[15:59] <NCommander> #startmeeting
[15:59] <MootBot> Meeting started at 09:59. The chair is NCommander.
[15:59] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[16:00] <NCommander> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2011/20110421
[16:00] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2011/20110421
[16:00]  * davidm thinks meetings are fun
[16:00] <NCommander> who's here?
[16:01] <ogra_> cocoroo
[16:01]  * GrueMaster is semi-conscious.  
[16:01] <NCommander> [topic] Action Item Review
[16:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  Action Item Review
[16:01] <NCommander> [topic] NCommander to poke cjwatson on soyuz archive skew plan
[16:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  NCommander to poke cjwatson on soyuz archive skew plan
[16:01] <NCommander> Done, got good link on how Debian handles this, will create spec and propose for UDS
[16:02] <NCommander> [topic] Standing Items
[16:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  Standing Items
[16:02]  * davidm is sleeping in his chair in Austin
[16:02] <NCommander> [topic] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel.html
[16:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel.html
[16:02] <ogra> NCommander, fix china :P
[16:03] <ogra> looks good to me
[16:03] <NCommander> [topic] Unity 2D Status
[16:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  Unity 2D Status
[16:04] <ogra> fine
[16:04] <ogra> nothing else to report ... uploaded a package with 20 bugfixes on tue.
[16:04] <janimo> hi
[16:04] <GrueMaster> Latest revision seems to be a good improvement.  No issues yet.
[16:04] <ogra> yay
[16:04] <ogra> there are still some known crashers
[16:04] <ogra> but they are SRUed already
[16:04]  * janimo started using U-2d on the desktop today
[16:05] <ogra> :)
[16:05] <ogra> do you like it ?
[16:05] <janimo> with such revolutionaly interfaces it's hard to tell what is a bug and what is a feature
[16:05] <janimo> it stays out of my weay so I like it
[16:05] <janimo> alt-tab has some funnies, I filed a bug o nit
[16:05] <ogra> it misses some shine and bling but behaves nearly the same as 3D
[16:06] <janimo> I thought I was using 3d until I ran ps ax and after filing the bugreport
[16:06] <ogra> but yeah, hard to know whats a feature and whats a bug atm :)
[16:06] <janimo> and was surprised it did not crash
[16:06] <janimo> now I know it is because it was not the 3d ui :)
[16:06] <JasonO> Hi. Is this the Ayatana  meeting?
[16:06] <janimo> JasonO, arm
[16:06] <GrueMaster> Can be somewhat irritating having the app menus on the status bar when using a 24" 1080p monitor and windowed apps.
[16:06] <NCommander> janimo: no, ARM
[16:07] <janimo> also dual screen may not yet be fully functional
[16:07] <JasonO> janimo thnk you
[16:07] <JasonO> *thanl
[16:07] <JasonO> thank
[16:07] <janimo> I have the panel on the right monitor, in blatant violation of the only Fitt's law I know
[16:07] <ogra> lol
[16:08] <ogra> anyway, move ?
[16:08] <NCommander> [topic] Kernel Status (cooloney, rsalveti)
[16:08] <MootBot> New Topic:  Kernel Status (cooloney, rsalveti)
[16:09] <rsalveti> not a lot to report on this for this week
[16:09] <rsalveti> kernel bugs should all be an sru now, and published after the release, as an update
[16:09] <ogra> ppisati_, ^^^
[16:10] <ogra> NCommander, ^
[16:10] <NCommander> [topic] ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo)
[16:10] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo)
[16:10] <rsalveti> I believe the main important bug now is the video sync lost, that ogra and GrueMaster were able to reproduce
[16:10] <ogra> yeah
[16:10] <janimo> nothing to report
[16:10] <ogra> well, there *might* be MMC issues
[16:10] <janimo> I do the usual giving back when new glib/gtk is uploaded
[16:10] <ogra> given the amount of failures GrueMaster has seen
[16:10] <rsalveti> ogra: yeah, from GrueMaster's report
[16:11] <GrueMaster> ogra: It only affects netbook.
[16:11] <janimo> other than that main looks fine
[16:11] <ogra> GrueMaster, well, maybe there is more IO load on netbook ;)
[16:11] <rsalveti> while testing I was never able to face these MMC issues, but will try at least more 2, 3 times
[16:11] <ogra> yeah, i havent seen them either
[16:12] <GrueMaster> Oddly enough, most of the errors I have seen have no indication in the logs.
