[03:27] <akgraner> JFo, you still up?  We need some mad dj skilz....and becca needs a beat she can put these vocals too
[03:27] <cjohnston> heh
[03:29] <akgraner> she said  the Bm Bm/E cord changes are annoying her and she just wants to sing not play and sing...:-/
[03:30] <nigelb> ;5~Morning folks
[03:32] <akgraner> morning nigelb
[03:34] <akgraner> I was showing becca how to use audacity (what little I know) and she sat down at my computer and laughed the muahahaha laugh as she found my fb, qwibber and irc screens and said - "Now, I have the power!"
[03:34] <nigelb> akgraner: hahaha
[03:35] <akgraner> I threatened her if she typed anything as me...
[03:35] <cjohnston> jcastro: what do you think about on http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-o/ seperating out the linaro tracks from the ubuntu tracks somehow...
[03:35] <jcastro> I think that's a bad idea
[03:35] <cjohnston> Like a Ubuntu By Track: and Linaro By Tracl:
[03:35] <jcastro> they use the same rooms as normal UDS
[03:36] <jcastro> so the scheduler jumbles them all up in the same pile
[03:36] <cjohnston> right.. not saying different pages or anything.. but right now its, u, u, u, u, u, l, l, l, l, l, l, l, l, l, u, u, u... i think all the u's should be in one column, and all the l's in one column
[03:37] <jcastro> they have a logo
[03:37] <jcastro> it's supposed to be integrated on purpose
[03:37] <cjohnston> I don't see any logos
[03:37] <jcastro> it's supposed to be Linaro and Ubuntu are one intermingled happiness
[03:37] <jcastro> not Linaro on this side, Ubuntu on that side
[03:37] <cjohnston> ok
[03:38] <cjohnston> then why specidy linaro andoind and not ubuntu design?
[03:38] <cjohnston> they are being seperated by that
[03:38] <cjohnston> imo
[03:38] <jcastro> I dunno man
[03:41] <nigelb> cjohnston: don't make jcastro cry :p
[03:42] <mhall119> jcastro: if it's supposed to be one intermingled happiness, why are we adding settings to only show Linaro tracks?
[03:42] <nigelb> that's probably just to filter, and the intermingled happiness sounds like its only for the screens :p
[03:43] <cjohnston> theres no ubuntu only track views
[03:43] <jcastro> look guys, I only found out about the linaro stuff  like 2 days ago
[03:43] <cjohnston> lol
[03:43] <jcastro> they have exactly 1 blueprint filed
[03:43] <jcastro> and we have like 2 weeks until UDs
[03:44] <nigelb> like I said, dont make jcastro cry ;)
[03:44] <jcastro> so all the reqs keep changing
[03:44] <nigelb> cjohnston: do we have a web precense team bluprint yet?
[03:44] <cjohnston> theres an ld one...
[03:44] <cjohnston> discussion of a summit one...
[03:44] <mhall119> nigelb: can we at least make him wimper a little?
[03:44] <cjohnston> lol
[03:44] <nigelb> haha
[03:45] <nigelb> cjohnston: link me to the LD one
[03:45] <nigelb> mhall119: can I propose a summit one?
[03:45] <cjohnston> i dont know that its approved yet
[03:45] <nigelb> aaah.
[03:46] <mhall119> nigelb: you can propose whatever you want, I'll be at the ISD sprint :)
[03:46] <akgraner> "and jcastro goes from community team member by day to linaro super hero by night"
[03:46] <nigelb> mhall119: dammit, no point in having something without you
[03:46] <cjohnston> what about me
[03:46] <mhall119> nigelb: I can probably get out of my sprint for summit and ld work
[03:47] <nigelb> mhall119: yeah, that's why I asked you first, so that you can jump out :-)
[03:47] <mhall119> but I'll have to get it approved, so the sooner you get the blueprints approved and scheduled, the better chance of me being there
[03:47] <cjohnston> schedules change.. :-/
[03:47]  * nigelb goes to write blueprint.
