[01:48] <orngjce223> I'm stuffing a fairly small portion of my personal music library through the intertubes, if anyone wants to listen the (mp3) stream is here: http://radio.skaia.net:8000/skaianet.m3u
[02:07]  * holstein tuning in orngjce223 :)
[02:14] <holstein> orngjce223: nice music
[02:14] <holstein> you have much with real instruments?
[02:16] <orngjce223> Eh, I'm mostly videogame and videogame-inspired stuff
[02:16] <orngjce223> There's not much actual instrumentation here.
[02:17] <holstein> i can appreciate the work there
[02:17] <holstein> nice tunes
[02:30] <orngjce223> Where was I? Oh yeah. http://radio.skaia.net:8000/skaianet.m3u
[03:24] <mikehj316> I need help!
[03:25] <holstein> mikehj316: o/
[03:25] <mikehj316>  i think I just deleted all of my windows files! I hate Ubuntu! Its not good for new peopl!
[03:25] <holstein> yeah?
[03:25] <mikehj316> I tried to repartition my hard drive to run windows and ubuntu at the same time, and I couldnt do it right I guess
[03:26] <mikehj316> so now, I cant even recover windows because of the currupted partitions
[03:26] <holstein> mikehj316: well, i always say
[03:26] <holstein> read
[03:26] <holstein> read
[03:26] <holstein> read
[03:26] <holstein> then ask
[03:26] <holstein> then read some more
[03:26] <holstein> then ask again
[03:26] <holstein> but
[03:26] <holstein> we can try and sort it out
[03:26] <holstein> if you'd like
[03:26] <mikehj316> Please. I just want my windows files back...
[03:26] <holstein> you dont need to be in the ubuntustudio channel though
[03:26] <orngjce223> Hmm. Although it's more likely you'll get good help in #ubuntu
[03:26] <mikehj316> no its ubuntu studio
[03:26] <holstein> maybe the normal ubuntu channel
[03:26] <orngjce223> Yeah
[03:26] <holstein> or even #windows
[03:27] <holstein> ##windows
[03:27] <orngjce223> But the people out here are more experienced in serious audio/video work
[03:27] <holstein> mikehj316: i know its ubuntustudio
[03:27] <holstein> BUT
[03:27] <holstein> you are dealing with dual install issues
[03:27] <holstein> and that is not studio specific
[03:27] <mikehj316> oh. I see
[03:27] <holstein> mikehj316: im not sending you away
[03:27] <orngjce223> It isn't called "Ubuntu Studio" just because we wanted to rip off their name, we're using the same base
[03:27] <holstein> im just saying you can cast a wider net if you want
[03:27] <holstein> for support
[03:27] <orngjce223> But yeah. I really don't have the expertise
[03:28] <holstein> mikehj316: SO
[03:28] <holstein> you had windows?
[03:28] <holstein> XP?
[03:28] <holstein> on one disc?
[03:28] <mikehj316> no, 7
[03:28] <holstein> OK
[03:28] <holstein> and you have your data backed up right?
[03:28] <mikehj316> lol
[03:28] <orngjce223> ...I don't think anyone will like this answer.
[03:28] <holstein> NEVER partition or mess with resizing without backing up
[03:28] <orngjce223> Yeah.
[03:28] <holstein> regardless of OS
[03:28] <mikehj316> i got impatient...
[03:28] <mikehj316> and I learned my lesson
[03:29] <holstein> mikehj316: well, i think the best thing for you is to learn the lesson
[03:29] <mikehj316> Tell you what, let me try and reinstall Ubuntu studio so that way I at least have a working OS.
[03:29] <holstein> mikehj316: SO, you had win7
[03:29] <orngjce223> What did you do with it?
[03:29] <holstein> mikehj316: the ubuntu installer
[03:30] <mikehj316> I kept it
[03:30] <holstein> BOTH ubuntu installers
[03:30] <holstein> the live one and the alternate
[03:30] <holstein> will offer to resize your windows partition
[03:30] <holstein> mikehj316: is that how you did it?
[03:30] <holstein> you tried to resize the ntfs partition?
[03:30] <holstein> and what?
[03:30] <mikehj316> well... i didnt install both files
[03:31] <mikehj316> I mean both install disks
[03:31] <holstein> mikehj316: ?
[03:31] <holstein> how did you break windows?
[03:31] <holstein> gparted?
