[01:25] <Riddell> valorie: your edit on the wiki page got in
[01:29] <valorie> oh good
[01:29] <valorie> stupid wiki
[01:49] <jjesse-kubuntu> good evening on an update for nattyi'm getting an error message on updating apport and apport-kde
[01:52] <ScottK> jjesse-kubuntu: Known issue.  Fix should be available on archive.ubuntu.com in about an hour.
[01:53] <jjesse-kubuntu> awesome thanks ScottK
[01:53] <ScottK> valorie: Sorry we won't get to see you again.  I'll try to talk loud.
[01:54] <jjesse-kubuntu> yeah bummer on that
[01:55] <claydoh> is it too late for the fix for this:  https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=234564
[01:59] <valorie> I'll lay in some extra liquor so I can pretend I'm really there
[05:00] <c2tarun> Riddell: pin
[05:00] <c2tarun> g
[05:33] <ScottK> claydoh: Upstream didn't push the change to KDE 4.6.x branch, so I'm not sure they think it's suitable.  I'd vote ask debfx for an opinion.
[06:18] <jussi> bah, it still wants to remove my kde :(
[06:25] <ScottK> Probably due to some random Qt pre-release snapshot you installed while on a trip.
[06:26] <jussi> ScottK: hahaahhhahahaha
[06:26] <jussi> no. 
[06:28] <ScottK> I'd try sudo apt-get dist-upgrade and see what it suggests.
[06:28] <jussi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/596797/
[06:29] <ScottK> jussi: Do you have kubuntu-desktop installed?
[06:29] <ScottK> I see it.
[06:29] <jussi> yes
[06:30] <ScottK> What happens if you do: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop?
[06:31] <jussi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/596799/
[06:34] <ScottK> jussi: How about aptitude why-not kubuntu-desktop (no sudo needed)
[06:35] <jussi> lol
[06:35] <jussi> jussi@squirrel:~$ aptitude why-not kubuntu-desktop
[06:35] <jussi> Unable to find a reason to remove kubuntu-desktop.
[06:35] <ScottK> You may have to install aptitude depending on how recent the install is.
[06:35] <ScottK> Ready to try something slightly scary?
[06:35] <jussi> sure!
[06:36] <ScottK> Go ahead and upgrade and let it remove KDE, but whatever you do, don't restart the system.
[06:36] <ScottK> Then install kubuntu-desktop again and see what happens.
[06:36] <jussi> ahh, ok. :) Ive got gnome also here, if somethign goes wrong ;)
[06:38] <ScottK> Meh. Safety nets are for wimps.
[06:38] <ScottK> As long as you don't restart the session, it'll be fine.
[06:41] <ScottK> Of course maybe it'll break you network and then I can go to sleep.
[06:41] <ScottK> ;-)
[07:03] <ScottK> jussi: How'd it go?
[07:14] <jussi> ScottK: sorry, had to run for a sec. 
[07:15] <jussi> (read: boss wanted me)
[07:15] <steveire> How do I pull from a remote in bzr?
[07:17] <jussi> ScottK: http://paste.ubuntu.com/596803/
[07:18] <ScottK> What does sudo apt-get install kdebase-workspace-bin do?
[07:19] <ScottK> steveire: If it's on launchpad, it'll give you the command to copy/paste, bug generally it's bzr branch [url]
[07:19] <steveire> ScottK: I already have a local clone
[07:19] <jussi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/596804/
[07:19] <ScottK> bzr pull than
[07:19] <steveire> branch does a pull?
[07:19] <ScottK> than/ten
[07:19] <ScottK> Yes
[07:20] <jussi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/596805/
[07:20] <steveire> ok, thanks
[07:20] <steveire> shadeslayer: ping?
[07:21] <ScottK> jussi: Stale mirror.  Point your sources.list at archive.ubuntu.com apt-get update and try again.
[07:21] <ScottK> What you're seeing is archive skew between your amd64 stuff and arch all packages built on i386. 
[07:21] <jussi> ahh
[07:21] <ScottK> I checked, and it's actually built on all archs.
[07:22] <jussi> well then, wait one
[07:22] <ScottK> Depends: kdelibs5-data (= 4:4.6.2-0ubuntu4) but 4:4.6.2-0ubuntu3 is to be installed was the key bit that told me that.
[07:27] <jussi> ScottK: seems to be installing now. thank you for all your help
[07:28] <ScottK> You're welcome.
[07:28] <ScottK> Pre-release it's really better to pull straight from archive.ubuntu.com to minimize problems like this.
