[00:00] Azelphur: it is dual core with hyperthreading? [00:00] 4 threads? [00:00] hamitron: I think so yes, it's the 1.5ghz dual core atom [00:00] nice [00:00] my i3 only has 4 threads :/ [00:01] i3 is the low end line... [00:02] ali1234: I like them [00:02] :) [00:03] it lets me play all the games Azelphur plays [00:03] just not all at the same time [00:03] xD [00:03] I've found the 2gb to 8gb ram the biggest bonus tbh [00:04] although, the i3 did more than double my frame rates in games [00:04] http://www.google.co.uk/products/catalog?q=X201T&hl=en&client=ubuntu&cid=3308812795842845777&os=tech-specs omg :x [00:04] F1 2010 runs 5x faster [00:04] that's 12.1" with an i7 and convertible and does 12-14 hours hahaha [00:05] erm [00:05] but no not buying that, not quite that crazy. [00:05] does that i7 really run at that clock? [00:06] apparently so [00:06] the i7 in the alienware runs at 1.2ghz [00:07] but it does [00:07] :) [00:07] but Azelphur... [00:07] my i3 beats it [00:07] ;) [00:07] the turbo stuff is strange. it's how fast it'll max out one core if it's not using the others [00:07] yeh [00:08] hamitron: lol [00:08] I can see that meaning old games get the power they don't need, then new games have less cycles :/ [00:08] just a load of tech to benchmark on old single thread games [00:08] or processes [00:09] this is why I picked an i3.... [00:09] mine claims to go to 3.3 .. never seen it do that tho [00:09] 3.2ghz i3 is always 3.2ghz [00:09] :) [00:09] http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=50067 this is mine :) [00:10] I have read disabling hyperthreading improves gaming though [00:10] shauno: posh :) [00:11] http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=48505 [00:11] if I could get yours in a desktop pc for a reasonable price.... [00:11] loads better [00:15] http://www.chaperlin.co.uk/catalogue/ [00:15] how I save this? ;/ [00:15] i bought AMD [00:16] yeah. welcome to flash :p [00:16] because the intel chip specs were too difficult to understand [00:16] AMD just puts everything in everything [00:16] AMD just run too hot for what I wanted [00:17] hamitron: what the hell is that dentists catalogue?? [00:17] and was not cost affective [00:17] ali1234: yes [00:17] well, sort of [00:18] you really wanna download it? [00:19] yes [00:19] 123mb [00:20] it's 343 separate png's [00:20] can you see how they are named? [00:21] hm, my bad .. jpg [00:21] http://www.chaperlin.co.uk/catalogue/files/assets/pages/page0004_l.jpg [00:21] cheers [00:21] (without the _l is the lower-quality thumbnail) [00:21] how did you find it? [00:21] for future reference [00:22] so something like for I in `seq 001 343`; do echo http://www.chaperlin.co.uk/catalogue/files/assets/pages/page${I}_l.jpg >urllist ; done [00:22] and then wget -i urllist [00:22] webkit's inspector has a resources pane that'll show every url the page hits [00:23] kk [00:23] chrome has the same (it's just webkit), and there's a few extensions on firefox that'll do the same (pretty sure firebug does) [00:23] er, and that'd be seq -w 001 343 (else it'll print 8, 9, 10 .. you want 008, 009, 010 ..) [00:26] fairly sure you can get imagemagick to stick them all together into one pdf and finish the job they shoulda done in the first place ;) [00:26] (altho if they'd just been sensible, you'd be able to do text searches. but hey. flash is shiny!) [00:29] had to change it to >> too [00:30] oh [00:31] yeah. and pad another zero. I realised that after, but got bored of talking to myself, sorry :p [00:32] why is chromium in the important updates [00:33] I was listening, just re-typing [00:33] I didn't notice the extra 0, and set it downloading in background [00:33] \o/ [00:35] I shouldn't have bought portal. I've got stuff I actually need to get done before morning :/ [00:35] hehe [00:35] many thanks for this shauno [00:36] my Dad will be very pleased [00:36] far too slow loading each page [00:36] just had some fun talking to ##hardware about other netbook tablets lol [00:36] why do you want to rip a denture catalogue?? [00:36] the other choices so far seem kinda crap D: [00:37] ali1234: to read [00:37] madness [00:37] not if you make the things I suppose [00:37] you should just ring them up and ask them to send you a paper catalogue. "because your website is crap" [00:37] tbh, there is some cool equipment in there [00:37] it's the