[03:31] <holstein> if i were you
[03:32] <holstein> i would get gparted
[03:32] <holstein> probably from a partedmagic disc
[03:32] <holstein> and look at the drive
[03:32] <holstein> see whats going on
[03:32] <holstein> try and get rid of all but the win7 partition
[03:32] <mikehj316> I cant even get my computer to run anything. I just get the HP splash screen and then it dies
[03:33] <holstein> mikehj316: well, you can get it to boot a parted magic disc
[03:33] <mikehj316> the whole thing is messed up.
[03:33] <orngjce223> What are you getting to us with? A phone?
[03:33] <holstein> and run gparted
[03:33] <orngjce223> Out of curiosity.
[03:33] <holstein> see if you can see the ntfs partition
[03:33] <mikehj316> no I am using another computer
[03:33] <holstein> get rid of all hte ext stuff
[03:33] <holstein> the*
[03:33] <holstein> spread the ntfs part back out if you want
[03:33] <holstein> *if its still there
[03:33] <mikehj316> where can i get one of those discs?
[03:33] <holstein> and recover the bootloader from the win7 disc
[03:33] <orngjce223> Now I've got to restart, brb
[03:34] <mikehj316> no I didnt recieve the wondows seven discs from HP
[03:34] <holstein> mikehj316: i use http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/
[03:34] <holstein> you can drop into google
[03:34] <holstein> and google
[03:34] <mikehj316> all of my recovery files were on the partition that i....reorganized
[03:34] <holstein> "download parted magic" though if you prefer
[03:34] <holstein> mikehj316: you can call HP
[03:34] <holstein> and ask
[03:34] <holstein> if its new-ish
[03:35] <holstein> they usually will send the discs for free
[03:35] <holstein> you might have to raise hell though
[03:36] <mikehj316> well...being the stupid honest person I am
[03:36] <mikehj316> I told them what I did
[03:36] <holstein> so
[03:36] <holstein> they still need to send you a recovery disc
[03:36] <holstein> you paid for win7
[03:36] <holstein> its your device
[03:36] <mikehj316> I see.
[03:36] <holstein> your not asking for support
[03:36] <holstein> just the thing that recovers the other thing you paid for
[03:37] <holstein> anyways, thats for you to work out with HP
[03:37] <holstein> if i were you
[03:37] <holstein> id wipe win7 starter
[03:37] <holstein> and put ubuntu on
[03:37] <holstein> *and back up my data in the future
[03:37] <mikehj316> no. I am done with open source OS from now on
[03:37] <holstein> lol
[03:38] <holstein> thats unfortunate
[03:38] <holstein> your entire issue is user error
[03:38] <holstein> has nothing to do with ubuntu/linux
[03:38] <holstein> that could have been an osx disc
[03:38] <holstein> or another win7 cd
[03:38] <mikehj316> I am such an idiot. I could have used one of my older computers for this. And I know that, I just am not good enough at this to use any of it
[03:38] <holstein> and you could have broken the recovery partition by accident
[03:39] <holstein> i have an EEE
[03:39] <holstein> i got on craigslist
[03:39] <holstein> i read about how to save the win7 install
[03:39] <holstein> and the recovery partition
[03:39] <holstein> i did a win7 recovery
[03:39] <holstein> then, got rid of one unecessary ntfs partitions
[03:40] <holstein> shrank another
[03:40] <holstein> and installed ubuntu 10.04 on the rest
[03:40] <holstein> BUT, i read about that for a long time
[03:40] <holstein> it was not trivial
[03:40] <holstein> i have only booted win7 twice though
[03:40] <holstein> so, i wont save it next time
[03:40] <holstein> but, i just wanted to make sure i could do it
[03:41] <holstein> mikehj316: you have lots of options
[03:41] <holstein> including going and purchasing windows7
[03:41] <holstein> OR buying recovery discs from HP if they wont provide them for you
[03:41] <holstein> you can also download just the plain old ubuntu live CD
[03:41] <holstein> and install that
[03:42] <holstein> over whatever you have left on your drive
[03:42] <ailo_> Yeah, sometimes they won't include a rescue disc, but give you instructions on how to make one. Most often the windows installation files are on the hard disk
[03:42] <holstein> then, you can do any of the obove mentioned non-free-of-charge options at that point
[03:42] <holstein> ailo_: mine had like 4 partitions
[03:42] <holstein> really odd
[03:42] <holstein> one for the OS
[03:43] <holstein> another just for data
[03:43] <holstein> THEN the recovery
[03:43] <ailo_> holstein, But were there many mediums?
[03:43] <holstein> and a boot booster partition
[03:43] <holstein> ailo_: ?
[03:43] <holstein> mediums?
