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| raining_ | Hi, everyone | 05:02 |
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| raining_ | I need some help for my skype | 05:02 |
| raining_ | I use ubuntu 10.10 x86_64 | 05:02 |
| raining_ | and I installed ibus-qt4 | 05:02 |
| raining_ | but I cannot use ibus for skype | 05:03 |
| raining_ | pls give the solution | 05:03 |
| TheMuso | raining_: Please go to #ubuntu for support. | 05:13 |
| raining_ | ok thanks | 05:18 |
| RAOF | So, I have this theory I want to test. The only problem is that it requries a kernel recompilation. | 06:45 |
| RAOF | We would be so much more productive with infinite computation resources :) | 06:45 |
| pitti | Good morning | 07:23 |
| didrocks | good morning | 07:24 |
| pitti | bonjour didrocks | 07:25 |
| didrocks | hey pitti, how are you? Still packing? :) | 07:26 |
| pitti | didrocks: yeah, still quite a lot to do | 07:27 |
| didrocks | pitti: good luck :) | 07:32 |
| smspillaz | morning everyone | 07:32 |
| pitti | didrocks: thanks | 07:33 |
| pitti | hey smspillaz | 07:33 |
| smspillaz | heya :) | 07:33 |
| didrocks | hey smspillaz | 07:33 |
| Sweetshark | Good Morning, Desktopers! | 07:47 |
| pitti | hey Sweetshark | 07:47 |
| mvo | didrocks: eh, I just had a notification appear on top of my screensaver … is that a known issue? | 07:47 |
| mvo | good morning btw :) | 07:48 |
| mvo | (with compiz of course) | 07:48 |
| didrocks | mvo: hey, not it's not known :/ | 07:48 |
| didrocks | smspillaz: maybe a regression from your restack branch? ^^ | 07:48 |
| didrocks | hey Sweetshark | 07:48 |
| smspillaz | didrocks: likely not | 07:49 |
| smspillaz | mvo: stacking issues are known, but they are difficult to debug | 07:49 |
| mvo | I had that a while ago (weeks?) but then it went away | 07:49 |
| smspillaz | didrocks: I doubt the restack branch would do it | 07:50 |
| mvo | right, I'm worried about notification as they may lead to information discoulusre :/ | 07:50 |
| mvo | (from IM for example) | 07:50 |
| didrocks | smspillaz: can you have a look with mvo? Still looking at incoming bugs | 07:50 |
| smspillaz | mvo: if you could find a way to get compiz into the state there that happens then I can look into it for you | 07:50 |
| smspillaz | mvo: I'm aware of the security risks here, but this is partly due to the fact that the screensaver model on linux is completely broken anyhow | 07:51 |
| mvo | I can try to reproduce now, its on this machine soI will be on and off irc | 07:51 |
| mvo | smspillaz: I remember we had similar issue back in the old days and solved it with some slegdehammer approach (but I may be wrong its a long time ago). something like "strcmp(w.name, "gnome-screensaver") ;) | 07:52 |
| smspillaz | indeed | 07:52 |
| smspillaz | we could have something like that | 07:52 |
| mvo | (truely ugly though) | 07:52 |
| smspillaz | right | 07:53 |
| smspillaz | IMO, we should kill gnome-screensaer and move screensaver handling into the window manager | 07:53 |
| * mvo scratches head - of course, now its no longer reproducable | 07:54 | |
| mvo | fine with me | 07:54 |
| RAOF | smspillaz: Or… move both into the compositor, and have it be the display server? :P | 07:56 |
| smspillaz | RAOF: sounds like an amazing idea! | 07:59 |
| smspillaz | mvo: indeed, it's a very difficult thing to reproduce | 07:59 |
| smspillaz | mvo: which sucks, because it makes my life that much harder :) | 07:59 |
| smspillaz | RAOF: not having the screensaver and window manager be the same thing is insane | 08:00 |
| smspillaz | RAOF: the way the gnome-screensaver ensures that it is on-top of everything is right now is to flood us with restack requests | 08:00 |
| smspillaz | it's more cpu taxing for you screensaver to be on than off | 08:01 |
| smspillaz | even if it is just "blank" | 08:01 |
| vish | pitti, didrocks: is making changes like Bug 760656 appropriate for an SRU? … seems like a very odd choice deciding to change the branding after release.. :s why not just upload the change now? | 08:20 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 760656 in unity "Launcher: Background lighting and border is displayed for Workspaces, Apps, Files, Trash (should be turned off)" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/760656 | 08:20 |
| vish | btw, hi.. ;) | 08:21 |
| * Sweetshark remembers something ... | 08:25 | |
| didrocks | vish: no, don't know why sladen is telling that… | 08:26 |
| didrocks | vish: I already told him it was way too late and risky | 08:26 |
| didrocks | vish: anyway, I didn't set it to the upstream 3.8.12 milestone which makes the authority or SRU on purpose | 08:27 |