[03:47]  * cjohnston is off to bed.. gnite
[03:47] <nigelb> good night cjohnston
[03:48] <nigelb> didn't jcastro have a 'how to propose sessions vido?'
[03:48] <akgraner> yeppers he does
[03:48] <nigelb> can someone link me to that?
[03:48] <mhall119> cjohnston: impossible, UDS schedules are written in stone
[03:49] <nigelb> so that's whhy jono takes time to approve. he'll be etching on stone....
[03:49] <mhall119> jono just rips on his guitar and the stone falls away where the letters should be
[03:49] <akgraner> mhall119, and by stone do you mean jello
[03:49] <nigelb> hahaha
[03:49] <mhall119> akgraner: no, even jello roughly holds it's shape, more like water
[03:49] <nigelb> akgraner: yeah, bright green ones
[03:50] <akgraner> well the schedule does melt under heat and pressure just like jello...it's starts out solid...
[03:50] <mhall119> why are you squeezing your jello?
[03:51] <nigelb> lots of pressure :p
[03:51] <nigelb> to fit the scedule
[03:52] <akgraner> nigelb, http://ubuntudevelopers.blip.tv/file/3539348/
[03:55] <jcastro> http://castrojo.tumblr.com/post/4795149014/the-power-users-guide-to-unity
[03:55] <jcastro> BEHOLD
[03:55]  * nigelb tweets
[03:57] <jcastro> ok everyone tell everyone about this
[03:58] <jcastro> http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/
[03:58] <jcastro> and upboat me on the reddits
[03:58] <nigelb> hang on, sighning in.
[03:58] <nigelb> upvoted :-)
[03:59] <akgraner> jcastro, that's am awesome post!
[03:59] <jcastro> TELL THE UNIVERSE
[03:59] <akgraner> I'll stick it on the Fridge...
[04:01] <akgraner> jcastro, your twitter id is castrojo? or something else?
[04:01] <jcastro> castrojo
[04:02] <nigelb> jcastro: SHE ISN'T FOLLOWING YOU!
[04:02] <nigelb> :-P
[04:02] <akgraner> twitted and dented :-)
[04:02] <jcastro> oh so she's like jono then?
[04:02] <akgraner> ouch!
[04:02] <nigelb> haha
[04:03]  * akgraner fixes that right now..
[04:03] <akgraner> I am usually signed into qwibber and to follow people I have to sign into twitter...
[04:04] <akgraner> ha I am following you
[04:05] <akgraner> I need to follow more people...:-(  but I hate being signed into gwibber and all the other social sites...I like one place...
[04:06] <mhall119> yeah, missing a "follow" option in gwibber is a pain
[04:06] <akgraner> if I could follow people and get to my facebook group pages....my gwibber life would be complete
[04:07] <mhall119> I'm not sure if the twitter api doesn't allow it or what
[04:07] <nigelb> does I think.
[04:09] <nigelb> mhall119: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/summit/+spec/community-o-summit
[04:09] <nigelb> everything looks alright?
[04:53] <paultag> JanC: oh noes!
[08:01] <dholbach> good morning
[08:02] <nigelb> hello dholbach
[08:04] <dholbach> hey nigelb
[08:59] <kim0> morning
[08:59] <jussi> Monring kim0 :)
[09:00] <kim0> jussi: hey :)
[09:01] <nigelb> hey kim0
[09:01] <nigelb> hello jussi
[09:01] <kim0> nigelb: hi o/
[09:01] <nigelb> oh yeah, dpm is off today :-)
[09:24] <duanedesign> morning dholbach nigelb kim0
[09:24] <dholbach> hey duanedesign
[09:25] <kim0> duanedesign: hey
[09:25] <duanedesign> what online open poll systems are there. nhandler always sets up the ones we use on the Beginners Team...having trouble remembering the name
[09:26] <czajkowski> doodle?
