshark drops his heartrate below 150 again. [16:55] pitti: Well, it did with my locally build *.deb [16:59] hmmm, I think I found a good way to reproduce a unity crash: Run claws-mail, minimize it, run "DISPLAY=:0 unity" on a vt -> uunity crashes [16:59] well why would you run unity if it's already running? [16:59] btw no need to set DISPLAY the unity wrapper will do that for you === seb128_ is now known as seb128 [17:09] Cimi: where is the branch proposal? [17:09] dbarth: https://code.launchpad.net/~cimi/ayatana-scrollbar/hide-thumb-on-selection/+merge/58296 [17:25] dbarth: and I need the new blacklist === alecu-errands is now known as alecu [17:40] ok, going out for a bit. Will be on national holidays till Tuesday, but will check mail so if there's anything you want from me, please send mail [17:40] have a nice week [17:44] rodrigo_, slacker!!! [17:45] rodrigo_, sorry... enjoy ;-) [17:45] still one day before the long weekend here [17:50] rodrigo_: enjoy! [18:02] hey seb128: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/687567 [18:02] Launchpad bug 687567 in unity "Global menu causes white "flashes" when scrubbing/moving with mouse fast over menus" [High,Confirmed] [18:02] hey jcastro [18:02] yes? [18:03] sorry wrong bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/askubuntu-lens/+bug/758839 [18:03] Launchpad bug 758839 in gwibber/unity-lens-gwibber "Lens doesn't start on login" [High,Confirmed] [18:03] so there's an issue with python lenses not loaded on login [18:03] the first one is a compiz setting to tweak, someone pinged didrocks about that today iirc but not sure if that's happening for natty [18:03] and DX is sprinting now or something, I would like to escalate this bug (or whatever process) [18:04] it's not happening in natty, it's sent to backlog [18:04] (the first bug was just cruft from my buffer, I mean to talk about lenses) [18:04] jcastro: I tried, but it won't be fixed for natty, maybe a 0 day SRU [18:04] jcastro: what's up? [18:04] oh ok, SRU would be fine [18:04] didrocks, well johnlea comment #20 suggested to disable the option in compiz as a workaround for this cycle [18:05] dbarth: I am concerned that we talked to people to make lenses, and none of the python ones work [18:05] seb128: right, but as told this will impact all the other fading effect [18:05] seb128: and won't upgrade beta users, so we will still have those things [18:05] didrocks, ok, could you maybe add a comment on the bug saying so? [18:06] seb128: it's sent to backlog, isn't it? [18:06] jcastro, we need kamstrup de look at your issue basically, talk to njpatel [18:06] I pinged them for that already and kamstrup is aware of it [18:06] okay, when I hit super, I get the app-search window thing (what's this called?). but clicking any of the top row doesn't do anything. [18:06] seb128: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/687567/comments/19 [18:06] Launchpad bug 687567 in unity "Global menu causes white "flashes" when scrubbing/moving with mouse fast over menus" [High,Confirmed] [18:06] it's on the bug report [18:07] kees: that's the dash [18:07] bug then,John commented, not sure he's aware that it won't work on upgrade [18:07] jcastro: "dash"! okay, thanks. [18:07] jcastro: any idea why the top row of buttons don't do anything? [18:07] that sounds like a bug [18:09] didrocks, I don't even know what that means, users don't know the unity team process, especially that the workaround suggested by john was a compiz one [18:09] kees, "dash" [18:09] kees, do you have unity-place-applications installed? [18:09] seb128: see the comment [18:10] didrocks, right and in comment #20 johnlea replied saying to do it anyway [18:10] seb128: I do not; how did that happen, I wonder. :P [18:10] seb128: go for it if you want, I prefer to fix an intellihide for now [18:11] kees, you use command line tools that don't handle recommends correctly? [18:11] ;-) [18:11] kees, bug #759262 on the topic, at least update-manager should ensure those are installed [18:12] Launchpad bug 759262 in update-manager "Important Unity components not installed after update-manager -d upgrade" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/759262 [18:12] seb128: nope, I instlal recommends. I think the problem is that if a package is already installed and its recommends change, apt doesn't do it. not sure. [18:12] but yup, installing that makes the top line of the dash work. [18:13] jcastro: and "dock" or "launcher" for the left edge dingus? [18:13] kees, mvo claims it should but also says that if the recommends are not installable it just skip those and doesn't suggest them later on [18:13] seb128: ah, I bet that's what happened. [18:13] seb128: actually, I lied, it still doesn't work. do I have restart unity after installing that? [18:13] kees, not sure I never tried to start without them [18:14] but doesn't hurt to alt-f2 unity if you don't mess your applications to be shuffled around [18:14] compiz is not great at keeping things where they are on restart [18:14] kees: it's "launcher" [18:15] jcastro: cool [18:15] kees: http://askubuntu.com/questions/10228/whats-the-right-terminology-for-unitys-ui-elements/19166#19166 [18:17] jcastro: well hey, look at that. nice. :) [18:24] seb128: are you uploading compiz? [18:25] didrocks, no, I've no clue what setting to change and how and where [18:25] didrocks, we can do it in a sru later on [18:25] seb128: still won't upgrade people, so worthless [18:25] didrocks, I don't feel like tweakings settings I don't understand just before the freeze but I might check with smspillaz tomorrow [18:26] didrocks, it's the first impression you get on new installs [18:26] seb128: same for me, hence the fact I didn't change [18:26] well I know on my nb it's very noticable [18:26] seb128: I don't get it, I can't tell [18:26] oh, I do it [18:26] I will show you at UDS ;-) [18:26] :) [18:26] I don't have it either on my nvidia, nor intel card [18:27] weird, but