| vish | didrocks: hmm.. yea, either we do it now or we postpone for O.. | 08:27 |
| didrocks | vish: even now, we are in hard freeze today | 08:27 |
| * vish nods | 08:28 | |
| didrocks | vish: and I had a quick look at this part of code one week ago, I already told sladen the amount of change was too high (in addition to another UI freeze breakage…) | 08:28 |
| didrocks | seems it doesn't worth it | 08:28 |
| vish | hmm.. | 08:29 |
| fta2 | seems under unity, the "API mismatch" after an nvidia driver update no longer triggers the please restart thingy like it used to | 08:30 |
| didrocks | fta2: oh really? next time I saw that (one week ago?), it was working | 08:31 |
| didrocks | previous* | 08:32 |
| fta2 | didrocks, my 2 desktops were both sluggish, the logs show tons of NVRM warnings | 08:32 |
| Sweetshark | vish: I just updated your email in the copyright file ... | 08:33 |
| didrocks | fta2: not sure it's under unity, let's try to touch the file | 08:33 |
| fta2 | didrocks, happened on my 2 main desktops running natty/unity | 08:34 |
| didrocks | fta2: touching /var/run/reboot-required worked | 08:34 |
| didrocks | fta2: so, shouldn't be unity related, maybe the package didn't touch it | 08:35 |
| fta2 | maybe that file hasn't been touched then, too late to check, i rebooted both | 08:35 |
| didrocks | pitti: thanks for accepting unity (I guess it's you as it wasn't acked yesterday evening ;)) | 08:38 |
| vish | Sweetshark: awesome thanks :) | 08:40 |
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| pitti | didrocks: yes, did a queue run this morning | 08:56 |
| pitti | "last call for train to natty; please get seated, doors closing" | 08:56 |
| didrocks | pitti: not sure if you want to track this one: bug #767613 | 08:57 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 767613 in unity "unity does not start with nvidia173.14.30" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/767613 | 08:57 |
| pitti | didrocks: would be interesting to see if it also happens with nvidia-current | 08:58 |
| didrocks | pitti: apart from that (this seems a nvidia regression), all unity land should be done by now | 08:58 |
| didrocks | pitti: well, let me reboot :) | 08:58 |
| didrocks | if you don't see me back, call the police! | 08:58 |
| pitti | didrocks: oh, you get that, too? | 08:58 |
| pitti | I just asked on the bug | 08:58 |
| didrocks | pitti: I just updated my machine with nvidia 270 | 08:59 |
| * pitti throws a tracking transponder onto didrocks' back | 08:59 | |
| didrocks | fta2: confirmed, the package doesn't touch the file btw | 08:59 |
| didrocks | pitti: heh ;) | 08:59 |
| seb128 | hey desktopers | 09:01 |
| pitti | bonjour seb128 | 09:02 |
| pitti | seb128: formally rodrigo_ just got his third +1 on the desktop list; but do you want to follow up as well? | 09:02 |
| seb128 | hey pitti, how are you? | 09:02 |
| seb128 | pitti, I was going to yes | 09:03 |
| pitti | seb128: I'm fine, thanks! hurt my toe in the soccer game yesterday, but that'll pass | 09:03 |
| seb128 | utch | 09:03 |
| pitti | didrocks: he's alive! | 09:04 |
| didrocks | pitti: \o/ | 09:04 |
| didrocks | pitti: I don't have the same card, but at least, not all nvidia revisions regressed ;) | 09:04 |
| seb128 | pitti, done | 09:05 |
| seb128 | doh | 09:05 |
| pitti | seb128: yay | 09:05 |
| seb128 | oh, really done with an email subscribed to the list this time :p | 09:06 |
| didrocks | seb128: oh got puzzled by sending from the wrong adress to ubuntu-desktop ML? :) | 09:07 |
| seb128 | I hacked my @ubuntu.com to @canonical.com yesterday to reply to an email | 09:08 |
| didrocks | seb128: how hacked? :-) | 09:08 |
| seb128 | seems people tend to send me email on that one using seb128 rather than my name | 09:08 |
| seb128 | well edited the account and changed my email | 09:08 |
| seb128 | I should add some extra dumb accounts for the variants I don't use but people write to | 09:09 |
| seb128 | I tend to use seb128 at ubuntu and s.b at canonical | 09:09 |
| seb128 | but people write to seb128 at canonical for some reason | 09:09 |
| seb128 | well anyway boring email story :p | 09:10 |
| * cdbs has a dream to work one day for canonical, though he already is contracted for unity :) | 09:10 | |
| pitti | vish: yes, such things really shouln't be changed post release | 09:28 |
| aquarius | hm. I keep getting GPU crashes (I think that's what they are), and then when I reboot the machine to get my display back, I ge tthe "System program problems detected" dialog. When I say "yes, report the problem", I get *another* crash dialog saying "apport-gpu-error-intel.py closed unexpectedly". I think this means that the program trying to diagnose the crash is itself crashing? | 09:49 |
