[00:01] I think that is correct [00:11] ok, forget cobbler... are there any helpers for setting up a PXE server? [00:52] wait a minute. rush's singer is a man? [00:54] i always thought it was a woman singing tom sawyer [00:56] lol@brousch [00:57] no way that's a man [00:57] geez, she is ugly. good thing she can sing [01:19] brousch: You wound me [01:30] Got my interview with Cloudkicker bagged. [01:30] Exporting it now [01:31] yay [01:32] Man my flash is completely fucked [01:32] both under Chrome and Firefox [01:32] snap-l: w00t! interviews! [01:32] Yeah, should be out by Friday. [01:33] weird, I usually go to chrome when Fx's is messed up since the whole "chrome bundles everything" thing :) [01:33] Was looking forward to this one. He's definitely got some interesting music, and I want to help promote him as best I can [01:33] greg-g: Yeah, I know [01:33] I've been using Chrome just for that reason [01:45] I use the native 64bit Alpha 2 from Adobe [01:45] gives me brilliantly solid flash [01:45] everything else is either flaky or crashy [03:25] yay for thunderstorms [03:43] Yeah, we're starting to get some storms as well === lotia is now known as lotia-away [13:21] morning party people [13:37] Good morning [13:38] no [13:38] Great morning? [13:40] no [13:43] Well, poo [13:43] mroning [13:43] yea, might not make CHC tonight snap-l [13:44] germ attack again, so not sure how it'll be tonight [13:45] ugh, sorry to hear that [13:45] hope you feel better quickly [13:47] yea, thinking of early bed and try to make sure I can still do Friday [14:22] heh, snap-l but tweetdeck doesn't talk to identica [14:24] morning. [14:25] PXE is FAST. [14:25] or rather, gigabit network installs are FAST [14:25] rgr [14:26] now imagine 10G [14:38] http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=176060&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=1552678&highlight= [14:38] awesome [14:38] I might go to the library for the first time since high school [14:38] or maybe jr high [14:38] rick_h__: I thought tweetdeck did talk to identi.ca? [14:39] i can't imagine 10G. My disks aren't faster than gigabit so I don't think 10Gbit would help much [14:39] lol... my wife goes to teh library every week. [14:39] We used to go to the library about once a week [14:39] unfortunately we haven't duplicated that over here [14:40] We'll probably do more once the weather clears up, and we can just walk there [14:40] snap-l: well, maybe the air client, but not the google chrome app [14:40] yea, my wife is a library person [14:40] I alwauys lived on base growing up so the library was a trip [14:40] verifying [14:40] so I've been a bookstore/etc person forever [14:42] http://blog.tweetdeck.com/introducing-chromedeck-our-shiny-new-friend [14:42] search for identica in that thread of comments [14:43] nice. [14:43] yea [14:44] http://identi.ca/mitechie/all [14:44] 80% snapl, 10% spam, 10% I don't care [14:45] http://identi.ca/snapl/all [14:46] 100% snap-l FTW! [14:57] woot! pyohio call for talks coming soon [14:57] thinking of doing one on sqlalchemy [14:57] any requests? [15:09] http://blog.venthur.de/2011/04/20/introducing-python-ardrone/ too cool [15:12] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmQOEX9a3tM&feature=youtu.be hah [15:15] That's awesome [15:15] I was hoping it was a little more autonomous, but I don't think it has the stuff on there to be environment aware. [15:15] jcastro: there you go, take your heli addiction to a new level [15:15] python powered [15:16] lol [15:16] awesome [15:16] I need glue to fix my rotor [15:16] yea, needs gps on there [15:16] jcastro: Already snapped it? [15:16] but it's wifi, so it can't travel all that far or you lose signal [15:17] yeah, but still. ;) [15:17] yea, think you have to move up to the few $k models to get what you want [16:32] http://www.bgr.com/2011/04/20/apple-recording-storing-gps-position-of-iphone-3g-ipad-users-video/ [16:32] so how will the fanboi's spin this? [16:32] google grabs a couple seconds of wifi data, big huge