[07:28] <jussi> I think next time I do prerelea... was just saying that :D
[07:28] <ScottK> Of course if you run i386, it never happens at all.
[07:29] <jussi> hehe
[07:29] <ScottK> No, not kidding.
[07:29] <jussi> someone has to test the amd64
[07:29] <ScottK> I suppose.
[07:29] <ScottK> IMO for desktop use amd64 is pain for not much gain.
[07:29] <ScottK> I don't need any single processes bigger than 4gb, so PAE works very nicely for me.
[07:30] <jussi> ScottK: I assume you will be in budapest? 
[07:30] <ScottK> I'm planning on it.
[07:31] <jussi> excellent :)
[07:40] <c2tarun> yofel: ping
[07:41] <yofel> hm?
[07:42] <c2tarun> yofel: can you please help me with this error http://paste.kde.org/16231/
[07:42] <c2tarun> yofel: ohh... wait somebody just replied on #qt
[07:43] <yofel> I'll leave it to him then, haven't programmed much lately
[08:03] <bambee> morning
[08:51] <Riddell> hola
[08:51] <Quintasan> Hello!
[08:58] <hunger> My quassel crashes whenever it tries to play a sound:-(
[08:58] <Tm_T> quassel, sound?
[10:54] <Riddell> kontact advisory man steveire: kdepim 4.4.11, do we want it?
[11:03] <steveire> I think so
[11:11] <Riddell> steveire: hmm, there's a lot of new stuff in here
[11:13] <Riddell> http://paste.kde.org/16603/
[11:31] <steveire> You sure that's 4.4.x? usr/lib/kde4/imports/org/kde/Flap.qml
[11:31] <steveire> The Flap should be there until 4.6 at least
[11:32] <steveire> Along with the rest of the stuff.
[11:37] <Riddell> steveire: it's the tar that allan uploaded but he hasn't verified it yet so he might have done something wrong
[11:37] <Riddell> I'll wait until he verifies it
[11:45] <Quintasan> Yay! Tickets!
[11:45]  * Quintasan jumps around
[11:55] <jussi> Quintasan: ? 
[11:55] <Quintasan> I just got my tickets emailed  to me :P
[11:56] <jussi> :D
[13:21] <mfraz74> Natty beta 2. Just tested the screen saver, came back to the desktop and was told that KWin had crashed. Can someone else confirm?
[13:43] <steveire> Riddell: You might send an email to him then
[13:43]  * Mamarok is unhappy with update still causing problems, it refuses to update grub correctly, stuck at grub-pc again and again
[13:44] <Mamarok> and there is no way to login with the previous kernel, I can't get to the grub menu with the shift key
[13:46] <Mamarok> so I am stuck, literally, as I can't update grub manually either, sudo update-grub after editing the config files in /etc/default/ is not responsive at all
[13:48]  * Mamarok tries again
[15:04] <Riddell> apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/16975/
[15:04] <Riddell> sorry for the delay
[15:06] <Riddell> incidently if you have gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg installed but not gstreamer0.10-bad or fluendo plugin Amarok complains that it can't play MP3s but then does so anyway
[15:09] <apachelogger> cause amarok knows how to use completely mindwarped phonon interfaces in even more silly ways
[15:10] <apachelogger> Riddell: interestingly enough it also stopped working here :O
[15:10] <apachelogger> Riddell: are you sure it works with 4.4.x?
[15:10] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes, works fine
[15:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: it would appear to me that packagekit is too dumb
[15:24] <apachelogger> it fills my heart with lulz
[15:24] <apachelogger> gstreamer|0.10|dragonplayer|MPEG-1 Layer 3 (MP3)|codec-audio/mpeg
[15:24] <apachelogger> no worky
[15:24] <apachelogger> gstreamer|0.10|dragonplayer|MPEG-1 Layer 3 (MP3)|decoder-audio/mpeg
[15:24] <apachelogger> worky
[15:24] <apachelogger> \o/
[15:26] <apachelogger> yap yap, pkg does not handle the codec
[15:32] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://paste.kde.org/~phonon/17029/
[15:39] <Riddell> apachelogger: thowing into my ppa for testing
[15:39] <Riddell> throwing
[16:09] <txwikinger> hmm.. amarok on natty seems to have a problem
[16:09] <txwikinger> I cannot play .wav files
[16:14] <Riddell> apachelogger: phonon gstreamer works with that change
[16:19] <Riddell> txwikinger: send us a sample file
[16:20] <txwikinger> Riddell: it tries to load plugins but does not find the right one.. it looks for gsm
[16:20] <txwikinger> I could listen to the file with another player though
[16:56] <Riddell> countdown now in http://www.kubuntu.org/
[17:08] <apachelogger> Riddell: awesome :D
[17:08] <apachelogger> Riddell: can we get 4.5 now? :D
[17:09] <Riddell> apachelogger: not sure, depends on the release team
[17:09] <apachelogger> kk
[17:28] <bambee> apachelogger: http://img689.imageshack.us/f/screen1rlr.png/  , an idea ? 