only way they'll learn [00:37] that's actually a fairly sensible idea [00:38] I mean, as much as everyone hates pdfs. you get to keep the printed layout, and ctrl+F works. [00:38] I don't mind them offering an online flash thing, but offer a pdf also :/ [00:38] ctrl-f doesn't *always* work [00:38] like for example when the PDF is just a bunch of images [00:38] my Dad tried to read it on 56k.... [00:39] ;) [00:39] well, it should, in theory. ofc if you just do convert *jpg catalog.pdf on those images, it won't. but if it's rolled into the production workflow, it should [00:39] and in a 300-odd page catalog, making search work strikes me as more valuable than page-curl effects [00:40] yeh [00:40] making it a smaller download too!!!! [00:40] 123mb is insane [00:42] perhaps not [00:42] pdf is just a container format... [00:43] I mean put text and text [00:43] rather than 1 huge pic [00:44] speaking of 1 huge pic .. http://bbryson.com/bill/2007/10/12/have-you-ever-printed-a-boarding-pass/ [00:44] this made me chuckle. guy prints his boarding pass on poster-sized paper. [00:44] the index of the catalogue goes by section/page so you can't even use it [00:44] what page does section 8 start on?? [00:46] I tried using the CUPS pdf print driver first [00:46] it crashed [00:46] ;) [00:46] you're trying to make a pdf? [00:46] I will put them in 1 file after, yeh [00:47] the load time for a page is too long, that is the only reason for wanting to download it [00:49] ali1234: I don't download this stuff for fun ;) [00:49] pretty sure imagemagick would do it. really just "convert page*jpg output.pdf" [00:50] will try it [00:50] ty :) [00:50] not got the pics yet though [00:52] http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/11/04/19/2037225/Erasing-CDs-By-Using-150000-Volts-of-Electricity [00:52] dude doesn't mess about xD [00:53] heh, yeah, spotted that one earlier [00:53] it went something like .. pfft .. yawn .. ZZZAAAAPPPPP ... do want! [00:53] indeed [00:54] how about tim berners-lee slamming twitter and facebook? [00:56] woah. 'convert' simply couldn't do that on my vps :/ [00:56] imagemagick sucks [00:56] shauno: you are trying it? [00:56] it loads all the source into ram first [00:56] :) [00:56] as uncompressed bitmaps [00:56] tried convert *jpg afile.pdf. got a sms telling me I had less than 5% swap left [00:56] hehe [00:56] 200mb of jpegs going to be around 20GB probably [00:56] killled convert, now I'm using 50Mb ram & 50Mb swap [00:57] what you should do is turn each jpeg into a single page pdf then merge them all [00:57] but even then you'll get a pdf that's slightly larger than the sum of the jpegs [00:57] only want it in a pdf so he can turn the pages [00:57] ;) [00:57] first I'll go diving into dmesg to make sure nothing got slain :/ [00:57] heh [00:58] gotta love linux oom [00:58] in theory it shoulda reaped convert first. but it's always sane to check [01:01] my pdf is smaller than the jpg [01:01] for page 1 anyway [01:01] ;) [01:03] if I pipe a command into another, what is the symbol to enter the text? [01:06] not sure what you mean? [01:07] nvm [01:07] me neither [01:07] ;) [01:07] I hate scripting :/ [01:09] oh wow. the result is a pretty ugly pdf :/ [01:10] how do I merge loads of pdf? [01:10] it should just be convert page*pdf output.pdf [01:10] but that exploded for me :/ [01:10] noooo [01:11] try pdfchain [01:11] ah [01:11] that sounds kinda to my cpu [01:11] not sure what package it is in [01:12] !info pdfchain [01:12] pdfchain (source: pdfchain): a graphical user interface for the PDF Tool Kit. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.123-2 (maverick), package size 229 kB, installed size 764 kB [01:12] oh. there you go then [01:12] lets hope it is in debian ;) [01:12] it's in universe, so it's probably "almost entirely straight from debian" :) [01:13] oh ffs [01:13] some of the images didn't download fully [01:13] heh, pdftk is installing java .. [01:14] ls *jpg|wc -l [01:14] scrap that [01:14] 343 [01:14] worked for me :/ [01:14] http://www.chaperlin.co.uk/catalogue/files/assets/pages/page0342_l.jpg [01:14] had me worried [01:14] :) [01:15] lol [01:15] no pdfchain is debian lenny? [01:15] :/ [01:16] it has pdftk [01:21] yey \o/ [01:21] single file [01:21] ty guys [01:22] I still think phoning them up and whining is a sensible option :) [01:23] pdftk did work a