[00:00] so? ain't a problem in a backpack. [00:00] !ping [00:00] Here I am, brain the size of a planet and they ask me to respond to factoid requests. Call that job satisfaction? Because I don't. [00:02] ali1234: if I want light weight that's where my future tablet pc comes in :D [00:02] and lighter than that, my phone === tubadaz is now known as tubadaz_away === tubadaz_away is now known as tubadaz [00:19] anyone know why i'd be getting "Dead loop on virtual device he-ipv6, fix it urgently!" ? [00:32] Hi, I've got a strange problem with 11.04. The proprietary drivers wont seem to load correctly. It says the driver is activated, but not currently in use. [00:32] ubuntu-server hates me :( [00:33] it can't be because of a amd64 build instead of a i386 build can it... [00:33] apport is causing errors as well, and I'm assuming it has something to do with it [00:33] i'm pretty darn sure its 64-bit gear [00:34] glxinfo | grep renderer [00:34] OpenGL renderer string: GeForce 8600 GTS/PCI/SSE2 [00:34] rick_rolling: interesting name :/ also, i'd love to help but i haven't used 11.04 much [00:34] shouldn't that be nvidia? [00:34] HazRPG: no problem [00:35] Well, I assumed 11.04 would be pretty stable by beta 2, but it seems I was wrong [00:36] doesn't really look like its ready for release this month does it [00:37] invoke-rc.d: initscript apport, action "start" failed. <--- apport seems to have something to do with it I think :( [00:38] oh, well, back to 10.10. Serves me right for trying a beta :( [00:55] To LVM or not to LVM? [00:56] or rather... to VLM or VLM+Encrypt or not... [00:56] That is the question.... [00:57] I'm installing ubuntu server :) [00:57] migrating my old windows box to linux basically [00:57] How much room for expansion do you have? [00:57] its got 2x80GB Hard Drives on it [00:57] and what are you going to use it for? Will you need to add extra HDD's to the box? [00:58] Raid? [00:58] possibly in the future [00:58] no its not raided [00:58] it was on offer from DELL about 4-5 years ago [00:59] came with 2x80GB hard drives... so the obvious thing was it was designed to be raided, but i never did [00:59] its got space for more RAM too [00:59] I have a server and I don't LVM and although I had grand plans for it so far after a what feels like a life time I haven't expanded it in any direction. [01:00] heh, i've had mine 4-5 years so I know the feeling :P [01:01] got fed up with updates being a pain, so decided its time to switch to ubuntu server [01:01] My advice would be get used to using ubuntu server and see how it works. That has worked for me [01:01] esp now that i'm more familiar with the terminal :) [01:01] Its the way to go.... [01:01] ah, i've been using ubuntu-server as a VM inside of the windows server O/S for about 5 months now [01:01] so, its time for the migrate now :) [01:02] just unsure if LVM is the way forward or not... or even if encrypting it is a must or not either [01:02] Its fun for sure. I have a server running here just for downloads. [01:03] ah see I for last few months i've been using mine for IPv6, and since I got it for httpd [01:03] along with teamspeak (more recently mumble), etc [01:03] so mine gets some fair use [01:04] plan to do some dhcp and firewall stuff soon too [01:04] and also move from SVN to git [01:05] Nice, mine, well much simpler... [01:05] cos I never really knew the difference between SVN/Git/Bzr/etc [01:05] so I just went for one with a GUI [01:05] but i'm older and wiser now and realised SVN is just soooooo crap [01:06] I'd like to use it as a NAS for my XBMC and OSX TimeMachine. Thats my goal, gurrently I use FreeNAS but thats not much of a challenge. [01:06] LOL! [01:06] heh, yeah I keep meaning to setup a NAS too :P [01:07] this whole time I've just had it serving music and stuff via WMP... but even that fails sometimes [01:07] sod it, sticking to what i know best... [01:08] MANUAL! [01:09] My ideal would be NAS with DL & TimeMachine. But to migrate from freenas to Ubuntu would take too long and the Backups are no.1 priority. I could do with another box to setup while I configure everything. Then swap it out. [01:10] VMs help with that, thats what i've been doing [01:10] scumbag: So what do you use for your server? [01:10] guessing ubuntu server, but hey I could be wrong :P [01:11] Currently I have a freenas box but along side that there is a very small itx box running ubuntu. It doesn't get used for much just http [01:12] The freenas box dose the bulk... but as I said it's not much of a challenge or learning curve so I want to replace freenas with ubuntu. [01:13] ... and build the NAS from Ubuntu. I need AFP and TimeMachine. [01:16] indeed [01:17] think for a server, its a bit overkill to have partitions for /boot and / (different partitions i mean) [01:17] ?