fines [16:32] apple is only doing it to help law enforcement find you when you're kidnapped [16:32] apple tracks all your location for a full year? ... [16:32] it's for your own good [16:40] Evo or Evo Shift? Any thoughts? Evo has Android 2.1 and the Shift has 2.2... [16:42] which one has better cyanogenmod support? [16:48] love this "there's no reason to worry, this data has't left your phone" [16:48] ummm, but if your phone is lost/stolen (or your laptop wiht the backup) they now know everywhere you've been the last year [16:48] and when you were there [16:49] or the gobment who searches your devices at border crossings [16:50] exactly [16:50] I wasn't going to go law enforcement since most people think 'not me' [16:50] but you see that story the MI police can backup a whole phone for a traffic stop these day? [16:51] that file with your 1yr of location points is in that data [16:51] http://exchange.ydr.com/index.php?showtopic=10996 [16:51] rick_h__: what the hell? backup a whole phone for speeding? ef that [16:51] I'm keeping my dumb phone from 2005 forever then [16:52] yea, they've got a device that in 30s will backup all of the data, pics, call logs, etc [16:52] * greg-g pets his Sanyo VI-2300 [16:52] hmm... [16:52] Complete extraction of existing, hidden, and deleted phone data, including call history, text messages, contacts, images, and geotags, [16:52] other than the battery being a bit lame, this thing is a tank. [16:54] the sanyo vi-2300 is cable #67 for connection [16:55] http://www.cellebrite.com/ufed-support-center/ufed-supported-phones.html [16:59] rick_h__: thanks :) [17:00] greg-g: you can be helpful to the office when he tries to find the right one now :) [17:00] :) [17:00] /office/officer [17:00] haha [17:01] it's like getting asked 'how tall are you' [17:01] I'm a 67 [17:01] I wish [17:01] (6'7") [17:10] snap-l: have fun with the ionic foot bath guy ;) [17:13] Yeah, I'm not going too go too hard on him [17:14] He got a nice foot massage. I can appreciate that. [17:14] :) [17:15] I have a big problem when folks get duped [17:15] Like those fucking balance bracelets. [17:18] If someone wants to spend $50+ on a plastic bracelet, I have no problems. If someone spends $50+ on a plastic bracelet because someone did a disingenuous leverage demonstration on them, then I have a problem. [17:24] hmm sounds like someone needs to write a virus for their phone... you want my data... sure.... not my fault you clicked on that file... [17:25] PainBank: Or overwrite it with impossible data [17:25] "I see you broke the speed of light three times before breakfast" [17:25] "All in a days work, citizen" [17:26] haha [17:44] snap-l: think I'll make it tonight. Looks like it's going to be a bookie hack night [17:44] <_stink_> hack on code or hack up lung? [17:45] lol, think we'll stick with code [17:45] boss is coming to help on FF extension [17:45] <_stink_> dang [17:45] <_stink_> gotta push my stuff [17:45] <_stink_> my failures [17:46] rick_h__: Awesome. Don't get me sick [17:47] _stink_: just push it! don't pretty it up! :) [17:50] http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/fabulous-virtual-window-manager-sees-first-release-five-years for all the people who like light window managers. [17:56] nice, but does it tile? [17:56] :P [18:01] i don't know. just said that it was lightweight. [18:02] wat [18:02] <_stink_> ColonelPanic001: thank you for that [18:03] ? [18:04] fvwm does tiling much the same way that the System 7 Macintosh does tiling [18:09] <_stink_> rick_h__: i'll be there tonight [18:09] i'd like to be there. but i can't. is there a way i can help from my humble abode here in Saginaw? [18:11] <_stink_> gamerchick02: https://github.com/mitechie/Bookie/issues?milestone=5&state=open :) [18:11] :) thanks [18:12] rick_h__: http://ubuntuone.com/p/nkt/ [18:12] oh, that's hilarious, snap-l [18:12] gamerchick02: also how to get started http://bmark.us/started.html [18:13] danke. [18:13] <_stink_> duh, left that out, thanks greg-g. [18:13] snap-l++ [18:13] _stink_: we're a team [18:13] <_stink_> high-five! [18:13] o/ [18:15] * greg-g wishes he could relax on top of his computer [18:16] greg-g, you have a laptop? i wouldn't lie on top of it... :-P [18:17] wow, i just used the "move a window when looking at the workspaces" thing that ubuntu lets you do. not sure if that's an ubuntu or a gnome thing, but it's cool. [18:34] One of the folks in an e-mail thread at work ins named "Sista" [18:34] Having a hard time not thinking of "Sista Soljah" [18:35] Bah, Souljah. :) [18:35] heh [18:36] gamerchick02: yeah, ok, I wish i could relax on top of a nice humming along supercomputer [18:36] that sounds wonderful, actually. might give a little bit of a massage to your back. [18:36] nice and warm too. [18:39] yep :) [18:39] though, the radiation might not be the best for me... uhhh, 'down there' [18:41] good point. radiation shouldn't be good for anyone regardless. [18:41] <_stink_> are computers radioactive? [18:42] * _stink_ dons his lead cup [18:42] Radiation is good. [18:42] some radiation is good. not all [18:42] I'm just not fully awake until I've had my morning cup of alpha emitters. [18:43] heh [18:47] a German penguin has fallen in love with a boot. [18:47] * gamerchick02 is listening to Wait Wait Don't Tell Me. [18:48] <_stink_> a u-boot? [18:48] no, a Wellington [18:48] the penguin's name? Bonaparte. [18:48] not sure how relevant this is to our interests... but still. :) [18:49] WWDTM is hilarious. [18:49] <_stink_> it is. [18:51] and then followed up by one of the lamest/slowest moving shows ever, Whadya Know [18:51] <_stink_> OH MAN [18:51] <_stink_> i'm glad i'm not the only one who thinks that [18:51] <_stink_> i want to like Whadya Know [18:51] <_stink_> but it's HORRIBLE [18:52] <_stink_> i feel so bad for the people in that live audience [18:52] yeah, I think I used to like it, when I was in elementary school. but that could also be because my grandpa always used to ask me "whatdya know?" and the correct reponse was "not much, you?" (its a wisconsin thing) [18:52] <_stink_> heh [19:01] OK, apparently I'm one of the few folks that likes Whaddya KNow [19:01] granted, I'm not about to listen to a podcast of it, but it's at least entertaining [19:01] Whaddya KNow? I haven't heard that [19:02] i've never heard it before. must not play on my local NPR [19:02] <_stink_> sorry snap-l. [19:02] then again, i like A Prairie Home Companion, so... [19:02] gah, now that I can't listen to [19:03] I like Prairie Home every now and then [19:03] Carrie hates it [19:03] i like Garrison Keillor. [19:03] I already know all of the Lutheran jokes [19:03] I'm good, thank you. [19:03] funny as shit, especially his monologue. [19:04] brb, gonna see if my mom needs help [19:04] ok [19:05] i'm going to dextek. bbl. car issues. [19:07] fun fun, good luck [19:10] anyone tried using Panda3D? [19:11] sounds like a zoo exibit [19:11] http://www.panda3d.org/ [19:11] usese python for the game engine scripting. [19:15] PainBank: Does it support Linux? :) [19:17] supposed to be cross platform. [19:17] Yeah, just noticed that [19:17] ah yup [19:17] http://www.panda3d.org/download.php?sdk&version=1.7.2 [19:18] http://www.panda3d.org/download.php?platform=ubuntu&version=1.7.2&sdk [19:46] thanks, i'm back. the cars are dropped off. hopefully Dex can fix mine. [19:46] o.o [19:46] it does sound like a zoo exhibit. [20:05] Fuckin' hell [20:06] http://www.miroguide.com/audio/14156 [20:06] http://www.miroguide.com/audio/14157 [20:06] wat [20:06] nice! [20:06] Only took them for fuckin' ever to approve them [20:06] I have to catch up on that one [20:06] oh [20:06] didn't know [20:06] but it's cool they're in there. [20:06] Yeah, that makes me happy. :) [20:14] I think tjagoda got his playbook [20:16] yes, he has been spamming the tubes [20:16] the FB tube anyways [20:19] you'll be proud of me. i'm installing bookie. [20:20] gamerchick02: yay! [20:20] :) [20:20] yay+1! [20:21] i'm willing to give it a shot. i have a pinboard account (which i love) but