[17:29] <bambee> all videos are blue, or red, or magenta as default... o_O
[17:30] <bambee> I have probably installed a gstreamer plugin for videos effects... I do not know ..
[17:30] <apachelogger> hahaha
[17:30] <apachelogger> rofl
[17:30] <apachelogger> bambee: my bet is that you messed with the video settings in dragon player and now your hue is messed up
[17:33] <bambee> apachelogger: there are no video settings in dragon player... (except contrast, luminosity, or aspect ratio etc...)
[17:36] <apachelogger> bambee: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/avatar/snapshot170.png
[17:37] <bambee> apachelogger: I already tested that... also I tried to restore defaults... nothing changes
[17:37]  * bambee tries again....
[17:37] <apachelogger> in that case you probably broke something
[17:38] <apachelogger> bambee: you are on natty?
[17:38] <apachelogger> using gst?
[17:38] <bambee> yes
[17:38] <bambee> with gst
[17:38] <bambee> exactly
[17:38] <apachelogger> could not imagine what is causing it really
[17:38] <apachelogger> maybe check whether it also happens in kaffeine or bangarang
[17:41] <bambee> apachelogger: well, bangarang has exactly the same problem
[17:42] <bambee> so it's phonon :)
[17:42] <apachelogger> possibly 4.5 fixes it then
[17:42] <bambee> (or the gstreamer backend... I do not know)
[17:42] <apachelogger> more likely something is weird with your gstreamer though
[17:43] <apachelogger> phonon only sets the video's HSB on application request, so unless bangarang pointlessly tries to change the settings initially there is no way phonon could cause this
[17:44] <apachelogger> bambee: rm -rf .gstreamer-0.10/
[17:44] <apachelogger> maybe that helps
[17:54] <bambee> apachelogger: no, it does not help :'(
[17:54] <bambee> If I remember... I have installed a gstreamer plugin required by dragon... and then all my videos were ugly
[17:55] <bambee> impossible to find the name :\
[17:55] <apachelogger> possibly your video is just wrong encoded :P
[17:55] <apachelogger> or the gstreamer decoder is buggy
[17:55] <bambee> apachelogger: it works just fine with vlc
[17:57] <apachelogger> bambee: that does not mean that it is encoded correctly
[17:57] <bambee> well... the same video works on my laptop :)
[17:57] <bambee> with dragon
[17:57] <bambee> it does not on my desktop
[17:58] <apachelogger> it still can be any number of things
[17:58] <apachelogger> bambee: sudo apt-get install totem --no-install-recommends
[17:58] <apachelogger> try with totem
[17:58] <apachelogger> if it does not work there then it is definitely no phonon problem
[18:00] <bambee> apachelogger: it works fine with totem
[18:00] <apachelogger> fun
[18:01] <apachelogger> bambee: well, that does not make sense
[18:01] <bambee> apachelogger: I know
[18:01] <apachelogger> http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Debugging/Phonon
[18:01] <bambee> apachelogger: that's why I am asking to you :D
[18:04] <bambee> apachelogger: it works ... lool
[18:04] <bambee> I changed nothing... and it works o_O
[18:04] <bambee> wtf ?
[18:05] <bambee> I have just installed totem... it has probably changed something in gstreamer configuration...
[18:05] <apachelogger> not impossible but unlikely
[18:06] <apachelogger> totem uses only one module of gstreamer IIRc
[18:06] <apachelogger> the one that builds a pipeline automagically
[18:07] <apachelogger> http://i.imgur.com/G7dE1.jpg
[18:08] <apachelogger> who wants to try explaining this?
[18:08] <apachelogger> one ought to note the line above the column'd ls output
[18:08] <apachelogger> and then the error below "oi"
[18:08] <apachelogger> doesn't quite make sense to apachelogger
[18:08] <shadeslayer> steveire_: pong
[18:10] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: Kernel Panic! :O
[18:10] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: is that your tablet?
