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[09:43] <amedee> logging in early for the 3 may meeting about the shutdown of the Sounder list, as proposed by Alan Pope (popey). I'll keep this line open until then, thanks to irssi+screen, but I'll be silent until that time.
[09:58] <dholbach> amedee, the meeting was yesterday already - check out http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/04/19/%23ubuntu-meeting.html#t12:00
[12:00] <jelmer> hi barry :)
[12:00] <barry> jelmer: hi :)
[12:00] <barry> i stupidly agreed to change the meeting time right during spring break.  good thing the insomnia has kicked in :)
[12:01] <barry> jelmer: any signs of poolie and jam?
[12:01] <jelmer> jam should be around
[12:02] <poolie> hi guys
[12:02] <poolie> 9pm seemed earlier when i scheduled this
[12:02] <james_w> hi
[12:02] <poolie> :)
[12:02] <barry> poolie: hi
[12:02] <barry> poolie: as i was saying, spring break started this week, so i actually didn't need to get up this early :)
[12:03] <barry> shall we try to track down jam before we start?
[12:03] <poolie> he was around, he may also have child school run or something
[12:03] <poolie> let's just start
[12:04] <barry> sounds good
[12:04] <barry> #startmeeting
[12:04] <MootBot> Meeting started at 06:04. The chair is barry.
[12:04] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[12:04] <barry> hello and welcome to this week's udd steering committee meeting
[12:04] <barry> [TOPIC] agenda
[12:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  agenda
[12:04] <barry> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistributedDevelopment/20110420
[12:04] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistributedDevelopment/20110420
[12:04] <barry> not a whole lot on the agenda, but let's dive right in
[12:05] <barry> [TOPIC] action items
[12:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  action items
[12:05] <barry>    * jam to propose/report plan for quilt imports
[12:05] <barry> i know jam wanted to keep this on the agenda, so let's come back to it if he joins us later
[12:05] <poolie> gosh, what a good idea
[12:05] <poolie> yep
[12:06] <barry>    * poolie to talk to LOSAs about getting new bzrs rolled out to jubany
[12:06] <poolie> next?
[12:06] <poolie> ah, yes, i did
[12:06] <barry> poolie: eta?
[12:06] <poolie> i think it's unblocked and waiting in their queue
[12:06] <poolie> let me find it
[12:06] <poolie> already done!
[12:06] <barry> wow, fantastic!
[12:07] <poolie> thanks to spm and maxb
[12:07] <poolie> hm it's still on hardy
[12:07] <barry> poolie: what are the big wins with the upgrade?
[12:07] <poolie> so that took us to 2.3.1 apparently
[12:07] <james_w> the main thing was that it fixed a bug that was causing a lot of import failures IIRC
[12:07] <james_w> I don't know what we upgraded from though
[12:08] <poolie> which is the latest on the 2.3 series
[12:08] <poolie> it was 2.3.0~beta5-0~1.ISPATCHED.8.04
[12:08] <barry> [LINK] http://package-import.ubuntu.com/status/
[12:08] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://package-import.ubuntu.com/status/
[12:08] <poolie> so, a fair bit of stuff including some of jam's memory usage improvements
[12:09] <barry> cool, thanks
[12:09] <barry>    * barry to send email about meeting times given dst dance '''(done)'''
[12:09] <barry>  
[12:09] <barry> and here we are :)
[12:09] <barry> [TOPIC]  * Package importer progress
[12:09] <MootBot> New Topic:   * Package importer progress
[12:09] <barry> see link above
[12:10] <poolie> the specific thing it fixes is https://bugs.launchpad.net/udd/+bug/726584
[12:10] <ubottu> Ubuntu bug 726584 in Bazaar "flash-kernel import fails apparently mismatching maverick and natty branches" [Critical,Fix released]
[12:10] <poolie> hm, not a lot of changes this last week i think
[12:10] <poolie> aside from that one
[12:11] <barry> import failures appear to have a little spike right at the end
[12:11] <poolie> there was a big canonical network hardware outage which caused some failures last week
[12:11] <james_w> an LP service issue seems to have spiked in failures
[12:11] <poolie> i see a lot of connectionreset type errors
[12:11] <poolie> that would be good to look in to
[12:11] <poolie> also for better re-scheduling
[12:12] <james_w> likely just needs a ./requeue_package.py --auto kiwi
[12:12] <poolie> shall i just run that now?
