[01:25] valorie: your edit on the wiki page got in [01:29] oh good [01:29] stupid wiki [01:49] good evening on an update for nattyi'm getting an error message on updating apport and apport-kde [01:52] jjesse-kubuntu: Known issue. Fix should be available on archive.ubuntu.com in about an hour. [01:53] awesome thanks ScottK [01:53] valorie: Sorry we won't get to see you again. I'll try to talk loud. [01:54] yeah bummer on that [01:55] is it too late for the fix for this: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=234564 [01:55] KDE bug 234564 in widget-devicenotifier "device manager popup in the middle of a screen" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] [01:59] I'll lay in some extra liquor so I can pretend I'm really there [05:00] Riddell: pin [05:00] g [05:33] claydoh: Upstream didn't push the change to KDE 4.6.x branch, so I'm not sure they think it's suitable. I'd vote ask debfx for an opinion. [06:18] bah, it still wants to remove my kde :( [06:25] Probably due to some random Qt pre-release snapshot you installed while on a trip. [06:26] ScottK: hahaahhhahahaha [06:26] no. [06:28] I'd try sudo apt-get dist-upgrade and see what it suggests. [06:28] http://paste.ubuntu.com/596797/ [06:29] jussi: Do you have kubuntu-desktop installed? [06:29] I see it. [06:29] yes [06:30] What happens if you do: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop? [06:31] http://paste.ubuntu.com/596799/ [06:34] jussi: How about aptitude why-not kubuntu-desktop (no sudo needed) [06:35] lol [06:35] jussi@squirrel:~$ aptitude why-not kubuntu-desktop [06:35] Unable to find a reason to remove kubuntu-desktop. [06:35] You may have to install aptitude depending on how recent the install is. [06:35] Ready to try something slightly scary? [06:35] sure! [06:36] Go ahead and upgrade and let it remove KDE, but whatever you do, don't restart the system. [06:36] Then install kubuntu-desktop again and see what happens. [06:36] ahh, ok. :) Ive got gnome also here, if somethign goes wrong ;) [06:38] Meh. Safety nets are for wimps. [06:38] As long as you don't restart the session, it'll be fine. [06:41] Of course maybe it'll break you network and then I can go to sleep. [06:41] ;-) [07:03] jussi: How'd it go? [07:14] ScottK: sorry, had to run for a sec. [07:15] (read: boss wanted me) [07:15] How do I pull from a remote in bzr? [07:17] ScottK: http://paste.ubuntu.com/596803/ [07:18] What does sudo apt-get install kdebase-workspace-bin do? [07:19] steveire: If it's on launchpad, it'll give you the command to copy/paste, bug generally it's bzr branch [url] [07:19] ScottK: I already have a local clone [07:19] http://paste.ubuntu.com/596804/ [07:19] bzr pull than [07:19] branch does a pull? [07:19] than/ten [07:19] Yes [07:20] http://paste.ubuntu.com/596805/ [07:20] ok, thanks [07:20] shadeslayer: ping? [07:21] jussi: Stale mirror. Point your sources.list at archive.ubuntu.com apt-get update and try again. [07:21] What you're seeing is archive skew between your amd64 stuff and arch all packages built on i386. [07:21] ahh [07:21] I checked, and it's actually built on all archs. [07:22] well then, wait one [07:22] Depends: kdelibs5-data (= 4:4.6.2-0ubuntu4) but 4:4.6.2-0ubuntu3 is to be installed was the key bit that told me that. [07:27] ScottK: seems to be installing now. thank you for all your help [07:28] You're welcome. [07:28] Pre-release it's really better to pull straight from archive.ubuntu.com to minimize problems like this. === yofel_ is now known as yofel [07:28] I think next time I do prerelea... was just saying that :D [07:28] Of course if you run i386, it never happens at all. [07:29] hehe [07:29] No, not kidding. [07:29] someone has to test the amd64 [07:29] I suppose. [07:29] IMO for desktop use amd64 is pain for not much gain. [07:29] I don't need any single processes bigger than 4gb, so PAE works very nicely for me. [07:30] ScottK: I assume you will be in budapest? [07:30] I'm planning on