[18:10] <apachelogger> yeah, someone is trying to kill init :P
[18:10] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: yep
[18:11]  * shadeslayer hides 'killall' and pleads innocence
[18:11]  * apachelogger starts thinking that for some reason natty executables cannot be run on the .29 kernel he has on the tablet
[18:12] <JontheEchidna> woohoo, UDS arrangements are done
[18:12] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: sweet :)
[18:12] <shadeslayer> i'll be attending remotely
[18:12] <apachelogger> that reminds me that I should poke around for cheapish trains
[18:12] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: what do you think about http://i.imgur.com/G7dE1.jpg
[18:13] <apachelogger> in particular the line above the column'd ls and the error below "oi"
[18:14] <JontheEchidna> perhaps it's a path issue?
[18:15] <apachelogger> but how could it be a path issue if I am calling the executable using its absolute path
[18:16] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: maybe the executable has the path set statically?
[18:16] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: then the error would be different
[18:16] <apachelogger> I am calling
[18:16] <apachelogger> ${NEWROOT_PATH}${init}
[18:16] <apachelogger> which is the absolute path of the init
[18:16] <shadeslayer> no i mean, what if the init script has the path set statically
[18:17] <apachelogger> so it at least should start init and then fall over because it cannot do something
[18:17] <JontheEchidna> isn't it falling over inside init?
[18:17] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you mean PATH?
[18:17] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: that is the init of initramfs
[18:17] <JontheEchidna> aah
[18:17] <apachelogger> which is supposed to launch the system's init
[18:17] <apachelogger> /sbin/init
[18:18] <JontheEchidna> I'm not an expert on this sort of thing
[18:18] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yes
[18:18] <apachelogger> but that fails for some reason ... and is the only reason I currently cannot run natty on my tablet
[18:18] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that would not have any affect
[18:18] <apachelogger> absolute paths are absolute :P
[18:18] <apachelogger> they have no relationship with PATH whatsoever
[18:19]  * apachelogger ponders launching a serial console over USB ^^
[18:19] <apachelogger> anyone ever done that?
[18:19] <apachelogger> I feel it is the ultimate nerd thing
[18:20] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i've launched a serial console over WLAN
[18:20] <shadeslayer> never over USB tho
[18:20] <shadeslayer> ( adb can launch a shell over WLAN )
[18:20] <apachelogger> adb?
[18:21] <shadeslayer> android debugger
[18:21] <apachelogger> ah, that old bugger
[18:21] <apachelogger> I dare saying it is not using serial console
[18:21] <shadeslayer> yeah android is getting weird on my phone
[18:21] <apachelogger> javaware does not use that sorta thing
[18:21] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: s/on my phone//
[18:21] <shadeslayer> heh
[18:22] <apachelogger> WARNING: switch_root removes recursively all files and directories on the current root filesystem.
[18:22] <apachelogger> zomg :D
[18:22] <shadeslayer> hahah
[18:23]  * apachelogger is this close to giving up and using maverick
[18:23] <shadeslayer> oh
[18:23] <shadeslayer> OHHHH
[18:23] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: you haz android right?
[18:23] <apachelogger> well, right now I have a broken kernel :P
[18:23] <apachelogger> and I dunno why
[18:23] <apachelogger> exec switch_root $NEWROOT_PATH $init "$@"
[18:23] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: you should have bought the wetab
[18:23] <apachelogger> ^ either switch_root fails or the system init fails
[18:24] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: https://market.android.com/details?id=com.galoula.LinuxInstall&feature=search_result
[18:24]  * apachelogger thinks it is the latter, as launching an angstrom build works
[18:24] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: why is that?
[18:24] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: try installing ubuntu via that app
[18:25] <apachelogger> why?
[18:25] <shadeslayer> maybe it'll work, maybe it wont
[18:25]  * apachelogger blinks
[18:25] <shadeslayer> maybe it'll eat your tablet thinking it's a cookie
[18:40] <JontheEchidna> Implementing USB in hardware is really quite complex. I'd doubt it'd be trivial to run a RS232-type serial connection over it.