[12:12] <james_w> you could remove the --auto and add --priority to see if that one succeeds, and then run that command on another to retry the rest
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[12:14] <barry> anything else of interest in package importer status?
[12:14] <poolie> no
[12:14] <barry> [TOPIC] bugs of interest
[12:14] <MootBot> New Topic:  bugs of interest
[12:15] <barry> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~mbp/kanban/canonical-bazaar-kanban.html
[12:15] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~mbp/kanban/canonical-bazaar-kanban.html
[12:15] <poolie> so, a fair number of bugs fixed
[12:15] <barry> as always, an impressive amount of work!
[12:15] <poolie> faster working trees from john
[12:15] <poolie> many git and hg fixes from jelmer
[12:15] <poolie> oh and bzr-builddeb
[12:16] <barry> jelmer: do you think now would be a good time to re-try the import of python's hg?
[12:16] <poolie> do you two want to mention any in particular?
[12:16] <poolie> oh, not really a bug, but we did get the 2.2 SRU into maverick
[12:16] <poolie> we still need to push through 2.1 into lucid
[12:16] <poolie> 2.0 is essentially eol now that karmic is
[12:17] <jelmer> barry: unfortunately I haven't had time to land it on launchpad yet as I was planning
[12:17] <jelmer> barry: It should happen this week instead.
[12:17] <james_w> it's great to have watch file support, thanks for that jelmer!
[12:17] <barry> jelmer: cool, no worries.  thanks
[12:17] <jelmer> barry: I'll try to remember to ping you when I do
[12:17] <barry> james_w: seconded.  i've already used it twice and it ROCKS
[12:17] <barry> jelmer: thanks
[12:17] <jelmer> thanks, that's great to hear
[12:18] <barry> anything else on bugs of interest?
[12:18] <poolie> 'warn when out of date' is still high on my list
[12:19] <poolie> lp is shortly going to deploy a change that should make things more stable when branches are renamed
[12:19] <poolie> james mentioned um
[12:19] <barry> really great to hear!
[12:19] <poolie> https://bugs.launchpad.net/udd/+bug/766757
[12:19] <ubottu> Ubuntu bug 766757 in Ubuntu Distributed Development "creating mps for collisions isn't helpful" [High,Confirmed]
[12:19] <poolie> to me, which is not the whole story in itself
[12:20] <poolie> but a string we can pull on to make the package importer better
[12:20] <poolie> i was really happy to see michaelh1 summarize some performance issues and then jam fixed many of them
[12:20] <poolie> hm, what else
[12:21] <poolie> any nominations for bugs we ought to do next?
[12:21] <barry> just the out-of-date warning one from me
[12:21] <jelmer> poolie: +1, it's really exciting to see those performance fixes from John
[12:22] <barry> [TOPIC]  * Any other business?
[12:22] <MootBot> New Topic:   * Any other business?
[12:22] <poolie> let's see
[12:23] <poolie> UDS
[12:23] <poolie> do we know sessions are booked?
[12:23] <poolie> and, if we're going to do a short plenary, we should prepare one
[12:23] <poolie> i don't know if they have been chosen yet
[12:24] <jelmer> the session appear to be booked
[12:24] <barry> agreed about the plenary.  they're really short this year.  i think 15m max.  can we do something reasonable in 15m?
[12:24] <poolie> i think so but it will have to be well chosen
[12:24] <poolie> obviously not a tutorial
[12:24] <jelmer> confirmed we have 3 sessions booked
[12:24] <poolie> yet not waffle
[12:25] <barry> why don't we add an action item for all of us to think about a plenary session, and we can brainstorm next meeting (which will be the week before uds)?