treat tho. the output I got from that looked a lot better, has the right number of pages, and didn't explode into 3 screens of errors [01:23] (of course, being a mac user, I put "looks better" first :) [01:23] haha [01:23] well [01:24] I'm gonna have to change it [01:24] how it looks is the most important thing for a pdf [01:24] and insert a blank page [01:24] that page 342 does look well funky [01:24] atm, when i view with 2 pages side by side, it isn;t the right ones [01:27] sorted [01:27] :) [01:32] I moved page 342 to page 3 [01:32] perrrrrrrrrrrfect [01:33] so where is this thing in chrome to look at all downloads? [01:34] right-click and see if you have Inspect Element in the menu [01:35] if you do, click it, then go to the Resources tab in the inspector that attaches to the bottom of the window [01:35] click Enable, then reload the page [01:35] found it, ty [01:36] the network tab is even more cool [01:36] :) [01:37] I'm used to using resources to figure out what's taking so long. but the whole inspect is really quite nifty for some jobs [01:39] yeh [01:39] i've always looked at html source code to get things normally [01:39] but flash is just :( [01:40] it's not just flash. css & javascript will both have you wading to figure out where something's actually coming from [01:40] yeh [01:40] flash is the worst, because looking harder doesn't help. but as a whole, it's much easier to just ask the browser now [01:40] I don't like them either [01:41] yeh, I see now [01:41] :) [01:41] you have saved me many hours of reading in the future [01:41] \o/ [01:41] I've been going nuts trying to screen-scrape something at work [01:42] I need one value from a page. seems simple enough. except the whole thing is streamed javascript. it's insane. [01:42] :/ [01:43] but I'm determined to figure it out, just because the guy who's product it is, told me it can't be done [01:43] :)) [01:43] oh no [01:43] 59gb of 60gb used of my bandwidth [01:43] :/ [01:44] was 58gb earlier [01:44] but had to download all these jpeg and software to convert them [01:44] it really is awful tho. the page itself is just a grid of cells. with a timer function that keeps making the same request to the server [01:44] and every time it does so, it gets a completely different answer [01:45] then evaluates the javascript in the replies to populate parts of the page [01:45] is it a consistent cell? [01:45] sort of [01:45] it's got a different name every time the page loads [01:45] but it's always the same relative to what cell the timer is fired from [01:46] so when you're trying to do it yourself, you know what the timer is called, so you know what the resulting cell is going to be called [01:46] sounds doable then [01:46] but to get the one value you want, you can't just ask for it. you have to sit there polling the server over and over until one of the replies has something useful in [01:47] :/ [01:48] that's been my pet hate for a couple of weeks now. the worst thing is, it's an internal product. so there should be a perfectly sensible way to request the data we need. [01:48] but apparently not :/ [01:49] http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/7-NETBOOK-MINI-LAPTOP-WIFI-WINDOWS-2GB-BRAND-NEW-BLACK-/250793776931?_trksid=p4340.m8&_trkparms=algo%3DMW%26its%3DC%26itu%3DUCC%26otn%3D6%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D8575023138927943348#ht_1515wt_1199 [01:49] coming down in price :) [01:50] shauno: can't the guy modify the thing? [01:52] shauno: so it's ajax? [01:52] they should be able to. or just add a page that just spits out the 3 numbers we need. but they won't [01:52] ali1234, yeah [01:52] i will write it for you if you pay me. i'll charge half whatever they want [01:53] heh, I'm not getting paid for it. I'm just trying to make my job easier at work :) [01:53] oh right. internal [01:54] sort of internal. it's a mess [01:54] well rather than screen scrape it why not just figure out how to do the ajax call that gets the data? [01:55] that's what I'm doing so far. but you can't just request the cell you want [01:55] you request changes, and if it's not there, it's not there. wait a few seconds, then request changes again [01:55] well there must be an original call to get the first set of data [01:56] it's always zero until it changes. it's what it changes to that's important to us [01:56] so if it's "not