[00:46] http://www.jwz.org/blog/2011/04/a-badge-for-the-software-industrys-failures/ [03:42] man, you guys rock, so psyched driving home tonight [03:43] snap-l _stink_ Blazeix [03:46] rick_h__: Awesome. :) [03:46] Yeah, I've gotten the urge to do something magnificent [03:47] it's invigorating [03:47] even with people finding bugs/etc [03:47] Getting tired of waiting for shit to happen at work. [03:47] just awesome how cool things get, keep moving forward [03:47] snap-l: ++ [03:47] then again I can't speak. How many years did I talk about bookie before *doing* it? [03:48] Well, considering I have an e-mail that i sent to Metal Injection about doing a podcast that was around 2005 or so... [03:48] I'm not one to talk. ;) [03:48] lol [03:48] we're such slackers [03:50] I think you just get busy with the things that you think are more do-able [03:50] I think it's more "that's a lot of work, I don't have time for all that work right now" [03:50] Pretty sure I didn't stop doing things like check e-mail, twitter, etc. [03:50] but once you get started and breaking it into smaller and smaller bits you get rolling [03:50] A-yep [03:50] but before you start, you see the whole project [03:50] after you start, you see the next feature [03:51] and I htink that's really what it comes down to (at least for me I think that sums up bookie) [03:51] Yeah, you have to think about what the smaller pieces are to get to the bigger pieces [03:51] and make sure that you don't freak out over the size of the whole project [03:51] like trying to move a gravel pile one rock at a time [03:52] yea [03:52] eventually, it'll get done, but it seems like a lot when you get started. [03:52] right, but along the way you go "if I stopped working on bookie today...it's still useful cool stuff" [03:53] that accomplishment comes along pretty quick after getting started and fuels more [03:53] Yeah, you need to get to the rhythm part [03:53] and then nights like tonight where multiple people are finding things cool, trying, testing [03:53] That's when you get the shovel out. ;) [03:53] just get motivated to move it forward more and more [03:53] thanks for submitting the issue btw [03:54] np, promised I would. :) [03:54] Speaking of rhythm, time to do the dishes. ;) [03:54] brb [03:55] hmm, I do have a test for bookmark deletes, how is this passing? ugh [03:55] did you save the page content prior to the delete? :) [03:56] Could also be a corner case where I tried to delete something that wasn't read-in yet. [03:57] I'll poke at it, something is missing, but figured it was more obvious at first [03:57] all good [03:57] Yeah, leave it to me to bring the stupid bugs. ;) [03:57] "what does this do?" [04:00] ah, got it [04:00] yea, found the issue and you're right, because adding a new bmark doesn't auto populate the readable content [04:01] snap-l: so fix pushed to develop, will add a new test for it [04:09] snap-l: http://castrojo.tumblr.com/post/4795149014/the-power-users-guide-to-unity [04:09] BEHOLD [04:15] http://houkedekwant.com/weblab/VforVendetta/ [04:17] love V for Vendetta [04:20] rick_h__: This proves one thing... [04:21] HTML5 is perfect for ytmnd.com. ;) [04:35] <_stink_> rick_h__: glad to be involved. hoping to crank this badboy out now that the underpinning looks ready. [10:51] job posted for GR: Candidates should have at least 7 or more years of experience in network, host, data, and/or application security in a LINUX Red Hat Enterprise 5.3 operating environment. Pluses would be experiene with Umbutu. [11:46] morning [11:46] _stink_: yea, hopefully it's educational/useful as well to go through it [12:01] damn hootsuite is down [13:13] g'morning [13:16] <_stink_> morning [13:17] g'morning [13:21] looks like a fun bookie night last night [13:30] <_stink_> yeah, it was good [13:31] <_stink_> Blazeix got the firefox/jQuery stuff in a state where it actually behaves [13:34] oooo! yay! [13:37] heh, these guys are good at finding bugs, almost as good as i am at creating them. [13:42] :) [14:01] ouch. hootsuite has been down all morning and they say it's ec2 [14:02] the hell with that, Reddit is