[12:25] <poolie> k
[12:25] <poolie> let's do more than just think :)
[12:25] <james_w> I think plenaries have to be proposed before then :-(
[12:25] <poolie> let's send some outlines
[12:26] <barry> poolie: +1
[12:26] <poolie> i have proposed one, i just do not have slides yet
[12:26] <barry> poolie: can you send a link to your proposal and we can use that to start off with?  we can help w/slides too
[12:27] <poolie> sure
[12:28] <barry> [ACTION] poolie to send link to plenary proposal.  all to help finish that
[12:28] <MootBot> ACTION received:  poolie to send link to plenary proposal.  all to help finish that
[12:28] <barry> (hopefully that captures it ;)
[12:28] <barry> any thing else for today?
[12:29] <poolie> gosh
[12:29] <poolie> we got a lot of good feedback
[12:29] <poolie> i still have a few flagged to reply to
[12:29] <poolie> i don't know good answers to all of them off hand
[12:29] <poolie> for instance the thread on ubuntu-desktop about switching to merge-mode versioning, which is good, but raises questions
[12:30] <poolie> jelmer: anything else from you?
[12:30] <jelmer> no, though I should probably have a look at that ubuntu-desktop thread
[12:30] <poolie> i would appreciate that
[12:31] <jelmer> ok
[12:31] <poolie> oh, of course, there was one more
[12:32] <poolie> bfbia; can you talk about that jelmer?
[12:32] <jelmer> ah, good point
[12:33] <jelmer> We've talked about build from branch into primary earlier. There are some things that still need to be ironed out for that, in particular the security requirements.
[12:34] <jelmer> There is another milestone that would be useful to aim for, and for which all the requirements seem to be clear - building from branch into a PPA
[12:35] <jelmer> The changes to e.g. bzr-builder, the buildds and the API we have to make for this are the same as for bfbip.
[12:36] <poolie> i think it would be a good step towards it
[12:36] <james_w> that's not already there?
[12:36] <poolie> it's essentially recipes with a null recipe
[12:36] <poolie> is that a fair way to describe it?
[12:36] <james_w> ok
[12:36] <jelmer> poolie: yeah, I think so
[12:37] <jelmer> james_w: also, e.g creating. .orig.tar.gz is not supported at the moment
[12:37] <james_w> right
[12:37] <james_w> so building a "distribution-acceptable package" in to a PPA
[12:38] <jelmer> james_w: yeah, basically
[12:38] <poolie> that's a good metric for it
[12:38] <poolie> so then to go from that to 'into primary archive' is mostly
[12:38] <jelmer> and with the same constraints we set for bfbip - an API call to request them and without requiring a recipe
[12:38] <poolie> getting approval it's an ok thing to allow
[12:38] <poolie> possibly more security checks-
[12:39] <poolie> ... teaching lp to put the source into there, which apparently is a small change
[12:41] <barry> sounds good, thanks for the update.  anything else for today?
[12:41] <poolie> i think that's it
[12:41] <poolie> it's late here
[12:41] <jelmer> nothing else from me
[12:42] <barry> #endmeeting
[12:42] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 06:42.
[12:42] <barry> thanks everyone!
[12:42] <poolie> thanks guys
[12:42] <poolie> could probably run a bit faster in future but that was good
[12:42] <barry> agreed.  and we'll get jam here one of the days :)
[12:43] <jelmer> :)
[12:45] <poolie> "jam this meeting runs too slow.  i guess you don't really have time to look into it but..."
[12:45] <poolie> tappety tap
[12:45]  * jelmer chuckles
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[16:01] <cjwatson> hi folks
[16:01] <mvo> hello
[16:01] <jhunt> hi
[16:01] <barry> hi
[16:01] <psurbhi> hi
[16:02] <stgraber> hello
[16:02] <cjwatson> #startmeeting
[16:02] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:02. The chair is cjwatson.