[16:12] <ogra> GrueMaster, do you test with 8 and 16G as well ? (i thought so)
[16:12] <GrueMaster> 4, 8, 16.  Class 4, 6, 10
[16:12] <ogra> k
[16:12] <ogra> just because of the issues on the pandaboard ML
[16:13] <ogra> as long as thats covered ...
[16:13] <NCommander> [topic] ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander)
[16:13] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander)
[16:13] <ogra> really bad atm
[16:13] <GrueMaster> REALLY bad!
[16:13] <ogra> thanks to final uploads
[16:14] <GrueMaster> And out of date seed.
[16:14] <ogra> and due to the fact that our seeds were totally out of sync
[16:14] <ogra> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/natty-changes/2011-April/011679.html
[16:14] <ogra> i uploaded that today
[16:14]  * GrueMaster weeps
[16:15] <ogra> ginn, pitivi, overlay-scrollbars, tsclient and vinagre as well as baobab and brasero will need special attention
[16:15] <ogra> not sure how to test ginn
[16:15] <ogra> its a gesture app
[16:15] <ogra> so try jedi waves in front of your monitor or so
[16:15] <janimo> wave menacincly at it
[16:15] <janimo> if it does not break it is good
[16:16] <ogra> yeah :)
[16:16] <janimo> apparently ogra and I are from the same school of touch-QA
[16:16] <GrueMaster> I'm sure I can find a way to break it.
[16:16] <ogra> GrueMaster, keep that for may please :P
[16:17] <GrueMaster> :(
[16:17] <ogra> nothing more (thats bad enough news anyway)
[16:18] <ogra> NCommander, move unless there are questions
[16:18] <NCommander> [topic] QA Status (GrueMaster)
[16:18] <MootBot> New Topic:  QA Status (GrueMaster)
[16:18] <GrueMaster> Not much to report.  Currently engaged in getting UCM configured for omap3 (in between massive updates).
[16:18]  * ogra guesses he's still weeping
[16:18] <ogra> ah, no :)
[16:19] <GrueMaster> Netbook images have been broken last 3 days due to pool churn.
[16:19] <ogra> wont get better before tomorrow i fear
[16:19] <GrueMaster> Not much else to report.
[16:19] <GrueMaster> great.
[16:20]  * GrueMaster looks forward to another sunny weekend spent testing images in his office.
[16:20] <NCommander> [topic] AOB
[16:20] <MootBot> New Topic:  AOB
[16:20] <ogra> you clearly need a balcony
[16:20] <rsalveti> a new PVR driver was uploaded at the release PPA
[16:21] <rsalveti> if you are using gles stuff, please test
[16:21] <rsalveti> it's faster than previous one
[16:21] <janimo> rsalveti, will these make the archives ?
[16:21] <ogra> bug 736081 will be something we'll release with, if you see any weird bugs coming in after release, you should probably think of that one
[16:21] <rsalveti> janimo: probably not, I still need to incorporate some other changes
[16:21] <rsalveti> like xrandr and exa optimizations
[16:21] <ogra> (the title is misleading since its a gcc vs archive issue)
[16:22] <rsalveti> that are still being developed inside ti
[16:22] <janimo> rsalveti, ok. Is there no omap4 pvr in the archives now?
[16:22] <ogra> its in the ppa only
[16:22] <janimo> ok
[16:22] <rsalveti> janimo: no, just for omap 3
[16:23] <janimo> ogra, do they not upload gcc with the fix for natty?
[16:23] <GrueMaster> On that, why doesn't that get pulled in on omap3 images?
[16:23] <ogra> janimo, yes, but the whole archive is built with the option on
[16:23] <janimo> ogra, ah sure. I think we found the serious ones though
[16:24] <ogra> janimo, yeah, its just a plea for keeping the eyes open even after release
[16:24] <ogra> i think the same though
[16:24] <janimo> do we discuss the BP ideas in tonights team meeting?
[16:24] <ogra> david was very concerned about it though
[16:25] <janimo> the examples I saw (3 packages) almost all involved some sort of printf/vararg using functions
[16:25] <ogra> well, there might be more
[16:25] <ogra> using that
[16:25] <janimo> those are frequent but not every package uses them
[16:25] <ogra> right
[16:27] <NCommander> anything else or can I close?
[16:27] <NCommander> going once
[16:27] <NCommander> twice
[16:27] <NCommander> three times
[16:27] <NCommander> #endmeeting
[16:27] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 10:27.
