| Kr0nZ | nvm fixed it, i had 2 video sources setup | 00:05 |
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| jjkoletar | Hey, I just setup a box to be my dedicated mythbackend, but now when I try to use mythbackend, it can't find any UPnP backends (on the backend machine itself) | 01:38 |
| Muzer | right, something very odd is going on with my Mythbuntu installation and I'm determined to get to the bottom of it. | 13:09 |
| Muzer | Something is setting $LANG, $LANGUAGE, etc. to invalid values (like en_GB and en_GB:en rather than en_GB.utf8) | 13:09 |
| Muzer | I'm not 100% what, but I can hazard a guess that it's mythtv. The only config-looking file in my home directory or /etc that contains those values is .dmrc | 13:10 |
| Muzer | I've changed it in there, but it changes back every restart of X | 13:10 |
| Muzer | I then tried setting it read-only, but it got given write permissions | 13:10 |
| Muzer | I finally set it to immutable (chattr +i), but though the file didn't change, the incorrect values were still getting set | 13:10 |
| Muzer | and I still have no real clue what's causing it | 13:10 |
| mycoDA | muzer i very much doubt it is myth - it doesnt set locale | 14:26 |
| Muzer | mycoDA: when I was on the older version of Myth (the one in the main repo, I forget what it is), it did let me change it in .dmrc without it changing back, but it displayed "en_GB.utf8" in the language options for mythTV instead of the full name, once I had changed it | 15:10 |
| Muzer | then when I updated, changing it in .dmrc is no longer effective | 15:11 |
| Muzer | that's why I think it's Myth changing it... | 15:11 |
| mycoDA | so you changed dozens of things - and think it must be myth? that about right? | 15:12 |
| Muzer | I didn't change dozens of things | 15:12 |
| Muzer | As I said, I could only find one thing to change (.dmrc) | 15:13 |
| Muzer | and the language option in Myth itself | 15:13 |
| Muzer | of course, I'm not thinking it MUST be Myth - Myth just seemed like the strongest possibility to me. | 15:14 |
| Muzer | It could be anything else. | 15:14 |
| Muzer | (On a random note - how would you get things (eg an xrandr command to correct the DPI sent incorrectly by the monitor) to run at startup in Mythbuntu? I tried a few of the normal methods suggested on the Ubuntu wiki, none seemed to work) | 15:15 |
| mycoDA | i mean when you updated myth there would have been doaens of things at the same time | 15:15 |
| mycoDA | ~/.xsessionrc works for me | 15:16 |
| Muzer | ah, thanks | 15:16 |
| Muzer | I believe the Ubuntu wiki said ~/.xprofile | 15:16 |
| mycoDA | i have nvidia-settings in there, also start my eggdrop there | 15:16 |
| Muzer | as a workaround, assuming .xsessionrc gets run after whatever changes the locale (which may not be the case, but I may as well), would it be acceptable as a workaround just to export LANG, LANGUAGE, LC_ALL, etc. to the correct values in that file, too? Or would that not work? | 15:17 |
| mycoDA | i would just find the RIGHT way to set it | 15:18 |
| Muzer | yeah | 15:18 |
| Muzer | that's what I've been searching for ;) | 15:18 |
| Muzer | the main irritation is that I can't enter non-ASCII characters into xfce4-terminal... | 15:19 |
| mycoDA | which version is this? | 15:20 |
| Muzer | 10.10 | 15:20 |
| Muzer | with Myth 0.24 | 15:20 |
| mycoDA | am on 10.04 with 0.24fixes myself | 15:21 |
| mycoDA | Lucid is an LTS - lot of people sticking with it | 15:22 |
| mycoDA | have you checked /etc/default/locale , or is that where you are setting it? | 15:24 |
| mycoDA | Muzer | 15:27 |
| mycoDA | http://myotragusbalearicus.wordpress.com/2011/01/28/howto-change-the-locale-in-ubuntu/ | 15:27 |
| Zinn | [myotragusbalearicus.wordpress.com] Howto change the locale in ubuntu « Blog about cooking, technology and something else | 15:27 |
| Muzer | mycoDA: /etc/default/locale has the correct locale | 15:29 |
| Muzer | LANG="en_GB.UTF-8" | 15:29 |
| Muzer | I'll give that a try, though | 15:30 |
| mycoDA | what does /etc/environment say? anything about locale? | 15:32 |
