[00:23] <holstein> Brady_1: sounds like something server-side
[00:24] <holstein> without being in front of it
[00:24] <holstein> its hard to say
[00:28] <kristian-aalborg> will someone *please* revive DSL?
[00:47] <seidos> DSL, as in digital subscriber line?
[00:47] <seidos> i'd like to have twisted pair or fiber to the home :D
[01:09] <kristian-aalborg> seidos: DSL = Damn Small Linux
[01:09] <kristian-aalborg> it's very cool
[01:28] <seidos> kristian-aalborg: ahhhh
[01:28] <seidos> DSL means many things
[01:28] <kristian-aalborg> not to my generation :P
[01:28] <seidos> which is that?
[01:29] <seidos> i'm pretty sure i'm part of generation Y
[01:30] <kristian-aalborg> I remember the Berlin Wall, K?
[01:30] <kristian-aalborg> seidos: just messing around, pay no mind
[01:33] <seidos> roger roger
[04:21] <asterismo> hi
[04:22] <asterismo> everyone
[04:22] <asterismo> i have a question
[04:22] <bioterror> !ask | asterismo
[04:22] <ubot2> asterismo: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[04:22] <asterismo> thanks bioterror
[04:22] <asterismo> !thanks
[04:22] <ubot2> You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)
[04:23] <asterismo> haha
[04:24] <asterismo> the thing is that i have a P4 2.8 GHz (HT) with 512 MB in a Gigabyte GA-IPE1000 PRO-G mobo and recently i bought a new Samsung 500 GB SATAII HDD (the mobo is SATAI but it recognizes as well)
[04:25] <asterismo> and the system is near unusable with outstanding iowait and HDD usage...
[04:26] <asterismo> i googled about storage schedulers, the 200 line patch that does wonders, and the alternative script posted in webupd8.. but the situation does not change
[04:27] <asterismo> i booted up with the ESTOOL samsung HDD disgnostic tool and the disk is fantastic, SMART data, and stuff... the system is a double boot with windows XP and it runs very well in it...
[04:29] <asterismo> so i guess that it is may be a bad driver or disk controller... right? ubuntu just cannot be that slow, the mouse stops moving for fraction of seconds when coping files or loading evolution, firefox, stuff like that
[04:29] <asterismo> any ideas? any bugs i should now?
[04:31] <asterismo> i installed iotop and when it is unusable it shows very high IO operations.... like 6 or 7 procesess with IOs from 99% to 25%
[04:31] <asterismo> is that normal?
[04:34] <asterismo> i mean, its ovbiously a 5-7 year old system, ubuntu should run ok in it
[04:35] <asterismo> anyone?
[04:43] <asterismo> can anyone help me? or does anyone knows other help channels??
[04:49] <seidos> asterismo: i'm pretty sure that isn't "normal", but what processes are doing it?
[04:50] <asterismo> i trend to think like there is a trigger process that start the whole iowait going up
[04:50] <asterismo> i usually start firefox, evolution, gnome-terminal and transmission
[04:51] <seidos> how much ram?
[04:51] <asterismo> and the mouse motion starts to stop and the HDD light is always on
[04:51] <asterismo> i have 512 MB
[04:51] <asterismo> 1 slot
[04:51] <seidos> so firefox, evolution, gnome-terminal, and transmission all have high io access in iotop?
[04:52] <seidos> yeah, there really shouldn't be any, except maybe with transmission
[04:52] <seidos> well, maybe firefox if you are watching video
[04:52] <asterismo> but transmission does not even verify any download
[04:52] <asterismo> forget transmission
[04:52] <asterismo> say nautilus, firefox and evolution
[04:52] <seidos> are you watching video in firefox?
[04:52] <asterismo> when starting session iotop shows 0s
[04:52] <seidos> 512MB gets eaten pretty quick on my system
[04:53] <asterismo> ocassionaly 5 or 10 seg
[04:53] <seidos> i'm already using almost the entire 2GB
[04:53] <asterismo> for a couple of seconds
[04:53] <seidos> asterismo: do free -m
[04:53] <asterismo> this is not the system anyway
[04:54] <seidos> it may just be using a lot of swap
[04:54] <asterismo> 40MB of swap used
[04:54] <seidos> at least that's my guess
[04:54] <asterismo> but is a 7200 RPM 500GB HDD
[04:54] <seidos> and is the io access within the 40MB?