[03:43] <ailo_> boot booster? Never heard of that before
[03:43] <holstein> yeah, its an asus thing
[03:43] <holstein> HP has an equivalent i think
[03:44] <ailo_> On my netbook I have a flash drive and a flash card
[03:44] <holstein> yeah
[03:44] <holstein> my old EEE was like that
[03:44] <holstein> EEE900
[03:44] <holstein> *is like that
[03:44] <holstein> im using that as an appliance pretty much
[03:44] <holstein> running pianoteq :)
[03:44] <holstein> as a rhodes sound basically
[03:45] <ailo_> Mine doesn't have a working keyboard, so I will only use it for reading manuals, or recording samples outdoors
[03:45] <holstein> hehe
[03:45] <holstein> i had a laptop that was beat down
[03:45] <holstein> no screen
[03:45] <holstein> keys missing
[03:45] <mikehj316> well, I reinstalled ubuntu on it.
[03:45] <holstein> i used it like a headless server for years :)
[03:45] <holstein> mikehj316: congrats :)
[03:46] <ailo_> holstein, Cool
[03:54] <mikehj316> LOL
[03:54] <mikehj316> lol*
[03:54] <mikehj316> its not the first time a teen has made a mistake... :P
[03:55] <holstein> mikehj316: this is just my personal opinion
[03:55] <holstein> but i dont consider wiping windows a mistake ;)
[03:55] <orngjce223> Hahahaha!
[03:55] <mikehj316> thanks for all your help. I will contact HP later on to get a new disk. I am going to use Ubuntu to see if I can try and figure out what is missing and what is not
[03:55] <mikehj316> lol holstein
[03:55]  * orngjce223 slaps holstein on the back
[03:59] <mikehj316> so how do i enable WLAN
[03:59] <holstein> *thats why i suggested the normal ubuntu live CD
[04:00] <holstein> anyways
[04:00] <holstein> mikehj316: this is?
[04:00] <holstein> 10.10?
[04:00] <holstein> mikehj316: can you hardwire up to internet?
[04:00] <holstein> temporarily?
[04:00] <mikehj316> 9.10
[04:00] <mikehj316> yes
[04:00] <holstein> 9.10?
[04:00] <holstein> mikehj316: before you do anything much in there
[04:01] <holstein> download at least ubuntu 10.04
[04:01] <holstein> 9.10 is not supported any more
[04:01] <holstein> 10.04 is a long term support
[04:02] <holstein> http://releases.ubuntu.com/lucid/
[04:02] <mikehj316> I have another Ubuntu OS installed (thru WUBI) Let me see something
[04:02] <holstein> mikehj316: wubi?
[04:02] <holstein> so you have win7 booting?
[04:02] <holstein> well, im not sure what you have
[04:03] <holstein> just dont freshly install ubuntu 9.10
[04:03] <holstein> its dead
[04:03] <holstein> do at least 10.04
[04:04] <holstein> its a challenging thing to get used to with ubuntu
[04:04] <holstein> and other linux's
[04:04] <holstein> coming from windows
[04:04] <holstein> or osx
[04:05] <holstein> where the releases are so far apart
[04:05] <holstein> ubuntu releases new operating systems every 6 months
[04:05] <holstein> and for linux, a lot can happen in 6 months
[04:05] <holstein> and a year for desktop linux is quite out of date
[04:05] <mikehj316> hold on just a second
[04:05] <holstein> folks tend to run stable verions of servers for longer
[04:07] <holstein> and now, we are only a few weeks from 11.04 release
[04:07] <mikehj316> isnt there a device or driver manager
[04:07] <mikehj316> really? already?
[04:07] <holstein> mikehj316: the kernel has the drivers in it
[04:07] <holstein> usually those are all you ned
[04:07] <holstein> need*
[04:07] <holstein> if you need a proprietary driver
[04:07] <mikehj316> what is a kernel?
[04:08] <holstein> mikehj316: you want me to google that for you?
[04:08] <mikehj316> ...no
[04:08] <holstein> good :)
[04:08] <holstein> the kernel contains the drivers
[04:08] <holstein> basically
[04:08] <holstein> SO you dont really go around and install drivers
[04:09] <holstein> you can add drivers if they are not included
[04:09] <holstein> mikehj316: but
[04:09] <holstein> you should get a newer OS
[04:09] <holstein> i think
[04:09] <holstein> http://releases.ubuntu.com/natty/
[04:09] <holstein> thats the very latest*
[04:09] <mikehj316> which one?
[04:10] <orngjce223> It's in beta but should be coming out later this month
[04:10] <holstein> you mean which link?
