[00:46] <snap-l> http://www.jwz.org/blog/2011/04/a-badge-for-the-software-industrys-failures/
[03:42] <rick_h__> man, you guys rock, so psyched driving home tonight
[03:43] <rick_h__> snap-l _stink_ Blazeix
[03:46] <snap-l> rick_h__: Awesome. :)
[03:46] <snap-l> Yeah, I've gotten the urge to do something magnificent
[03:47] <rick_h__> it's invigorating
[03:47] <rick_h__> even with people finding bugs/etc
[03:47] <snap-l> Getting tired of waiting for shit to happen at work.
[03:47] <rick_h__> just awesome how cool things get, keep moving forward
[03:47] <rick_h__> snap-l: ++
[03:47] <rick_h__> then again I can't speak. How many years did I talk about bookie before *doing* it?
[03:48] <snap-l> Well, considering I have an e-mail that i sent to Metal Injection about doing a podcast that was around 2005 or so...
[03:48] <snap-l> I'm not one to talk. ;)
[03:48] <rick_h__> lol
[03:48] <rick_h__> we're such slackers
[03:50] <snap-l> I think you just get busy with the things that you think are more do-able
[03:50] <rick_h__> I think it's more "that's a lot of work, I don't have time for all that work right now"
[03:50] <snap-l> Pretty sure I didn't stop doing things like check e-mail, twitter, etc.
[03:50] <rick_h__> but once you get started and breaking it into smaller and smaller bits you get rolling
[03:50] <snap-l> A-yep
[03:50] <rick_h__> but before you start, you see the whole project
[03:50] <rick_h__> after you start, you see the next feature
[03:51] <rick_h__> and I htink that's really what it comes down to (at least for me I think that sums up bookie)
[03:51] <snap-l> Yeah, you have to think about what the smaller pieces are to get to the bigger pieces
[03:51] <snap-l> and make sure that you don't freak out over the size of the whole project
[03:51] <snap-l> like trying to move a gravel pile one rock at a time
[03:52] <rick_h__> yea
[03:52] <snap-l> eventually, it'll get done, but it seems like a lot when you get started.
[03:52] <rick_h__> right, but along the way you go "if I stopped working on bookie today...it's still useful cool stuff"
[03:53] <rick_h__> that accomplishment comes along pretty quick after getting started and fuels more
[03:53] <snap-l> Yeah, you need to get to the rhythm part
[03:53] <rick_h__> and then nights like tonight where multiple people are finding things cool, trying, testing
[03:53] <snap-l> That's when you get the shovel out. ;)
[03:53] <rick_h__> just get motivated to move it forward more and more
[03:53] <rick_h__> thanks for submitting the issue btw
[03:54] <snap-l> np, promised I would. :)
[03:54] <snap-l> Speaking of rhythm, time to do the dishes. ;)
[03:54] <snap-l> brb
[03:55] <rick_h__> hmm, I do have a test for bookmark deletes, how is this passing? ugh
[03:55] <snap-l> did you save the page content prior to the delete? :)
[03:56] <snap-l> Could also be a corner case where I tried to delete something that wasn't read-in yet.
[03:57] <rick_h__> I'll poke at it, something is missing, but figured it was more obvious at first
[03:57] <rick_h__> all good
[03:57] <snap-l> Yeah, leave it to me to bring the stupid bugs. ;)
[03:57] <snap-l> "what does this do?"
[04:00] <rick_h__> ah, got it
[04:00] <rick_h__> yea, found the issue and you're right, because adding a new bmark doesn't auto populate the readable content
[04:01] <rick_h__> snap-l: so fix pushed to develop, will add a new test for it
[04:09] <jcastro> snap-l: http://castrojo.tumblr.com/post/4795149014/the-power-users-guide-to-unity
[04:09] <jcastro> BEHOLD
[04:15] <rick_h__> http://houkedekwant.com/weblab/VforVendetta/
[04:17] <rick_h__> love V for Vendetta
[04:20] <snap-l> rick_h__: This proves one thing...
[04:21] <snap-l> HTML5 is perfect for ytmnd.com. ;)
[04:35] <_stink_> rick_h__: glad to be involved.  hoping to crank this badboy out now that the underpinning looks ready.
[10:51] <brousch> job posted for GR: Candidates should have at least 7 or more years of experience in network, host, data, and/or application security in a LINUX Red Hat Enterprise 5.3 operating environment. Pluses would be experiene with Umbutu.
[11:46] <rick_h__> morning
[11:46] <rick_h__> _stink_: yea, hopefully it's educational/useful as well to go through it
[12:01] <brousch> damn hootsuite is down
[13:13] <greg-g> g'morning
[13:16] <_stink_> morning
[13:17] <snap-l> g'morning
[13:21] <greg-g> looks like a fun bookie night last night
[13:30] <_stink_> yeah, it was good
[13:31] <_stink_> Blazeix got the firefox/jQuery stuff in a state where it actually behaves
[13:34] <greg-g> oooo! yay!
