| Riddell | valorie: your edit on the wiki page got in | 01:25 |
|---|---|---|
| valorie | oh good | 01:29 |
| valorie | stupid wiki | 01:29 |
| jjesse-kubuntu | good evening on an update for nattyi'm getting an error message on updating apport and apport-kde | 01:49 |
| ScottK | jjesse-kubuntu: Known issue. Fix should be available on archive.ubuntu.com in about an hour. | 01:52 |
| jjesse-kubuntu | awesome thanks ScottK | 01:53 |
| ScottK | valorie: Sorry we won't get to see you again. I'll try to talk loud. | 01:53 |
| jjesse-kubuntu | yeah bummer on that | 01:54 |
| claydoh | is it too late for the fix for this: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=234564 | 01:55 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 234564 in widget-devicenotifier "device manager popup in the middle of a screen" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] | 01:55 |
| valorie | I'll lay in some extra liquor so I can pretend I'm really there | 01:59 |
| c2tarun | Riddell: pin | 05:00 |
| c2tarun | g | 05:00 |
| ScottK | claydoh: Upstream didn't push the change to KDE 4.6.x branch, so I'm not sure they think it's suitable. I'd vote ask debfx for an opinion. | 05:33 |
| jussi | bah, it still wants to remove my kde :( | 06:18 |
| ScottK | Probably due to some random Qt pre-release snapshot you installed while on a trip. | 06:25 |
| jussi | ScottK: hahaahhhahahaha | 06:26 |
| jussi | no. | 06:26 |
| ScottK | I'd try sudo apt-get dist-upgrade and see what it suggests. | 06:28 |
| jussi | http://paste.ubuntu.com/596797/ | 06:28 |
| ScottK | jussi: Do you have kubuntu-desktop installed? | 06:29 |
| ScottK | I see it. | 06:29 |
| jussi | yes | 06:29 |
| ScottK | What happens if you do: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop? | 06:30 |
| jussi | http://paste.ubuntu.com/596799/ | 06:31 |
| ScottK | jussi: How about aptitude why-not kubuntu-desktop (no sudo needed) | 06:34 |
| jussi | lol | 06:35 |
| jussi | jussi@squirrel:~$ aptitude why-not kubuntu-desktop | 06:35 |
| jussi | Unable to find a reason to remove kubuntu-desktop. | 06:35 |
| ScottK | You may have to install aptitude depending on how recent the install is. | 06:35 |
| ScottK | Ready to try something slightly scary? | 06:35 |
| jussi | sure! | 06:35 |
| ScottK | Go ahead and upgrade and let it remove KDE, but whatever you do, don't restart the system. | 06:36 |
| ScottK | Then install kubuntu-desktop again and see what happens. | 06:36 |
| jussi | ahh, ok. :) Ive got gnome also here, if somethign goes wrong ;) | 06:36 |
| ScottK | Meh. Safety nets are for wimps. | 06:38 |
| ScottK | As long as you don't restart the session, it'll be fine. | 06:38 |
| ScottK | Of course maybe it'll break you network and then I can go to sleep. | 06:41 |
| ScottK | ;-) | 06:41 |
| ScottK | jussi: How'd it go? | 07:03 |
| jussi | ScottK: sorry, had to run for a sec. | 07:14 |
| jussi | (read: boss wanted me) | 07:15 |
| steveire | How do I pull from a remote in bzr? | 07:15 |
| jussi | ScottK: http://paste.ubuntu.com/596803/ | 07:17 |
| ScottK | What does sudo apt-get install kdebase-workspace-bin do? | 07:18 |
| ScottK | steveire: If it's on launchpad, it'll give you the command to copy/paste, bug generally it's bzr branch [url] | 07:19 |
| steveire | ScottK: I already have a local clone | 07:19 |
| jussi | http://paste.ubuntu.com/596804/ | 07:19 |
| ScottK | bzr pull than | 07:19 |
| steveire | branch does a pull? | 07:19 |
| ScottK | than/ten | 07:19 |
| ScottK | Yes | 07:19 |
| jussi | http://paste.ubuntu.com/596805/ | 07:20 |
| steveire | ok, thanks | 07:20 |
| steveire | shadeslayer: ping? | 07:20 |
| ScottK | jussi: Stale mirror. Point your sources.list at archive.ubuntu.com apt-get update and try again. | 07:21 |
| ScottK | What you're seeing is archive skew between your amd64 stuff and arch all packages built on i386. | 07:21 |
| jussi | ahh | 07:21 |
| ScottK | I checked, and it's actually built on all archs. | 07:21 |
| jussi | well then, wait one | 07:22 |
| ScottK | Depends: kdelibs5-data (= 4:4.6.2-0ubuntu4) but 4:4.6.2-0ubuntu3 is to be installed was the key bit that told me that. | 07:22 |
| jussi | ScottK: seems to be installing now. thank you for all your help | 07:27 |
| ScottK | You're welcome. | 07:28 |
| ScottK | Pre-release it's really better to pull straight from archive.ubuntu.com to minimize problems like this. | 07:28 |
| === yofel_ is now known as yofel | ||
| jussi | I think next time I do prerelea... was just saying that :D | 07:28 |
| ScottK | Of course if you run i386, it never happens at all. | 07:28 |
| jussi | hehe | 07:29 |
| ScottK | No, not kidding. | 07:29 |
| jussi | someone has to test the amd64 | 07:29 |
| ScottK | I suppose. | 07:29 |
| ScottK | IMO for desktop use amd64 is pain for not much gain. | 07:29 |
| ScottK | I don't need any single processes bigger than 4gb, so PAE works very nicely for me. | 07:29 |