[16:02] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[16:03] <cjwatson> all right, muggins gets to do it I guess
[16:03] <cjwatson> [TOPIC] Lightning Round
[16:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  Lightning Round
[16:03] <cjwatson> barry:
[16:03] <barry> bug 758037 (pyopenssl fix for py27); bug 753900 (f2py broken); bug 759684 (landscape-monitor); bug 671131 (winpdb); bug 759943 (mod_wsgi); bug 458872 (cj deleting manually installed packages); bug 719214 (pyepl import failure); bug 719212 (hocr import failure); bug 742384 (sphinx/jquery incompatibility); helped w/ debug of 735577 (s/c log perms); udd; dmb application update; network manager debugging; done.
[16:03] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 758037 in pyopenssl (Ubuntu Natty) "pyopenssl breaks all ssl apps because of changes in python 2.7" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/758037
[16:03] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 753900 in python-numpy (Ubuntu) "f2py broken in natty" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/753900
[16:03] <ubottu> Error: Launchpad bug 759684 could not be found
[16:03] <ev> hi
[16:03] <ubottu> Error: Launchpad bug 671131 could not be found
[16:03] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 759943 in mod-wsgi (Ubuntu) "mod_wsgi.so-3.2 gives errors" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/759943
[16:03] <mvo> \o/ 735577
[16:04] <cjwatson> also, I believe barry is up for core-dev next Monday ...
[16:04] <cjwatson> Done: On holiday Monday and Tuesday.  Rest of the time:
[16:04] <cjwatson>  - Installer: debootstrap dependency resolver fix (740167), ports mirror setup fix (756719), new AMD CPU family (760490), keyboard configuration adjustments for OEM (741304), parted gptsync fixes (757201), make console-setup actually set keymap again in d-i.
[16:04] <cjwatson>  - GRUB: make grub-mount run single-threaded (756297), background configuration for derivatives (696915).
[16:04] <cjwatson>  - Repaired Ubuntu Studio task dependencies.
[16:04] <cjwatson> To do:
[16:04] <cjwatson>  - Make partman reuse existing BIOS Boot Partition (746313).  Proving a bit more complicated than I expected. :-(
[16:05] <cjwatson>  - md5sum collection for /etc/default/grub upgrade (759545).
[16:05] <cjwatson>  - Try to find time to analyse GRUB/memtest86+ failure (683904).
[16:05] <barry> yep!  feel free to add your glowing recommendations to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BarryWarsaw/MyApplication
[16:05] <cjwatson>  - Free software option on powerpc images (759519).
[16:05] <cjwatson>  - Make os-prober handle our btrfs subvolume layout (764893).
[16:05] <cjwatson> --
[16:05] <cjwatson> ev:
[16:05] <ev> Spent two days trying to unbreak the upgrade/reinstall option when no Internet connection is available, with a debate that ultimately resulted in me disabling it when no Internet connection is present (bug 766171). I did fix apt-clone related bugs in ubiquity and dpkg-repack along the way though.  Fixed synchronization between debconf instances, which had broken the download updates box (bug 761094).  Set up country-specific translations in the slidesho
[16:05] <ev> (bug 758658). pitti and I fixed installing the nvidia driver in ubiquity when a PAE kernel is selected (bug 759804). Moved the "hostname exists on the network" error to a warning (bug 760884). And fixed some more minor issues.