[13:37] <rick_h_droid> heh, these guys are good at finding bugs, almost as good as i am at creating them.
[13:42] <greg-g> :)
[14:01] <brousch> ouch. hootsuite has been down all morning and they say it's ec2
[14:02] <ColonelPanic001> the hell with that, Reddit is down.
[14:02] <ColonelPanic001> Oh, the humanity
[14:03] <brousch> probably for the same reason
[14:03] <ColonelPanic001> it is
[14:03] <ColonelPanic001> http://networkedblogs.com/gVNoc
[14:05] <brousch> apparently half the internet runs on amazon
[14:06] <brousch> oh man, 4square is down too? how will i checkin to be king of my bathroom?
[14:07] <ColonelPanic001> >_>
[14:15] <jjesse> how many porn sites are now down is the bigger question
[14:15] <ColonelPanic001> too. many.
[14:15] <ColonelPanic001> but, Reddit!
[14:15] <brousch> has bmark.us been affected?
[14:19] <greg-g> bmark.us is safely running on autonomous colo servers without the aid of Amazon/Microsoft/Raskspace "cloud" technology
[14:20] <brousch> whew
[14:36] <Blazeix> _stink_ gives me too much credit :). We both sat down and figured this firefox/jquery stuff out.
[14:36] <Blazeix> man, does anyone in here use groupon? I'm thinking I'm going to have to unsubscribe.
[14:37] <brousch> unsubbed a few weeks ago. it's all crap
[14:38] <Blazeix> yeah, there was supposed to be some level of personalization, but I'm not seeing it.
[15:30] <snap-l> I promise I'm trying to get through this Java stuff with Eclipse, but frankly I think every document online regarding getting started with this stuff should include the phrase "Go fuck yourself" at the top.
[15:30] <snap-l> at least I'd know it's not just me.
[15:30] <jrwren> are you sure its not that it works a way that you don't want to?
[15:31] <jrwren> you must embrace the tools workflow.
[15:31] <jrwren> its not the kind of tool that bends to your will.
[15:31] <jrwren> you must adapt to ie.
[15:31] <jrwren> adapt to it
[15:31] <snap-l> ergo my earlier statement
[15:32] <snap-l> I feel lost and frustrated whenever I power this thing on
[15:33] <jrwren> it just takes time to get to know the bug IDE
[15:33] <snap-l> jrwren: And that's why I'm frustrated
[15:33] <snap-l> I want something simple. get in, get out
[15:33] <jrwren> i feel your pain.
[15:33] <jrwren> use vim?
[15:33] <snap-l> I want to have baklava, not learn the totality of Greek history.
[15:34] <snap-l> jrwren: Vim doesn't suck down web services and make classes
[15:34] <jrwren> no. i am pretty sure there are command line tools for that.
[15:34] <jrwren> e.g. in .NET most people use visual studio adn dont' know about the svcutil.exe command line that will do the same.
[15:34] <jrwren> what soap library are you using?
[15:35] <snap-l> I've used wsimport.sh under jaxws
[15:35] <jrwren> but what library are you using in your java?  jaxws still?
[15:36] <snap-l> yes, although I'm sure I'm missing something on how to get a directory of jar files into my classpath
[15:36] <jrwren> script it :)
[15:37] <snap-l> ergo my initial statement. ;)
[15:37] <jrwren> for i in *.jar ; do CLASSPATH=$CLASSPATH:$i ; done :)
[15:37] <jrwren> well, you do that once and add it to your makefile.
[15:37] <jrwren> or you have your make file do it.
[15:38] <jrwren> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/219585/setting-multiple-jars-in-java-classpathhttp://stackoverflow.com/questions/219585/setting-multiple-jars-in-java-classpath
[15:38] <jrwren> classpath wildcards?
[15:38] <jrwren> are you alone on this dev or trying to help out a team?
[15:38] <snap-l> yeah, I'll play with this some more.
[15:38] <snap-l> I'm just trying to understand this as a support person
[15:38] <jrwren> I know you were doing SOAP in perl a while ago, did you give up on that and move to java?
[15:38] <snap-l> No, I got it working in Python
[15:39] <jrwren> i see, so support.
[15:39] <snap-l> Found that if I didn't "follow the RFC", it caused the server to throw a null pointer exception
[15:39] <snap-l> RFC expecting CRLF, not LF.
[15:40] <jrwren> figures.
[15:41] <jrwren> so you are in the role of supporting programmers using this stuff?