| jussi | ScottK: I assume you will be in budapest? | 07:30 |
| ScottK | I'm planning on it. | 07:30 |
| jussi | excellent :) | 07:31 |
| === c2tarun_ is now known as c2tarun | ||
| c2tarun | yofel: ping | 07:40 |
| yofel | hm? | 07:41 |
| c2tarun | yofel: can you please help me with this error http://paste.kde.org/16231/ | 07:42 |
| c2tarun | yofel: ohh... wait somebody just replied on #qt | 07:42 |
| yofel | I'll leave it to him then, haven't programmed much lately | 07:43 |
| bambee | morning | 08:03 |
| Riddell | hola | 08:51 |
| === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan | ||
| Quintasan | Hello! | 08:51 |
| hunger | My quassel crashes whenever it tries to play a sound:-( | 08:58 |
| Tm_T | quassel, sound? | 08:58 |
| === moonflux_ is now known as moonflux | ||
| Riddell | kontact advisory man steveire: kdepim 4.4.11, do we want it? | 10:54 |
| steveire | I think so | 11:03 |
| Riddell | steveire: hmm, there's a lot of new stuff in here | 11:11 |
| Riddell | http://paste.kde.org/16603/ | 11:13 |
| steveire | You sure that's 4.4.x? usr/lib/kde4/imports/org/kde/Flap.qml | 11:31 |
| steveire | The Flap should be there until 4.6 at least | 11:31 |
| steveire | Along with the rest of the stuff. | 11:32 |
| Riddell | steveire: it's the tar that allan uploaded but he hasn't verified it yet so he might have done something wrong | 11:37 |
| Riddell | I'll wait until he verifies it | 11:37 |
| Quintasan | Yay! Tickets! | 11:45 |
| * Quintasan jumps around | 11:45 | |
| jussi | Quintasan: ? | 11:55 |
| Quintasan | I just got my tickets emailed to me :P | 11:55 |
| jussi | :D | 11:56 |
| mfraz74 | Natty beta 2. Just tested the screen saver, came back to the desktop and was told that KWin had crashed. Can someone else confirm? | 13:21 |
| === allee-k is now known as allee-n | ||
| steveire | Riddell: You might send an email to him then | 13:43 |
| * Mamarok is unhappy with update still causing problems, it refuses to update grub correctly, stuck at grub-pc again and again | 13:43 | |
| Mamarok | and there is no way to login with the previous kernel, I can't get to the grub menu with the shift key | 13:44 |
| Mamarok | so I am stuck, literally, as I can't update grub manually either, sudo update-grub after editing the config files in /etc/default/ is not responsive at all | 13:46 |
| * Mamarok tries again | 13:48 | |
| === steveire is now known as steveire_ | ||
| Riddell | apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/16975/ | 15:04 |
| Riddell | sorry for the delay | 15:04 |
| Riddell | incidently if you have gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg installed but not gstreamer0.10-bad or fluendo plugin Amarok complains that it can't play MP3s but then does so anyway | 15:06 |
| apachelogger | cause amarok knows how to use completely mindwarped phonon interfaces in even more silly ways | 15:09 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: interestingly enough it also stopped working here :O | 15:10 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: are you sure it works with 4.4.x? | 15:10 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: yes, works fine | 15:10 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: it would appear to me that packagekit is too dumb | 15:22 |
| apachelogger | it fills my heart with lulz | 15:24 |
| apachelogger | gstreamer|0.10|dragonplayer|MPEG-1 Layer 3 (MP3)|codec-audio/mpeg | 15:24 |
| apachelogger | no worky | 15:24 |
| apachelogger | gstreamer|0.10|dragonplayer|MPEG-1 Layer 3 (MP3)|decoder-audio/mpeg | 15:24 |
| apachelogger | worky | 15:24 |
| apachelogger | \o/ | 15:24 |
| apachelogger | yap yap, pkg does not handle the codec | 15:26 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: http://paste.kde.org/~phonon/17029/ | 15:32 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: thowing into my ppa for testing | 15:39 |
| Riddell | throwing | 15:39 |
| txwikinger | hmm.. amarok on natty seems to have a problem | 16:09 |
| txwikinger | I cannot play .wav files | 16:09 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: phonon gstreamer works with that change | 16:14 |
| === m4n1sh_ is now known as m4n1sh | ||
| Riddell | txwikinger: send us a sample file | 16:19 |
| txwikinger | Riddell: it tries to load plugins but does not find the right one.. it looks for gsm | 16:20 |
| txwikinger | I could listen to the file with another player though | 16:20 |
| Riddell | countdown now in http://www.kubuntu.org/ | 16:56 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: awesome :D | 17:08 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: can we get 4.5 now? :D | 17:08 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: not sure, depends on the release team | 17:09 |
| apachelogger | kk | 17:09 |
| bambee | apachelogger: http://img689.imageshack.us/f/screen1rlr.png/ , an idea ? | 17:28 |