| mycoDA | (shouldnt | 15:32 |
| Muzer | aha | 15:35 |
| mycoDA | ? | 15:35 |
| Muzer | for some reason LANG wasn't being set if it was the only one specified in /etc/default/locale :/ | 15:35 |
| Muzer | I had to specify LC_ALL and LANGUAGE as well | 15:35 |
| mycoDA | uhuh | 15:36 |
| Muzer | yeah | 15:36 |
| mycoDA | should be about the only thing in /etc/default/locale | 15:36 |
| Muzer | a bit weird :P | 15:36 |
| mycoDA | mycosys@mycomyth:~$ cat /etc/default/locale | 15:36 |
| mycoDA | LANG="en_AU.UTF-8" | 15:36 |
| mycoDA | mycosys@mycomyth:~$ | 15:36 |
| Muzer | huh... | 15:36 |
| Muzer | well, it appears to work now | 15:36 |
| Muzer | :/ | 15:36 |
| Muzer | .xsessionrc didn't work... is it supposed to be +x? | 15:36 |
| Muzer | and/or have #!/bin/bash at the top? | 15:37 |
| mycoDA | mycosys@mycomyth:~$ ls .xsession* | 15:37 |
| mycoDA | -rw------- 1 mycosys mycosys 6709 2011-04-22 00:21 .xsession-errors | 15:37 |
| mycoDA | -rw------- 1 mycosys mycosys 4186 2011-04-15 12:13 .xsession-errors.old | 15:37 |
| Muzer | :/ | 15:37 |
| Muzer | <mycoDA> ~/.xsessionrc works for me | 15:37 |
| mycoDA | mycosys@mycomyth:~$ cat .xsessionrc | 15:38 |
| mycoDA | #! /bin/bash | 15:38 |
| mycoDA | #xsessionrc created by mycosys 26/3/2011 | 15:38 |
| Muzer | oh, right | 15:38 |
| mycoDA | keyboard is set in xfce4 | 15:38 |
| Muzer | keyboard? Huh? | 15:39 |
| mycoDA | you can set keyboard type via gui in xfce4 | 15:40 |
| Muzer | what's that got to do with anything? :P | 15:40 |
| Muzer | hmm, I made .xsessionrc executable and added the shebang line, yet it still doesn't appear to be being executed on boot... | 15:40 |
| Muzer | or if it is, something else is overriding the DPI afterwards, for some reason... | 15:41 |
| mycoDA | is an aspect of language that may have been affecting you | 15:41 |
| mycoDA | have you set up xorg.conf? | 15:41 |
| mycoDA | no - tere is an xfce4 thing for dpi | 15:42 |
| Muzer | yeah, but it's only one value | 15:42 |
| Muzer | whereas the DPI is being set to a non-square value | 15:42 |
| Muzer | (128x96 to be precise, when it's supposed to be square) | 15:42 |
| mycoDA | odd | 15:43 |
| mycoDA | would kinda love to do that actually | 15:43 |
| Muzer | what, have a monitor with non-square pixels? | 15:43 |
| mycoDA | i already do | 15:43 |
| mycoDA | would like the system to know that lol | 15:43 |
| mycoDA | 56" rearprojection, not really a monitor | 15:44 |
| mycoDA | in /etc/default/console-setup what is your charmap set to? | 15:45 |
| Muzer | UTF-8 | 15:45 |
| Muzer | it appears to be working now, anyway | 15:45 |
| Muzer | as I said, I just needed to set LC_ALL and LANGUAGE in /etc/default/locale | 15:45 |
| Muzer | for some reason :P | 15:45 |
| mycoDA | did u get .xsessionrc happenin? | 15:45 |
| mycoDA | odd | 15:45 |
| Muzer | no, .xsessionrc is still not being run | 15:46 |
| Muzer | I may as well just create an xorg.conf... | 15:46 |
| mycoDA | you need one if you plan to underclock your nvidia card lol | 15:48 |
| mycoDA | should also be switchin off compositing in there if ur using nv | 15:48 |
| mycoDA | gah - not nv - nvidia | 15:49 |
| Muzer | unforutunately it's an ATi card in this one | 15:52 |
| Muzer | I'm planning on buying a PCI NVIDIA one for VDPAU (it's an old AGP system, and no AGP cards support VDPAU) | 15:53 |
| mycoDA | there is a PCI one that does, but is a bad idea | 15:54 |
| mycoDA | just for reference, ATI + myth = pain | 15:55 |
| Muzer | well, I got this computer for free, and I don't care about using it for anything other than watching video | 16:00 |
| Muzer | so as long as it can handle the same video as my desktop's one (which according to the VDPAU feature sets at least, it can), it should be fine | 16:00 |
| mycoDA | yeah - but PCI cant | 16:03 |
| mycoDA | if VDPAU fails there isnt enough bandwidth to the card to software render and blit it | 16:04 |
| Muzer | yeah, I was wondering about that... someone told me that it should work OK, but I wasn't fully convinced... | 16:07 |