i'd like to try this out too [20:21] gamerchick02: just fyi, don't expect polish yet :) [20:22] that's ok [20:25] ok. i'm following the directions on the bookie website, but i get the following: [20:25] gamerchick02@Sidle:~$ python boostrap.py bookie [20:25] python: can't open file 'boostrap.py': [Errno 2] No such file or directory [20:26] so, i need to create the directory somewhere. does this go in my /home? [20:27] gamerchick02: is that a typo? should be "bootstrap" [20:27] really? ok [20:27] ok [20:28] seems to be working now [20:29] boo!strap :) [20:32] i'm getting an error about fab files [20:32] says it can't find any [20:32] (bookie)gamerchick02@Sidle:~$ fab new_install:gamerchick02bookie [20:32] Fatal error: Couldn't find any fabfiles! [20:32] Aborting. [20:32] <_stink_> paste output of pwd? [20:33] just run pwd? [20:33] <_stink_> yeah [20:33] /home/gamerchick02 [20:33] <_stink_> forgot this step: [20:33] <_stink_> cd bookie/bookie/Bookie/ [20:33] (bookie)gamerchick02@Sidle:~$ fab new_install:gamerchick02bookie [20:33] Fatal error: Couldn't find any fabfiles! [20:33] Aborting. [20:33] whoops [20:34] (bookie)gamerchick02@Sidle:~$ cd bookie/bookie/Bookie [20:34] bash: cd: bookie/bookie/Bookie: No such file or directory [20:34] there we go. [20:34] <_stink_> erm [20:34] perhaps i should create that, eh? [20:34] heh [20:34] <_stink_> naw [20:34] <_stink_> the boostrap should do that for you [20:34] <_stink_> heh, boostrap, there i go. [20:34] booztrap? [20:34] do those work? [20:35] <_stink_> gamerchick02: whatever directory you were in when you ran 'python bootstrap.py bookie', there should be bookie/bookie/Bookie/ [20:35] just added it. [20:35] <_stink_> then it'll be empty. [20:36] <_stink_> bootstrap.py should create it and put a bunch of stuff in it. [20:36] i had a /bookie folder [20:36] but no /bookie/bookie/Bookie setup. [20:36] and it's still saying it can't find fabfiles [20:36] <_stink_> hmm. i confess i am confused about how your directories are set up. [20:36] i think i'll restart the process [20:38] gamerchick02: try not manually creating any directories. the setup should automatically create everything for you [20:38] thanks [20:39] http://pastebin.com/huuV59qk [20:39] that's what i have so far. [20:39] ah, you need to install git [20:39] I'm kind of surprised that wasn't a fatal error [20:39] lol [20:39] thanks [20:45] thanks for your help, Blazeix. pardon my newbishness... [20:45] and _stink_ too [20:46] <_stink_> no. [20:46] <_stink_> er [20:46] <_stink_> hah [20:46] <_stink_> np. [20:46] :) [20:55] http://pastebin.com/FCT5YnRY now why is it stopped here? Hrm. [20:56] I swear, you'd think I'd learn by now that Java isn't meant to be developed from the command line [20:56] how is it supposed to be developed? [20:56] <_stink_> gamerchick02: just keep waiting [20:56] <_stink_> that step takes a while [20:57] oh. ok. i'll wait then. thanks, _stink_ [20:57] gamerchick02: It's more frustrating to try to develop without an IDE [20:57] ok. [21:04] hrm. perhaps i ought to boil some water for tea while this goes? [21:05] <_stink_> hmm. dunno. i don't think it took quite that long last time i did it. [21:05] it seems to have stopped. [21:07] that step took forever when I was doing it [21:07] i'll wait a while longer and see if anything happens [21:08] it's best to just forget about it and do something else while it downloads/installs everything :) [21:08] cool beans [21:08] rick_h__: any thoughts on making git's absence a fatal error? I have http://vpaste.net/DwgRR?bg=light&ft=git ready. [21:09] heh. i guess i'm already helping even though i haven't done anything yet. [21:09] gamerchick02: yep :) [21:11] HEY! cool. it's now doing something! [21:15] ok. cd-ing into the directory worked. [21:15] i ran the fab stuff and this is what i got: http://pastebin.com/q8qRb1ri [21:18] <_stink_> gamerchick02: it looks like paramiko stuff isn't installed in your venv. [21:18] venv? [21:18] ok. [21:18] <_stink_> virtualenv. [21:19] so what do i have to look