| bambee | all videos are blue, or red, or magenta as default... o_O | 17:29 |
| bambee | I have probably installed a gstreamer plugin for videos effects... I do not know .. | 17:30 |
| apachelogger | hahaha | 17:30 |
| apachelogger | rofl | 17:30 |
| apachelogger | bambee: my bet is that you messed with the video settings in dragon player and now your hue is messed up | 17:30 |
| bambee | apachelogger: there are no video settings in dragon player... (except contrast, luminosity, or aspect ratio etc...) | 17:33 |
| apachelogger | bambee: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/avatar/snapshot170.png | 17:36 |
| bambee | apachelogger: I already tested that... also I tried to restore defaults... nothing changes | 17:37 |
| * bambee tries again.... | 17:37 | |
| apachelogger | in that case you probably broke something | 17:37 |
| apachelogger | bambee: you are on natty? | 17:38 |
| apachelogger | using gst? | 17:38 |
| bambee | yes | 17:38 |
| bambee | with gst | 17:38 |
| bambee | exactly | 17:38 |
| apachelogger | could not imagine what is causing it really | 17:38 |
| apachelogger | maybe check whether it also happens in kaffeine or bangarang | 17:38 |
| bambee | apachelogger: well, bangarang has exactly the same problem | 17:41 |
| bambee | so it's phonon :) | 17:42 |
| apachelogger | possibly 4.5 fixes it then | 17:42 |
| bambee | (or the gstreamer backend... I do not know) | 17:42 |
| apachelogger | more likely something is weird with your gstreamer though | 17:42 |
| apachelogger | phonon only sets the video's HSB on application request, so unless bangarang pointlessly tries to change the settings initially there is no way phonon could cause this | 17:43 |
| apachelogger | bambee: rm -rf .gstreamer-0.10/ | 17:44 |
| apachelogger | maybe that helps | 17:44 |
| bambee | apachelogger: no, it does not help :'( | 17:54 |
| bambee | If I remember... I have installed a gstreamer plugin required by dragon... and then all my videos were ugly | 17:54 |
| bambee | impossible to find the name :\ | 17:55 |
| apachelogger | possibly your video is just wrong encoded :P | 17:55 |
| apachelogger | or the gstreamer decoder is buggy | 17:55 |
| bambee | apachelogger: it works just fine with vlc | 17:55 |
| apachelogger | bambee: that does not mean that it is encoded correctly | 17:57 |
| bambee | well... the same video works on my laptop :) | 17:57 |
| bambee | with dragon | 17:57 |
| bambee | it does not on my desktop | 17:57 |
| apachelogger | it still can be any number of things | 17:58 |
| apachelogger | bambee: sudo apt-get install totem --no-install-recommends | 17:58 |
| apachelogger | try with totem | 17:58 |
| apachelogger | if it does not work there then it is definitely no phonon problem | 17:58 |
| bambee | apachelogger: it works fine with totem | 18:00 |
| apachelogger | fun | 18:00 |
| apachelogger | bambee: well, that does not make sense | 18:01 |
| bambee | apachelogger: I know | 18:01 |
| apachelogger | http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Debugging/Phonon | 18:01 |
| bambee | apachelogger: that's why I am asking to you :D | 18:01 |
| bambee | apachelogger: it works ... lool | 18:04 |
| bambee | I changed nothing... and it works o_O | 18:04 |
| bambee | wtf ? | 18:04 |
| bambee | I have just installed totem... it has probably changed something in gstreamer configuration... | 18:05 |
| apachelogger | not impossible but unlikely | 18:05 |
| apachelogger | totem uses only one module of gstreamer IIRc | 18:06 |
| apachelogger | the one that builds a pipeline automagically | 18:06 |
| apachelogger | http://i.imgur.com/G7dE1.jpg | 18:07 |
| apachelogger | who wants to try explaining this? | 18:08 |
| apachelogger | one ought to note the line above the column'd ls output | 18:08 |
| apachelogger | and then the error below "oi" | 18:08 |
| apachelogger | doesn't quite make sense to apachelogger | 18:08 |
| shadeslayer | steveire_: pong | 18:08 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: Kernel Panic! :O | 18:10 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: is that your tablet? | 18:10 |
| apachelogger | yeah, someone is trying to kill init :P | 18:10 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: yep | 18:10 |
| * shadeslayer hides 'killall' and pleads innocence | 18:11 | |
| * apachelogger starts thinking that for some reason natty executables cannot be run on the .29 kernel he has on the tablet | 18:11 | |
| JontheEchidna | woohoo, UDS arrangements are done | 18:12 |
| shadeslayer | JontheEchidna: sweet :) | 18:12 |
| shadeslayer | i'll be attending remotely | 18:12 |
| apachelogger | that reminds me that I should poke around for cheapish trains | 18:12 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: what do you think about http://i.imgur.com/G7dE1.jpg | 18:12 |