[18:40] <JontheEchidna> though I guess that depends on how far away from the hardware you can get
[18:42] <shadeslayer> apachelogger:  JontheEchidna: read this yet? http://ignore-your.tv/2011/04/13/anycast-the-loophole/
[18:45] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: I had not seen that, thanks
[18:54] <apachelogger> swell
[18:54] <apachelogger> now it segfaults
[18:55] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna, shadeslayer: turns out upstart's init apparently needs libs provided by the initramfs
[18:55] <apachelogger> this is all very silly
[18:55] <shadeslayer> heh
[18:55] <JontheEchidna> lol
[18:59] <apachelogger> the thing is that something must have changed in init that is incredibly incompatbile with my current initramfs 
[18:59] <apachelogger> as it is working with mav
[19:03] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: the rekonq bug that you just changed, is probably a rekonq bug, not a xorg bug :P
[19:03]  * shadeslayer is fairly sure it's caused by the new highlight tab patch
[19:03] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: oh, ok. He said that it was fixed with newer xorg
[19:03] <shadeslayer> whut
[19:03]  * shadeslayer looks
[19:04] <JontheEchidna> or at least that's what I got from what little info he gave
[19:04] <shadeslayer> i should probably upgrade as well ... but apt-get says it wants to fetch 1 GB of updates
[19:04] <apachelogger> right it is
[19:05] <JontheEchidna> he's getting his newer xorg from the edgers ppa, so upgrading from the normal repos probably wouldn't help
[19:05] <shadeslayer> hmm
[19:06]  * apachelogger wonders whether his problems could be from multilib stuffz
[19:07]  * JontheEchidna goes off to play some BF 1942
[19:11] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: you guys should discuss if we should build Qt with Clang @ UDS :
[19:11] <apachelogger> I do not think this is much of a topic until nokia drops a version of Qt that officially supports clang 
[19:12] <shadeslayer> oh... maybe we can put it in the experimental repo, where people who want to use it can use it?
[19:12] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: doesn't that suffer from the very same problem?!
[19:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: well .. it'll be unofficially supported .. but yeah, not a strong topic for discussion at UDS
[19:13] <apachelogger> who will support it? :P
[19:13] <shadeslayer> moi
[19:14] <apachelogger> plus where will this who get it from if nokia does not release a version?
[19:14] <shadeslayer> ah yes ^^ 
[19:14] <shadeslayer> that's what i'm afraid of :P
[19:25] <sabdfl> ooooh, clang is ready for qt? that's cool
[19:33] <apachelogger> sabdfl: t
[19:33] <apachelogger> eh
[19:33]  * apachelogger kicks the touchpad
[19:33] <apachelogger> sabdfl: http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2010/10/29/compiling-qt-with-clang/
[19:33] <apachelogger> for quite some time actually *shrug*
[19:35] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I think someone does not want kubuntu to run on tablets
[19:36] <shadeslayer> hehe
[19:36] <shadeslayer> sabdfl: more like, the other way around :P
[19:36] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: it's a conspiracy :)
[19:36] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: or maybe both ways :P
[19:37] <apachelogger> great, now backlight is broken with my all new initramfs -.-
[19:38] <maco> apachelogger: what kind of a bot is kubottu?
[19:39] <apachelogger> a male bot
[19:39] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: plz go test phonon-vlc from gitz
[19:39] <apachelogger> maco: http://ruby-rbot.org/
[19:39] <maco> apachelogger: thanks
[19:40] <shadeslayer> hehe
[19:40] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: kde:phonon-vlc?
[19:40] <apachelogger> aye
[19:40] <shadeslayer> cloning
[19:40] <apachelogger> and could someone please read all my mails and send me a summary? ^^
[19:41] <shadeslayer> --   package 'libvlc' not found
[19:41] <shadeslayer> :'(
[19:42] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i'm certain that today was a productive day for all since reddit was down
[19:42] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: oh Skynet took over AWS, we are doomed
[19:42] <apachelogger> lol
[19:43] <shadeslayer> we should start looking for a bunker
[19:43] <apachelogger> hm, I fear Riddell might want to rewrite KDE in python next year around this time ^^
[19:43] <apachelogger> bzr \o/
[19:43] <shadeslayer> There won't be a next year
[19:43] <shadeslayer> :P
[19:44] <apachelogger> my point exactly
[19:44] <yofel> please not, I don't want to by a new notebook that has 16G Memory in it...
[19:44] <shadeslayer> lol
[19:44] <yofel> evening btw. :)
[19:44]  * apachelogger will have to open up his laptop and tweak the cooling a bit
[19:44] <apachelogger> so...