[16:05] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 766171 in apt-clone (Ubuntu Natty) "apt-clone does not repack debs that it will not be able to download when there isn't an Internet connection" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/766171
[16:05] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 761094 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Natty) ""Download updates while installing" checkbox does nothing" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/761094
[16:05] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 758658 in Ubiquity Slideshow "Natty slideshow uses en_GB for all English users" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/758658
[16:05] <ev> done
[16:05] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 759804 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Natty) "Installation of -pae kernel happens after jockey -C, causing removal of built DKMS modules" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/759804
[16:05] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 760884 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Change of proposed computer name causes error" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/760884
[16:06] <cjwatson> doko seems to have fallen off the network
[16:06] <cjwatson> mvo:
[16:06] <mvo> Apt-clone: fix deprecation warning and upload new version , fix in deboostrap mode, fixes in the restore code, auto-detect tarprefix, use to clone upgrade test
[16:06] <mvo> Apt-ddtp update
[16:06] <mvo> Aptdaemon: bug triage, merge latest fixes from upstream, upload, relax lintian checks for lsb packages, test latest bzr, prepare new upload, work on cdrom tests with glatzor
[16:06] <mvo> Archive-crawler: improve tests, look at branch from lp:~j-johan-edwards/archive-crawler/foreign-icons, work on improving the icon extraction
[16:06] <mvo> Auto-upgrade-tester: add euca-{nc,cloud} profiles and enable them on the auto-upgrade-teser, log reviews
[16:06] <mvo> Manual upgrade-testing (server, ubuntu desktop)
[16:06] <mvo> software-center: discuss CJK xapian with DX, debug crash in accessiblity/httplib2 code, debug database reopen error (#507836), debug/fix (mostly) #636429, debug/fix one db-reopen crash (#757054),  fix bug in freshly enabled channels/components, fix two more issues around the db-reopen problem, kill multiprocessing for get-review-stats and us spawner code, test purchase, fix bug in aptdaemon, work on appdetailsview_gtk handling/refreshes
[16:06] <mvo> Sudo: debug/fix upgrade issue (#761689)
[16:06] <mvo> Unattended-upgrades: fix crash in dpkg --configure -a code (#754330)
[16:06] <mvo> Update-manager: debug/fix #759262, improve sshd detection (using find parent)lalalala, improve DistUpgradeViewText
[16:06] <mvo> Next week: vacation mon,tues,wed
[16:06] <mvo> (done)
[16:06] <cjwatson> psurbhi:
[16:07] <psurbhi> *) worked on plymouth bug: 566818
[16:07] <psurbhi> *) testing the initramfs code for cryptsetup - the debug messages go past the plymouth prompt and no input is taken - trying to solve this
[16:07] <psurbhi> *) added code in the handle pivot event - in upstart. modified the test cases.
[16:07] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 566818 in plymouth (Ubuntu Natty) "Cryptsetup passphrase prompt during boot: every character typed repeats the prompt" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/566818
[16:07] <mvo> cjwatson: the grub/memtest86 issue, any hints on this one? could it be a compiler/machine releated issue (becuase it appears to work in qemu?)
[16:07] <cjwatson> mvo: (bring it up after the lightning round?)
[16:07]  * mvo nods
[16:07] <cjwatson> psurbhi: I noticed that the cryptsetup change I sponsored was rejected by somebody, but didn't have any context for it - is that what your current work in plymouth is about?
[16:08] <psurbhi> yes
[16:08] <psurbhi> the echo would not be displayed in a graphical plugin
[16:08] <cjwatson> ah, ok - that makes sens
[16:08] <cjwatson> e
[16:08] <cjwatson> (in theory anyway)
[16:08] <psurbhi> right
[16:08] <cjwatson> jhunt:
[16:09] <jhunt> Obligatory Upstart Cookbook updates. Dash of Upstart Sprint planning.
[16:09] <jhunt> Fixed out-of-memory scenario (bug 728531) which required a good deal of
[16:09] <jhunt> debug and resulted in uncovering a D-Bus issue (bug 766953 - report needs
[16:09] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 728531 in upstart (Ubuntu Natty) "chroot support is not reliable" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/728531
[16:09] <jhunt> to be sent upstream). Raised bug 766206 to cover some significant
[16:09] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 766953 in dbus (Ubuntu) "dbus_connection_register_object_path() leaks memory" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/766953
[16:09] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 766206 in upstart (Ubuntu Natty) "user session support allows non-priv users to gain root privileges" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/766206
[16:09] <jhunt> changes in latest Upstart. Discovered what appears to be a bug in libnih
[16:09] <jhunt> (will raise a bug when I have a better handle on it). Currently working
[16:09] <jhunt> on bug 767053 (rel critical).
