[00:36] <Thermi> gn8
[03:57] <connor_> Hi, could someone help me install the "XMatrix" Screensaver in xubuntu 10.10? Thank you :)
[06:21] <lighta> Hi here, may someone give me a good tool to edit .dat files ? I've tryed allegro-dev-tools but it return some error.
[09:35] <kuatoAR> Hello !
[09:36] <kuatoAR> I need some help
[09:46] <kuatoAR> @_@
[09:52] <psycho_oreos> !ask| kuatoAR
[09:54] <kuatoAR> Well, my problem is that i have an onboard sound card and a pci sound card, the onboard sound card is turned off from Bios, but ubuntu seems to ignore this and put this card in the sound options, i don't know wich one is the "good" card and wich controls to select, no audio at all
[09:55] <kuatoAR> how can i know wich one is the onboard card and turn it off ?
[09:56] <psycho_oreos> you could probably check via lspci -k and blacklist and/or rmmod the driver responsible for onboard sound card
[10:00] <kuatoAR> I've executed lspci -v with only this result related to audio http://pastebin.com/SNY57tGf
[10:03] <kuatoAR> hahaha well
[10:04] <kuatoAR> now its working, i've selected the Pulseaudio Mixed
[10:04] <kuatoAR> *mixer
[10:04] <kuatoAR> i don't understand the audio setup @_@
[10:07] <kuatoAR> Thanks for the help psycho_oreos ! see you later :P
[15:36] <g00se> Just trying out x natty. What software is managing the network? Maybe it doesn't appear if there isn't one..?
[15:36] <charlie-tca> network manager
[15:37] <g00se> charlie-tca: i didn't see that in any menu iirc. Which one is it in?
[15:37] <charlie-tca> It is not in a menu
[15:37] <charlie-tca> it is automatic, as it has been for several releases already
[15:38] <g00se> charlie-tca: That's VERY confident ;) So i need to invoke it from the terminal (where i normally work) then...
[15:38] <charlie-tca> Then I don't know how to do that. I use a desktop
[15:39] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu is not a server edition, it is a gui version instead. If you are only using a terminal, that changes evert
[15:39] <charlie-tca> everything you do.
[15:39] <Sysi> networkmanager is controlled through panel plugin
[15:40] <Sysi> if you expecially want, there is also cnetworkmanager for TUI
[15:40] <g00se> Sysi: Well i suppose i just need to know how to invoke it if things go wrong
[15:41] <g00se> Oh and of course, if it's made decisions for me i don't want (such as configuring ALL interfaces)
[15:46] <g00se> So can i simplify the question and ask: how do i bring up on screen the network management software (as is)?
[15:53] <Sysi> g00se: alt+F2 nm-applet and it should appear on systray
[16:13] <g00se> Sysi: That didn't do anything unfortunately. When i did sudo nm-applet in the terminal it told me there was already one running
[16:13] <Sysi> shouldn't be runned as root
[16:14] <Sysi> then you already have it running, if you don't have it in panel you're propably missing "notification area"
[16:16] <g00se> Sysi: Tried it both ways. Shall scour the panel.Any idea what the default password is for user 'ubuntu' in live?
[16:16] <Sysi> shouldn't be any
[16:17]  * g00se is trying to ssh into live
[16:18] <Sysi> ssh-server isn't installed by default
[16:18] <Sysi> i've never toyed much with live
[16:19] <g00se> No. I just installed it. Created a new password so i'm now in
[18:02] <g00se> Thanks folks
[19:21] <pctx> hello IRC
[19:21] <pctx> guessing this channel isn't as active as the regular ubuntu one? :)
[19:22] <charlie-tca> that would be correct. Xubuntu has many fewer users than Ubuntu
[19:24] <pctx> well I'm a recent convert from Ubuntu to Xubuntu... so I figured I'd check out the channel
[19:24] <pctx> really excited for 11.04
[19:25] <Arpad2> when is due the new edition?
[19:25] <charlie-tca> April 28
[19:25] <Arpad2> thx :)
[19:26] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[19:26] <charlie-tca> We release at the same time as Ubuntu
[19:26] <pctx> yup--- looking forward to it
[19:26] <pctx> I hate unity
[19:26] <pctx> and Gnome 3 is just annoying
[19:26] <Arpad2> with xfce 4.8 ?