[19:44] <shadeslayer> yofel: apachelogger btw i found this out recently, python runs faster than Dbus updates it's states
[19:44] <apachelogger> I could prepare phonon vlc for release
[19:45] <yofel> :S
[19:45] <apachelogger> OR continue trying to figure out why the .29 kernel does not start natty
[19:45] <yofel> :O
[19:45] <apachelogger> OR try to make a newer kernel and hope for better luck
[19:45] <shadeslayer> i had to add a delay to make the dbus states update and then fetch values from it
[19:45] <apachelogger> OR get drunk
[19:45] <shadeslayer> yofel: evening
[19:45] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: dbus states?
[19:47] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: phonon-vlc works fine
[19:47] <apachelogger> more testing the world needs
[19:48] <shadeslayer> compiles fine as well
[19:48] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yes dbus states
[19:48] <shadeslayer> well .. basically, the DBus queries lag behind the python script
[19:49] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yofel https://github.com/GeneralMaximus/amazing-horse/blob/master/players/amarok.py#L32
[19:49] <yofel> LOL
[19:50] <shadeslayer> :P
[19:50] <apachelogger> emit yawn(HippoYawn);
[19:50] <yofel> feels like timing sys-v-initscripts
[19:50] <shadeslayer> yofel: we tested it out with times ranging from 0.5s to 0.1 s
[19:51] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I still do not compute
[19:51] <shadeslayer> and this was the ideal timeout that we could come up with
[19:51] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: okay i'll show you
[19:51] <yofel> someone fix dbus
[19:51] <shadeslayer> yofel: you mean someone fix IPC
[19:52] <yofel> right
[19:53] <shadeslayer> !status
[19:53] <AmazingHorse56> [Playing] "Still Night" by "Pretty Lights" from "Glowing In The Darkest Night"
[19:53] <yofel> hm, someone in #ubuntu+1 asks if s/he can install ubuntu using a floppy... I think I'll stay out of there for a while...
[19:53] <shadeslayer> @status
[19:53] <AmazingHorse56> [Playing] "Still Night" by "Pretty Lights" from "Glowing In The Darkest Night"
[19:53] <shadeslayer> @next
[19:53] <AmazingHorse56> [Paused] "Summer Fades" by "SONSOFDAY" from "Autumn Heart"
[19:53] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ^^
[19:53] <shadeslayer> it's actually playing on my system
[19:53] <shadeslayer> yofel: LOL
[19:54] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: now look
[19:54] <shadeslayer> @status
[19:54] <AmazingHorse56> [Playing] "Summer Fades" by "SONSOFDAY" from "Autumn Heart"
[19:54] <shadeslayer> @next
[19:54] <AmazingHorse56> [Paused] "Shining Bright Despite The Plight" by "Pretty Lights" from "Glowing In The Darkest Night"
[19:54] <shadeslayer> @status
[19:54] <shadeslayer> @status
[19:54] <AmazingHorse56> [Playing] "Shining Bright Despite The Plight" by "Pretty Lights" from "Glowing In The Darkest Night"
[19:54] <shadeslayer> ^^ flood control :P
[19:54] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: what do I see?
[19:55] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: if i remove the timeout, the status gets updated after the script gets the state from DBus
[19:55] <shadeslayer> s/state/status
[19:55] <apachelogger> well
[19:55] <apachelogger> that has nothing to do with dbus really
[19:56] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: well... DBus lags behind python
[19:56] <apachelogger> no
[19:56] <apachelogger> that is bogus
[19:56] <shadeslayer> then?
[19:56] <apachelogger> the syncness of a dbus call is scoped to the excution of the call
[19:56] <apachelogger> meaning just because your call returned does not mean the other process actually did process it yet
[19:56] <shadeslayer> right, since this is a synchronous call, it should give me the current status
[19:57] <apachelogger> no
[19:57] <shadeslayer> 0.o
[19:57] <apachelogger> the call is sync
[19:57] <apachelogger> not the execution
[19:57] <shadeslayer> oh .. hmm 
[19:57] <shadeslayer> true that
[19:57] <apachelogger> that is a common problem with concurrent systems
[19:58] <apachelogger> and in particular one of the reason why dbus got singals
[19:58] <apachelogger> supposedly mpris actually defines a signal trackChanged or somesuch
[19:58] <shadeslayer> yep
[19:58] <apachelogger> to which you should connect, and update your internal data regaridng the currently playing song
[19:59] <shadeslayer> hmm
[19:59] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: does connect work the same way in python as it does in C++ ?
[19:59] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[19:59] <apachelogger> QObject.connect possibly
[19:59] <shadeslayer> hmm 
[20:00]  * apachelogger is not sure it will work with python dbus proxies though
[20:00] <shadeslayer> i'll have a look at it tomorrow ...