[16:09] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 767053 in upstart (Ubuntu Natty) ""initctl status" no longer works as a non-privileged user" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/767053
[16:09] <jhunt> EOT
[16:09] <cjwatson> stgraber:
[16:09] <stgraber> Mostly helping with quite a few different bugs: bug 759545, bug 746028, bug 665218, bug 742935, bug 760035, bug 756920, bug 727410, bug 747325. Also got hit by bug 766534 yesterday so had to wait for the fix before my netinstall would work again.
[16:09] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 759545 in grub2 (Ubuntu Natty) "user prompted to update unmodified grub configuration during Ubuntu server upgrade" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/759545
[16:09] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 746028 in gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu Natty) "Wallpapers are not updated on upgrade to Natty" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/746028
[16:09] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 665218 in aptdaemon (Ubuntu Natty) "Software-center reports a progamming error in aptdaemon but without any details" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/665218
[16:09] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 742935 in aptdaemon (Ubuntu) "aptd crashed with OSError in release(): [Errno 9] Bad file descriptor" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/742935
[16:09] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 760035 in python-apt (Ubuntu Natty) "Ubuntu.info template doesn't allow deb-src lines using archive.ubuntu.com on ports architectures" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/760035
[16:09] <stgraber> (done)
[16:10] <cjwatson> I guess ubottu has a cap on how many things it will do in response to one line
[16:10] <stgraber> apparently
[16:10] <cjwatson> doko:
[16:10] <doko> working on opening natty (toolchain and basic library updates), test rebuild (tool changes and file bug reports)
[16:10] <doko> done
[16:11] <barry> cjwatson: https://code.launchpad.net/~barry/ubuntu/natty/pyepl/bug-719214/+merge/58164
[16:11] <ubottu> Ubuntu bug 58164 in Dapper Backports "firestarter backport" [High,Invalid]
[16:11] <cjwatson> ta
[16:11] <doko> http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~wgrant/rebuild-ftbfs-test/test-rebuild-20110413-natty.html
[16:11] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~wgrant/rebuild-ftbfs-test/test-rebuild-20110413-natty.html
[16:11] <cjwatson> s/natty/oneiric/, right? :)
[16:11] <doko> doesn't look too bad
[16:11] <doko> oops
[16:12]  * cjwatson wonders if it's possible to open oneiric PPAs in advance, with natty chroots ...
[16:12] <cjwatson> (might not be worth the trouble)
[16:12] <cjwatson> [TOPIC] Natty
[16:12] <MootBot> New Topic:  Natty
[16:13] <cjwatson> mvo: so you asked about grub/memtest86+
[16:13] <cjwatson> mvo: it's hard to say, but one possibility is that we're leaving some registers uninitialised on entry, for instance
[16:13]  * mvo nods
[16:13] <cjwatson> mvo: it could also be that qemu gives us a different E820 memory layout
[16:13] <cjwatson> either of those would fit with what's changed, and seem eminently possible
[16:14] <mvo> thanks
[16:16] <cjwatson> mvo: I'm not seeing an immediate reboot, but I am seeing "error: too small lower memory (0x99100 > 0x96000)"
[16:16] <cjwatson> perhaps related, hard to be sure
[16:16] <mvo> oh, interessting, on my box I don't see that or its happening too quickly to see it
[16:17] <cjwatson> again, probably indicates slight differences in memory layout given by the BIOS
[16:17] <cjwatson> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+bugs?field.milestone=33569 - 11.04 bugs
[16:18] <cjwatson> ev: are you expecting to have time for bug 740903 or bug 657086?  (sorry, haven't kept up with the bug comments)
[16:18] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 740903 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Natty) "return_to_partitioning fails when the replace option fails" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/740903
[16:18] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 657086 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Natty) "No restart option after choosing to "Continue Testing"" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/657086
[16:18] <cjwatson> bug 758614 I'm guessing is either a lost cause or the Kubuntu folks are going to have to deal with it