[04:10] <holstein> mikehj316: if you have a 64bit box
[04:10] <holstein> you can get that one
[04:10] <holstein> but the x86 one is good for all
[04:10] <holstein> well, nearly all now-a-days
[04:12] <orngjce223> Yeah unless you have one of those really old macs.
[04:12] <holstein> orngjce223: or 2 of them :p
[04:12] <holstein> i got a pair of old G3's
[04:14] <orngjce223> Hahahahaha
[04:14] <orngjce223> "If you need anything, my name is Betty. If you don't need anything, my name is still Betty."
[04:14] <holstein> lol
[04:14] <mikehj316> lol
[04:14] <mikehj316> hey guys thanks for all your help...
[04:14] <holstein> mikehj316: anytime :)
[04:14] <mikehj316> I will attempt to work with this later.
[04:14] <holstein> check out #ubuntu-beginners too
[04:20] <orngjce223> Oh yeah and another old joke while we're on the subject:
[04:20] <orngjce223> Two drums and a cymbal roll down a hill. *rimshot*
[04:21] <holstein> bucket-o-fish
[06:36] <orngjce223> Hey so I want to use a tts to pipe speech into a certain unnamed proprietary voicechat program, via espeak
[06:36] <orngjce223> Of course this is with jack's ever-adoring patchbay as the intermediary, but I can't get espeak to change audio devices away from ALSA.
[06:37] <orngjce223> Is there like a magic voodoo compatibility layer I'm supposed to be using for this?
[06:50] <orngjce223> ...Oh I get an answer.
[06:50] <orngjce223> Espeak is /stupid/ and I'm supposed to compile from source, with a patch, to fix that.
[06:50] <orngjce223> Fantastic.
[07:28] <orngjce223> Okay, so through judicious use of pipes I have .wav files as output, I think I also need to try padsp.
[11:07] <vadim_> Heyy someone can help me to install it
[11:07] <vadim_> ??
[11:08] <vadim_> #ubuntu
[14:43] <holstein> vlada: ?
[14:44] <holstein> if you are having trouble installing
[14:44] <holstein> use just the normal live CD
[14:44] <holstein> and add whatever ubuntustudio packages
[17:08] <vlada> holstein, ?
[17:08] <vlada> holstein, hi
[17:09] <vlada> I didn't ask anything :)
[17:09] <holstein> vlada: OH
[17:09] <holstein> i see :)
[17:09] <holstein> sorry
[17:09] <holstein> 06:03 < vadim_> Heyy someone can help me to install it
[17:09] <holstein> i just tried auto-complete
[17:10] <vlada> holstein, close, but no cigar :)
[17:10] <holstein> and went for it ;)
[19:07] <orngjce223> Oh hey I just got an error
[19:07] <orngjce223> ia32libs isn't upgrading because
[19:07] <orngjce223> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/ia32-libs_2.7ubuntu26.1_amd64.deb: trying to overwrite '/usr/lib32/libjack.so.0', which is also in package lib32jack0 6
[19:07] <orngjce223> So does that mean I have to take out lib32jack0 and upgrade or something?
[19:08] <orngjce223> Wait a moment that kinda wipes out every JACK package ever, so I guess I'll go figure out what the hell is up with ia32-libs
[19:09]  * orngjce223 idly searches
[19:09] <orngjce223> https://bugs.launchpad.net/kxstudio/+bug/767214
[19:09] <ubottu> Ubuntu bug 767214 in KXStudio "Package conflict: "ia32-libs 2.7ubuntu26.1" with "lib32jack0 6:1.9.7~dfsg-1+kxstudio1~lucid1"" [Undecided,In progress]
[19:09] <orngjce223> Okay that works then I guess
[19:58] <Guildenstern> is there a easy way to have a dual boot ubuntu/ubuntustudio ?