there" you can assume it's zero? [01:56] correct [01:56] is it like "number of printers that are currently on fire"? [01:57] s/printers/customers/, yeah [01:57] it's meant to be zero. when it goes non-zero, we need to find out in a timely manner [01:58] but if it only shows changes [01:58] what happens if it changes to 1 and then stays on 1? [01:58] we get fired :) [01:58] hehe [01:58] within a length of time it takes for the timer to expire and the page to update? [01:59] the page they've deployed polls every 2 seconds [01:59] so you have 2 seconds to fix it before you get fired..... [01:59] a place I did some work, they gave staff warnings if they let the phone ring more than twice [01:59] no, I mean they'll reflect changes within a few seconds [01:59] yeah but [01:59] the point is [02:00] 2 minutes is the SLA where it goes from being 'an alarm' to 'a HR issue' [02:00] what happens if it changes to 1, then 1 second later you load up the page [02:00] and then it stays on 1 for half an hour [02:00] it never changed after you loaded the page so you will never be notified? [02:00] if it's non-zero when you first load the page, it's in the first set of changes [02:01] the requests that the app sends back have a sequence number, so it has some concept of state [02:01] so just poll with sequence number = 0 :) [02:01] that might actually work. I've been trying to emulate the app they've already got so far [02:02] it's a start anyway [02:02] it'd be easy enough to try [02:03] another possibility is to run the whole entire thing in webkit and then dynamically pull from the DOM [02:05] right, off to bed [02:05] am deaded :) [02:05] o/ [02:24] http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/products/smartbook.htm [02:24] omg... [02:24] It's a netbook, tablet, mobile phone, PC, and secondary display wtf [02:24] that's insane xD === em is now known as emma [03:51] hello emma [03:51] Is it stormy over by you? [03:51] yay it's night lurker time :p [03:52] :-) [03:52] I'm using Ubuntu Netbook. Is there some way to get Firefox put back into the dock? I seem to have lost mine. [03:52] open firefox right click it's launcher icon click keep in launcher [03:53] Firefox is running, but I don't have a launcher icon. [03:53] I believe that's a bug, if an app is running it should show on the launcher/task switcher [03:56] ball: I keep watching this video...I'm amazed by this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWbCF1ulBPY xD [04:00] Azelphur: My users would break that thing in a week. [04:00] haha [04:01] What's the name for the thing that puts each X client's menu up at the top of the screen? [04:01] "Unity"? [04:01] ball: you mean the launcher and stuff? [04:02] in 11.04? [04:03] No, I'm using 10.something I think. Hang on, I'll check. [04:03] yea then unless your doing hackery there is no unity [04:04] unity is new in 11.04 [04:04] Linux derelict 2.6.35-22-generic #33-Ubuntu SMP Sun Sep 19 20:34:50 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux [04:04] ^- Is that Ubuntu 10.10 ? [04:04] that's your kernel version xD [04:04] lsb_release -d [04:22] Description:Ubuntu 10.10 [04:33] Whatever it is, it moves the menu up to the top of the screen. [04:34] that's the global menu, but I didn't think it's meant to be in 10.10 [04:35] I just looked at Unity on Wikipedia and it looks just like what I'm seeing on my screen. === emma is now known as em [07:31] [Ralph Janke] Pirate Party wins debate in Kitchener Waterloo - http://drupal.txwikinger.me.uk/content/pirate-party-wins-debate-kitchener-waterloo [08:04] morning all [08:09] morning all [08:26] Morning [08:28] https://twitter.com/#!/Queen_UK/status/60603720345468928 [08:43] morning all. [08:43] \o TOS [08:45] Hmm, Not sure about the acronym for my handle MartijnVdS ;-) [08:45] TheOpenSourcerer: Not a Star Trek fan? :) [08:46] Huh? [08:46] TheOpenSourcerer: http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_The_Original_Series [08:46] TheOpenSourcerer: "TOS" [08:46] Ahh - I see. Thanks. [09:02] hi, I was doing an update earlier, Maverick 10.10 and this appeared and wont go away. I have tried changing servers, but that doesnrt help. Anybody know how to get rid? http://imgur.com/KeGOe [09:05] scoundrel50a, have you tried checking those three items and pressing the install updates button? [09:06] sorry thought that was a given, yes I