| aquarius | So I have two questions: how do I diagnose and report the GPU crash, and am I correct in my assumptions? :) | 09:50 |
| seb128 | aquarius, hey, do you confuse us with #ubuntu-x? ;-) | 09:52 |
| aquarius | seb128, well, I think this is more an apport problem; once I've got apport able to report the actual gpu bug, I will then go and whine at the X people about not making my GPU hang in the first place. But if I whine at them now they'll say "file a bug" and I'll say "I can't, apport won't let me" :) | 09:53 |
| mvo | pitti: could you have a quick look at http://paste.ubuntu.com/596843/ and apply upstream if it makes sense? just look at software-center and gir and this is the first bit I stumbled on | 09:54 |
| seb128 | aquarius, no, it seems that the apport-gpu-error-intel.py code shipped with the xorg packages is buggy | 09:54 |
| pitti | mvo: oh, absolutely | 09:55 |
| aquarius | seb128, oh, they own the apport-gpu thing? right, cool, I'll go talk to them about it :) | 09:56 |
| seb128 | aquarius, yes | 09:56 |
| mvo | thanks! | 09:56 |
| seb128 | mvo, you want to use gtk3 | 09:56 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 09:56 |
| pitti | mvo: it's already fixed in GTK3 | 09:56 |
| pitti | right, if you start porting now, do use gir1.2-gtk-3.0 | 09:57 |
| pitti | it's a lot more stable, and in oneiric we'll use that anyway | 09:57 |
| mvo | ok | 09:57 |
| mvo | I don't really want to start now, just play with it to get a feeling for the task at hand | 09:57 |
| pitti | mvo: anyway, http://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/commit/?h=gtk-2-24&id=baf8bf967dfcde1b101d513c5102872a9b0ac571 | 09:59 |
| mvo | cool, thanks | 10:00 |
| * mvo switches to gtk3 | 10:00 | |
| pitti | mvo: it currently looks ugly due to missing theme, but for porting it's still better | 10:00 |
| pitti | there's some things which are principally broken in gtk2 and can't be fixed easily | 10:01 |
| pitti | such as menu popups | 10:01 |
| mvo | ok | 10:01 |
| mvo | it currently segfaults for me a lot, but I guess that is because of leaking import pygtk/import gtk somewhere | 10:01 |
| pitti | mvo: you know about the porting guide, btw? | 10:01 |
| pitti | right | 10:01 |
| mvo | the gtk2 -> gtk3 one? | 10:01 |
| pitti | that, too, but I meant the pygtk -> pygi one | 10:01 |
| pitti | https://live.gnome.org/PyGObject/IntrospectionPorting | 10:02 |
| pitti | I recycled my UDW talk to this | 10:02 |
| seb128 | didrocks, no luck for those nvidia crash since pitti turned apport off yesterday, we will need to get someone to manually turn it on again | 10:02 |
| mvo | aha, nice | 10:02 |
| didrocks | seb128: right, anyway, I have something online within the day to get it manually reported | 10:03 |
| mvo | I was usuing the talk and the gir s far, nice to see it in one good page | 10:03 |
| seb128 | didrocks, ok | 10:03 |
| pitti | mvo: so pygi-convert left some imports which are pulling in gtk? | 10:09 |
| pitti | mvo: one thing that's currently missing from that is appindicator -> gi.r.AppIndicator; do you use that? | 10:09 |
| didrocks | pitti: seb128: can you force bug #768178 to be retraced please? (it's the nvidia issue) | 10:19 |
| seb128 | didrocks, ok | 10:19 |
| didrocks | thanks :) | 10:19 |
| seb128 | didrocks, do you know what architecture it is? | 10:21 |
| didrocks | i686 ?, asking (he's on #ayatana) | 10:21 |
| seb128 | didrocks, if you have access to the bug it's in the tag | 10:22 |
| seb128 | need-<arch>-retrace | 10:22 |
| didrocks | seb128: yeah, i386 | 10:22 |
| seb128 | didrocks, retraced | 10:25 |
| didrocks | seb128: thanks! rock :) | 10:25 |
| seb128 | yw | 10:25 |
| seb128 | didrocks, retracing worked, i.e the stacktrace has symbols etc | 10:26 |
| didrocks | seb128: yeah, seeing, that, I'm attaching to the other bug | 10:26 |
| mvo | pitti: yeah, it looks like it, I don't use appindicator. one I had to manually kill is gtkspell, there seems to be no gir yet | 10:29 |
| chrisccoulson | good morning everyone | 11:04 |
| chrisccoulson | nice day outside :) | 11:04 |
| didrocks | hey chrisccoulson | 11:04 |
| chrisccoulson | hi didrocks, how are you? | 11:05 |
| didrocks | chrisccoulson: I'm fine thanks, the bug rush is mostly behind now (let's cross fingers ;)) | 11:05 |
| chrisccoulson | heh :) | 11:05 |
| didrocks | and you? | 11:05 |
| chrisccoulson | didrocks, good thanks. just looking at a bug someone reported this morning against my firefox extension | 11:07 |