[15:41] <snap-l> Well, of telling them if they're doing something wrong
[15:42] <snap-l> not necessarily showing them the intracacies of eclipse.
[15:51] <jrwren> sounds like a bitch of a role. i hope you get paid well :)
[15:51] <jrwren> also, I'd recommend checking out Apache Axi2. Much better soap.
[15:52] <jrwren> when an API comes from SUN, it should immediately be questioned and attempted to be replaced by a community equiv or something from apache or google.
[16:03] <snap-l> jrwren: Yeah, I've been checking out Axis2 as well
[16:04] <snap-l> Mostly I'm just trying to understand what's going on. And I'm reacquainting myself with why I'm more of a fan of Python. ;)
[16:05] <jrwren> apt-get upgrade tells me nux and jockey are being upgraded, but when I dpkg -p or apt-get show to find out what these are it says they don't exist.
[17:10] <brousch> snap-l: If you want to code a Java app from scratch, you must first create the IDE
[17:26]  * ColonelPanic001 becomes enlightened
[17:38] <rick_h__> ColonelPanic001: enlightened?
[17:38] <rick_h__> using a new window manager?
[17:38] <snap-l> No, re: Java and the IDE
[17:39] <rick_h__> ah
[17:40] <snap-l> snapl: Tell my wife I've run away to join the circus. She'll understand. |12:37 PM Apr 21, 2011
[17:41] <rick_h__> wheee! free peanuts?
[18:06] <snap-l> Does anyone know how to show what the java environment is?
[18:06] <snap-l> ie: show what it thinks is classpath, env variables, etc?
[18:10] <snap-l> -verbose gets me what I'm looking for
[18:10] <rick_h__> http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/4414 hah, another kde stone
[18:10] <rick_h__> snap-l: cool, sorry, java is not my forte
[18:13] <snap-l> rick_h__: Me either
[18:31] <greg-g> rick_h__: eeeek (re: kde)
[18:31] <rick_h__> greg-g: yea, wonder if there will be a resurgant "red headed stepchild" after that
[18:34] <snap-l> blue headed stepchild
[18:35] <snap-l> get it right. ;)
[18:35] <rick_h__> doh
[18:42] <greg-g> :)
[18:46] <jrwren> snap-l: echo $CLASSPATH ?
[18:52] <snap-l> jrwren: Welcome to 2011, where we don't use CLASSPATH environment variables. ;)
[18:53] <snap-l> At least everything that I've seen pretty much dismisses that as anachronistic
[18:54] <brousch> the IDE is supposed to handle it for you
[19:03] <jrwren> right.
[19:03] <jrwren> it still gets used.
[19:03] <jrwren> but I see, you were trying to ask a way to find out what the IDE was using.
[19:03] <jrwren> "java environment" I read, but I didn't read IDE.
[19:04] <jrwren> I'm slow.
[19:04] <snap-l> No, I'm not using an IDE
[19:04] <snap-l> but I wanted to see what it was trying to load
[19:05] <jrwren> I'm not willing to installa JVM and/or compiler to find otu :)
[19:06] <snap-l> jrwren: frankly, I've spent more time digging into this than it's worth
[19:13] <jrwren> :(
[19:27] <rick_h__> man, another lesson...EC2 is 'on demand' computing, not your freaking colo center
[19:27] <rick_h__> people don't plan for this crap and it's just stupid
[19:29] <snap-l> rick_h__: A-yep
[19:29] <rick_h__> I mean I know it's hard...after all no databases do things like 'streaming replication' or anything
[19:30] <rick_h__> what happened to all this nosql 'shard it baby' goodness?
[19:30] <snap-l> http://i.imgur.com/RHTVW.jpg
[19:31] <snap-l> rick_h__: Sharding is hard. Let's do SEO instead
[19:31] <snap-l> Or they sharded it in the same instance.
[19:31] <rick_h__> nice pic
[19:33] <snap-l> I know tihs might get me nominated for the idiot of the year award, but I'm going to see if this java shit works better with Sun's JDK
[19:33] <brousch> you weren't use sun-java6?
[19:33] <snap-l> No, openjdk
[19:34] <snap-l> and yes, I know there's a difference, but frankly I didn't think it was that big of a difference.
[19:34] <snap-l> and if this works, I will be very pissed off
[19:35] <brousch> you should punch yourself in the head if it works
[19:37] <snap-l> Well, thankfully my melon can remain unthumped
[21:30] <greg-g> nixternal: do you know of anyone who has written a good weekly report generator for taskwarrior?
[23:12] <gamerchick02> howdy. any easy way to import your bookmarks into bookie? ;)
[23:13] <gamerchick02> whoops, i'll ask in the bookie room... i guess.
[23:49] <brousch> snap-l: I'm listening to the live omc. awesome music on there