[09:29] <duanedesign> thank you czajkowski
[09:30] <czajkowski> duanedesign: np
[09:42] <popey> Morning all!
[09:45] <czajkowski> popey: still here, they;ve not removed you from the internet then
[09:46] <czajkowski> all is good and safe in the world then
[09:46] <popey> Not _yet_
[09:46] <czajkowski> should I stay or should I go now....
[10:01] <Daviey> czajkowski: Whatever you do, Darling you gotta let me know.
[10:21] <AlanBell> if I stay there will be trouble
[10:30] <nigelb> buahah
[11:48] <akgraner> Hey y'all does or is there a way to set what time update manager runs?
[11:49] <akgraner> I see how to set the frequency ie daily weekly..etc but not the time checks for the updates..
[11:52] <nigelb> oh man. Amazon EC2 West Virgina is down.
[11:52] <nigelb> and takes down Fourqure, hootsuite, quora, and reddit along with it....
[12:03] <nigelb> akgraner: probably a good feature to request.
[12:06] <duanedesign> anyone know the command to drop the elevated priveleges? The 15 minute period after you enter your sudo password
[12:06] <popey> sudo -k
[12:07] <duanedesign> thank you!
[12:09] <akgraner> nigelb, so can you change that? ....or is it one of those SOL things?
[12:10] <nigelb> akgraner: I don't think so. It seems to run when I do something with apt
[12:10] <akgraner> I don't think I am asking the mighty google the right question...
[12:11] <popey> akgraner: 42
[12:11] <akgraner> so if google can't find me the answer, I'll have to punt it to, "AskUbuntu"...
[12:11] <akgraner> popey, ha...
[12:15] <jussi> *G*
[12:19] <akgraner> ok I finally asked a question without being prompted by jcastro to do so :-)  yay there is hope for me after all...(well at least in regards to asking Ubuntu)
[12:20]  * nigelb goes to upvote
[12:21] <akgraner> Ok I've never submitted a feature request...how does one do that?
[12:22] <akgraner> oh wow newness....this is so cool...
[12:22] <nigelb> log a bug :-)
[12:23] <akgraner> ahhh ok...
[12:23] <akgraner> I know how to do that...I just didn't realize it was the same process...:-)
[12:31] <JanC> I think it pops up after apt touches some file that tells  update-manager tehre are updates available
[12:31] <nigelb> :)
[12:31] <nigelb> JanC: this is not a trivial features :-)
[12:32] <JanC> and the apt cronjob runs automatically around 6h25 (am) it seems
[12:33] <JanC> which will be postponed if your PC isn't on at that time  ;)
[12:33] <nigelb> I run aptcron on my server, so it does it automatically at 4 am
[12:34] <JanC> nigelb: I think Ubuntu has an apt cronjob by default?
[12:35] <JanC> at least, I can't remember installign it, and certainly not on all systems  ;)
[12:36] <nigelb> I dont think there is something by default
[12:39] <JanC> hm, then how come 10.10 & 11.04 can automatically check for, download and/or install all updates or security updates by default ?
[12:39] <JanC> ;)
[12:40] <nigelb> JanC: ah, there is. I wanted it to notify me. Now I remeember :)
[12:40] <nigelb> JanC: Also, is it an update-manager feature? Like is it on servers?
[12:40] <JanC> it works on servers too
[12:42] <JanC> update-manager does never check for updates itself, unless you press the button in its GUI
[12:42] <JanC> well, it checks for the file that the apt cronjob leaves behind for it
[12:43] <nigelb> JanC: ah, 10.10
[12:43] <nigelb> JanC: my servers run 10.04 :-)
[12:43] <JanC> I'm not sure 10.04 had it or not
[12:44] <JanC> I think it must have got a check for updates, but maybe not unattended updates (I would have to check)
[12:44] <JanC> unattended upgrades
[12:45] <JanC> nigelb: 10.04 has it too
[12:46] <nigelb> JanC: hrm, I should check then.