| chrisccoulson | i think it's the first real bug! | 11:08 |
| chrisccoulson | how dare they ;) | 11:08 |
| chrisccoulson | bug 767966 (quite bad) :( | 11:08 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 767966 in firefox "globalmenu extension pollutes main window javascript scope" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/767966 | 11:08 |
| didrocks | chrisccoulson: how come??? :-) | 11:08 |
| chrisccoulson | i should definitely get that one fixed before people start complaining i break their other extensions ;) | 11:08 |
| didrocks | chrisccoulson: heh, of course, everyone will blame you (or rather unity :p) | 11:09 |
| chrisccoulson | lol | 11:09 |
| didrocks | chrisccoulson: FYI, I tried again firefox4 and LP… still not a joy :/ | 11:09 |
| chrisccoulson | it's normally me who gets the blame isn't it? | 11:09 |
| chrisccoulson | didrocks, that sucks. however, they are planning to completely rewrite the drawing code in a future firefox version ;) | 11:10 |
| didrocks | chrisccoulson: well, as it's in "unity", it's "unity broke xxxx" (we get a non negligeable of such reports ;)) | 11:10 |
| didrocks | chrisccoulson: hope it will be done, I would prefer using our defaults ;) | 11:10 |
| micahg | chrisccoulson: are you still planning another upload to natty? I was going to stage the security update later today (could hold off till tomorrow) | 11:10 |
| chrisccoulson | micahg - there won't be another upload (too late) | 11:11 |
| micahg | chrisccoulson: :(, SRU? | 11:11 |
| chrisccoulson | and we'll need to fix bug 767966 in the next update | 11:11 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 767966 in firefox "globalmenu extension pollutes main window javascript scope" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/767966 | 11:11 |
| micahg | chrisccoulson: k, well, if you get the SRU team ACK, feel free to commit | 11:13 |
| chrisccoulson | didrocks, http://is.gd/YubTDn ;) | 11:14 |
| didrocks | chrisccoulson: oh nice, hopes the ball won't be dropped since :) | 11:16 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128, i fixed the nautilus errors btw ;) | 11:27 |
| chrisccoulson | https://code.launchpad.net/~chrisccoulson/ubuntuone-client/lp767825/+merge/58594 | 11:27 |
| chrisccoulson | simples :) | 11:27 |
| seb128 | bah, u1 again! | 11:27 |
| chrisccoulson | yep | 11:27 |
| seb128 | get didrocks to get the unity fix in for the next upload, likely to be a SRU since I'm not sure we want uploads to clean log spamming today | 11:29 |
| didrocks | seb128: this is a workaround, not a fix, Jason was relunctant to integrate it | 11:30 |
| didrocks | I asked him to look at it | 11:30 |
| chrisccoulson | why is it a workaround? | 11:30 |
| seb128 | ok | 11:30 |
| chrisccoulson | the issue is that the menuitems don't exist if the menu was never opened | 11:30 |
| didrocks | and asked him to answer, but seems the info was lost | 11:30 |
| chrisccoulson | so i just add a check for that | 11:30 |
| didrocks | chrisccoulson: look at the fixme you removed :) | 11:31 |
| chrisccoulson | didrocks, yeah, but the fixme seemed to be describing the issue that my change fixes | 11:31 |
| chrisccoulson | (ie, there are invalid pointers, because no menuitems exist) | 11:31 |
| didrocks | chrisccoulson: the ref should be destroyed before if they are invalid, I think that was Jason's point | 11:32 |
| didrocks | chrisccoulson: discuss that with him once he's back online. Anyway, will be in a SRU | 11:32 |
| Sweetshark | hmm: I get "start: Job failed to start" from the recent apport update ... | 11:41 |
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| ogra_ | Sweetshark, its probably already in easter holiday mood :) | 11:46 |
| mvo | seb128: are you happy with me doing #760707 as a SRU? | 12:30 |
| seb128 | mvo, yes, we will not get imports and translations before the langpack exports anyway | 12:37 |
| seb128 | brb | 12:37 |
| seb128 | re | 12:44 |
| seb128 | mvo, so patch piloting today? ;-) | 12:44 |
| mvo | seb128: yeah | 12:45 |
| mvo | seb128: I disagree about the importance too btw ;) for the i18n issue, but *shrug* | 12:45 |
| seb128 | mvo, yeah, my triaging scripts default to low and an overwrite those by hand usually when needed, I disagree with it as well so feel free to fix it ;-) | 12:46 |
| mvo | awsome! | 12:47 |
| * mvo sets it to whishlist | 12:47 | |
| didrocks | chrisccoulson: you worked with Jason on the thunderbird fix not kept in the launcher, isn't it? | 12:48 |
| mvo | just kidding, medium | 12:48 |
| seb128 | mvo, lol | 12:48 |