[04:54] <asterismo> it should be fast enough
[04:55] <asterismo> do you mean the kswapd?
[04:55] <asterismo> or kswapd0
[04:55] <seidos> not sure what kswapd is, i was thinking of swap used
[04:55] <seidos> is that a process in iotop?
[04:55] <asterismo> it shows some io ocassionally
[04:56] <seidos> yeah, i pretty much never see that process
[04:56] <asterismo> but when navigating 3 or 4 tabs in firefox, having up evolution and nautilus
[04:56] <seidos> let me look it up
[04:56] <asterismo> firefox iotop goes to 99% for several seconds
[04:56] <asterismo> even 1 minute
[04:57] <asterismo> also plugin-container
[04:57] <asterismo> it's like something is triggering the high iowait
[04:57] <seidos> i think you've tapped my knowledge
[04:57] <asterismo> may be the active internet connection?
[04:57] <seidos> try a livecd?
[04:57] <seidos> what version of ubuntu?
[04:57] <asterismo> i read and look up the ubuntuone syncdaemon
[04:58] <asterismo> maverick
[04:58] <asterismo> i386
[04:58] <seidos> that's probably normal for it to go to 99% for several seconds
[04:58] <seidos> ah, is it a 64bit cpu?
[04:58] <asterismo> i also installed the latest lucid kernel
[04:58] <asterismo> but it does not support iotop
[04:58] <seidos> it shouldn't affect it, but really, if you can use 64bit you probably should
[04:59] <seidos> hmmm, that's weird
[04:59] <asterismo> P4 2.8 GHz (with HT) its 32 bit CPU
[04:59] <seidos> oh, the iotop binary in maverick may not be compatible with the lucid kernel
[04:59] <seidos> weird as in curious
[05:00] <seidos> oh yeah, you would need to try from a liveusb, to run iotop
[05:00] <asterismo> i tried to change the io scheduler from cfq to deadline
[05:00] <asterismo> but nothing changed
[05:00] <asterismo> i dont know what else to do, and i dont want to install debian
[05:01] <asterismo> i have ubuntu one account and stuff
[05:01] <seidos> you lost me at io scheduler
[05:01] <asterismo> the only thing that comes up to my mind is installing debian to try
[05:02] <seidos> debian is lighter weight afaik
[05:02] <seidos> but you may lose out on features
[05:02] <asterismo> yeah
[05:02] <seidos> i made a debian usb stick and it was only 166MB, but i couldn't get wireless up and running yet
[05:03] <seidos> asterismo: you could try using a lighter weight WM, but again you'll lose out on features
[05:03] <asterismo> can i change the hard drive controller from ubuntu? or fom BIOS? or it cant be changed? may be it is a bad controller
[05:03] <asterismo> but it is not related to desktop effects or wheight
[05:04] <seidos> i think it's a case of swapping behavior to be honest
[05:04] <asterismo> the system is unusable loading or executing basic programs when it should be fine
[05:05] <seidos> i'm not entirely sure though, if kswapd does all the io activity or if firefox would do it if you're out of ram
[05:05] <asterismo> but it does not
[05:05] <seidos> you're certain of this?
[05:06] <asterismo> iotop shows firefox or firefox-bin, plugin-container, nautilus, evolution, ubuntuone-syncdaemon, and other processes
[05:06] <seidos> asterismo: pastebin your iotop output so i can take a look
[05:06] <seidos> sorry, i should've asked for this a long time ago
[05:08] <asterismo> i'm not in the system right now, but it's hard to do it because when the iowait is high teh system do not respond and the copy/paste stuff neither works all the time...
[05:08] <asterismo> if i would fill up a bug for this... what title should i put in?
[05:09] <seidos> you would have to apply it to a package, perhaps iotop
[05:10] <seidos> then wait for it to get triaged.  where do you notice the performance hit the most?
[05:10] <asterismo> but i dont trust ubuntu-bugs anymore, last week i filled up a bug with the steps to making evolution crash when inserting an hyperlink, and some person closed it up 2 days later for lack of feedback, 2 days later!!
