[00:05] nvm fixed it, i had 2 video sources setup [01:38] Hey, I just setup a box to be my dedicated mythbackend, but now when I try to use mythbackend, it can't find any UPnP backends (on the backend machine itself) [13:09] right, something very odd is going on with my Mythbuntu installation and I'm determined to get to the bottom of it. [13:09] Something is setting $LANG, $LANGUAGE, etc. to invalid values (like en_GB and en_GB:en rather than en_GB.utf8) [13:10] I'm not 100% what, but I can hazard a guess that it's mythtv. The only config-looking file in my home directory or /etc that contains those values is .dmrc [13:10] I've changed it in there, but it changes back every restart of X [13:10] I then tried setting it read-only, but it got given write permissions [13:10] I finally set it to immutable (chattr +i), but though the file didn't change, the incorrect values were still getting set [13:10] and I still have no real clue what's causing it [14:26] muzer i very much doubt it is myth - it doesnt set locale [15:10] mycoDA: when I was on the older version of Myth (the one in the main repo, I forget what it is), it did let me change it in .dmrc without it changing back, but it displayed "en_GB.utf8" in the language options for mythTV instead of the full name, once I had changed it [15:11] then when I updated, changing it in .dmrc is no longer effective [15:11] that's why I think it's Myth changing it... [15:12] so you changed dozens of things - and think it must be myth? that about right? [15:12] I didn't change dozens of things [15:13] As I said, I could only find one thing to change (.dmrc) [15:13] and the language option in Myth itself [15:14] of course, I'm not thinking it MUST be Myth - Myth just seemed like the strongest possibility to me. [15:14] It could be anything else. [15:15] (On a random note - how would you get things (eg an xrandr command to correct the DPI sent incorrectly by the monitor) to run at startup in Mythbuntu? I tried a few of the normal methods suggested on the Ubuntu wiki, none seemed to work) [15:15] i mean when you updated myth there would have been doaens of things at the same time [15:16] ~/.xsessionrc works for me [15:16] ah, thanks [15:16] I believe the Ubuntu wiki said ~/.xprofile [15:16] i have nvidia-settings in there, also start my eggdrop there [15:17] as a workaround, assuming .xsessionrc gets run after whatever changes the locale (which may not be the case, but I may as well), would it be acceptable as a workaround just to export LANG, LANGUAGE, LC_ALL, etc. to the correct values in that file, too? Or would that not work? [15:18] i would just find the RIGHT way to set it [15:18] yeah [15:18] that's what I've been searching for ;) [15:19] the main irritation is that I can't enter non-ASCII characters into xfce4-terminal... [15:20] which version is this? [15:20] 10.10 [15:20] with Myth 0.24 [15:21] am on 10.04 with 0.24fixes myself [15:22] Lucid is an LTS - lot of people sticking with it [15:24] have you checked /etc/default/locale , or is that where you are setting it? [15:27] Muzer [15:27] http://myotragusbalearicus.wordpress.com/2011/01/28/howto-change-the-locale-in-ubuntu/ [15:27] [myotragusbalearicus.wordpress.com] Howto change the locale in ubuntu « Blog about cooking, technology and something else [15:29] mycoDA: /etc/default/locale has the correct locale [15:29] LANG="en_GB.UTF-8" [15:30] I'll give that a try, though [15:32] what does /etc/environment say? anything about locale? [15:32] (shouldnt [15:35] aha [15:35] ? [15:35] for some reason LANG wasn't being set if it was the only one specified in /etc/default/locale :/ [15:35] I had to specify LC_ALL and LANGUAGE as well [15:36] uhuh [15:36] yeah [15:36] should be about the only thing in /etc/default/locale [15:36] a bit weird :P [15:36] mycosys@mycomyth:~$ cat /etc/default/locale [15:36] LANG="en_AU.UTF-8" [15:36] mycosys@mycomyth:~$ [15:36] huh... [15:36] well, it appears to work now [15:36] :/ [15:36] .xsessionrc didn't work... is it supposed to be +x? [15:37] and/or have #!/bin/bash at the top? [15:37] mycosys@mycomyth:~$ ls .xsession* [15:37] -rw------- 1 mycosys mycosys 6709 2011-04-22 00:21 .xsession-errors [15:37] -rw------- 1 mycosys mycosys 4186 2011-04-15 12:13 .xsession-errors.old [15:37] :/ [15:37] ~/.xsessionrc works for me [15:38] mycosys@mycomyth:~$ cat .xsessionrc [15:38] #! /bin/bash [15:38] #xsessionrc created by mycosys 26/3/2011 [15:38] oh, right [15:38] keyboard is set in xfce4 [15:39] keyboard? Huh? [15:40] you can set keyboard type via gui in xfce4 [15:40] what's that got to do with anything? :P [15:40] hmm, I made .xsessionrc executable and added the shebang line, yet it still doesn't appear to be being executed on boot... [15:41] or if it is, something else is overriding the DPI afterwards, for some reason... [15:41] is an aspect of language that may have been affecting you [15:41] have you set up xorg.conf? [15:42] no - tere is an xfce4 thing for dpi [15:42] yeah, but it's only one value [15:42] whereas