| seb128 | didrocks, you want to ruin his day saying the fix doesn't work? :-) | 12:48 |
| seb128 | mvo, thanks | 12:48 |
| didrocks | seb128: that's my greatest sadic pleasure, you know that!</kidding> :-) | 12:49 |
| didrocks | chrisccoulson: you should follow up on bug #765736 | 12:49 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 765736 in unity "Thunderbird won't stay in launcher and no quicklist" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/765736 | 12:49 |
| seb128 | bug #768243 as well btw | 12:49 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 768243 in unity "tvtime and some other applications can't be added in unity launcher" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/768243 | 12:49 |
| seb128 | didrocks, you marked miro as a duplicate you are sure it's the same issue? | 12:50 |
| didrocks | seb128: not sure, I was infering as it wasn't working before the fix, and I installed it to test the fix | 12:50 |
| didrocks | (and it works) | 12:50 |
| didrocks | btw, time to uninstall it, I don't use that :) | 12:50 |
| seb128 | ok | 12:50 |
| seb128 | I got quite some craps installed for testing purpose | 12:51 |
| didrocks | seb128: such a sacrifice! :-) | 12:51 |
| didrocks | anyway, need to reinstall my box once the first testing iso are published | 12:51 |
| didrocks | cleanswap will be needed here | 12:52 |
| seb128 | sometimes I wonder if installing the new version would be easier than upgrading | 12:52 |
| seb128 | less to download if you have the iso ;-) | 12:52 |
| chrisccoulson | didrocks, hmmm, will have another look in a bit. it certainly worked for me after applying the fix (and i tried with italian too) | 12:59 |
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| mterry | seb128, so in this last-minute rundown to 11.04, what's the best use of my time? Continue working on bugs for maybe SRUs, do ISO testing, upgrading testing? | 14:25 |
| seb128 | hey mterry | 14:25 |
| mterry | seb128, hi@ | 14:25 |
| seb128 | mterry, I think we are good for natty | 14:25 |
| mterry | ! even | 14:25 |
| ubot2 | Factoid 'even' not found | 14:25 |
| mterry | seb128, so confident! ;) | 14:25 |
| seb128 | lol | 14:26 |
| seb128 | I didn't say we are gold ;-) | 14:26 |
| seb128 | but remaining issues can be sorted in sru | 14:26 |
| mterry | seb128, OK so blueprint prep and such? | 14:26 |
| seb128 | I've no specific issue on my list but I might bounce a few bug worth fixing in srus on your list if I cross some | 14:26 |
| mterry | seb128, k | 14:27 |
| seb128 | so meanwhile you can do upgrade and iso testing, bug triage, blueprints start on merges for next cycle | 14:27 |
| seb128 | whatever you prefer ;-) | 14:27 |
| seb128 | I think current iso have ubiquity issues | 14:27 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: lol @ https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=647959 | 14:27 |
| seb128 | so maybe wait the next round for that | 14:27 |
| ubot2 | Mozilla bug 647959 in CA Certificates "Add Honest Achmed's root certificate" [Normal,Resolved: invalid] | 14:27 |
| didrocks | hey mterry | 14:27 |
| didrocks | zomg, pitti told "lol". /me shocked | 14:28 |
| mterry | didrocks, hello! | 14:28 |
| pitti | hey mterry | 14:28 |
| pitti | didrocks: this bug really deserves it, have a look :) | 14:28 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, mterry: why you guys write softwares that have several desktop entries? | 14:28 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - lol, where did you find that? | 14:29 |
| chrisccoulson | :-D | 14:29 |
| seb128 | like deja-dup has 2 icons in a dash search | 14:29 |
| seb128 | gwibber has 3 | 14:29 |
| kenvandine | :) | 14:29 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: it made it all the way up to heise.de | 14:29 |
| chrisccoulson | heh :) | 14:29 |
| kenvandine | seb128, with the dash that does make it more cluttered... | 14:29 |
| didrocks | pitti: excellent, I really like "Honest Achmed is at least more honest than Comodo." | 14:29 |
| kenvandine | we wanted them to be pretty separated, considering we want you to be able to configure the service with the client running | 14:30 |
| seb128 | pitti, do you think trivial bug fixes to not spam .xsession-errors with warning are worth an upload or are SRU material rather? | 14:30 |
| pitti | seb128: bring 'em on | 14:30 |
| mterry | seb128, well... deja-dup-preferences was written as a separate app from the main deja-dup executable. And so it needs its own .desktop file to be recognized by unity at all | 14:30 |
| pitti | seb128: well, for today it's fine anyway; probably not over Easter holidays any more | 14:31 |