| apachelogger | in particular the line above the column'd ls and the error below "oi" | 18:13 |
| JontheEchidna | perhaps it's a path issue? | 18:14 |
| apachelogger | but how could it be a path issue if I am calling the executable using its absolute path | 18:15 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: maybe the executable has the path set statically? | 18:16 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: then the error would be different | 18:16 |
| apachelogger | I am calling | 18:16 |
| apachelogger | ${NEWROOT_PATH}${init} | 18:16 |
| apachelogger | which is the absolute path of the init | 18:16 |
| shadeslayer | no i mean, what if the init script has the path set statically | 18:16 |
| apachelogger | so it at least should start init and then fall over because it cannot do something | 18:17 |
| JontheEchidna | isn't it falling over inside init? | 18:17 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: you mean PATH? | 18:17 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: that is the init of initramfs | 18:17 |
| JontheEchidna | aah | 18:17 |
| apachelogger | which is supposed to launch the system's init | 18:17 |
| apachelogger | /sbin/init | 18:17 |
| JontheEchidna | I'm not an expert on this sort of thing | 18:18 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: yes | 18:18 |
| apachelogger | but that fails for some reason ... and is the only reason I currently cannot run natty on my tablet | 18:18 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: that would not have any affect | 18:18 |
| apachelogger | absolute paths are absolute :P | 18:18 |
| apachelogger | they have no relationship with PATH whatsoever | 18:18 |
| * apachelogger ponders launching a serial console over USB ^^ | 18:19 | |
| apachelogger | anyone ever done that? | 18:19 |
| apachelogger | I feel it is the ultimate nerd thing | 18:19 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: i've launched a serial console over WLAN | 18:20 |
| shadeslayer | never over USB tho | 18:20 |
| shadeslayer | ( adb can launch a shell over WLAN ) | 18:20 |
| apachelogger | adb? | 18:20 |
| shadeslayer | android debugger | 18:21 |
| apachelogger | ah, that old bugger | 18:21 |
| apachelogger | I dare saying it is not using serial console | 18:21 |
| shadeslayer | yeah android is getting weird on my phone | 18:21 |
| apachelogger | javaware does not use that sorta thing | 18:21 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: s/on my phone// | 18:21 |
| shadeslayer | heh | 18:21 |
| apachelogger | WARNING: switch_root removes recursively all files and directories on the current root filesystem. | 18:22 |
| apachelogger | zomg :D | 18:22 |
| shadeslayer | hahah | 18:22 |
| * apachelogger is this close to giving up and using maverick | 18:23 | |
| shadeslayer | oh | 18:23 |
| shadeslayer | OHHHH | 18:23 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: you haz android right? | 18:23 |
| apachelogger | well, right now I have a broken kernel :P | 18:23 |
| apachelogger | and I dunno why | 18:23 |
| apachelogger | exec switch_root $NEWROOT_PATH $init "$@" | 18:23 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: you should have bought the wetab | 18:23 |
| apachelogger | ^ either switch_root fails or the system init fails | 18:23 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: https://market.android.com/details?id=com.galoula.LinuxInstall&feature=search_result | 18:24 |
| * apachelogger thinks it is the latter, as launching an angstrom build works | 18:24 | |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: why is that? | 18:24 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: try installing ubuntu via that app | 18:24 |
| apachelogger | why? | 18:25 |
| shadeslayer | maybe it'll work, maybe it wont | 18:25 |
| * apachelogger blinks | 18:25 | |
| shadeslayer | maybe it'll eat your tablet thinking it's a cookie | 18:25 |
| JontheEchidna | Implementing USB in hardware is really quite complex. I'd doubt it'd be trivial to run a RS232-type serial connection over it. | 18:40 |
| JontheEchidna | though I guess that depends on how far away from the hardware you can get | 18:40 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: JontheEchidna: read this yet? http://ignore-your.tv/2011/04/13/anycast-the-loophole/ | 18:42 |
| JontheEchidna | shadeslayer: I had not seen that, thanks | 18:45 |
| apachelogger | swell | 18:54 |
| apachelogger | now it segfaults | 18:54 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna, shadeslayer: turns out upstart's init apparently needs libs provided by the initramfs | 18:55 |
| apachelogger | this is all very silly | 18:55 |
| shadeslayer | heh | 18:55 |
| JontheEchidna | lol | 18:55 |
| apachelogger | the thing is that something must have changed in init that is incredibly incompatbile with my current initramfs | 18:59 |