it. [07:31] excellent :) === c2tarun_ is now known as c2tarun [07:40] yofel: ping [07:41] hm? [07:42] yofel: can you please help me with this error http://paste.kde.org/16231/ [07:42] yofel: ohh... wait somebody just replied on #qt [07:43] I'll leave it to him then, haven't programmed much lately [08:03] morning [08:51] hola === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [08:51] Hello! [08:58] My quassel crashes whenever it tries to play a sound:-( [08:58] quassel, sound? === moonflux_ is now known as moonflux [10:54] kontact advisory man steveire: kdepim 4.4.11, do we want it? [11:03] I think so [11:11] steveire: hmm, there's a lot of new stuff in here [11:13] http://paste.kde.org/16603/ [11:31] You sure that's 4.4.x? usr/lib/kde4/imports/org/kde/Flap.qml [11:31] The Flap should be there until 4.6 at least [11:32] Along with the rest of the stuff. [11:37] steveire: it's the tar that allan uploaded but he hasn't verified it yet so he might have done something wrong [11:37] I'll wait until he verifies it [11:45] Yay! Tickets! [11:45] * Quintasan jumps around [11:55] Quintasan: ? [11:55] I just got my tickets emailed to me :P [11:56] :D [13:21] Natty beta 2. Just tested the screen saver, came back to the desktop and was told that KWin had crashed. Can someone else confirm? === allee-k is now known as allee-n [13:43] Riddell: You might send an email to him then [13:43] * Mamarok is unhappy with update still causing problems, it refuses to update grub correctly, stuck at grub-pc again and again [13:44] and there is no way to login with the previous kernel, I can't get to the grub menu with the shift key [13:46] so I am stuck, literally, as I can't update grub manually either, sudo update-grub after editing the config files in /etc/default/ is not responsive at all [13:48] * Mamarok tries again === steveire is now known as steveire_ [15:04] apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/16975/ [15:04] sorry for the delay [15:06] incidently if you have gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg installed but not gstreamer0.10-bad or fluendo plugin Amarok complains that it can't play MP3s but then does so anyway [15:09] cause amarok knows how to use completely mindwarped phonon interfaces in even more silly ways [15:10] Riddell: interestingly enough it also stopped working here :O [15:10] Riddell: are you sure it works with 4.4.x? [15:10] apachelogger: yes, works fine [15:22] Riddell: it would appear to me that packagekit is too dumb [15:24] it fills my heart with lulz [15:24] gstreamer|0.10|dragonplayer|MPEG-1 Layer 3 (MP3)|codec-audio/mpeg [15:24] no worky [15:24] gstreamer|0.10|dragonplayer|MPEG-1 Layer 3 (MP3)|decoder-audio/mpeg [15:24] worky [15:24] \o/ [15:26] yap yap, pkg does not handle the codec [15:32] Riddell: http://paste.kde.org/~phonon/17029/ [15:39] apachelogger: thowing into my ppa for testing [15:39] throwing [16:09] hmm.. amarok on natty seems to have a problem [16:09] I cannot play .wav files [16:14] apachelogger: phonon gstreamer works with that change === m4n1sh_ is now known as m4n1sh [16:19] txwikinger: send us a sample file [16:20] Riddell: it tries to load plugins but does not find the right one.. it looks for gsm [16:20] I could listen to the file with another player though [16:56] countdown now in http://www.kubuntu.org/ [17:08] Riddell: awesome :D [17:08] Riddell: can we get 4.5 now? :D [17:09] apachelogger: not sure, depends on the release team [17:09] kk [17:28] apachelogger: http://img689.imageshack.us/f/screen1rlr.png/ , an idea ? [17:29] all videos are blue, or red, or magenta as default... o_O [17:30] I have probably installed a gstreamer plugin for videos effects... I do not know .. [17:30] hahaha [17:30] rofl [17:30] bambee: my bet is that you messed with the video settings in dragon player and now your hue is messed up [17:33] apachelogger: there are no video settings in dragon player... (except contrast, luminosity, or aspect ratio