at least it's not everybody getting it [18:28] seb128: if we tweak the settings, the fade will disappear from all the change, hence the fact I don't want to change it in a rush (especially when we decided to push it back) [18:30] seb128: thanks for the upload! you rock :-) [18:30] nessita, yw ;-) [18:32] tremolux, heyo! Does software center have plans to keep track of installed applications? [18:32] tremolux, (in the sense that it could install them again on a fresh install) [18:33] mterry: heyo back! [18:34] mterry: I think that is the purpose of OneConf, and we have very regretfully unable to give it the attention it deserves during Natty [18:35] mterry: or, one purpose of OneConf, with didrock's plugin functionality for s-c [18:35] right, I just have been able to update to the new s-c API [18:35] nothing more… [18:35] tremolux, ah, interesting. I remember discussions about oneconf, but didn't know that angle [18:36] mterry: I assume you are talking about a recent post about Deja Dup in the Oneiric discussions [18:36] tremolux, yeah [18:36] mterry: it's in universe, you can install it (using desktopcouch, which should change for next cycle) [18:38] good night everyone [18:38] 'night pitti! [18:39] mterry, didrocks: it has such nice potential, hopefully we can really do it up for Oneiric [18:39] good night pitti [18:39] good night pitti [18:40] tremolux: yeah, I agree, just need some time allocated to it :) [18:40] didrocks: indeed! :) [18:41] mterry: I wonder if you might make such a plugin for Deja Dup [18:42] mterry: I think that would TOTALLY ROCK (tm) [18:43] tremolux, a plugin that interfaced with software-center? [18:43] or oneconf? [18:43] mterry: oneconf is a plugin to s-c [18:44] mterry: so, ideally, we can use the same backend service [18:44] (it's dbus-activated) [18:44] and just write the Déjà-Dup plugin [18:53] mterry, didrocks: bbl, my family is clamoring for me to go have lunch (kids are off school this week) :) [18:53] tremolux: enjoy [18:53] thx! :) [19:30] * didrocks waves good evening [19:30] * highvoltage waves back [19:32] ah I see I kind of misunderstood that one [19:42] pitti, bououh [19:45] tedg, mterry: users comment on the emacs bug saying it still get the menus stripped when started from the dash [19:48] seb128, indeed, or if you start it with the command "emacs23" [19:48] because that gives it a different window class [19:48] * mterry works on a patch [19:55] tedg, https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/appmenu-gtk/emacs23/+merge/58556 === korn_ is now known as c_korn [20:18] mterry, Are you going to distro patch that? [20:23] tedg, yea [20:44] tedg, I'm having problems uploading? Something about "no public key" gpg error when I try to upload... Can you distro patch it for me for today? [20:45] tedg, oh, nm [20:45] tedg, it apparently went through, but still gave me the error on the console [20:45] mterry, Oh, good, because I can't :-) [20:45] * mterry should still probably figure out what the problem was [21:09] mterry, another case which will fail for emacs is if you set it as the alternative for /usr/bin/editor ;) [21:09] chrisccoulson, guh! [21:09] but, i don't think there's any way around that with the current blacklist implementation [21:10] (you certainly don't want to blacklist editor, as that could be anything) [21:10] chrisccoulson, good point... I suppose maybe we should set the env var UBUNTU_MENUPROXY emacs-side [21:10] yeah, possibly [21:10] oneiric [21:11] what's the actual issue with emacs? [21:12] chrisccoulson, menus that get added dynamically (like, based on the type of file opened) by plugins don't show up [21:13] chrisccoulson, (they don't show because the menu isn't filled out) and emacs only fills them out when it receives an actual X button press to the menu, so it's hard to fake it and trick it into filling it out early [21:14] i'm sure the bookmarks menus in firefox work in the same way (they are only populated when you open the menu), but that's working :/ [21:15] chrisccoulson, depends on how it gets populated. appmenu has some tricks for it (fakes a gtk activation signal), but emacs was looking for a very low-level X event that we don't want to be faking for all apps [21:15] ah, ok. that's probably why it works in firefox :) [21:35] seb128, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~chrisccoulson/unity/lp767642/revision/1169 ;) [21:36] chrisccoulson, \o/ [21:37] so, that one, plus the nautilus issue (which i will look at now), and the nm-applet errors are the bulk of what is in my xsession-errors === cypher is now known as czajkowski [21:37] (and xchat-gnome too, but i fixed that one already) [21:38] i hope the icon theme gets fixed, because nm-applet probably is the worst offender for me :) [21:58] now thats odd..You received this email because you are an admin of the GNOME3 Team team via the Ubuntu Desktop team. [21:58] * Sarvatt isn't in either [21:59] Sarvatt - are you subscribed to the ubuntu-desktop list? [21:59] ah yeah, the mail went to my launchpad folder and threw me off [22:00] (not the ubuntu-desktop list one) [22:07] chrisccoulson, I agree for the nm-applet errors, it's really annoying [22:07] I trying to mess with the icons myself but it's taking me forever [22:11] cyphermox, yeah, i'm not that familiar with theming. i'm not sure if you can just edit the width attribute in the svg ;) [22:13] chrisccoulson: were is that chat on bug 740815 from? [22:13] Launchpad bug 740815 in xulrunner-2.0 "[FFe] Updates to enable us to drop xulrunner from main" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/740815 [22:14] Sweetshark, that's from #ubuntu-devel a little while ago [22:14] cyphermox, oh, editing the width attrbiute doesn't work ;) [22:14] that just chops off the edge of the icon :( [22:16] yeah [22:16] you need to adjust everything in like, inkscape [22:16] I'll get started on this, maybe we can have it ready soon enough === bjf is now known as bjf[afk]