| apachelogger | as it is working with mav | 18:59 |
| shadeslayer | JontheEchidna: the rekonq bug that you just changed, is probably a rekonq bug, not a xorg bug :P | 19:03 |
| * shadeslayer is fairly sure it's caused by the new highlight tab patch | 19:03 | |
| JontheEchidna | shadeslayer: oh, ok. He said that it was fixed with newer xorg | 19:03 |
| shadeslayer | whut | 19:03 |
| * shadeslayer looks | 19:03 | |
| JontheEchidna | or at least that's what I got from what little info he gave | 19:04 |
| shadeslayer | i should probably upgrade as well ... but apt-get says it wants to fetch 1 GB of updates | 19:04 |
| apachelogger | right it is | 19:04 |
| JontheEchidna | he's getting his newer xorg from the edgers ppa, so upgrading from the normal repos probably wouldn't help | 19:05 |
| shadeslayer | hmm | 19:05 |
| * apachelogger wonders whether his problems could be from multilib stuffz | 19:06 | |
| * JontheEchidna goes off to play some BF 1942 | 19:07 | |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: you guys should discuss if we should build Qt with Clang @ UDS : | 19:11 |
| apachelogger | I do not think this is much of a topic until nokia drops a version of Qt that officially supports clang | 19:11 |
| shadeslayer | oh... maybe we can put it in the experimental repo, where people who want to use it can use it? | 19:12 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: doesn't that suffer from the very same problem?! | 19:12 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: well .. it'll be unofficially supported .. but yeah, not a strong topic for discussion at UDS | 19:13 |
| apachelogger | who will support it? :P | 19:13 |
| shadeslayer | moi | 19:13 |
| apachelogger | plus where will this who get it from if nokia does not release a version? | 19:14 |
| shadeslayer | ah yes ^^ | 19:14 |
| shadeslayer | that's what i'm afraid of :P | 19:14 |
| sabdfl | ooooh, clang is ready for qt? that's cool | 19:25 |
| apachelogger | sabdfl: t | 19:33 |
| apachelogger | eh | 19:33 |
| * apachelogger kicks the touchpad | 19:33 | |
| apachelogger | sabdfl: http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2010/10/29/compiling-qt-with-clang/ | 19:33 |
| apachelogger | for quite some time actually *shrug* | 19:33 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: I think someone does not want kubuntu to run on tablets | 19:35 |
| shadeslayer | hehe | 19:36 |
| shadeslayer | sabdfl: more like, the other way around :P | 19:36 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: it's a conspiracy :) | 19:36 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: or maybe both ways :P | 19:36 |
| apachelogger | great, now backlight is broken with my all new initramfs -.- | 19:37 |
| maco | apachelogger: what kind of a bot is kubottu? | 19:38 |
| apachelogger | a male bot | 19:39 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: plz go test phonon-vlc from gitz | 19:39 |
| apachelogger | maco: http://ruby-rbot.org/ | 19:39 |
| maco | apachelogger: thanks | 19:39 |
| shadeslayer | hehe | 19:40 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: kde:phonon-vlc? | 19:40 |
| apachelogger | aye | 19:40 |
| shadeslayer | cloning | 19:40 |
| apachelogger | and could someone please read all my mails and send me a summary? ^^ | 19:40 |
| shadeslayer | -- package 'libvlc' not found | 19:41 |
| shadeslayer | :'( | 19:41 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: i'm certain that today was a productive day for all since reddit was down | 19:42 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: oh Skynet took over AWS, we are doomed | 19:42 |
| apachelogger | lol | 19:42 |
| shadeslayer | we should start looking for a bunker | 19:43 |
| apachelogger | hm, I fear Riddell might want to rewrite KDE in python next year around this time ^^ | 19:43 |
| apachelogger | bzr \o/ | 19:43 |
| shadeslayer | There won't be a next year | 19:43 |
| shadeslayer | :P | 19:43 |
| apachelogger | my point exactly | 19:44 |
| yofel | please not, I don't want to by a new notebook that has 16G Memory in it... | 19:44 |
| shadeslayer | lol | 19:44 |
| yofel | evening btw. :) | 19:44 |
| * apachelogger will have to open up his laptop and tweak the cooling a bit | 19:44 | |
| apachelogger | so... | 19:44 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: apachelogger btw i found this out recently, python runs faster than Dbus updates it's states | 19:44 |
| apachelogger | I could prepare phonon vlc for release | 19:44 |
| yofel | :S | 19:45 |
| apachelogger | OR continue trying to figure out why the .29 kernel does not start natty | 19:45 |
| yofel | :O | 19:45 |
| apachelogger | OR try to make a newer kernel and hope for better luck | 19:45 |
| shadeslayer | i had to add a delay to make the dbus states update and then fetch values from it | 19:45 |