[16:18] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 758614 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Natty) "Kubuntu Wubi - Black screen during stage 2" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/758614
[16:18] <ev> I've not had luck reproducing bug 740903 (which is probably a good thing) but am not yet convinced that it doesn't exist
[16:19] <cjwatson> bug 529201 has had comments following your request for information
[16:19] <ev> bug 657086 continues to baffle me, but I really don't think it's natty at this point
[16:19] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 529201 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Natty) "ubiquity shows scrollbar in installation slideshow" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/529201
[16:19] <mvo> I look at 760035, stgraber fixed it, I just need to look at it again, the code is not that well covered with test-cases (there are some, but … ) so I'm a bit nervous
[16:19] <ev> it has, but that's another one I cannot reproduce
[16:19] <ev> I'm going to keep trying with a few more resolution combinations
[16:20] <ev> I can't unmilestone tasks, which is slightly annoying, so I can't make these changes myself
[16:20] <cjwatson> bug 764893 and bug 746313 are both on my list for today
[16:20] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 764893 in os-prober (Ubuntu Natty) "os-prober: does not detect Ubuntu in btrfs subvolume" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/764893
[16:20] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 746313 in partman-auto (Ubuntu Natty) "partman should reuse existing BIOS Boot Partition" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/746313
[16:21] <cjwatson> ev: you can't?  you did so for 766171 earlier ...
[16:21] <ev> cjwatson: can't what? 766171 is the apt-clone bug.
[16:21] <ev> oh
[16:21] <ev> unmilestone
[16:21] <ev> sorry
[16:22] <ev> I meant un nominate for series
[16:22] <cjwatson> jhunt: is anything happening with bug 580319 for 11.04?
[16:22] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 580319 in upstart (Ubuntu Natty) "dhcp3-server launches before upstart brings all interface, thus failing to start" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/580319
[16:22] <cjwatson> ev: the way to do that is to mark the series task wontfix
[16:22] <cjwatson> ev: it'll then magically grow a non-series task
[16:22] <ev> ohhh
[16:22] <cjwatson> (yes, this is odd)
[16:22] <ev> yeah
[16:22] <ev> great ui there
[16:23] <jhunt> not at the present. I spoke to Daviey earlier and since we are unsure if it occurs with isc-dhcp (v4) at this stage, we don't think it's in the running.
[16:24] <jhunt> Presumably the milestone might need changing?
[16:24] <cjwatson> jhunt: yes, that sounds like a good idea if it's no longer believed to occur
[16:24] <cjwatson> probably simply unmilestone it
[16:25] <cjwatson> all the other items on that list seem to be either non-vital, not ours, or being handled
[16:25] <cjwatson> anything else people are concerned about for natty?
[16:25] <ev> unity *rimshot*
[16:25] <jhunt> cjwatson: I don't seem to have those powers.
[16:26] <barry> ev: are you running natty natively on any mac laptop h/w?
[16:26] <ev> *ahem* I uh *coughs*
[16:26] <ev> I have this lovely Thinkpad next to my Mac
[16:26] <ev> allow me to divert your attention over to it
[16:26] <barry> ;)
[16:26] <cjwatson> jhunt: I'll take care of it, then
[16:27] <jhunt> cjwatson: thanks.
[16:27] <cjwatson> I must admit, I expected to hate unity, and then switched to it to discover that (after a few configuration tweaks) the only noticeable effect on my workflow is that I have slightly more screen space for maximised terminals
[16:27]  * cjwatson <- not a big user of desktop furniture
[16:28] <barry> cjwatson: i'm with you!  i sort of like the doc sitting there, once i found a workaround for the dual-monitor bug
[16:28] <barry> er, dock
[16:29] <cjwatson> I just set it to autohide
[16:29] <mvo> agreed, I like most of it, but I still don't see why the menu is not always visible for the apps, I whish there was a option for this. and FFM is a problem, but f10 is my friend here :)
[16:29] <barry> after getting my normal two emacs windows side by side, i have just enough unused real-estate for that dock, so i pretty much just leave it there :)
[16:29] <barry> mvo: agreed on that one!