for and install? [21:19] <_stink_> the thing you activate. [21:19] oh [21:19] ok [21:19] <_stink_> i wonder if that's why the install took so long [21:19] <_stink_> if pypi timed out [21:19] <_stink_> can you paste ~/.pip/pip.log? [21:19] <_stink_> i think that's what the filename is [21:23] part 1: http://pastebin.com/enYz9bsM [21:25] meh. trying ubuntu pastebin. i got a "too large error" before [21:25] hre we go: http://paste.ubuntu.com/596687/ [21:27] and that'd be here. holy cow, i'm horrid at typing today [21:29] <_stink_> huh, looks like it should've worked [21:29] <_stink_> this might require rick_h__'s attention [21:29] i'm gonna put a pot on for tea. bbiab [21:34] back [21:34] mmm, tea [21:35] Earl Grey [21:35] mmm, Earl Grey [21:35] :) [21:42] sorry was afk at a bad time it looks like [21:42] catching up [21:43] gamerchick02: you need build-essentials [21:43] build essentials. ok [21:43] at the top of the started page of docs it goes through some ubuntu packages it needs [21:43] build-essentials, some xml lib stuff, and the database-dev packages [21:43] yeah, but i searched for it and i thought i had it [21:43] ok [21:44] yea, so that error says it can't find gcc, to build the C-extension stuff [21:44] ok [21:44] unfortunately it's one of those tradoffs...pure python == easy, but not fast [21:44] c extensions == much faster [21:44] yeah [21:45] pure python ftw [21:45] is it build-essential or build-essentials [21:45] ? [21:45] sorry, not sure [21:45] try to auto complete it [21:45] sudo apt-get install build-ess [21:45] i have a package that says build-essential [21:45] sure, that works [21:46] well i have that, and had it before. [21:46] i always install build-essential and linux-headers-generic [21:46] hmm, then why was the error gcc not found [21:46] oh sorry, gcc failed with error [21:46] crap, sudo apt-get install python-dev [21:46] and fingerprint-gui is messing with sudo, so i'm stuck with synaptic right this minute [21:46] I'll add that to the list [21:46] right, ok sorry [21:47] python-dev it looks like [21:47] ok [21:47] doing that now [21:47] k, added that one to the docs and updated them [21:48] Blazeix: that's probably the right way to go. But what kind of fool doesn't have git :P [21:48] hey now. [21:48] :) [21:48] yea, as we get more people installing/setting up we find all the bits that we have in our system, but others don't [21:49] and try to get better docs about getting it going [21:49] I need to get things going to where I can do the hosted version [21:49] by the end of the year...at least that's what I keep telling myself is the goal [21:51] gamerchick02: once that's downloaded: http://paste.mitechie.com/show/295/ [21:52] http://paste.mitechie.com/show/296/ sorry, take that back, forgot a step [21:52] i'm trying from the beginning. [21:52] it sounds dumb but that's the way i learn. [21:52] no, works for me [21:53] and better to make sure the docs are right [21:53] eventually want to get the docs on that rock-solid. [21:53] greg-g: ++ [21:53] word [21:53] what sucks is I don't know how to handle making this easier [21:53] * greg-g has been using "word" a lot lately, like I'm back in the 1990s [21:53] otherwise I'll have to build python packages that are platform specific [21:53] greg-g: it's ok, we figure it's a hippie thing [21:53] hah [21:53] :/ not fun [21:53] how about a "step 0: make sure git and python-dev are installed"? [21:54] gamerchick02: yea, I missed that one when I updated the docs with packages [21:54] did you get the rest? [21:54] http://bmark.us/started.html [21:54] the libmysqlclient-dev, ... [21:54] yes [21:54] awesome [21:54] i'm redoing it from the beginning so i don't miss anything. [21:54] ok, have to get the boy from daycare, but will try to keep tabs on the phone irc if you run into anything else [21:55] and catching up on world cafe [21:55] obviously sorry for you hitting the issues and thanks so much for sticking through them to help test/catch our missing bits [21:55] * rick_h__ sends virtual coffee up to