| apachelogger | OR get drunk | 19:45 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: evening | 19:45 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: dbus states? | 19:45 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: phonon-vlc works fine | 19:47 |
| apachelogger | more testing the world needs | 19:47 |
| shadeslayer | compiles fine as well | 19:48 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: yes dbus states | 19:48 |
| shadeslayer | well .. basically, the DBus queries lag behind the python script | 19:48 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: yofel https://github.com/GeneralMaximus/amazing-horse/blob/master/players/amarok.py#L32 | 19:49 |
| yofel | LOL | 19:49 |
| shadeslayer | :P | 19:50 |
| apachelogger | emit yawn(HippoYawn); | 19:50 |
| yofel | feels like timing sys-v-initscripts | 19:50 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: we tested it out with times ranging from 0.5s to 0.1 s | 19:50 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: I still do not compute | 19:51 |
| shadeslayer | and this was the ideal timeout that we could come up with | 19:51 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: okay i'll show you | 19:51 |
| yofel | someone fix dbus | 19:51 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: you mean someone fix IPC | 19:51 |
| yofel | right | 19:52 |
| shadeslayer | !status | 19:53 |
| ubottu | Sorry, I don't know anything about status | 19:53 |
| AmazingHorse56 | [Playing] "Still Night" by "Pretty Lights" from "Glowing In The Darkest Night" | 19:53 |
| yofel | hm, someone in #ubuntu+1 asks if s/he can install ubuntu using a floppy... I think I'll stay out of there for a while... | 19:53 |
| shadeslayer | @status | 19:53 |
| AmazingHorse56 | [Playing] "Still Night" by "Pretty Lights" from "Glowing In The Darkest Night" | 19:53 |
| shadeslayer | @next | 19:53 |
| AmazingHorse56 | [Paused] "Summer Fades" by "SONSOFDAY" from "Autumn Heart" | 19:53 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: ^^ | 19:53 |
| shadeslayer | it's actually playing on my system | 19:53 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: LOL | 19:53 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: now look | 19:54 |
| shadeslayer | @status | 19:54 |
| AmazingHorse56 | [Playing] "Summer Fades" by "SONSOFDAY" from "Autumn Heart" | 19:54 |
| shadeslayer | @next | 19:54 |
| AmazingHorse56 | [Paused] "Shining Bright Despite The Plight" by "Pretty Lights" from "Glowing In The Darkest Night" | 19:54 |
| shadeslayer | @status | 19:54 |
| shadeslayer | @status | 19:54 |
| AmazingHorse56 | [Playing] "Shining Bright Despite The Plight" by "Pretty Lights" from "Glowing In The Darkest Night" | 19:54 |
| shadeslayer | ^^ flood control :P | 19:54 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: what do I see? | 19:54 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: if i remove the timeout, the status gets updated after the script gets the state from DBus | 19:55 |
| shadeslayer | s/state/status | 19:55 |
| apachelogger | well | 19:55 |
| apachelogger | that has nothing to do with dbus really | 19:55 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: well... DBus lags behind python | 19:56 |
| apachelogger | no | 19:56 |
| apachelogger | that is bogus | 19:56 |
| shadeslayer | then? | 19:56 |
| apachelogger | the syncness of a dbus call is scoped to the excution of the call | 19:56 |
| apachelogger | meaning just because your call returned does not mean the other process actually did process it yet | 19:56 |
| shadeslayer | right, since this is a synchronous call, it should give me the current status | 19:56 |
| apachelogger | no | 19:57 |
| shadeslayer | 0.o | 19:57 |
| apachelogger | the call is sync | 19:57 |
| apachelogger | not the execution | 19:57 |
| shadeslayer | oh .. hmm | 19:57 |
| shadeslayer | true that | 19:57 |
| apachelogger | that is a common problem with concurrent systems | 19:57 |
| apachelogger | and in particular one of the reason why dbus got singals | 19:58 |
| apachelogger | supposedly mpris actually defines a signal trackChanged or somesuch | 19:58 |
| shadeslayer | yep | 19:58 |
| apachelogger | to which you should connect, and update your internal data regaridng the currently playing song | 19:58 |
| shadeslayer | hmm | 19:59 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: does connect work the same way in python as it does in C++ ? | 19:59 |
| apachelogger | *shrug* | 19:59 |
| apachelogger | QObject.connect possibly | 19:59 |
| shadeslayer | hmm | 19:59 |
| * apachelogger is not sure it will work with python dbus proxies though | 20:00 | |
| shadeslayer | i'll have a look at it tomorrow ... | 20:00 |
| apachelogger | what you will probably need to do is create a glib signal handler and connect your proxy to that (as the proxy is powerd by glib I suppose) | 20:01 |