[16:30] <cjwatson> [TOPIC] AOB
[16:30] <MootBot> New Topic:  AOB
[16:30] <ev> Who's coming to the release sprint / party?
[16:30] <cjwatson> I have no meeting agenda items for Oneiric since (a) holiday and (b) laser-focus on Natty, but I appreciate not everybody may be that way :-)
[16:31] <doko> when should oneiric ready for uploads?
[16:31] <cjwatson> I'll be at the release sprint, maybe party depending on how dead I am
[16:31] <ev> I'm sure we can always find something to prop you up against :-P
[16:32] <cjwatson> doko: I expect that I will open it for toolchain work either next Thursday (if time permits after the 11.04 release) or Friday
[16:32] <cjwatson> the latter's a bank holiday, but I think I'll be at home
[16:32] <jhunt> ev: I'll be at the sprint, but not sure about the party as I'm travelling back by train Thursday (unless I can grab a room somewhere)
[16:32] <cjwatson> doko: so after that it's just a question of when you're ready
[16:32] <ev> jhunt: sprint> awesome, party> RUBBISH
[16:32] <ev> you're welcome to stay at mine
[16:33] <doko> cjwatson: I am =)
[16:33] <jhunt> ev: do you know if we'll have hot running coffee at the sprint?
[16:33] <jhunt> ev: ta!
[16:33] <ev> jhunt: experience tells me that you'll have to fight cjwatson for it
[16:34] <ev> but no, probably not given how often we break coffee machines around here
[16:34] <jhunt> ev: I'm not *that* brave!
[16:34] <cjwatson> doko: I expect you can speed things up by arranging for us to be able to copy built binaries from a non-virtualised PPA
[16:34] <ev> I keep putting in a request for a barista at the QBR
[16:34] <ev> but they always ignore me
[16:34] <cjwatson> (maybe, will need to check with wgrant et al)
[16:35] <doko> ok, will do
[16:35] <cjwatson> generally it takes max half a day to actually set up the archive - usually less, it's been getting gradually easier
[16:35] <jhunt> ev: I'm sure it makes a difference. Those frothy hearts'n'all! :)
[16:35] <ev> it'd be cheaper than constantly buying coffee machines from NASA
[16:36] <jhunt> ev: wow, that rocket fuel stuff must make a strong brew. Just don't drink+smoke!
[16:36] <ev> lol
[16:36] <jhunt> (don't try that at home folks!)
[16:37] <cjwatson> OK, I take it there's not much left :)
[16:37] <cjwatson> one note on natty
[16:38] <jhunt> sorry - we just ran clean out of jokes! :(
[16:38] <cjwatson> pitti said earlier today that today was the last day for any big changes, and some little changes might get through tomorrow
[16:38] <cjwatson> but sometime tomorrow (probably), we'll be building release candidate images, and the only other things that will be accepted are fixes for showstopper bugs
[16:39] <cjwatson> so be warned. :-)
[16:39] <barry> cjwatson: what's the cut of time today for bug fixes?  i don't think i have anything critical, but i might be able to get one or two in before cob
[16:40] <cjwatson> if you have things that will slip past that (and don't *have* to be on the CD images for practical reasons, e.g. installer changes), then consider whether they can go to SRUs
[16:40]  * barry nods
[16:40] <cjwatson> barry: whatever time all the archive admins have gone to bed, I guess
[16:40] <barry> cool
[16:45] <cjwatson> oops, forgot to close this :-)
[16:45] <cjwatson> #endmeeting
[16:45] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 10:45.
[16:45] <cjwatson> thanks all
[16:45] <ev> thanks!
[16:45] <stgraber> thanks
[16:45] <mvo> thanks!
[16:46] <jhunt> thanks
[16:47] <barry> thanks!
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