| seb128 | mterry, is there any usecase to call it out of the deja-dup ui? | 14:31 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, dobey: can we get the nautilus gconf spamming fix uploaded? | 14:31 |
| mterry | seb128, it would be nice if unity let you say, "these two .desktop files are part of the same app" and join them | 14:31 |
| kenvandine | mterry, but not if you want them launchable independent of each other | 14:32 |
| Sweetshark | pitti: ooold, that was on heise yesterday already | 14:32 |
| pitti | Sweetshark: I know, but still funny ;) | 14:32 |
| seb128 | mterry, well either they are useful and should each be listed or not, I would tend to think that the preference dialog being a different binary is not something the user need to care about | 14:32 |
| mterry | kenvandine, well, even if they were launchable separate, it would be nice if you could tell unity to display them under the same "app" | 14:32 |
| kenvandine | if we get multiple actions in unity | 14:33 |
| mterry | seb128, I agree! But unity doesn't let you hide such technical details. It will show different execs as different entries | 14:33 |
| seb128 | mterry, NoDisplay=true? | 14:33 |
| mterry | seb128, I don't think that works once it's running... You are talking about from the Applications Lens? I thought you were talking Launcher | 14:33 |
| Sweetshark | pitti: I esp. like the "once we are too big to fail, we wont have to justify ourselves anyway" part | 14:33 |
| seb128 | mterry, what is the point in having a .desktop for it anyway? rather than just calling the command from the deja-dup ui? | 14:33 |
| pitti | Sweetshark: it's not funny because it's so true :-( | 14:34 |
| Sweetshark | yep | 14:34 |
| mterry | seb128, that was a baby step towards the more dramatic UI overhaul in Oneiric. The idea is that backup features could be seen as just a feature of the OS, and so should have an entry in your system settings. | 14:35 |
| mterry | seb128, in Oneiric it only lives in system settings | 14:35 |
| dobey | seb128: what nautilus gconf spamming fix? | 14:35 |
| seb128 | mterry, ok | 14:35 |
| seb128 | dobey, bug #767825 | 14:36 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 767825 in ubuntuone-client "nautilus plugin spamming ~/.xsession-errors" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/767825 | 14:36 |
| mterry | seb128, the application lens hides that a bit because it doesn't represent categories very well. so you just see two entries | 14:36 |
| seb128 | dobey, see chrisccoulson's merge request | 14:36 |
| seb128 | mterry, right, makes sense, you can see natty is close I'm spending time playing with things ;-) | 14:37 |
| mterry | heh | 14:38 |
| dobey | seb128, chrisccoulson: is that an issue on maverick as well? | 14:46 |
| seb128 | dobey, dunno but it's one of the spammers in natty | 14:46 |
| seb128 | so it would be nice to get it in | 14:46 |
| seb128 | dobey, I would say that if nobody complained in 10.10 yet we can do without fixing it there | 14:47 |
| seb128 | but I don't think it was doing that previous cycle, I think I would have noticed | 14:47 |
| dobey | that's odd, because that code has changed very little. | 14:48 |
| dobey | chrisccoulson: anyway, can you also make a branch against lp:ubuntuone-client/stable-1-6 with that change, and propose merging it into stable-1-6 as well; since that's the stable branch we're using for 11.04 | 14:49 |
| chrisccoulson | dobey, sure, can do | 14:49 |
| dobey | cheers | 14:50 |
| dobey | ah crap | 15:15 |
| dobey | chrisccoulson: btw, do i need to do the upload to ubuntu for that patch, or do you have privs to do it? | 15:19 |
| chrisccoulson | dobey, i'm not sure i can upload it | 15:19 |
| chrisccoulson | 1 second, i'll just check | 15:20 |
| dobey | ok | 15:20 |
| chrisccoulson | no, it doesn't look like i can upload that | 15:20 |
| dobey | ok | 15:21 |
| chrisccoulson | dobey, https://code.launchpad.net/~chrisccoulson/ubuntuone-client/lp767825-stable-1-6/+merge/58684 | 15:27 |
| seb128 | DBO, chrisccoulson: did you guys look at bug #757011? | 15:27 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 757011 in unity "Keep in launcher option for Emacs does not save over restarts" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/757011 | 15:27 |
| dobey | chrisccoulson: thanks | 15:28 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - when i tried it the other night, the launcher matching was working ok (I didn't see any issue with emacs) | 15:28 |