[19:26] <pctx> I tried out xfce 4.8
[19:26] <TheSheep> the times
[19:26] <pctx> and I have never looked back :)
[19:26] <TheSheep> they are achanging
[19:27] <charlie-tca> Arpad2: yes, with Xfce 4.8
[19:27] <Arpad2> :)
[19:27] <pctx> xfece w/ Docky = godly
[19:27] <pctx> :)
[19:27] <TheSheep> soon more people will be using smartphones than computers, and the interfaces of computer will be based on the ones of smartphones
[19:29] <charlie-tca> think there will be users that quit completely at that point
[19:29] <pctx> could be
[19:29] <pctx> I think those are the points of WebOS and Chrome OS
[19:29] <charlie-tca> The day I have to use that stupid tiny screen is the day I quit.
[19:33] <TheSheep> charlie-tca: and do what? become a chief?
[19:33] <charlie-tca> become a non-computer user
[19:33] <charlie-tca> I don't even have a cellphone anymore
[19:33] <TheSheep> that will happen automatically
[19:33] <TheSheep> look at our parents
[19:34] <TheSheep> they use maybe 10% of the computer's possibilities
[19:34] <charlie-tca> They never had computers. I will not be pushed to the phone screens.
[19:34] <TheSheep> we will be the same in a couple of years
[19:34] <TheSheep> tied to a computer at home
[19:35] <charlie-tca> Most people only use a very small percentage of the possibilities, they don't have to be old for that
[19:35] <TheSheep> true that
[19:35] <charlie-tca> I watch the twenty-somethings, using it for browsing the web and facebook. That is not hardly worth the cost
[19:35] <TheSheep> but the young ones use the ones that are considered most awesome at the moment
[19:36] <TheSheep> it's very difficult to program on android phone, even with a keyboard
[19:36] <charlie-tca> Kids are forced to learn computers in school, then they go on to use them at work, with the work programs.
[19:36] <charlie-tca> that still leaves very little use, overall.
[19:36] <pctx> blutooth is a godsend for programming on android :)
[19:37] <TheSheep> pctx: but you use normal computer for that
[19:37] <TheSheep> pctx: that's the point
[19:37] <TheSheep> I'm waiting for wearable interfaces anyways
[19:37] <pctx> well in a pinch :)
[19:38] <TheSheep> and programming with interpretative dance ;)
[19:42] <pctx> so
[19:42] <pctx> this might be a stupid question
[19:42] <pctx> but what is the best way to make shortcuts on the desktop in 11.04?
[19:43] <TheSheep> I would copy them from /usr/share/applications/
[19:43] <TheSheep> if you mean launchers
[19:43] <charlie-tca> drag and drop from the menu, software center, or Application finder
[19:43] <TheSheep> charlie-tca: drag and drop from menu doesn't work for me
[19:44] <charlie-tca> In natty?
[19:44] <TheSheep> yes
[19:44] <charlie-tca> I thought it was supposed to work
[19:44]  * charlie-tca had it fail too, but ...
[19:44] <TheSheep> I can't drag anythng from the menu
[19:44] <TheSheep> it's just not draggable
[19:44] <Sysi> worksforme
[19:44] <charlie-tca> what about from Application finder?
[19:45] <charlie-tca> Sysi: in XUbuntu?
[19:45] <TheSheep> no idea, I don't have it installed
[19:45] <Sysi> charlie-tca: yes, natty
[19:45] <TheSheep> Sysi: the right-click on the desktop applicatiosn menu?
[19:45] <charlie-tca> Yes, it comes installed, under Accessories
[19:45] <pctx> ah yes
[19:45] <TheSheep> charlie-tca: first thing I remove
[19:45] <pctx> drag and drop does work
[19:45] <Sysi> TheSheep: menu from panel
[19:45] <TheSheep> Sysi: second thing I remove :P
[19:45] <pctx> but thanks to TheSheep for that other tip
[19:46] <pctx> :)
[19:46] <Sysi> i thought i have weird setup
[19:46] <charlie-tca> TheSheep: Apparently, it works for others besides you and me
[19:46] <TheSheep> not that I have any icons on the desktop or ever wanted any
[19:46]  * charlie-tca doesn't have a menu, except on right click
[19:46] <TheSheep> charlie-tca: same
[19:47] <Sysi> what's wrong with you guys :P (like i used it even daily)
[19:47] <TheSheep> btw, is there are way to choose what appears on the indicator plugin?