* [01:18] normally I would have /boot, /, /home, swap - but somehow I think for a server /boot, /, swap will be fine [01:19] My freenas box has 6 HDD's in three raid 1 arrays. All formatted in UDF the BSD format so it's not going to be easy for me. Another reason it hasn't happened as yet. [01:19] ouch [01:20] that will be a bit of a pain [01:20] If your box gets hacked and only having / gives the hacker plent of room to use. making partitions for home tmp var usr will help but i's a little more to manage [01:21] I have a very long to do list.... [01:22] your not the only one :P [01:22] LOL! [01:23] wait hang on... even if i have different partitions for home tmp var usr... they'll still be able to access it the same way surely... [01:23] because if they've got into / means they've managed to get root access... right? [01:24] But when they are full with whatever they will not bring your box down. If you have one partion for / and some one fills your tmp it will fill the entire drive. [01:25] good point [01:25] But if you have excelent UFW skills then you'll be able to keep em out. Assuming ofcourse it's internet facing? [01:26] it is, but only for http [01:27] Then perhaps you should create a partition just for www too? Or chroot your www setup [01:27] hmm [01:28] (partitioning always explodes my mind...) [01:28] My headache is always how much space to I give for the os? [01:28] same [01:29] I think i've got it done for desktop [01:29] The rest is not so much of a problem but update and upgrades only ever get bigger. [01:29] I always give desktop no more than 15GB [01:29] however for a server........ now thats a different question S: [01:32] So back to LVM. You can resize your partitions if you have LVM on top of them. Which solves that problem but adds to the learning curve. [01:37] hmm [01:37] indeed [01:38] So, headaches all round... Plenty to think about. [01:38] indeed, and i was hoping to get this installed tonight too :/ lol [01:41] Well good luck. It's time for me to get back to the grind. [01:41] scumbag: what you one with? [01:41] one? [01:41] on* [01:42] what you up to basically :P [01:42] also, do you come on #ubuntu-uk often? [01:42] cos ya seem like a few face (sorta speak :P) [01:42] but a knowledgable one though [01:43] Me, It's a long story...... I'm from the UK but I'm living in China. I used to work in an IT Department in a School. Moved to China with many promises of work and..... [01:44] I'm here now and then........... not so often and I guess I am a new face. [01:44] ah, don't be a stranger then :P [01:45] many people here aren't from the UK, just cos we're friendlier I guess :P [01:45] I'll try and pop back more, I need the company LOL! [01:45] sucks about the promises of work, I know a few people who have been in a similar situation... kinda sucks really [01:46] Been here for two years, one more to go and the wife 's contract will be done. [01:46] awesome, well have fun with your... er... grind xD lol! [01:47] Sure things and "I'll be back......" [01:47] haha [01:47] laterz :P [01:48] *rolls on the floor trying to work out partionion schemes* [01:49] fail, seems like one of those nights :/ partitioning* [03:10] wow why is it that I can't remember how I installed sshd onto my VPS :S [03:18] HazRPG: sudo apt-get install openssh-server [03:18] ? [03:18] !ssh [03:18] SSH is the Secure SHell protocol, see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH for client usage. PuTTY is an SSH client for Windows; see: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ for it's homepage. See also !scp (Secure CoPy) and !sshd (Secure SHell Daemon) [03:18] \o/ [03:18] !sshd [03:18] SSH is the Secure SHell protocol, sshd is the server (or daemon) of SSH. For setting up the SSH server, please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/openssh-server.html . Advanced SSH uses: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/OpenSSH/Advanced . For SSH client information, see !ssh . Related: !scp (Secure CoPy) [03:18] \o/ [03:19] yeah when i typed "sudo apt-get install sshd" i just said "bahhh what you want? I don't have!" [03:19] s/i just/it just* [03:19] openssh-server you say? (gives that a whirl) [03:21] popey: score, much thanks :D [03:25] hmmmmmmm [03:25] i always thought the MOTD changed [03:26] for some reason its insisting that I have 47 packages to update, and 26 security updates... but well sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -u upgrade tells me differently :/ [05:16] HazRPG: I think it updates only every once in a while [06:20] What is the format of the data at http://paste.ubuntu.com/596789/ ? It does not seem to dot -data. It was obtained by Orange. [06:53] bug 685552 has a lot of duplicates [06:53] Launchpad bug 685552 in unity (Ubuntu Natty) "Compiz crashes when (en|dis)abling a plugin (ccsm) aka compiz crashed with SIGSEGV in sigc::signal_base::impl()" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/685552 [06:54] HazRPG: just "sudo apt-get install ssh" pulls in ssh and sshd [06:55] AlanBell: that pulled in openssh-server too though iirc [06:55] yup [06:57] anyone else have flash broken on a recent Maverick update? [07:02] uninstalled and reinstalled flashplugin-installer [07:03] now I can watch videos of my little pony that popey put on facebook \\o/ [07:34] AlanBell: xD [07:34] AlanBell: I'm just using the beta flash stuff from adobe, so wouldn't know lol [07:34] keep hoping they'll fix fullscreen :/ [08:28] Good morning [08:41] HazRPG: I was just thinking that fullscreen was working rather well [08:41] apart from the multi-monitor thing [08:42] where fullscreen flash un-fullscreens itself when you try and do something on a window on another monitor [08:42] I get vertical sync issues with fullscreen flash on my mythtv [08:43] http://www.ted.com/talks/kathryn_schulz_on_being_wrong.html I was watching that fullscreen, no apparent issues [08:46] Interesting report on Natty http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/04/21/ubuntu_11_04_windows_android_users/ [08:47] AlanBell: my issue with fullscreen goes beyond that... it's the fact that it /always/ opens in the default window regardless of placement, and the fact that having 2 screens makes the fullscreen video smaller than when it was embedded on the site [08:47] * AlanBell sees fail [08:48] yeah, however my screens are the other way round! [08:48] because it tries to grab the full environment size, and then tries to place it into just one screen... so it shrinks it down getting a bizare wide-screen effect [08:49] so if I fullscreen on the laptop it does attempt to fullscreen on that monitor, but using the 2048x1152 resolution of the big screen [08:49] heh random [08:51] mines scales down from 1280x2048 to 1280x1024 [08:51] universe: I love you ♥ === cypher is now known as czajkowski [08:52] or is it 2560x1024 to 1280x1024... [08:52] you know what I mean :P [09:01] goooooood morning vietnam! [09:02] \o/ 4 days off and the forecast is sun [09:02] *\o/* [09:02] danfish: what are you doing up at this time then? :P [09:03] MartijnVdS: ah - 4got to say "starting tomorrow" [09:04] do you have Good Friday and Easter Monday as Bank holidays in Nederland? [09:05] danfish: We get Easter Monday off, bot not Good Friday [09:05] Too bad Queen's Day (i.e. the previous queen's birthday) is on a Saturday this year, so no extra day off there [09:07] so I'll have a three-day weekend [09:07] Good morning peeps :) [09:10] * shauno does the bacon o'clock happy dance [09:15] * DJones likes this idea of a 4 day week, followed by a 3 day week, followed by another 4 day week because of bank holidays [09:16] heh, welcome to my world. I only do a 5-day week, once every 5 weeks :) [09:17] How do you manage that, longer hours? [09:17] i do a 7 day week but only work