| chrisccoulson | i'll have a look again in a bit | 15:29 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, how, weird, it doesn't work here if I run emacs for the run a command or command line, it only works if I run it from the application place, which use gio on the .desktop which work...until you try to start it again by clicking the launcher icon | 15:29 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, emacs23 there btw | 15:29 |
| dobey | seb128: ubuntuone-client is in the upload queue with chrisccoulson's fix | 15:46 |
| seb128 | dobey, thanks! | 15:46 |
| seb128 | pitti, ^ | 15:46 |
| pitti | cheers | 15:47 |
| pitti | seb128: did cyphermox mess with your nm-applet, too? :-) | 15:58 |
| seb128 | pitti, no, but docking and undocking my laptop switches between wifi and eth, the dhcp gives me a new ip and irc reconnect... | 15:59 |
| seb128 | (I've been testing an unity bug) | 15:59 |
| cyphermox | seb128, I so need to figure out if this can be fixed somehow | 15:59 |
| seb128 | should be stable now ;-) | 15:59 |
| cyphermox | like, keepalive and stuff in some way to have irc stay online as much as possible, if your IP doesn't change too much | 16:00 |
| hosk | i don't get the unity panel, unity --reset produces http://pastebin.com/bH5SR8Ur , im in virtualbox, i have 3d accel enabled and the latest vb-guest additions, any thoughts or tips on how to search for a bug report that might already be filed? | 16:36 |
| hosk | preliminary research says it's unsupported GL, i'll see if i can install other drivers | 16:39 |
| fagan | em does apt.ubuntu.com know about natty yet? | 16:40 |
| fagan | its saying im not running ubuntu | 16:40 |
| fagan | :/ | 16:41 |
| fagan | (and it links from developer.ubuntu.com so it would be nice if our own links worked in our own distro) | 16:42 |
| hosk | guess i am already running all add'l drivers i can, i feel like i've seen others running unity panel in it | 16:42 |
| hosk | maybe i need specifically the OSE version of guest additions | 16:42 |
| chrisccoulson | oh, uploads are still being accepted for natty? | 16:46 |
| davmor2 | pitti: Yay my sansa fuse is showing up as a music player again thanks dude :) | 16:46 |
| chrisccoulson | fagan, which browser are you using? | 16:46 |
| pitti | davmor2: yippie | 16:46 |
| fagan | chrisccoulson: chrome | 16:46 |
| fagan | ahhhhh | 16:47 |
| fagan | thats why | 16:47 |
| chrisccoulson | yep | 16:47 |
| fagan | chrisccoulson: ooooh it doesnt work in firefox either on my machine | 16:48 |
| fagan | weird | 16:48 |
| chrisccoulson | fagan - that's bug 709125. it needs a server-side fix though | 16:48 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 709125 in apturlredirector "User agent doesn't include Ubuntu in it so apt.ubuntu.com doesn't work" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/709125 | 16:48 |
| fagan | chrisccoulson: ah ok | 16:48 |
| chrisccoulson | firefox sends out a X-Ubuntu header when accessing apt.ubuntu.com now | 16:49 |
| fagan | chrisccoulson: thats cool I was just wondering | 16:49 |
| chrisccoulson | i've still got no idea who really maintains apt.ubuntu.com. we should get them to fix it :) | 16:49 |
| fagan | I get why we moved from apturl but its good anyway | 16:50 |
| fagan | chrisccoulson: id say ask on rt | 16:50 |
| davmor2 | the snap to grid doesn't work with Control Centre. It you snapping it to the left you lose the one side and to the right it snaps back to the middle of to screen. | 16:50 |
| fagan | chrisccoulson: if we are going to link it on our developer website we kinda have to be able to use it :) | 16:51 |
| fagan | apturl at least worked for the ubuntu people everyone else got something weird but it worked | 16:52 |
| hosk | Window manager warning: Received a _NET_WM_MOVERESIZE message for 0x4401449 (hosk@hosk-); these messages lack timestamps and therefore suck. | 16:56 |
| hosk | i was generally just entertained by this message | 16:57 |
| chrisccoulson | hmmm, i guess i'm going to have to downgrade to firefox 4 for a bit :( | 17:03 |
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| hosk | i can't unity --replace because gnome-panel is all up in my junk | 17:36 |
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| didrocks | pitti: around? got a jockey question :) | 18:03 |
| pitti | didrocks: spotty | 18:13 |
| didrocks | pitti: well, we were discussing about blacklisting the nvidia driver 173 as we get one crash since the update and not sure if other cards work with it | 18:13 |
| didrocks | pitti: but we will rather add this support to the test tool it seems | 18:14 |
| chrisccoulson | BINGO! | 18:15 |