have. [09:06] It wont allow me to check them [09:06] The rest of the updates went fine === serial is now known as Guest17610 [09:07] i have to say, unity has come leaps and bounds over the last time I installed it (unr) [09:09] no ideas? [09:10] whats your error scoundrel50a? [09:10] I was doing an update earlier, Maverick 10.10 and this appeared and wont go away. I have tried changing servers, but that doesnrt help. Anybody know how to get rid? http://imgur.com/KeGOe [09:11] Just did apt-get update and aopt-get dist-upgrade still nothing [09:11] why can you not install from synaptic? refresh and mark for install so to speak? [09:12] I have neverf done that, ho do i install that from synaptic? [09:12] what ubuntu are you running? [09:12] 10.10 [09:14] if you go to pref or admin then select synaptic package manager. once you are there click on refresh for repo update then click on mark button and it should sort out the rest for you [09:14] ok, I'll give it a try, got synaptic open [09:15] refresh and mark for update [09:15] it should list all components that need updating including any kernel available for you :) [09:16] any luck scoundrel50a? [09:17] sorry, was just making sure, but that didnt work [09:17] have you tried cleaning apt apt-get autoclean ? [09:18] then updating, then upgrading [09:18] Could somebody kindly paste bin me the output of "id" for a sudo user as I may have forgotten the -a when adjusting my groups? [09:18] No I havent, I'll give that a go now [09:18] eoke its 0 [09:18] I'm logged on and back in the sudoers groups it's all the additional groups I'm not trying to add. [09:18] /etc/sudoers? [09:19] theres also a user and group admin gui in the main menu iirc too [09:19] I'm currently just in admin necessary for sudo but it's the other groups I'm after for a normal user in ubuntu 10.10. [09:20] you can set sudo privillages for individual accounts if thats what your trying to do? [09:20] well that didnt work, a load of stuff was remoived, but when I did a sudo apt-get updgrade it says it kept those three things back, most bizarre [09:20] I can sudo it's just all the other group names I'm after. [09:20] try sudo apt-get -f install to fix any broken packages then try upgrading [09:21] ok, will do [09:21] ah right eoke.. ill just get them [09:21] When you install ubuntu your initial user is in a whole series of groups I'm not longer in them, the "id" command will list all of those groups [09:22] Cheers Guest17610 === ChrisB_ is now known as Guest31745 [09:22] eoke : if you go to users settings, it has the ability to mod other accounts providing you have admi rights [09:22] root* [09:22] didnt do anything, said 0 upgraded, 0 installed 0 to remove 3 not upgraded [09:22] Guest17610, I just don't know which other groups are normal that's why I'm after the list. [09:22] eoke: I believe it's #EXTRA_GROUPS="dialout cdrom floppy audio src video lp src users" [09:23] per /etc/adduser.conf :) [09:23] Cheers shauno [09:23] Excellent I didn't know that's where the defaults were kept time for a man of that. Thanks all. [09:23] eoke theres loads sadly. i would boot in livecd and get them that way... [09:24] any other suggestions [09:25] scoundrel50a: is synaptic not updating the generic kernels? [09:25] how can you tell? [09:26] synaptic should download the kernel images [09:27] I'll have a look [09:28] ok, now I found something, against those three kernal there are greyed out exclamation marks, what does that mean? [09:28] means there not available for you me thinks [09:28] brb just check [09:28] 'ello 'ello 'ello! [09:29] ok, when I try to put mark for upgrade I get this message.....linux-generic: [09:29] Depends: linux-image-generic (=2.6.35.29.37) but 2.6.35.22.23 is to be installed [09:30] this site seems to have the same problem http://superuser.com/questions/23797/grayed-out-ubuntu-distribution-updates [09:31] did you read my last message, it shows an error when I try to mark for update [09:31] different to the one you showed [09:31] what error sorry are you getting? [09:31] when I try to put mark for upgrade I get this message.....linux-generic: [09:31] Depends: linux-image-generic (=2.6.35.29.37) but 2.6.35.22.23 is to be installed [09:32] ah right [09:32] so its not letting me update [09:32] just install that kernel via synaptic then all should be well :) [09:33] I'll try, one sec [09:37]