the DPI is being set to a non-square value [15:42] (128x96 to be precise, when it's supposed to be square) [15:43] odd [15:43] would kinda love to do that actually [15:43] what, have a monitor with non-square pixels? [15:43] i already do [15:43] would like the system to know that lol [15:44] 56" rearprojection, not really a monitor [15:45] in /etc/default/console-setup what is your charmap set to? [15:45] UTF-8 [15:45] it appears to be working now, anyway [15:45] as I said, I just needed to set LC_ALL and LANGUAGE in /etc/default/locale [15:45] for some reason :P [15:45] did u get .xsessionrc happenin? [15:45] odd [15:46] no, .xsessionrc is still not being run [15:46] I may as well just create an xorg.conf... [15:48] you need one if you plan to underclock your nvidia card lol [15:48] should also be switchin off compositing in there if ur using nv [15:49] gah - not nv - nvidia [15:52] unforutunately it's an ATi card in this one [15:53] I'm planning on buying a PCI NVIDIA one for VDPAU (it's an old AGP system, and no AGP cards support VDPAU) [15:54] there is a PCI one that does, but is a bad idea [15:55] just for reference, ATI + myth = pain [16:00] well, I got this computer for free, and I don't care about using it for anything other than watching video [16:00] so as long as it can handle the same video as my desktop's one (which according to the VDPAU feature sets at least, it can), it should be fine [16:03] yeah - but PCI cant [16:04] if VDPAU fails there isnt enough bandwidth to the card to software render and blit it [16:07] yeah, I was wondering about that... someone told me that it should work OK, but I wasn't fully convinced... [16:10] of course, I wouldn't be watching HD video without VDPAU [16:10] as I don't believe the CPU could cope [16:11] but I would potentially be watching DVD-quality stuff without it [16:12] have been advised by far those far more qualified than i (inc a software engineer) that it is a bad ideA [16:12] hmm... [16:13] given how epically cheap an athlon2 and mobo are....... not worth payin $90 for a PCI 8400 when that will cover a mobo and cpu, $30 more for a gt210 [16:13] not planning on paying $90 ;) [16:13] 1G RAM if you need it is about $20 [16:13] is what they cost, or more [16:14] I've potentially found one that won't cost that much... [16:14] the pci ones are stupidly pricey [16:14] I just have to hope nobody else finds it :P [16:14] kk - dont think too many would want it [16:14] the PCI ones are presumably pricey because people want them for third monitors, or whatever [16:14] good for driving extra screens on a trader machine, not much else [16:14] (does that even work?) [16:14] yeah [16:14] uhuh [16:15] i tend to buy sli boards instead [16:15] when you go fullscreen in mplayer, for example, is all the scaling done by software? Or is the original (decoded) video sent to the GPU which then scales it? [16:19] depends on how you are doing it [16:20] the sane way, whatever that may be ;) [16:20] not sure which of the renderers scale in hardware and which do it only in software [16:20] I would have assumed things like xv scale in hardware... [16:20] depends then if the card can [16:21] and depends if the codec supports that renderer lol [16:21] and no - i dont really know which do and dont [16:21] well [16:22] if I can get a card for reasonably cheap, I'll find out if it'll work and report back ;) [16:24] xv supports hardware scaling, so any modern card should [16:24] but srsly - i would strongly recommend a quicker machine [16:25] partly for the sake of the database, esp if you have a lot of channels (we only have 15 FTA, but Pay tv onto that and you would likely have trouble) [16:29] better get to bed - way late lol [16:29] good luck :) [17:10] Hey guys, I'm having a problem with MOTD that just starting appearing in the past 3 or 4 days or so. when I ssh into my box, the motd tells me I have updates available. However, when I run apt-get, there are none. Even when there /are/ updates available, and I apply them -- motd still tells me the same: 56 can be updated, 18 security updates. Any thoughts? [17:58] qwebirc28456: double-check that /etc/motd.tail doesn't accidentally have an old release's motd in it [18:00] qwebirc28456: and you can forcibly re-generate the motd by running this as root: run-parts --lsbsysinit /etc/update-motd.d > /var/run/motd [18:01] hrm, as root I still get a /var/run/motd permission denied? [18:14] qwebirc28456: you used sudo? What does this show? ls -l /var/run/motd [18:18] yep. hang tight. was running a backup let me let that finish real fast [18:19] sudo run-parts --lsbsysinit /etc/update-motd.d > /var/run/motd [18:19] -bash: /var/run/motd: Permission denied [18:19] ls -l /var/run/motd [18:20] -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 181 2011-04-21 11:19 /var/run/motd [18:20] bizarre... [18:58] qwebirc28456, you can't use > with sudo [18:59] you'll need to use something like tee [18:59] run-parts --lsbsysinit /etc/update-motd.d | sudo tee /var/run/motd