[19:47] <TheSheep> that envelope icon makes me think I have a message in gajim all the time
[19:47] <charlie-tca> I upgraded to natty before it was available, and got used to not needing it. It is really a luxury to have that thing
[19:48] <charlie-tca> oops, I don't have that either. I never installed indicator-applet
[19:48] <charlie-tca> still use notification area here
[19:48] <TheSheep> charlie-tca: then how do you display the network manager icon?
[19:48] <charlie-tca> It shows
[19:48] <charlie-tca> I don't know how
[19:48] <TheSheep> it doesn't for me
[19:48] <charlie-tca> but it is there
[19:49] <charlie-tca> I use static IP addresses, though. Maybe that's why
[19:51] <Sysi> it should be there but with wrong icon
[19:51] <charlie-tca> Same Icon I see when I test the installs
[19:51] <Sysi> TheSheep: you can remove indicator-messages
[19:52] <charlie-tca> The up/down arrow?
[20:18] <TheSheep> Sysi: cool, thanks!
[21:20] <jsk__> Hi all. Stupid question here. I'm just testing XUbuntu 11.04 Beta 2 on virtual machine. When Xubuntu 11.04 final is released on 28th, will there be upgrade to final possible, or I need reinstall ? Thanks
[21:20] <charlie-tca> !final
[21:21] <jsk__> lol, many thanks
[21:21] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[21:22] <jsk__> if it's not bothering you, I'll ask something I hope there's not '!command' for :)
[21:22] <jsk__> the only reason I've used gnome so far was that it automatically remember SSH key password after logging in for whole session
[21:22] <charlie-tca> It 's usually easier if there is one, since it saves trying to remember all of it
[21:22] <jsk__> with XUbuntu, I found it's possible
[21:23] <jsk__> but I need to enable 'enable gnome services on startup'
[21:23] <jsk__> then when I try to log in to SSH remote machine, it asks for my private key password and it's all fine
[21:23] <jsk__> no password prompts then for any ssh remote session
[21:23] <jsk__> I'm just wonder, what 'gnome services at startup' means, what are side effects in performance or so
[21:24] <jsk__> for sure it runs gnome-keyring or something
[21:24] <charlie-tca> It lets it enable things that gnome uses, including the gnome-keyring
[21:24] <jsk__> but what else ? Because I feel 'dirty' because of that, like running XFCE on top of Gnome
[21:24] <charlie-tca> otherwise, you have to keep trying to enable it
[21:24] <jsk__> it's not enabled by default
[21:24] <jsk__> so I thought it's for some reason
[21:25] <charlie-tca> Xfce is using some stuff from Gnome, anyway.
[21:25] <jsk__> so I can't break anything ? :)
[21:26] <charlie-tca> I can always break things, myself
[21:26] <charlie-tca> but then, I am really good at breaking software
[21:26] <jsk__> lol, OK, I'll keep it enabled just for the reason of having SSH key remembered :) thanks
[21:27] <charlie-tca> I don't remember what else it does, but it also makes it so you don't have to type the wireless key every time, I think
[21:27] <jsk__> aah, nice
[21:28] <jsk__> sounds like a 2 good reasons then :) thanks a lot
[21:28] <charlie-tca> At least it doesn't hurt anything. It just seems to make life simpler.
[21:30] <jsk__> thanks a lot Charlie
[21:30] <jsk__> good night
[21:30] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[21:58] <pwrusr> Hi, im trying to set up a keyboard shortcut to htop and its not working. Is there a way to specify that it open a terminal before running ??
[21:59] <Sysi> xfce4-terminal -x top
[22:00] <pwrusr> -x top or -x htop??
[22:01] <pwrusr> tyvm that worked