saginaw [21:55] :) thanks! [21:55] <_stink_> good god [21:56] i like helping out. doing this is no big deal. [21:56] <_stink_> i have hosed my git repo twice in a row now [21:56] I think I'll make a "these are the build-deps of bookie" section at the top of that which is just a list of the required packages, then a copy/pasteable line for Ubuntu 10.10 (others can supply the copy/pasteable lines for their own distros, *cough*arch*cough*) [21:56] :) [21:56] _stink_: :( [21:56] you're talking to someone who runs the daily of gwibber. [21:56] greg-g: the big thing is that the version for the pgsql package depends on what version of ubuntu you have installed :( [21:56] but yea, coming up was a single "apt-get install xxxxxxxxx" [21:57] * greg-g nods [21:57] that's nice, but a list is fine for me. i know enough to apt-get or search in synaptic [21:57] I'll even get one for natty, since I have a vm for that installed [21:57] gamerchick02: yeah, I just like copy/pasteable bits :) But, I can also not do that if it takes up too much space as we add more "supported" platforms [21:58] yeah, but typing everything helps me learn though. [21:58] i dunno. [21:58] true [21:58] * greg-g shrugs [21:58] though if i'm not careful, i'll make mistakes in my typing. i've been having a horrible typing day today [21:58] can you put it in a pre-install script? [21:59] detect ubuntu version, install the right stuff? [21:59] you can write a script to do that? [22:00] have to run it with sudo, but sure, why not? [22:00] well, hopefully this will be packaged for Ubuntu/distros one day, so we shouldn't do *too* much of that and instead let the packagers take care of that. Then, once it is packaged, we can just say "do an apt-get build-dep bookie" or whatever the command is [22:00] what about a ppa on launchpad? [22:01] that ends up ubuntu specific and were trying to keep it just straight python [22:01] oh. ok. [22:01] bah, ubuntu is the only linux that matters [22:02] i was just saying that makes it easy for ubuntu users. myself included [22:03] yea, if someone can ppa it more power [22:03] but it's a bit harder, edpecially when you get to hodting the app [22:03] eff yeah, i think it worked [22:03] hosting [22:04] wow [22:04] so... what do i have to do to keep this running? go through all those steps? or... something else? [22:05] heh, don't look there fow now [22:05] just use the paster command to run it to syart [22:06] the poster command. do i have to keep the terminal running? [22:08] <_stink_> rick_h_droid: ok, sent pull request for feature/ff_ext so folks can grab easily. (copy from #bookie) [22:08] <_stink_> not sure where you're looking. :) [22:08] gamerchick02: http://bmark.us/hosting.html [22:09] bbl [22:09] dinner [22:12] gamerchick02 you can pass a --daemon flag to bavkground it [22:27] thanks, rick_h_droid [22:32] gamerchick02 you get it all working ? [22:32] chrome extension as well? [22:32] uh, i haven't installed the chrome extension yet [22:33] ah, ok [22:33] just checking [22:36] what's the api key? [22:37] gamerchick02: you set it in the ini file [22:37] oh [22:37] ok [22:37] just so random people can't add stuff to your bookie install [22:40] that's cool, and it makes sense. [22:43] ok. i installed the chrome extension. and... i'm getting an error: could not find Bookie instance at http://127.0.0.1:6543/delapi [22:44] ok, make sure you went into thr options and set the right pasdphrase [22:45] Ugh, I feel terrible [22:45] Just took a cat to the humane society [22:45] ok [22:45] No collar, no chip [22:47] oh, the chrome extension docs might be out of date [22:47] I think the url should just be http://127.0.0.1:6543 [22:47] don't need /delapi after it [22:49] thanks [23:02] sorry, does it still say the delapi? [23:04] it did on the setup site [23:28] yeah, I changed that a while back, and I didn't realize that docs for the chrome extension even existed :) [23:28] I'll add that to my "bookie things to finish tonight" list [23:59] ha I've been trying to keep up with some docs