[20:01] <apachelogger> what you will probably need to do is create a glib signal handler and connect your proxy to that (as the proxy is powerd by glib I suppose)
[20:01] <apachelogger> then within that handler emit a Qt signal or call the function you need called
[20:01] <shadeslayer> O_O
[20:02] <apachelogger> dbus in python is a beauty
[20:02] <apachelogger> and my tablet remained dark!!!!!!!!
[20:02] <apachelogger> in the name of kent beck
[20:03] <apachelogger> this is madness
[20:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: tried kicking it?
[20:03] <shadeslayer> :P
[20:03]  * apachelogger actually would not care using maverick if one could do flipping arm builds in a ppa
[20:04] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: thats planned isn't it?
[20:05] <shadeslayer> okay so i'll take up KDE PIM 4.4.11
[20:05] <shadeslayer> seems trivial enough to be done in a couple of minutes
[20:06] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I dunno
[20:06] <apachelogger> many things are planned, they barely ever arrive though :/
[20:06] <apachelogger> at least one could not do it with OBS either
[20:06] <apachelogger> that at least makes me not feel held back
[20:07] <shadeslayer> hehe
[20:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: have you ever worked with OBS?
[20:07] <apachelogger> briefly for project-neon
[20:07] <shadeslayer> ah
[20:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: we are thinking of moving to OBS as well
[20:07] <apachelogger> ah, so you will ditch launchpad?
[20:07] <apachelogger> not a bad idea
[20:08] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: well .. if we want to go cross distro, we will need to switch to OBS
[20:08] <apachelogger> my point typed by you :P
[20:08] <shadeslayer> :)
[20:08] <shadeslayer> sadly debian does not have people to spare to maintain packages
[20:09]  * apachelogger gets grumpy over not booting tablet and decides to look for beer
[20:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ScottK should we get KDE PIM 4.4.11.1 into natty archives?
[20:13] <shadeslayer> or distribute via PPA?
[20:15] <apachelogger> I believe jr was looking into it earlier
[20:16] <shadeslayer> 4.4.11.1 ?
[20:16] <shadeslayer> or 4.6 >
[20:16] <apachelogger> something with .11 definitely
[20:16] <shadeslayer> hmm
[20:22] <maco> apachelogger: did you write the bit that makes kubottu speak identi.ca or is that included?
[20:22] <apachelogger> possibly I made that
[20:23] <apachelogger> though since identi.ca has twitter api that was just s/twitter/identi.ca IIRC
[20:32] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i've uploaded kdepim runtime to my ppa, kdepim will be done in a few minutes too
[20:43] <ScottK> shadeslayer: At this point I'd say natty-proposed/updates.
[20:43] <shadeslayer> hmm
[20:49] <ScottK> shadeslayer: A broader question is if we should update lucid/maverick too?
[20:50] <shadeslayer> i can't comment on lucid, but i will backport these to maverick
[20:55] <Riddell> shadeslayer: 4.4.11.1?
[20:55] <shadeslayer> KDE PIM 4.4.11.1
[20:56] <Riddell> groovy
[20:59] <ScottK> Riddell: Since we have a post-release microversion exception, I'd propose we just wait on pim.
[20:59] <Riddell> yes I agree
[21:01] <maco> Riddell: by the way, remember a couple weeks ago i said i was introducing a Friend to Kubuntu?  she <3s Kubuntu Natty  >>>>>> Ubuntu Hardy
[21:09] <shadeslayer> huh, i wonder why ksnapshot does not export to imgur
[21:10] <Riddell> maco: awooga
[21:28] <shadeslayer> sigh
[21:28] <shadeslayer> this sucks
[21:28] <shadeslayer> i keep resizing konsole and then i have to reboot my PC
[21:29] <yofel> use yakuake, that won't make you want to resize it
[21:31] <EagleScreen> does all kde3 apps have been dropped from the archive in natty?
[21:33] <yofel> I know that some were dropped, not sure if all
[21:34] <shadeslayer> i see kommander-kde3
[21:34] <shadeslayer> which is a KDE 3 app
[21:34] <shadeslayer> but yeah alot of KDE 3 apps are gone
[21:36] <sabdfl> Riddell: exciting to read about your rotation, good choice
[21:36] <sabdfl> though I have *no* idea what else might be a "bit too different in their ui choices" ;-)
[21:37] <EagleScreen> kdbg 2.5.0-1 hs reached Debian testing, I supose it is too too late to have it in natty, will you upload it to the PPA?