[05:10] <asterismo> that is like a bad joke
[05:11] <asterismo> i'll may be report it under "linux"
[05:11] <seidos> ermmm, perhaps we could discuss it in #ubuntu-offtopic :)
[05:12] <seidos> i have my own problems that i can't fix, but it's really about my inability to code in c ;)
[05:12] <asterismo> yeah
[05:12] <asterismo> i'm not even a programmer
[05:13] <asterismo> i'm an astronomer with computer skills
[05:13] <asterismo> that's all
[05:13] <seidos> i'm a programmer who is quite low on the totem pole
[05:13] <asterismo> well
[05:14] <asterismo> thanks for your help
[05:14] <seidos> may the source be with you
[05:14] <asterismo> i will pastebin somebody next time to help me
[05:14] <seidos> cool, if i think of anything else, i'll send you a note, assuming you're lurking
[05:14] <asterismo> but i dont feel ok reporting anymore bugs
[05:15] <seidos> well, it helps to document it
[05:15] <seidos> when you come back, you can just paste the bug
[05:15] <seidos> link that is
[05:16] <asterismo> can't to that if someone shut down the bug report 2 days later
[05:16] <seidos> asterismo: oh!  you might try syncing up with your loco.  http://loco.ubuntu.com
[05:16] <asterismo> anyway
[05:16] <seidos> there may be someone there that may help you out
[05:16] <asterismo> do you use evolution?
[05:16] <seidos> no, i don't, actually.
[05:17] <seidos> you make a good point, asterismo
[05:17] <asterismo> someone here uses evolution?
[05:17] <seidos> simplify the problem
[05:17] <seidos> just use firefox, problem still happens?
[05:17] <seidos> brb
[05:23] <seidos> asterismo: i'll try to search the forums to see if others have experienced the problem
[05:26] <seidos> asterismo: have you considered trying xubuntu or fluxbuntu?
[05:27] <asterismo> not really
[05:28] <seidos> all right
[05:31] <asterismo> goodbye seidos, and thank you for help
[05:31] <seidos> asterismo: good bye
[05:35] <seidos> ah, i should have pointed him to the swapfaq
[05:35] <seidos> just not fast enough
[06:24] <bioterror> :D
[07:02] <deuce> i just finish installing ubuntu server on a pc
[07:02] <deuce> how can i map a network drive from linux?>
[07:03] <deuce> !help
[07:03] <ubot2> Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[07:03] <seidos> deuce: i think you need to install samba
[07:04] <seidos> !samba | deuce
[07:04] <ubot2> deuce: Samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT.
[07:05] <deuce> i already setup samba
[07:05] <seidos> deuce: did you already investigate places > network?
[07:11] <deuce> brb i need to check first
[07:23] <madsailor> seidos, does server have gnome? I thought it was all CLI unless you install X and a window manager
[10:03] <AJH101> hi is this correct syntax? keep getting bash syntax error: mkdir -p ~/.config/indicators/messages/applications/  &amp;&amp; cp /usr/share/skype-wrapper/skype  ~/.config/indicators/messages/applications/skype
[10:29] <AJH1011> hi is this correct syntax? keep getting bash error: mkdir -p ~/.config/indicators/messages/applications/  &amp;&amp; cp /usr/share/skype-wrapper/skype  ~/.config/indicators/messages/applications/skype
[10:31] <bioterror> &amp sounds more like html
[10:32] <AJH1011> i know but deleting the amp still has a bash error - dont know enough to know why its not working
[10:34] <bioterror> use just &&
[10:35] <bioterror> mkdir -p ~/.config/indicators/messages/applications/ && cp /usr/share/skype-wrapper/skype ~/.config/indicators/messages/applications/skype
[10:35]  * duanedesign waves to the ever vigilant bioterror 
[10:35] <AJH1011> still no joy
[10:36] <bioterror> AJH1011, what's the error message
[10:46] <bioterror> seidos, http://wdc.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5357
[10:53] <AJH101> duanedesign: sorry having router problems- bash: syntax error near unexpected token ';&'
[11:22] <AJH101> duanedesign: sorry having router problems- bash: syntax error near unexpected token ';&'
[11:27] <duanedesign> AJH101: try a ; instead of &&
[11:29] <AJH101> no error thanks - will try a restart
[11:29] <duanedesign> good luck :)
[11:36] <AJH101> duanedesign: success! now i just need to sort my router!
[11:37] <AJH101> thanks for your help
[11:45] <ray> hello
[11:46] <ray> I know this is somewhat stupid on my part, but I might as well say what I am wondering about
[11:46] <ray> https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/550502
[11:46] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 550502 in policykit-1-gnome ""Drop all elevated privileges" menu doesn't make sense" [Medium,Triaged]
[11:47] <ray> The last thing I used my password on was for updating I think, and that was hours ago
[11:48] <ray> I am running Deluge, which I am very sure doesn't require a password but I am still wondering what will happen
[11:48] <ray> what's the worst that could happen though, right?