| chrisccoulson | i think i've just cracked an annoying firefox bug | 18:16 |
| chrisccoulson | damn you firefox sync | 18:16 |
| didrocks | pitti: do you know who will be there tomorrow to eventually acked the new nux upload? | 18:16 |
| pitti | didrocks: I think it depends on whether the driver is generally broken (then we'll disable it in jockey) or just in rare cases for unity (then we can check in the test tool) | 18:16 |
| pitti | didrocks: the american folks at least, i. e. skaet | 18:17 |
| didrocks | pitti: the thing is that we don't really know, and nobody tested it | 18:17 |
| didrocks | pitti: so blacklisting until the SRU seems the safest | 18:17 |
| pitti | didrocks: ok | 18:17 |
| didrocks | skaet: ready to ack an nux upload for blacklisting this case tomorrow? | 18:17 |
| pitti | didrocks: did you talk to tseliot about it already? | 18:17 |
| didrocks | pitti: this morning, right, but didn't think to ask if he tested it with unity (compiz alone works) | 18:18 |
| pitti | oh, interesting | 18:20 |
| pitti | didrocks: then we probably should also keep it for Kubuntu and classic users? | 18:20 |
| didrocks | pitti: yeah, the unity test tool to only blacklist it in the unity case sounds good | 18:21 |
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| didrocks | pitti: FYI, we are headed to a 0-day SRU to either blacklist the driver or fix the issue (and profit) | 18:47 |
| didrocks | as people need an internet connection to install the driver, there is a high chance they install the update as well | 18:47 |
| pitti | didrocks: yes, they'll install from natty-updates right away, unless they are using a DVD source | 18:50 |
| didrocks | pitti: so, seems quite safe to head for a 0-day SRU | 18:51 |
| pitti | didrocks: yes, I agree | 18:51 |
| didrocks | pitti: ok, let's go to that road then! Thanks for the feedback :) | 18:52 |
| skaet | pitti, didrocks, just back from lunch and read through the backscroll, yup, on standby for that blacklist update (and SRU path). | 18:54 |
| didrocks | nice :) | 18:54 |
| flacoste | hey folks, just a big thank you for your work on Natty, i've really enjoyed my 2.5 weeks with it so far | 18:55 |
| flacoste | works like a charm | 18:55 |
| pitti | kenvandine: why does it read the entire whitelist and then return true? it would be easier to return true right away? | 19:14 |
| kenvandine | i was keeping the diff small :) | 19:14 |
| kenvandine | i could change that though | 19:14 |
| pitti | kenvandine: it's an one-line change either way? | 19:15 |
| pitti | not a biggie, though | 19:15 |
| pitti | anyway, gotta run, have a nice Easter holidays everyone! | 19:15 |
| kenvandine | i guess it would still be one line | 19:15 |
| mvo | bye pitti | 19:15 |
| sabdfl | you guys have done a brilliant job with some really tough stretch goals this cycle | 19:22 |
| kenvandine | sabdfl, thx :) | 19:22 |
| sabdfl | thank you! | 19:22 |
| kenvandine | it's been fun though! | 19:22 |
| sabdfl | heh | 19:22 |
| kenvandine | sort of... hehe | 19:22 |
| sabdfl | hopefully, calmer fun in oneiric | 19:22 |
| kenvandine | indeed | 19:22 |
| sabdfl | now we have the foundations in place we are going to rock the planet | 19:22 |
| kenvandine | looking forward to that! | 19:23 |
| sabdfl | i'd like to see ubuntu go viral in 11.10 and 12.04, where people just start "doing it" on all their spare and primary computers | 19:23 |
| sabdfl | i think we can pull that off | 19:23 |
| kenvandine | that would be sweet | 19:23 |
| kenvandine | charging forward in fixing bug #1 | 19:23 |
| ubot2 | kenvandine: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1 (Not reporting large bug) | 19:23 |
| kenvandine | ha, funny... ubot2 refuses to talk about bug #1 | 19:24 |
| ubot2 | kenvandine: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1 (Not reporting large bug) | 19:24 |
| sabdfl | ubot2, you're a wimp | 19:26 |
| ubot2 | Factoid "you're a wimp" not found | 19:26 |
| sabdfl | exactly | 19:26 |
| kenvandine | :-D | 19:26 |
| JFo | sabdfl, I may have an O song mashup for your enjoyment in Budapest :-) | 19:27 |
| JFo | working on finishing it now | 19:27 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - there? | 19:33 |
| kenvandine | chrisccoulson, nope, he is gone | 19:33 |
| chrisccoulson | kenvandine, yeah, i thought so. i thought i would just try my luck anyway ;) | 19:34 |
| * bjf -> lunch | 19:35 | |
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| dobey | JFo: i'm sure i will be astonished by said mashup :) | 19:37 |
| kenvandine | JFo, looking forward to hearing it! | 19:41 |
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