[12:51] <JanC> nigelb: and you can set a mail address too
[12:52] <JanC> see /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades and some other files in that directory
[13:13] <duanedesign> nigelb: you run cron-apt?
[13:14] <duanedesign> nigelb: do you have it just download the updates? Or do you have them auto installed them as well?
[13:32] <nigelb> duanedesign: everything is auto-installed
[13:40]  * duanedesign nods
[13:54] <duanedesign> jcastro: like your unity power user blog post
[13:57] <jcastro> thanks!
[14:00] <jcastro> hey akgraner
[14:06] <mhall119> jcastro: doctormo: hope you don't mind being in my screenshot: http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/4853/readfeeder1.png
[14:07] <jcastro> NNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[14:07] <jcastro> just kidding
[14:10]  * jcastro is going on a roadtrip today to speak at the Indiana LoCo
[14:11] <czajkowski> jcastro: sweet
[14:12] <mhall119> Indian Jorge and the LoCo of Doom
[14:12] <mhall119> Indiana
[14:12] <mhall119> bah, well I blew that joke
[14:12] <jcastro> yeah
[14:12] <mhall119> :(
[14:13]  * mhall119 hangs his head in shame
[14:13] <jcastro> Raiders of the lost LoCo
[14:13] <czajkowski> oh dear
[14:13] <czajkowski> and so it begins
[14:13]  * mhall119 blames popey 
[14:16] <dholbach> been a long week, eh? :)
[14:16] <popey> hmm
[14:17] <czajkowski> such a long week
[14:17] <mhall119> czajkowski: how's your back feeling?
[14:17] <czajkowski> on the plus side my mum got the all clear from stomach cancer
[14:17] <czajkowski> mhall119: so so cant take pain killers so lying flat on my back and bored out of my brains
[14:17] <mhall119> !cancer == win
[14:17] <ubot2> Factoid 'cancer == win' not found
[14:17] <czajkowski> I've a few blog posts in the line
[14:17] <mhall119> heh
[14:18] <czajkowski> oh and I've re arranged my room about 4 different ways
[14:18] <czajkowski> and emptied my clothes out of wardrobes and folded them all back in twice now
[14:18] <mhall119> ok, moving furniture around multiple times probably isn't the best way to let a sore back recover
[14:18] <czajkowski> no just little things
[14:18] <czajkowski> liek where things went
[14:18] <czajkowski> small ickle things
[14:18] <mhall119> oh, ok
[14:19] <mhall119> when Michelle says "rearranged", she means the major furniture
[14:19] <mhall119> usually multiple times
[14:19] <mhall119> and usually done by me
[14:19] <czajkowski> hehe
[14:20] <mhall119> it's funny, she likes to re-arrange furniture once ever few months or so, but when I set furniture I will usually leave it in the same arrangement forever
[14:21] <czajkowski> that's no fun
[14:22] <mhall119> probably not, but I don't typically look to my furniture for fun
[14:22] <mhall119> hmmm...that sounds kind of wrong...
[14:36] <vish> jcastro: the power user blog maybe worth adding it to askubuntu, as a community wiki and keep adding new stuff later..
[14:37]  * vish was considering asking ops to  add it to +1 topic
[14:39] <jcastro> vish: that would be great if you want to start that
[14:40] <jcastro> and I'll just sync it back to my blog
[14:40] <jcastro> There's a cool "unity screenshot" thread on the forums I can't find, but I've asked people to help
[14:40]  * vish tries to ask-ify that..
[14:40] <jcastro> it takes html
[14:40] <jcastro> a copy and paste outta do it
[14:40] <JFo> akgraner, I'm up now :-)
[14:46] <akgraner> JFo, oh cool you got some rest then!  yay!