| Muzer | of course, I wouldn't be watching HD video without VDPAU | 16:10 |
| Muzer | as I don't believe the CPU could cope | 16:10 |
| Muzer | but I would potentially be watching DVD-quality stuff without it | 16:11 |
| mycoDA | have been advised by far those far more qualified than i (inc a software engineer) that it is a bad ideA | 16:12 |
| Muzer | hmm... | 16:12 |
| mycoDA | given how epically cheap an athlon2 and mobo are....... not worth payin $90 for a PCI 8400 when that will cover a mobo and cpu, $30 more for a gt210 | 16:13 |
| Muzer | not planning on paying $90 ;) | 16:13 |
| mycoDA | 1G RAM if you need it is about $20 | 16:13 |
| mycoDA | is what they cost, or more | 16:13 |
| Muzer | I've potentially found one that won't cost that much... | 16:14 |
| mycoDA | the pci ones are stupidly pricey | 16:14 |
| Muzer | I just have to hope nobody else finds it :P | 16:14 |
| mycoDA | kk - dont think too many would want it | 16:14 |
| Muzer | the PCI ones are presumably pricey because people want them for third monitors, or whatever | 16:14 |
| mycoDA | good for driving extra screens on a trader machine, not much else | 16:14 |
| Muzer | (does that even work?) | 16:14 |
| Muzer | yeah | 16:14 |
| mycoDA | uhuh | 16:14 |
| mycoDA | i tend to buy sli boards instead | 16:15 |
| Muzer | when you go fullscreen in mplayer, for example, is all the scaling done by software? Or is the original (decoded) video sent to the GPU which then scales it? | 16:15 |
| mycoDA | depends on how you are doing it | 16:19 |
| Muzer | the sane way, whatever that may be ;) | 16:20 |
| mycoDA | not sure which of the renderers scale in hardware and which do it only in software | 16:20 |
| Muzer | I would have assumed things like xv scale in hardware... | 16:20 |
| mycoDA | depends then if the card can | 16:20 |
| mycoDA | and depends if the codec supports that renderer lol | 16:21 |
| mycoDA | and no - i dont really know which do and dont | 16:21 |
| Muzer | well | 16:21 |
| Muzer | if I can get a card for reasonably cheap, I'll find out if it'll work and report back ;) | 16:22 |
| mycoDA | xv supports hardware scaling, so any modern card should | 16:24 |
| mycoDA | but srsly - i would strongly recommend a quicker machine | 16:24 |
| mycoDA | partly for the sake of the database, esp if you have a lot of channels (we only have 15 FTA, but Pay tv onto that and you would likely have trouble) | 16:25 |
| mycoDA | better get to bed - way late lol | 16:29 |
| mycoDA | good luck :) | 16:29 |
| qwebirc28456 | Hey guys, I'm having a problem with MOTD that just starting appearing in the past 3 or 4 days or so. when I ssh into my box, the motd tells me I have updates available. However, when I run apt-get, there are none. Even when there /are/ updates available, and I apply them -- motd still tells me the same: 56 can be updated, 18 security updates. Any thoughts? | 17:10 |
| kees | qwebirc28456: double-check that /etc/motd.tail doesn't accidentally have an old release's motd in it | 17:58 |
| kees | qwebirc28456: and you can forcibly re-generate the motd by running this as root: run-parts --lsbsysinit /etc/update-motd.d > /var/run/motd | 18:00 |
| qwebirc28456 | hrm, as root I still get a /var/run/motd permission denied? | 18:01 |
| mrand | qwebirc28456: you used sudo? What does this show? ls -l /var/run/motd | 18:14 |
| qwebirc28456 | yep. hang tight. was running a backup let me let that finish real fast | 18:18 |
| qwebirc28456 | sudo run-parts --lsbsysinit /etc/update-motd.d > /var/run/motd | 18:19 |
| qwebirc28456 | -bash: /var/run/motd: Permission denied | 18:19 |
| qwebirc28456 | ls -l /var/run/motd | 18:19 |
| qwebirc28456 | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 181 2011-04-21 11:19 /var/run/motd | 18:20 |
| qwebirc28456 | bizarre... | 18:20 |
| superm1 | qwebirc28456, you can't use > with sudo | 18:58 |
| superm1 | you'll need to use something like tee | 18:59 |
| superm1 | run-parts --lsbsysinit /etc/update-motd.d | sudo tee /var/run/motd | 18:59 |
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