| apachelogger | then within that handler emit a Qt signal or call the function you need called | 20:01 |
| shadeslayer | O_O | 20:01 |
| apachelogger | dbus in python is a beauty | 20:02 |
| apachelogger | and my tablet remained dark!!!!!!!! | 20:02 |
| apachelogger | in the name of kent beck | 20:02 |
| apachelogger | this is madness | 20:03 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: tried kicking it? | 20:03 |
| shadeslayer | :P | 20:03 |
| * apachelogger actually would not care using maverick if one could do flipping arm builds in a ppa | 20:03 | |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: thats planned isn't it? | 20:04 |
| shadeslayer | okay so i'll take up KDE PIM 4.4.11 | 20:05 |
| shadeslayer | seems trivial enough to be done in a couple of minutes | 20:05 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: I dunno | 20:06 |
| apachelogger | many things are planned, they barely ever arrive though :/ | 20:06 |
| apachelogger | at least one could not do it with OBS either | 20:06 |
| apachelogger | that at least makes me not feel held back | 20:06 |
| shadeslayer | hehe | 20:07 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: have you ever worked with OBS? | 20:07 |
| apachelogger | briefly for project-neon | 20:07 |
| shadeslayer | ah | 20:07 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: we are thinking of moving to OBS as well | 20:07 |
| apachelogger | ah, so you will ditch launchpad? | 20:07 |
| apachelogger | not a bad idea | 20:07 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: well .. if we want to go cross distro, we will need to switch to OBS | 20:08 |
| apachelogger | my point typed by you :P | 20:08 |
| shadeslayer | :) | 20:08 |
| shadeslayer | sadly debian does not have people to spare to maintain packages | 20:08 |
| * apachelogger gets grumpy over not booting tablet and decides to look for beer | 20:09 | |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: ScottK should we get KDE PIM 4.4.11.1 into natty archives? | 20:13 |
| shadeslayer | or distribute via PPA? | 20:13 |
| apachelogger | I believe jr was looking into it earlier | 20:15 |
| shadeslayer | 4.4.11.1 ? | 20:16 |
| shadeslayer | or 4.6 > | 20:16 |
| apachelogger | something with .11 definitely | 20:16 |
| shadeslayer | hmm | 20:16 |
| maco | apachelogger: did you write the bit that makes kubottu speak identi.ca or is that included? | 20:22 |
| apachelogger | possibly I made that | 20:22 |
| apachelogger | though since identi.ca has twitter api that was just s/twitter/identi.ca IIRC | 20:23 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: i've uploaded kdepim runtime to my ppa, kdepim will be done in a few minutes too | 20:32 |
| ScottK | shadeslayer: At this point I'd say natty-proposed/updates. | 20:43 |
| shadeslayer | hmm | 20:43 |
| ScottK | shadeslayer: A broader question is if we should update lucid/maverick too? | 20:49 |
| shadeslayer | i can't comment on lucid, but i will backport these to maverick | 20:50 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: 4.4.11.1? | 20:55 |
| shadeslayer | KDE PIM 4.4.11.1 | 20:55 |
| Riddell | groovy | 20:56 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Since we have a post-release microversion exception, I'd propose we just wait on pim. | 20:59 |
| Riddell | yes I agree | 20:59 |
| maco | Riddell: by the way, remember a couple weeks ago i said i was introducing a Friend to Kubuntu? she <3s Kubuntu Natty >>>>>> Ubuntu Hardy | 21:01 |
| shadeslayer | huh, i wonder why ksnapshot does not export to imgur | 21:09 |
| Riddell | maco: awooga | 21:10 |
| shadeslayer | sigh | 21:28 |
| shadeslayer | this sucks | 21:28 |
| shadeslayer | i keep resizing konsole and then i have to reboot my PC | 21:28 |
| yofel | use yakuake, that won't make you want to resize it | 21:29 |
| EagleScreen | does all kde3 apps have been dropped from the archive in natty? | 21:31 |
| yofel | I know that some were dropped, not sure if all | 21:33 |
| shadeslayer | i see kommander-kde3 | 21:34 |
| shadeslayer | which is a KDE 3 app | 21:34 |
| shadeslayer | but yeah alot of KDE 3 apps are gone | 21:34 |
| sabdfl | Riddell: exciting to read about your rotation, good choice | 21:36 |
| sabdfl | though I have *no* idea what else might be a "bit too different in their ui choices" ;-) | 21:36 |
| EagleScreen | kdbg 2.5.0-1 hs reached Debian testing, I supose it is too too late to have it in natty, will you upload it to the PPA? | 21:37 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: syn | 21:37 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: synack | 21:37 |
| apachelogger | ack | 21:37 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: I haz maverick on tablet | 21:37 |
| shadeslayer | sweet :D | 21:37 |
| apachelogger | touch is oddly defunct though :D | 21:37 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: what's the problem there? | 21:38 |