[14:46] <JFo> indeed I did
[14:46] <JFo> it was an odd thing, but my research into my insomnia has yielded oddly interesting results
[14:47] <JFo> I'll elaborate later
[14:47] <JFo> <-reading an e-mail that is giving me a headache and no doubt did the same for the rest of the team yesterday. :-/
[14:48] <akgraner> rut roh
[14:48] <JFo> yeah
[14:49] <JFo> it is speculation (the e-mail) but it is painful
[15:02] <cjohnston> heyo
[15:06] <daker> kim0, check that http://www.alarabiya.net/
[15:08] <akgraner> nigelb, check out the answer - http://askubuntu.com/questions/36251/is-there-a-way-to-change-what-time-the-update-manager-checks-for-updates
[15:09] <akgraner> I think I'll get a t-shirt that says - I <3 Ask Ubuntu!
[15:29] <kim0> daker: yeah that happens :)
[15:29] <daker> ツ
[15:29] <kim0> it's real bad when it happens to a website you're responsible for
[15:31] <daker> yes
[15:59] <JanC> what happened to Al Arabiya ?
[16:02] <dholbach> alright my friends - I call it a day - have a great WE
[16:02] <dholbach> see you on Tuesday
[16:02] <cjohnston> o.
[16:02] <cjohnston> o/
[16:03] <dholbach> byeeeeeeeeeee
[16:05] <JanC> akgraner: the answer on AskUbuntu isn't entirely correct though  ;)
[16:06] <akgraner> JanC can you update it then?
[16:06] <akgraner> I haven't had a change to play with it yet....
[16:06] <JanC> well, it's somewhat complicated
[16:07] <JanC> the script that does the update has a random time it waits to avoid all 20 million Ubuntu users to start checking for updates at the same time
[16:07] <akgraner> I noticed that..but I figured I'd muddle through it or at least try to... and still ask for a menu option :-)
[16:08] <akgraner> see - I am destined to remain a confused being..;-P
[16:09] <JanC> and changing crontab as Oli suggests will also change the time for all other cron jobs that run daily
[16:27] <JanC> akgraner: comment added to http://askubuntu.com/questions/36251/is-there-a-way-to-change-what-time-the-update-manager-checks-for-updates/36260#36260  ;)
[16:33] <akgraner> thank you! :-)
[16:34] <akgraner> jcastro, just added your Power Users guide to the Fridge :-)  Thank again for posting all that...!
[16:34] <jcastro> YEAH YEAH!
[16:34] <jcastro> akgraner: I will be constantly updating it
[16:35] <akgraner> jcastro, just remind me as you update it and I'll make sure the fridge is updated as well, but just incase you get busy -I have added your blog to my RSS feeds :-)
[16:39] <jcastro> I suspect a bunch early on
[16:39] <jcastro> and then we'll be finished
[17:25] <mhall119> akgraner: ping
[17:25] <akgraner> pong
[17:25] <mhall119> may I pm?
[17:25] <czajkowski> jcastro: it's a really good post been tweeting it all day and saw lots of people I don't know Rting it
[17:26] <akgraner> mhall119, of course..:-)
[17:29] <AlanBell> what we need to do is make the wiki useable again and put the power users guide on the wiki
[20:35] <cjohnston> nothing should go on the wiki
[20:44] <AlanBell> cjohnston: where should it go?
[20:45] <AlanBell> or more to the point, why do you say that nothing should go on the wiki?
[21:02] <cjohnston> cause of the suckage of the wiki... I'm not a huge fan of wikis tho..
[21:02] <cjohnston> I like more 'official' publishing methods for like a power users guide
[21:04] <JanC> it's called 'man'   ;)
[21:13] <AlanBell> oh, ok, cjohnston, yes the wiki sucks, I believe there is a process in place to unsuck it, once done it should become useful again
[21:14] <cjohnston> My second statement clarifies that one tho.. lol I'm just not a fan of wikis