etc...) [17:36] bambee: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/avatar/snapshot170.png [17:37] apachelogger: I already tested that... also I tried to restore defaults... nothing changes [17:37] * bambee tries again.... [17:37] in that case you probably broke something [17:38] bambee: you are on natty? [17:38] using gst? [17:38] yes [17:38] with gst [17:38] exactly [17:38] could not imagine what is causing it really [17:38] maybe check whether it also happens in kaffeine or bangarang [17:41] apachelogger: well, bangarang has exactly the same problem [17:42] so it's phonon :) [17:42] possibly 4.5 fixes it then [17:42] (or the gstreamer backend... I do not know) [17:42] more likely something is weird with your gstreamer though [17:43] phonon only sets the video's HSB on application request, so unless bangarang pointlessly tries to change the settings initially there is no way phonon could cause this [17:44] bambee: rm -rf .gstreamer-0.10/ [17:44] maybe that helps [17:54] apachelogger: no, it does not help :'( [17:54] If I remember... I have installed a gstreamer plugin required by dragon... and then all my videos were ugly [17:55] impossible to find the name :\ [17:55] possibly your video is just wrong encoded :P [17:55] or the gstreamer decoder is buggy [17:55] apachelogger: it works just fine with vlc [17:57] bambee: that does not mean that it is encoded correctly [17:57] well... the same video works on my laptop :) [17:57] with dragon [17:57] it does not on my desktop [17:58] it still can be any number of things [17:58] bambee: sudo apt-get install totem --no-install-recommends [17:58] try with totem [17:58] if it does not work there then it is definitely no phonon problem [18:00] apachelogger: it works fine with totem [18:00] fun [18:01] bambee: well, that does not make sense [18:01] apachelogger: I know [18:01] http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Debugging/Phonon [18:01] apachelogger: that's why I am asking to you :D [18:04] apachelogger: it works ... lool [18:04] I changed nothing... and it works o_O [18:04] wtf ? [18:05] I have just installed totem... it has probably changed something in gstreamer configuration... [18:05] not impossible but unlikely [18:06] totem uses only one module of gstreamer IIRc [18:06] the one that builds a pipeline automagically [18:07] http://i.imgur.com/G7dE1.jpg [18:08] who wants to try explaining this? [18:08] one ought to note the line above the column'd ls output [18:08] and then the error below "oi" [18:08] doesn't quite make sense to apachelogger [18:08] steveire_: pong [18:10] apachelogger: Kernel Panic! :O [18:10] apachelogger: is that your tablet? [18:10] yeah, someone is trying to kill init :P [18:10] shadeslayer: yep [18:11] * shadeslayer hides 'killall' and pleads innocence [18:11] * apachelogger starts thinking that for some reason natty executables cannot be run on the .29 kernel he has on the tablet [18:12] woohoo, UDS arrangements are done [18:12] JontheEchidna: sweet :) [18:12] i'll be attending remotely [18:12] that reminds me that I should poke around for cheapish trains [18:12] JontheEchidna: what do you think about http://i.imgur.com/G7dE1.jpg [18:13] in particular the line above the column'd ls and the error below "oi" [18:14] perhaps it's a path issue? [18:15] but how could it be a path issue if I am calling the executable using its absolute path [18:16] apachelogger: maybe the executable has the path set statically? [18:16] shadeslayer: then the error would be different [18:16] I am calling [18:16] ${NEWROOT_PATH}${init} [18:16] which is the absolute path of the init [18:16] no i mean, what if the init script has the path set statically [18:17] so it at least should start init and then fall over because it cannot do something [18:17] isn't it falling over inside init? [18:17] shadeslayer: you mean PATH? [18:17] JontheEchidna: that is the init of initramfs [18:17] aah [18:17] which is supposed to launch the system's init [18:17] /sbin/init [18:18] I'm not an expert on this sort of thing [18:18] apachelogger: yes [18:18] but that fails for some reason ... and is the only reason I currently cannot run natty on my tablet [18:18] shadeslayer: that would not have any affect [18:18] absolute paths are absolute :P [18:18] they have no relationship with PATH whatsoever [18:19] * apachelogger ponders launching a serial console over USB ^^ [18:19] anyone ever done that? [18:19] I feel it is the ultimate nerd thing [18:20] apachelogger: i've launched a serial console over WLAN [18:20] never over USB tho [18:20] ( adb can launch a shell over WLAN ) [18:20] adb? [18:21] android debugger [18:21] ah, that old bugger [18:21] I dare saying it is not using serial console [18:21] yeah android is getting weird on my phone [18:21] javaware does not use that sorta thing [18:21] shadeslayer: s/on my phone// [18:21] heh [18:22] WARNING: switch_root removes recursively all files and directories on the current root filesystem. [18:22] zomg :D [18:22] hahah [18:23] * apachelogger is this close to giving up and using maverick [18:23] oh [18:23] OHHHH [18:23] apachelogger: you haz android right? [18:23] well, right now I have a broken kernel :P [18:23] and I dunno why [18:23] exec switch_root $NEWROOT_PATH $init "$@" [18:23] apachelogger: you should have bought the wetab [18:23] ^ either switch_root fails or the system init fails [18:24] apachelogger: https://market.android.com/details?id=com.galoula.LinuxInstall&feature=search_result [18:24] * apachelogger thinks it is the latter, as launching an angstrom build works [18:24] shadeslayer: why is that? [18:24] apachelogger: try installing ubuntu via that app [18:25] why? [18:25] maybe it'll work, maybe it wont [18:25] * apachelogger blinks [18:25] maybe it'll eat your tablet thinking it's a cookie [18:40] Implementing USB in hardware is really quite complex. I'd doubt it'd be trivial to run a RS232-type serial connection over it. [18:40] though I guess that depends on how far away from the hardware you can get [18:42] apachelogger: JontheEchidna: read this yet? http://ignore-your.tv/2011/04/13/anycast-the-loophole/ [18:45] shadeslayer: I had not seen that, thanks [18:54] swell [18:54] now it segfaults [18:55] JontheEchidna, shadeslayer: turns out upstart's init apparently needs libs provided by the initramfs [18:55] this is all very silly [18:55] heh [18:55] lol [18:59] the thing is that something must have changed in init that is incredibly incompatbile with my current initramfs [18:59] as it is working with mav [19:03] JontheEchidna: the rekonq bug that you just changed, is probably a rekonq bug, not a xorg bug :P [19:03] * shadeslayer is fairly sure it's caused by the new highlight tab patch [19:03] shadeslayer: oh, ok. He said that it was fixed with newer xorg [19:03] whut [19:03] * shadeslayer looks [19:04] or at least that's what I got from what little info he gave [19:04] i should probably upgrade as well ... but apt-get says it wants to fetch 1 GB of updates [19:04] right it is [19:05] he's getting his newer xorg from the edgers ppa, so upgrading from the normal repos probably wouldn't help [19:05] hmm [19:06] * apachelogger wonders whether his problems could be from multilib stuffz [19:07] * JontheEchidna goes off to play some BF 1942 [19:11] apachelogger: you guys should discuss if we should build Qt with Clang @ UDS : [19:11] I do not think this is much of a topic until nokia drops a version of Qt that officially supports clang [19:12] oh... maybe we can put it in the experimental repo, where people who want to use it can use it? [19:12] shadeslayer: doesn't that suffer from the very same problem?! [19:13] apachelogger: well .. it'll be unofficially supported .. but yeah, not a strong topic for discussion at UDS [19:13] who will support it? :P [19:13] moi [19:14] plus where will this who get it from if nokia does not release a version? [19:14] ah yes ^^ [19:14] that's what i'm afraid of :P [19:25] ooooh, clang is ready for qt? that's cool [19:33] sabdfl: t [19:33] eh [19:33] * apachelogger kicks the touchpad [19:33] sabdfl: http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2010/10/29/compiling-qt-with-clang/ [19:33] for quite some time actually *shrug* [19:35] shadeslayer: I think someone does not want kubuntu to run on tablets [19:36] hehe [19:36] sabdfl: more like, the other way around :P [19:36] apachelogger: it's a conspiracy :) [19:36] shadeslayer: or maybe both ways :P [19:37] great, now backlight is broken with my all new initramfs -.