| apachelogger | clicking only works with two fingers | 21:38 |
| shadeslayer | O_O | 21:38 |
| apachelogger | must be because of multitouchability | 21:38 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: btw remember where you commited the code which added paste.ubuntu.com functionality to the pastebin plasmoid? | 21:38 |
| apachelogger | hammer time | 21:38 |
| apachelogger | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otCpCn0l4Wo | 21:38 |
| Riddell | thanks sabdfl :) | 21:38 |
| shadeslayer | uTouch doing fancy stuff maybe> | 21:39 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: utouch ought not be involved | 21:39 |
| apachelogger | certainly not on mav | 21:39 |
| apachelogger | probably evdev just needs some love | 21:39 |
| apachelogger | or maybe I should use tslib | 21:39 |
| EagleScreen | could you sync kdbg 2.5.0-1 from Debian testing to some Kubuntu PPA? | 21:39 |
| shadeslayer | EagleScreen: you could just wait and get it sync'd to updates i believe, seeing how it would have a lower regression | 21:40 |
| shadeslayer | *if* it's a new package i mean | 21:40 |
| yofel | that would be too late for natty though | 21:40 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: I suppose that would only be allowed iff our current version does not carry a delta | 21:41 |
| yofel | natty doesn't have a kdbg at all | 21:41 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: http://imgur.com/HgVQRl&rylG7 | 21:41 |
| shadeslayer | yerah | 21:41 |
| yofel | as the old one was kde3 | 21:41 |
| apachelogger | uh | 21:41 |
| apachelogger | sabdfl: master, master, look what we have done: http://imgur.com/HgVQRl&rylG7 :D :D | 21:41 |
| EagleScreen | i know, but kdbg 2.5.0-1 is kde4 | 21:41 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: OMG Wheres plasma mobile? | 21:41 |
| shadeslayer | hehe | 21:42 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: in mav we did not have a mobile seed | 21:42 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: you could just install plasma mobile you know | 21:42 |
| yofel | well, we could put kdbg into backports for natty probably | 21:42 |
| shadeslayer | like ontop of it | 21:42 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: why not updates? | 21:42 |
| sabdfl | want | 21:42 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: orly? | 21:42 |
| sabdfl | it | 21:42 |
| yofel | you should file a backport request as soon as it gets into oneiric though | 21:42 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: yarly :P | 21:42 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: how would you do that with a) a keyboard and b) a working touchscreen? :P | 21:43 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: not sure, I would count it as a backport by now, but I'm fine either way | 21:43 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: ssh into it | 21:43 |
| * yofel goes testbuilding kdbg in pbuilder | 21:43 | |
| apachelogger | actually fear not! apachelogger has a serial console over USB set up :D | 21:43 |
| shadeslayer | :o | 21:43 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: you got that working? | 21:43 |
| apachelogger | yes, I went to lands of ultimate nerddom | 21:43 |
| shadeslayer | you are the l33t h4x00r | 21:43 |
| shadeslayer | -0 | 21:43 |
| yofel | could go into updats though, right | 21:44 |
| * yofel delete bash completion for pbuilder, utterly broken | 21:44 | |
| shadeslayer | bash is woefully outdated | 21:46 |
| shadeslayer | use zsh! | 21:46 |
| yofel | nah, I would need a summer to set that up, so postponed | 21:47 |
| yofel | and I know the git completion locked zsh up all the time | 21:47 |
| shadeslayer | oh yeah | 21:48 |
| shadeslayer | activate the git plugin in zsh *only* if you have a SSD or similar | 21:48 |
| yofel | no, that wasn't the issue, it locked up zsh with 100% CPU, until I killed the shell | 21:51 |
| shadeslayer | 0.o | 21:52 |
| shadeslayer | hasn't happened to me | 21:52 |
| yofel | also, I need to figure out how to write completion plugins in zsh first before I switch | 21:52 |
| * apachelogger srsly needs a working natty on the tablet | 21:52 | |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: but why? | 21:53 |
| apachelogger | because the mobile stack on mav is rather old | 21:54 |
| yofel | are we going to update kaffeine in a PPA? | 21:55 |
| ScottK | Update in oneiric and backport probably makes more sense (PPA for now). | 21:55 |
| * yofel puts kdbg into ninjas | 21:57 | |
| bambee | good night | 22:35 |
| claydoh | Bug #768363 | 22:55 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 768363 in software-properties (Ubuntu) "Not able to change software origins" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/768363 | 22:55 |
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