[11:50] <ray> hmm, I tried clicking on it and it did not go away?
[11:51] <duanedesign> hello ray
[11:51] <ray> hello
[11:52] <ray> Drop all elevated privileges with the keys will not go away
[11:53] <ray> I should check system monitor I guess
[11:54] <ray> It looks ok otherwise
[11:54] <ray> is that suppose to be there?
[11:55] <ray> I am confused about that menu item
[11:55] <ray> or what ever it is
[11:58] <duanedesign> ray: whenever you enter your sudo password it keeps the privelages elevated for 15 minutes
[11:58] <ray> It's been hours
[11:58] <duanedesign> or whatever you have set in your settings
[11:58] <ray> Where are those settings?, I am sorry and thank you
[11:59] <ray> I was about to do more Googling
[11:59] <duanedesign> you would drop elevated privelages if you wanted to change something with sudo and not have your system be 'open' for that default period
[11:59] <duanedesign> say if your son was on the computer and you installed something and wanted to walk away
[12:00] <ray> I know, I just read the last persons post in the link I posted just before you told me that
[12:00] <ray> And I knew that already
[12:00] <ray> but it's good to hear it again
[12:01] <ray> So I want to drop elevated privileges?
[12:01] <ray> But when I left click it it doesn't go away
[12:02] <ray> I know, I am a parrot
[12:04] <ray> Wouldn't that be under password and encryption keys?, I have never really used that from the menu
[12:05] <duanedesign> I know there is a command to drop the privelages
[12:05] <duanedesign> let me see if i can find it...
[12:07] <duanedesign> ray: sudo -k
[12:07] <duanedesign> that should do the same thing
[12:07] <ray> ok
[12:07] <ray> I was about to post something
[12:08] <ray> Under system applications password and encryption keys, there is an option under view called expiry, what's that?
[12:09] <ray> That did not work, nor did it ask for a password
[12:09] <duanedesign> ray: that shows the expiration date of a key
[12:09] <ray> O, OK
[12:09] <duanedesign> ray: you ran sudo -k
[12:10] <ray> I should try it then I guess
[12:10] <duanedesign> not run a command with sudo
[12:10] <ray> yes, sudo -k
[12:10] <duanedesign> and see if it asks for your password
[12:10] <ray> I will type it instead of pasting it
[12:10] <duanedesign> for ezample: sudo cat /etc/sudoers
[12:11] <ray> it doesn't ask for a password
[12:11] <ray> you want me to do sudo cat /etc/sudoers ??
[12:11] <duanedesign> what do you get from the command:  whoami
[12:12] <ray> ray
[12:14] <duanedesign> ray: so if you run this command it does not ask for a password and shows you the sudoers file?
[12:14] <duanedesign> sudo -k; sudo cat /etc/sudoers
[12:14] <ray> OK, I tried sudo nvidia-settings and it asked for a password
[12:14] <duanedesign> ok
[12:14] <ray> I didn't try sudo cat /etc/sudoers
[12:14] <ray> where you telling me to try that command?
[12:14] <duanedesign> no that  is ok
[12:14] <ray> OK
[12:15] <ray> sorry
[12:15] <duanedesign> just an example :)
[12:15] <duanedesign> if you wanted to change the default 15 minutes of elevated privelelages that is where you would do it. /etc/sudoers
[12:16] <ray> This is what I had so far:
[12:16] <ray> http://paste.ubuntu.com/596877/
[12:16] <ray> OK, I will check there then
[12:17] <duanedesign> http://www.webupd8.org/2010/04/how-to-change-sudo-password-time-out-in.html
[12:19] <ray> This is what that file has:
[12:19] <ray> http://paste.ubuntu.com/596878/
[12:19] <ray> checking link
[12:20] <ray> wow, thank you
[12:20] <ray> bookmarked
[12:21] <ray> hmm, what do you recommend?
[12:21] <ray> I am trying to decide, what is it that I do
[12:22] <ray> OK
[12:22] <ray> a question first
[12:22] <ray> when updating will it ask again for the password depending on this option?
[12:23] <ray> So you suggest 15 minutes?
[12:23] <ray> Will updates ask for a password every 15 minutes?