- [19:38] apachelogger: what kind of a bot is kubottu? [19:39] a male bot [19:39] shadeslayer: plz go test phonon-vlc from gitz [19:39] maco: http://ruby-rbot.org/ [19:39] apachelogger: thanks [19:40] hehe [19:40] apachelogger: kde:phonon-vlc? [19:40] aye [19:40] cloning [19:40] and could someone please read all my mails and send me a summary? ^^ [19:41] -- package 'libvlc' not found [19:41] :'( [19:42] apachelogger: i'm certain that today was a productive day for all since reddit was down [19:42] apachelogger: oh Skynet took over AWS, we are doomed [19:42] lol [19:43] we should start looking for a bunker [19:43] hm, I fear Riddell might want to rewrite KDE in python next year around this time ^^ [19:43] bzr \o/ [19:43] There won't be a next year [19:43] :P [19:44] my point exactly [19:44] please not, I don't want to by a new notebook that has 16G Memory in it... [19:44] lol [19:44] evening btw. :) [19:44] * apachelogger will have to open up his laptop and tweak the cooling a bit [19:44] so... [19:44] yofel: apachelogger btw i found this out recently, python runs faster than Dbus updates it's states [19:44] I could prepare phonon vlc for release [19:45] :S [19:45] OR continue trying to figure out why the .29 kernel does not start natty [19:45] :O [19:45] OR try to make a newer kernel and hope for better luck [19:45] i had to add a delay to make the dbus states update and then fetch values from it [19:45] OR get drunk [19:45] yofel: evening [19:45] shadeslayer: dbus states? [19:47] apachelogger: phonon-vlc works fine [19:47] more testing the world needs [19:48] compiles fine as well [19:48] apachelogger: yes dbus states [19:48] well .. basically, the DBus queries lag behind the python script [19:49] apachelogger: yofel https://github.com/GeneralMaximus/amazing-horse/blob/master/players/amarok.py#L32 [19:49] LOL [19:50] :P [19:50] emit yawn(HippoYawn); [19:50] feels like timing sys-v-initscripts [19:50] yofel: we tested it out with times ranging from 0.5s to 0.1 s [19:51] shadeslayer: I still do not compute [19:51] and this was the ideal timeout that we could come up with [19:51] apachelogger: okay i'll show you [19:51] someone fix dbus [19:51] yofel: you mean someone fix IPC [19:52] right [19:53] !status [19:53] Sorry, I don't know anything about status [19:53] [Playing] "Still Night" by "Pretty Lights" from "Glowing In The Darkest Night" [19:53] hm, someone in #ubuntu+1 asks if s/he can install ubuntu using a floppy... I think I'll stay out of there for a while... [19:53] @status [19:53] [Playing] "Still Night" by "Pretty Lights" from "Glowing In The Darkest Night" [19:53] @next [19:53] [Paused] "Summer Fades" by "SONSOFDAY" from "Autumn Heart" [19:53] apachelogger: ^^ [19:53] it's actually playing on my system [19:53] yofel: LOL [19:54] apachelogger: now look [19:54] @status [19:54] [Playing] "Summer Fades" by "SONSOFDAY" from "Autumn Heart" [19:54] @next [19:54] [Paused] "Shining Bright Despite The Plight" by "Pretty Lights" from "Glowing In The Darkest Night" [19:54] @status [19:54] @status [19:54] [Playing] "Shining Bright Despite The Plight" by "Pretty Lights" from "Glowing In The Darkest Night" [19:54] ^^ flood control :P [19:54] shadeslayer: what do I see? [19:55] apachelogger: if i remove the timeout, the status gets updated after the script gets the state from DBus [19:55] s/state/status [19:55] well [19:55] that has nothing to do with