[16:28] <ogra> moo
[16:28] <rsalveti> NCommander: and please, add ppisati at the kernel topic :-)
[16:29] <ogra> thats what i meant by pointing upwards before :)
[16:41] <JasonO_> What is the goal of this team?
[17:55] <pitti> mdz, kees: seems it might just be the three of us for today's meeting?
[17:56] <kees> pitti: it's in another hour, but I guess so?
[17:56] <pitti> urgh
[17:56] <kees> utc 1800
[17:56] <pitti> that thing seems to get later and later
[17:57] <pitti> I'm afraid I can't make that, or just for some 15 minutes
[17:57] <pitti> well, there's nothing on the ML, and nothing on the agenda, so it might actually just take 15 mins :)
[18:53] <beardygnome> charlie-tca: are you here?
[19:01] <sabdfl> evening all
[19:02] <pitti> good evening
[19:02] <czajkowski> aloha
[19:04] <kees> \o
[19:06] <pitti> no mdz?
[19:06] <pitti> do we have any topics at all?
[19:06] <pitti> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda
[19:07] <pitti> Rick's item is done, mdz's too
[19:07] <pitti> I finished the brainstorm review
[19:07] <sabdfl> methinks it's all clear
[19:07] <pitti> I also scanned the ML, nothing new
[19:07] <pitti> no new community bugs
[19:07] <sabdfl> ironic, since it's the first meeting i could make in months :-)
[19:07] <pitti> heh
[19:07] <pitti> looks like Easter holidays indeed
[19:08] <kees> heh
[19:10] <pitti> so, let's just carry this? I need to run now anyway
[19:10] <sabdfl> that's a wrap
[19:10] <pitti> I updated the wiki page for 2011-05-05
[19:11] <pitti> yay UDS in-person meeting \o/
[19:11] <pitti> happy Easter holidays everyone then!
[19:11] <sabdfl> looking forward to that
[19:11] <sabdfl> cheers!
[19:11] <czajkowski> shortest meeting ever
[19:12] <pitti> heh
[19:16] <Keybuk> *cough* sorry, timezone
[20:01]  * charlie-tca waves
[20:03]  * micahg waves
[20:06] <charlie-tca> Do you remember what mr_pouit thought about changing the meeting day?
[20:07] <charlie-tca> How many are here for the Xubuntu Community Meeting?
[20:08] <charlie-tca> micahg: If I can make sure mr_pouit is okay with Mondays, I am going to move the meetings to Monday at 19:00 UTC, I think, starting with the next cycle.
[20:10] <charlie-tca> Well, for anyone here for the Xubuntu Meeting, we are postponing it. I will send a message to the ML about the rescheduled m,ee
[20:10] <charlie-tca> meeting
[20:10] <micahg> charlie-tca: is fine with me, I have a meeting at 17:00/18:00 UTC
[20:10] <charlie-tca> I haven't actually checked the fridge yet, so that is tentative. It seems to be a good day, though
[20:11] <micahg> charlie-tca: nope, DMB has that slot every other week
[20:11] <charlie-tca> The only thing I have for today is discussion of the meeting times, and to announce the Natty is coming out next week.
[20:13] <charlie-tca> hm, much as I dislike it, maybe move us to 18:00 UTC then?
[20:14] <micahg> charlie-tca: that will work until the clock changes in the US, then it'll conflict with the security team
[20:14] <charlie-tca> That s lunch time in Pacific and Mountain time zones, but ...
[20:14] <pleia2> pretty much unavoidable
[20:15] <charlie-tca> I thought security was on UTC?
[20:15] <micahg> charlie-tca: nope, noon central time US
[20:15] <charlie-tca> Then it will move with the time changes, won't it?
[20:16] <charlie-tca> central changes same as the rest of the US
[20:16] <micahg> charlie-tca: then it'll be 18:00 UTC :)
[20:16] <charlie-tca> No, we are already in Daylight Saving time, next change we go back one hour
[20:16] <charlie-tca> oh
[20:17] <charlie-tca> they stay at noon Central time...
[20:17] <charlie-tca> Okay, we will take another gander at the time slots
[20:18] <charlie-tca> Still got 21:00 open
[20:19] <charlie-tca> Maybe we can switch it around, between 18:00 or 19:00 and 21:00 UTC?
[20:20] <charlie-tca> Or, if we find a time that works well, I can get a logging bot in #xubuntu-devel and hold them there