for 5 of them usually [09:17] yeah. 10 & 12hr shifts, and weekends [09:18] 3 on, 2 off, 2 on, 2 off, 3 on, 2 off, 5 on, 2 off, 3 on .. [09:18] messy, but I swear I average more than one weekend per week :) [09:18] So 40 hours a week minimum, mine is only 37.5hrs, but working longer per day and doing fewer days does sound a good plan [09:19] that's what I like about this. I have to wake up less often. that's the hard part of most days for me [09:20] the problem with stumbling upon a great job is that one day you will have to get another job, and then you will be sad [09:34] ivanka: ;] [09:34] hi matti [09:35] ;] [09:35] * oimon is hesitant to jump up and down about the iphone tracking revelations since he owns an android..wouldn't be surprised to find that data sitting on my phone too [09:35] oimon: THEY know what you did last summer... [09:35] ;] [09:36] oimon: use a mod instead. It's more likely that it would have been removed by a modder if found [09:36] Och, that was a bad film [09:39] Is anybody here actively useing Sparkle Share? [09:39] Sounds like something from a My Little Pony toy [09:39] bigcalm, imho it's not ready yet [09:39] bigcalm, it's close though [09:40] bigcalm, i have a list of issues from last time i evaluated it for the office... [09:40] directhex: I've been following it for months. Wondering if I finally have time to play with it [09:40] oimon: i thought android was worse, they actually use your data for the traffic on google maps [09:40] whereas the iphone data is just y'know, on your phone and in your backups [09:41] Once a windows client comes out that intergrates as simply as the dropbox one does, then I'll be moving myself away from dropbox [09:41] popey: that's a clever use of data [09:41] dont hold your breath for the u1 windows client [09:41] i tried it, it's not great [09:42] popey: what data do they use for maps? [09:42] Heh [09:42] directhex: do you know if one can use multiple servers with Sparkle Share? [09:42] oimon: location [09:42] popey: sorry, i still don't get it [09:43] i might be being dumb today [09:43] bigcalm, one per repository. i got it working over a straight ssh connection to a shared box... albeit with some messy constraints [09:43] imagine you and all the cars around you are in a traffic jam [09:43] they are all android phones and are all reporting their location [09:43] that location isnt moving fast [09:43] Would be good to have it connect to a personal server and a company server [09:43] google uses that info to update their traffic data on the google maps website and in the maps app [09:43] location via mobile triangulation or GPS? [09:44] thats only if you are using some sort of routing or something in gmaps right? [09:44] both [09:44] not aiui gord [09:44] my phone never uses any location tracking unless i enable it [09:44] didn't realise traffic data was available on google maps [09:44] i use the RAC app [09:45] basically it's a crowdsourcing feature. [09:45] yes [09:45] http://www.trafficengland.com/map.aspx?long0=-192.3043589671317&lat0=3200.7488365561894&long1=22.903048440275825&lat1=3109.185785708732&ct=true [09:45] That's about as authoritive as one can get [09:46] Loading map... [09:46] Time passes [09:46] it is dark here [09:46] Heh [09:46] you were hit by a grue [09:46] Ooooo [09:46] Tempted to re-install nethack [09:46] popey: i don't think the data would be uploaded to google if i wasn't running maps though [09:46] Thanks you two :P [09:47] wait for applet to be loaded [09:48] Huray for sucky java [09:48] "Traffic England has been built to work with and tested against Microsoft’s Internet Explorer 6.0 and 7.0, Firefox 2.0 and 3.0 and Safari 3. Users of other browsers and versions (such as Internet Explorer 8) may experience minor compatibility problems and where possible it is recommended that users may wish to configure their browsers to emulate Internet Explorer to use this site (for IE8 use Compatibility View)." [09:48] still not loaded [09:48] well thats a bag of crap then [09:48] * popey closes that tab [09:48] "Authorititive" indeed [09:48] it just crashed my firefox [09:48] http://maps.google.co.uk/?ie=UTF8&ll=53.592505,-4.042969&spn=12.405334,32.915039&t=h&z=5&layer=t [09:48] maybe there is just no traffic? [09:48] just works [09:49] popey: linked to from highways.gov.uk [09:49] One would hope that their information was to be trusted [09:49] their information may be, if it were accessible [09:49] i use the webcam views from the bbc website [09:49] which it isnt [09:49] also [09:49] http://popey.com/graphs/ubuntu-uk-current.png [09:49] :) [09:49] Doesn't mean that their implimentation isn't buggered though [09:50] A wee beastie! [09:50] Any mod_rewrite gurus in da ouse' [09:50] * bigcalm grumbles [09:51] aww, -current says I have nae pals [09:51] TheOpenSourcerer: I spend a lot of my time grumbling with mod_rewrite but might be able to help [09:51] Ohh thanks. [09:51] I think this is quite straightforward. [09:51] Don't ask to ask, just ask ;) [09:51] I know a few things as well [09:51] !ask | TheOpenSourcerer [09:51] ;) [09:51] TheOpenSourcerer: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) [09:51] heh [09:51] strip .html from urls and add a trailing slah [09:52] popey: are you tracking our irc usage :P [09:52] It's a static page site [09:52] oimon: the topic says that the channel is logged any way :) [09:52] bigcalm: yep, it was tongue in cheek :) [09:52] TheOpenSourcerer: RewriteRule (.*)/? $1.html [09:52] ? [09:52] anyone know why some folders are highlighted in terminal and others not? [09:52] So I'd like to redirect the url in the browser bar from say /aboutus.html to /aboutus/ [09:52] oimon: I need more tea [09:52] dogmatic69: usually permissions, sometimes other attributes [09:53] dogmatic69: permissions [09:53] i need to earn my wages. [09:53] breakfast is over [09:53] TheOpenSourcerer: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/rewrite/ -- does anything in there help? :) [09:54] shauno, bigcalm: ok thanks. is there something wrong about the permissions ? [09:54] TheOpenSourcerer: it has pretty pictures :P [09:54] dogmatic69: depends what colour it is :) [09:54] green [09:54] dogmatic69: ls -l to see which files/dirs have which permissions. That will give you an idea about highlight rules [09:54] Exec [09:54] blue text, green bg [09:55] Humm [09:55] Exec dir? [09:56] on mine, a green bg is the stickybit [09:56] hmm sticky bits [09:57] http://oi54.tinypic.com/24x18k2.jpg [09:57] oimon: yes! [09:57] bigcalm: ^ [09:57] http://popey.com/graphs/ubuntu-current.png looks more fun [09:57] dogmatic69: it could be world-writable [09:57] MartijnVdS: ok, i did chmod a+w on the folders [09:57] Thanks guys. [09:57] dogmatic69: what MartijnVdS said [09:58] dogmatic69: don't do that.. use u+w or g+w :) [09:58] dogmatic69: that's why it's annoying-green ;) [09:58] hehe [09:58] popey: What period does that graphic cover [09:58] well it needs to be w for www-data [09:58] should i add www-data to ubuntu group or something? [09:58] dogmatic69: what framework/orm is that? [09:58] dogmatic69: uhrm.. no? [09:58] dogmatic69: what are you trying to do? [09:59] bigcalm: cakephp [09:59] Ah, yes [09:59] dogmatic69: either install php as fastcgi (and run it as the Ubuntu user with suexec etc.) [09:59] Why I didn't see that the 1st time I dunno [09:59] appalling use of cake btw [09:59] One other question on mod_rewrite if I may. Can it rewrite the urls that are served out to the user? [09:59] dogmatic69: or run Apache as a different user/group for this vhost (is that possible? per-vhost uid switches? :) [10:00] MartijnVdS: i got to maintain 5ish of these legacy systems. dont want more work [10:00] TheOpenSourcerer: sort of [10:00] I can type http:///my-site/aboutus/ [10:00] and that works. [10:00] But the url in the browser chnages to anoutus.html [10:00] TheOpenSourcerer: you can have it send out a "moved permanently" if the user hits the "wrong" URL, then the browser will redirect to the correct URL [10:00] http://my-site/aboutus.html [10:00] MartijnVdS: dont think its good to run apache as ubuntu on the ec2 boxes, ubuntu ~= root [10:00] can sudo with no pw [10:00] TheOpenSourcerer: there are some "no-www" mod_rewrite scripts out there [10:01] TheOpenSourcerer: those do something like that (but they strip the www. bit instead of the .html bit) [10:01] DJones: curent [10:01] ish [10:01] DJones: i only upload every 5 mins but it generates a new one every few seconds [10:01] dogmatic69: ah.. and you really need to write in those directories? [10:01] dogmatic69: chgrp them to be group www-data [10:01] OK so I am looking for redirect stuff. Thanks MartijnVdS I'll go fishing [10:02] MartijnVdS: yes, the guy that wrote this saves images there, not in 'webroot' [10:02] dogmatic69: best would be to keep writeable directories outside the document root :) [10:02] popey: I could see a link between myself & somebody I was helping, I was guessing at about an hour's data/conersations [10:02] MartijnVdS: tell me about it... [10:03] dogmatic69: I'm so glad I don't run php [10:03] * bigcalm sighs [10:04] PHP is a good language that gets poorly implimented at times. It shouldn't get the hatred it gets :( [10:04] Agreed, it should get more :P [10:04] bigcalm: s/at times/most of the time [10:04] bigcalm: Best would be to create a new user, use PHP as a FastCGI daemon running as that user [10:04] bigcalm: and then chown everything to that new user [10:04] my biggest gripe with php is the low barrier to entry [10:05] (fastcgi daemon or autostarting it) [10:06] http://michiel.vanbaak.info/docsphp5fcgi.htm [10:06] tx, ill look into this [10:07] but iirc there is issues with this code and fcgi [10:07] and persistent db connections [10:07] fcgi does persistent db connections [10:07] and pretty much everything else [10:15] good morning everyone. [10:16] o/ [10:17] morning dogmatic69 [10:18] hiya folks [10:18] howdy dwatkins [10:19] good morning dwatkins and MartijnVdS [10:25] I trust everyone is well this fine day and not having major computer problems. [10:25] not yet.. :) [10:26] not yet either, :) [10:26] yet* with emphesis. [10:27] dwatkins: its the last day of the week, nice long weekend... just after i upgrade this box this afternoon [10:27] :) [10:29] I think I'm working tomorrow and Monday, that way I get days in lieu to use another time. [10:30] in Finland I think you'd get double salary for working on Sundays and bank holidays [10:30] I wouldn't want to work in the toilet [10:30] hehe [10:44] oh, so thats why its so warm, i still have my central heating on [10:44] * gord turns that off for the summer [10:56] I keep turning the thermostat down at home. [11:09] MartijnVdS: https://launchpad.net/~bryce/+archive/fig might interest you, a possible gpu lockup/hang fix. [11:09] in Soviet Russia, we do not turn thermostat down - thermostat turns us down ;) [11:10] * danfish stops daydreaming and returns to work [11:13] *sudden realisation that tomorrow is a day off* [11:13] whoop [11:13] gord: and monday [11:13] baiscally a 4 day weekend [11:13] morning all [11:13] X3N: just not when you freelancing :/ [11:13] yeah but mondays off aren't that exciting, its basically second sunday [11:14] but a friday off? now thats a thing [11:14] gord: nope, its Saturday, Saturday, Saturday, Sunday [11:15] gord: 4 day weekend folollowed by 3 day week followed by 3 day weekend [11:15] then nex week is Monday, Wednesday, Friday, Saturday, Saturday, Saturday, Sunday [11:15] czajkowski: next weekend is 4 days also [11:15] three day weekend for me, i have to go to stoopid Budapest :( [11:16] ah [11:16] gord: I'm out the week after :P [11:16] davmor2, bring tea and biscuits [11:16] god help you if you don't bring tea and biscuits. [11:17] czajkowski: do you not have may day off? [11:18] yes [11:18] Then it's 4 off, 3 on, 4 off [11:19] i'm leaving UDS half way through, so i'll take the thursday and friday off. then its EUROVISION! :D [11:19] People still watch that? [11:19] gord: I'm screwed then I don't drink tea [11:20] davmor2, its not for you! >:( [11:20] oop popey is having a "conversation" with fabsh on the identica's - there goes my twitter stream for the next hours ;) [11:20] gord: haha, I doubt you'll be in a fit state to do anything any way :P [11:21] * DJones logs into identica to watch [11:21] popey: don't let him out rant you :P [11:21] bored of it already [11:22] I have 2 easter eggs hidden for Hayley. Do people wrap them? [11:22] yes, wrap them in brown paper [11:22] and a box [11:22]

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