dbus really [19:56] apachelogger: well... DBus lags behind python [19:56] no [19:56] that is bogus [19:56] then? [19:56] the syncness of a dbus call is scoped to the excution of the call [19:56] meaning just because your call returned does not mean the other process actually did process it yet [19:56] right, since this is a synchronous call, it should give me the current status [19:57] no [19:57] 0.o [19:57] the call is sync [19:57] not the execution [19:57] oh .. hmm [19:57] true that [19:57] that is a common problem with concurrent systems [19:58] and in particular one of the reason why dbus got singals [19:58] supposedly mpris actually defines a signal trackChanged or somesuch [19:58] yep [19:58] to which you should connect, and update your internal data regaridng the currently playing song [19:59] hmm [19:59] apachelogger: does connect work the same way in python as it does in C++ ? [19:59] *shrug* [19:59] QObject.connect possibly [19:59] hmm [20:00] * apachelogger is not sure it will work with python dbus proxies though [20:00] i'll have a look at it tomorrow ... [20:01] what you will probably need to do is create a glib signal handler and connect your proxy to that (as the proxy is powerd by glib I suppose) [20:01] then within that handler emit a Qt signal or call the function you need called [20:01] O_O [20:02] dbus in python is a beauty [20:02] and my tablet remained dark!!!!!!!! [20:02] in the name of kent beck [20:03] this is madness [20:03] apachelogger: tried kicking it? [20:03] :P [20:03] * apachelogger actually would not care using maverick if one could do flipping arm builds in a ppa [20:04] apachelogger: thats planned isn't it? [20:05] okay so i'll take up KDE PIM 4.4.11 [20:05] seems trivial enough to be done in a couple of minutes [20:06] shadeslayer: I dunno [20:06] many things are planned, they barely ever arrive though :/ [20:06] at least one could not do it with OBS either [20:06] that at least makes me not feel held back [20:07] hehe [20:07] apachelogger: have you ever worked with OBS? [20:07] briefly for project-neon [20:07] ah [20:07] apachelogger: we are thinking of moving to OBS as well [20:07] ah, so you will ditch launchpad? [20:07] not a bad idea [20:08] apachelogger: well .. if we want to go cross distro, we will need to switch to OBS [20:08] my point typed by you :P [20:08] :) [20:08] sadly debian does not have people to spare to maintain packages [20:09] * apachelogger gets grumpy over not booting tablet and decides to look for beer [20:13] apachelogger: ScottK should we get KDE PIM 4.4.11.1 into natty archives? [20:13] or distribute via PPA? [20:15] I believe jr was looking into it earlier [20:16] 4.4.11.1 ? [20:16] or 4.6 > [20:16] something with .11 definitely [20:16] hmm [20:22] apachelogger: did you write the bit that makes kubottu speak identi.ca or is that included? [20:22] possibly I made that [20:23] though since identi.ca has twitter api that was just s/twitter/identi.ca IIRC [20:32] Riddell: i've uploaded kdepim runtime to my ppa, kdepim will be done in a few minutes too [20:43] shadeslayer: At this point I'd say natty-proposed/updates. [20:43] hmm [20:49] shadeslayer: A broader question is if we should update lucid/maverick too? [20:50] i can't comment on lucid, but i will backport these to maverick [20:55] shadeslayer: 4.4.11.1? [20:55] KDE PIM 4.4.11.1 [20:56] groovy [20:59] Riddell: Since we have a post-release microversion exception, I'd propose we just wait on pim. [20:59] yes I agree [21:01] Riddell: by the way, remember a couple weeks ago i said i was introducing a Friend to Kubuntu? she <3s Kubuntu Natty >>>>>> Ubuntu Hardy [21:09] huh, i wonder why ksnapshot does not export to imgur [21:10] maco: awooga [21:28] sigh [21:28] this sucks [21:28] i keep resizing konsole and then i have to reboot my PC [21:29] use yakuake, that won't make you want to resize it [21:31] does all kde3 apps have been dropped from the archive in natty? [21:33] I know that