[19:58] <Guildenstern> just ubuntu & ubuntustudio - no windows#
[20:00] <holstein> Guildenstern: sure
[20:00] <holstein> but, one way i do that is with kernels
[20:00] <holstein> like on laptops
[20:00] <holstein> i just have the -generic kernel and -realtime
[20:00] <holstein> and select at boot
[20:00] <holstein> ubuntustudio = ubuntu
[20:00] <holstein> not really much need to dual boot
[20:00] <Guildenstern> indeed
[20:00] <holstein> just install normal ubuntu and add what pacakges you need
[20:01] <holstein> Guildenstern: that being said
[20:01] <holstein> you just need to be aware of GRUB
[20:01] <Guildenstern> but some apps have different configuration
[20:01] <holstein> !grub2
[20:01] <ubottu> GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since 9.10 (Karmic). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 - See !grub1 for releases before Karmic (9.10)
[20:01] <holstein> for example
[20:01] <holstein> i have lucid, maverick and natty on a laptop
[20:01] <holstein> lucid is 'controlling' grub
[20:01] <holstein> SO
[20:01] <holstein> when i installed the others
[20:02] <holstein> i didnt install grub at all
[20:02] <Guildenstern> I'd like to have different audio settings... well I can try that with different desktop sessions
[20:02] <holstein> i booted into lucid and ran sudo update-grub
[20:02] <holstein> and it picked the other up
[20:02] <holstein> if i remove them
[20:02] <holstein> i can do the same again
[20:02] <holstein> Guildenstern: theres no reason to dual boot ubuntu and ubuntustudio though
[20:03] <holstein> for studio, JACK is the tool
[20:03] <holstein> and when you start JACK, JACK is running
[20:03] <holstein> pulse is what most use for the desktop
[20:03] <holstein> no reason to have different audio configurations
[20:03] <holstein> but again, thats how^
[20:04] <holstein> just be cautious of grub, and you can boot as many buntus as you like
[20:04] <Guildenstern> I made some "strange" experience with JACK and non-RT-kernel
[20:04] <Guildenstern> therefore I came up with the dual boot idea
[20:04] <holstein> right
[20:04] <holstein> thats why i use several kernels
[20:04] <holstein> on the laptops*
[20:05] <holstein> Guildenstern: the -generic kernel is getting more appropriate all the time
[20:05] <orngjce223> Yeah, you just don't start JACK if you're not going to use it, and if you don't need to start JACK you don't need an RT kernel so you can boot into the regular one
[20:05] <holstein> and we have several options that abogani has provided for us
[20:05] <holstein> -realtime and another option that is in between them, -lowlatency
[20:05] <Guildenstern> I agree
[20:06] <holstein> Guildenstern: installing ubuntutsudio wont get you that kernel either
[20:06] <holstein> you have to add an RT kernel one way or the other
[20:06] <Guildenstern> oh, I hoped everything will be pre-configured
[20:06] <holstein> hopefully, by 12.04, we wont need a different kernel :)
[20:06] <holstein> Guildenstern: it is
[20:06] <holstein> as pre-configured as it needs to be
[20:06] <holstein> *as it can be
[20:07] <holstein> most folks dont need low latency
[20:07] <holstein> Guildenstern: are you doing realtime effects processing with rakarrack or guitarix?
[20:07] <holstein> or planning on using the computer as a live MIDI intrument?
[20:07] <holstein> if not, you dont need low latency
[20:07] <Guildenstern> actually I don't need the RT either
[20:07] <holstein> ardour compensates
[20:07] <Guildenstern> I want it as MIDI
[20:08] <holstein> right, MIDI is nothing
[20:08] <holstein> super light
[20:08] <holstein> as long as you dont need to play it in live
[20:08] <holstein> like an actual instrument
[20:08] <holstein> in that case, i think 8ms or so is acceptable
[20:08] <Guildenstern> even then... I think the RT needs are pretty soft
[20:09] <holstein> Guildenstern: softer than recording 8 tracks in and 24/96
[20:09] <holstein> at*
[20:10] <holstein> Guildenstern: do what you want, but theres no reason to dual boot
[20:11] <Guildenstern> hm...
[20:12] <Guildenstern> I think you are right... all I need to do is getting my system setup proper... i.e. Rosegarden, Timidity, Tartini
[20:12] <holstein> Guildenstern: if you want, check out #opensourcemusicians
[20:13] <holstein> lots of more MIDI minded folk over there
[20:13] <holstein> several buntu guys
[20:14] <Guildenstern> opensourcemusicans - that sound more like people from imslp.org
[20:15] <holstein> hehe, nah.. different folks
[20:18] <Guildenstern> i prefer listening to .sid over .mid
[20:20] <holstein> c64?
[20:20] <holstein> i dont do a lot of electronic stuff
[20:20] <holstein> i enjoy it though
[20:21] <Guildenstern> I'm passive listener only, too :)
[20:22] <holstein> i do a lot of acoustic music
[20:23] <orngjce223> I do electronic and like/listen to acoustic, so it's the other way around on my end.
[20:23] <holstein> im glad you reminded me of imslp.org :)
[20:28] <Guildenstern> I just started recorder lessons. But I use that knowledge also for Tabor Pipe and I also try to learn Shawm
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