[21:37] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: syn
[21:37] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: synack
[21:37] <apachelogger> ack
[21:37] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I haz maverick on tablet
[21:37] <shadeslayer> sweet :D
[21:37] <apachelogger> touch is oddly defunct though :D
[21:38] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: what's the problem there?
[21:38] <apachelogger> clicking only works with two fingers
[21:38] <shadeslayer> O_O
[21:38] <apachelogger> must be because of multitouchability
[21:38] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: btw remember where you commited the code which added paste.ubuntu.com functionality to the pastebin plasmoid?
[21:38] <apachelogger> hammer time 
[21:38] <apachelogger> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otCpCn0l4Wo
[21:38] <Riddell> thanks sabdfl :)
[21:39] <shadeslayer> uTouch doing fancy stuff maybe>
[21:39] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: utouch ought not be involved 
[21:39] <apachelogger> certainly not on mav
[21:39] <apachelogger> probably evdev just needs some love
[21:39] <apachelogger> or maybe I should use tslib
[21:39] <EagleScreen> could you sync kdbg 2.5.0-1 from Debian testing to some Kubuntu PPA?
[21:40] <shadeslayer> EagleScreen: you could just wait and get it sync'd to updates i believe, seeing how it would have a lower regression
[21:40] <shadeslayer> *if* it's a new package i mean
[21:40] <yofel> that would be too late for natty though
[21:41] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I suppose that would only be allowed iff our current version does not carry a delta
[21:41] <yofel> natty doesn't have a kdbg at all
[21:41] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: http://imgur.com/HgVQRl&rylG7
[21:41] <shadeslayer> yerah
[21:41] <yofel> as the old one was kde3
[21:41] <apachelogger> uh
[21:41] <apachelogger> sabdfl: master, master, look what we have done: http://imgur.com/HgVQRl&rylG7 :D :D
[21:41] <EagleScreen> i know, but kdbg 2.5.0-1 is kde4
[21:41] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: OMG Wheres plasma mobile?
[21:42] <shadeslayer> hehe
[21:42] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: in mav we did not have a mobile seed
[21:42] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: you could just install plasma mobile you know
[21:42] <yofel> well, we could put kdbg into backports for natty probably
[21:42] <shadeslayer> like ontop of it
[21:42] <shadeslayer> yofel: why not updates?
[21:42] <sabdfl> want
[21:42] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: orly?
[21:42] <sabdfl> it
[21:42] <yofel> you should file a backport request as soon as it gets into oneiric though
[21:42] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yarly :P
[21:43] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: how would you do that with a) a keyboard and b) a working touchscreen? :P
[21:43] <yofel> shadeslayer: not sure, I would count it as a backport by now, but I'm fine either way
[21:43] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ssh into it
[21:43]  * yofel goes testbuilding kdbg in pbuilder
[21:43] <apachelogger> actually fear not! apachelogger has a serial console over USB set up :D
[21:43] <shadeslayer> :o
[21:43] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: you got that working?
[21:43] <apachelogger> yes, I went to lands of ultimate nerddom
[21:43] <shadeslayer> you are the l33t h4x00r
[21:43] <shadeslayer> -0
[21:44] <yofel> could go into updats though, right
[21:44]  * yofel delete bash completion for pbuilder, utterly broken
[21:46] <shadeslayer> bash is woefully outdated
[21:46] <shadeslayer> use zsh!
[21:47] <yofel> nah, I would need a summer to set that up, so postponed
[21:47] <yofel> and I know the git completion locked zsh up all the time
[21:48] <shadeslayer> oh yeah
[21:48] <shadeslayer> activate the git plugin in zsh *only* if you have a SSD or similar
[21:51] <yofel> no, that wasn't the issue, it locked up zsh with 100% CPU, until I killed the shell
[21:52] <shadeslayer> 0.o
[21:52] <shadeslayer> hasn't happened to me 
[21:52] <yofel> also, I need to figure out how to write completion plugins in zsh first before I switch
[21:52]  * apachelogger srsly needs a working natty on the tablet
[21:53] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: but why?
[21:54] <apachelogger> because the mobile stack on mav is rather old
[21:55] <yofel> are we going to update kaffeine in a PPA?
[21:55] <ScottK> Update in oneiric and backport probably makes more sense (PPA for now).
[21:57]  * yofel puts kdbg into ninjas
[22:35] <bambee> good night
[22:55] <claydoh> Bug #768363