some were dropped, not sure if all [21:34] i see kommander-kde3 [21:34] which is a KDE 3 app [21:34] but yeah alot of KDE 3 apps are gone [21:36] Riddell: exciting to read about your rotation, good choice [21:36] though I have *no* idea what else might be a "bit too different in their ui choices" ;-) [21:37] kdbg 2.5.0-1 hs reached Debian testing, I supose it is too too late to have it in natty, will you upload it to the PPA? [21:37] shadeslayer: syn [21:37] apachelogger: synack [21:37] ack [21:37] shadeslayer: I haz maverick on tablet [21:37] sweet :D [21:37] touch is oddly defunct though :D [21:38] apachelogger: what's the problem there? [21:38] clicking only works with two fingers [21:38] O_O [21:38] must be because of multitouchability [21:38] apachelogger: btw remember where you commited the code which added paste.ubuntu.com functionality to the pastebin plasmoid? [21:38] hammer time [21:38] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otCpCn0l4Wo [21:38] thanks sabdfl :) [21:39] uTouch doing fancy stuff maybe> [21:39] shadeslayer: utouch ought not be involved [21:39] certainly not on mav [21:39] probably evdev just needs some love [21:39] or maybe I should use tslib [21:39] could you sync kdbg 2.5.0-1 from Debian testing to some Kubuntu PPA? [21:40] EagleScreen: you could just wait and get it sync'd to updates i believe, seeing how it would have a lower regression [21:40] *if* it's a new package i mean [21:40] that would be too late for natty though [21:41] shadeslayer: I suppose that would only be allowed iff our current version does not carry a delta [21:41] natty doesn't have a kdbg at all [21:41] shadeslayer: http://imgur.com/HgVQRl&rylG7 [21:41] yerah [21:41] as the old one was kde3 [21:41] uh [21:41] sabdfl: master, master, look what we have done: http://imgur.com/HgVQRl&rylG7 :D :D [21:41] i know, but kdbg 2.5.0-1 is kde4 [21:41] apachelogger: OMG Wheres plasma mobile? [21:42] hehe [21:42] shadeslayer: in mav we did not have a mobile seed [21:42] apachelogger: you could just install plasma mobile you know [21:42] well, we could put kdbg into backports for natty probably [21:42] like ontop of it [21:42] yofel: why not updates? [21:42] want [21:42] shadeslayer: orly? [21:42] it [21:42] you should file a backport request as soon as it gets into oneiric though [21:42] apachelogger: yarly :P [21:43] shadeslayer: how would you do that with a) a keyboard and b) a working touchscreen? :P [21:43] shadeslayer: not sure, I would count it as a backport by now, but I'm fine either way [21:43] apachelogger: ssh into it [21:43] * yofel goes testbuilding kdbg in pbuilder [21:43] actually fear not! apachelogger has a serial console over USB set up :D [21:43] :o [21:43] apachelogger: you got that working? [21:43] yes, I went to lands of ultimate nerddom [21:43] you are the l33t h4x00r [21:43] -0 [21:44] could go into updats though, right [21:44] * yofel delete bash completion for pbuilder, utterly broken [21:46] bash is woefully outdated [21:46] use zsh! [21:47] nah, I would need a summer to set that up, so postponed [21:47] and I know the git completion locked zsh up all the time [21:48] oh yeah [21:48] activate the git plugin in zsh *only* if you have a SSD or similar [21:51] no, that wasn't the issue, it locked up zsh with 100% CPU, until I killed the shell [21:52] 0.o [21:52] hasn't happened to me [21:52] also, I need to figure out how to write completion plugins in zsh first before I switch [21:52] * apachelogger srsly needs a working natty on the tablet [21:53] apachelogger: but why? [21:54] because the mobile stack on mav is rather old [21:55] are we going to update kaffeine in a PPA? [21:55] Update in oneiric and backport probably makes more sense (PPA for now). [21:57] * yofel puts kdbg into ninjas [22:35] good night [22:55] Bug #768363 [22:55] Launchpad bug 768363 in software-properties (Ubuntu) "Not able to change software origins" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/768363