[12:38] <ray> So if I update once and it takes say an hour and I have this set for 15 minutes and I update and type my password in once, will update ask for my password 4 times in that one hour?
[12:39] <ray> That wasn't clear but you get what I am asking I hope
[12:39] <coz_> ray,  well if it is running a set of installed packages it should complete that run,, unless it has to stop for some reason and then it will ask again
[12:40] <ray> OK
[12:41] <ray> so you are saying if the updating is interrupted, one example I know of is a bad connection
[12:42] <ray> thank you for your answer, I can always change it later, now that I know what to do
[12:42] <ray> thank you both
[12:42] <coz_> ray,  for example... say an application  is being installed,, or  compiled,, and this application has several "sections... a core and plugins,,, first pasword for core,, then second password when the compilation has to install the set of plugins as separate package but the core install took 5 minutes or more
[12:43] <coz_> so after 5 minutes,, when it's ready to install the plugins it will ask for the password again,, but,, in most instances,, when updating ,, one password should work for the complete update   and yes  maybe ,, sort of ,, its possible for bad connection  ,,
[12:43] <ray> OK, thank you for clearing that up
[12:44] <ray> Well, I used to have a bad connection
[12:44] <ray> every time the phone was being used my wireless router would drop out
[12:45] <coz_> ray,    on new versions of ubuntu the security passord time has been reduced so it will occur more often,, example  in terminal you do update  ,,, takes a minute,,, then you want to test update again,, probably will ask for password again
[12:45] <ray> so I changed the channel my router was using and it doesn't have that problem anymore
[12:45] <coz_> ray,  ah I see
[12:45] <ray> Well, at least I think that is what fixed my connection problem
[12:46] <ray> I am reading what you have written
[12:46] <ray> So you mean doing sudo apt-get update twice then I guess
[12:47] <coz_> ray,  yes  with a minute or more time between,,
[12:47] <ray> right
[12:47] <ray> ok
[12:47] <coz_> ray,   it will ask for password again,,,
[12:47] <ray> thank you
[12:47] <coz_> no problem
[12:47] <ray> that really helped me
[12:48] <ray> I decided 15 minutes, unless I decide otherwise in the future
[12:48] <ray> Have a good day
[12:48] <ray> thank you both
[12:48] <ray> I am going I guess
[12:48] <ray> bye
[12:48] <ray> o/
[12:48] <coz_> ok
[13:20] <cookiesunshinex> This is going to sound really basic, but how can I tell what filesystem my ubuntu server is using.  I want to see if it is XFS or EXT3
[13:21] <bioterror> sudo blkid
[15:49] <virgo> hi
[15:50] <virgo> i want to join #python channel, and it redirects me to #python-unregistered and then i must register but it says that i am already registered...
[16:06] <charlie-tca> Did you ask in #python-unregistered?
[16:07] <virgo> i already got some information about this problem from ubuntu channel
[16:07] <virgo> so i am trying to figure out how this thing works
[16:14] <virgo> what password do i must use to register with nickserv?
[17:06] <holstein> virgo: you get it sorted?
[17:07] <holstein> really, all you need to know *should* be here
[17:07] <holstein> http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml
[17:11] <virgo> holstein: yes
[17:11] <holstein> virgo: :)
[17:11] <virgo> some admin helped me
[17:11] <virgo> he deleted old virgo
[17:11] <virgo> and so i was able to register me
[18:32] <Unguided> Hello All! Whats going on?
[18:38] <squaregoldfish> Not much, it seems :)
[18:41] <Unguided> Yeah. I havent been here in a while. Off playing and working etc. When I first came into the channel i had lots of questions. Holstein really helped me out and now I am dumping my old windows home server for linux. eventually going to get rid of windows altogether
[18:42] <Unguided> Its a great thing
[18:48] <holstein> Unguided: glad to hear you are enjoying ubuntu :)
[18:50] <Unguided> Hey Holstein. I never got the chance to thank you. Glad you checked in.
[18:53] <Unguided> I did find a great book that helps answer a lot of my questions. Its called "A practical guide to linux" third edition. covers up to version 10.04 but explains a lot of things. written by mark sobell. He wrote it for people in college
[18:53] <Unguided> business etc. awesome book.
[18:54] <Unguided> personal users as well. I did not realize just how powerful linux really is
[18:55] <Unguided> So Holstein. Thank you very much for ALL of your help even though I know I have been annoying at times