down. [14:02] Oh, the humanity [14:03] probably for the same reason [14:03] it is [14:03] http://networkedblogs.com/gVNoc [14:05] apparently half the internet runs on amazon [14:06] oh man, 4square is down too? how will i checkin to be king of my bathroom? [14:07] >_> [14:15] how many porn sites are now down is the bigger question [14:15] too. many. [14:15] but, Reddit! [14:15] has bmark.us been affected? [14:19] bmark.us is safely running on autonomous colo servers without the aid of Amazon/Microsoft/Raskspace "cloud" technology [14:20] whew [14:36] _stink_ gives me too much credit :). We both sat down and figured this firefox/jquery stuff out. [14:36] man, does anyone in here use groupon? I'm thinking I'm going to have to unsubscribe. [14:37] unsubbed a few weeks ago. it's all crap [14:38] yeah, there was supposed to be some level of personalization, but I'm not seeing it. [15:30] I promise I'm trying to get through this Java stuff with Eclipse, but frankly I think every document online regarding getting started with this stuff should include the phrase "Go fuck yourself" at the top. [15:30] at least I'd know it's not just me. [15:30] are you sure its not that it works a way that you don't want to? [15:31] you must embrace the tools workflow. [15:31] its not the kind of tool that bends to your will. [15:31] you must adapt to ie. [15:31] adapt to it [15:31] ergo my earlier statement [15:32] I feel lost and frustrated whenever I power this thing on [15:33] it just takes time to get to know the bug IDE [15:33] jrwren: And that's why I'm frustrated [15:33] I want something simple. get in, get out [15:33] i feel your pain. [15:33] use vim? [15:33] I want to have baklava, not learn the totality of Greek history. [15:34] jrwren: Vim doesn't suck down web services and make classes [15:34] no. i am pretty sure there are command line tools for that. [15:34] e.g. in .NET most people use visual studio adn dont' know about the svcutil.exe command line that will do the same. [15:34] what soap library are you using? [15:35] I've used wsimport.sh under jaxws [15:35] but what library are you using in your java? jaxws still? [15:36] yes, although I'm sure I'm missing something on how to get a directory of jar files into my classpath [15:36] script it :) [15:37] ergo my initial statement. ;) [15:37] for i in *.jar ; do CLASSPATH=$CLASSPATH:$i ; done :) [15:37] well, you do that once and add it to your makefile. [15:37] or you have your make file do it. [15:38] http://stackoverflow.com/questions/219585/setting-multiple-jars-in-java-classpathhttp://stackoverflow.com/questions/219585/setting-multiple-jars-in-java-classpath [15:38] classpath wildcards? [15:38] are you alone on this dev or trying to help out a team? [15:38] yeah, I'll play with this some more. [15:38] I'm just trying to understand this as a support person [15:38] I know you were doing SOAP in perl a while ago, did you give up on that and move to java? [15:38] No, I got it working in Python [15:39] i see, so support. [15:39] Found that if I didn't "follow the RFC", it caused the server to throw a null pointer exception [15:39] RFC expecting CRLF, not LF. [15:40] figures. [15:41] so you are in the role of supporting programmers using this stuff? [15:41] Well, of telling them if they're doing something wrong [15:42] not necessarily showing them the intracacies of eclipse. [15:51] sounds like a bitch of a role. i hope you get paid well :) [15:51] also, I'd recommend checking out Apache Axi2. Much better soap. [15:52] when an API comes from SUN, it should immediately be questioned and attempted to be replaced by a community equiv or something from apache or google. [16:03] jrwren: Yeah, I've been checking out Axis2 as well [16:04] Mostly I'm just trying to understand what's going on. And I'm reacquainting myself with why I'm more of a fan of Python. ;) [16:05] apt-get upgrade tells me nux and jockey are being upgraded, but when I dpkg -p or apt-get show to find out what these are it says they don't exist. [17:10] snap-l: If you want to code a Java app from scratch, you must first create the IDE [17:26] * ColonelPanic001 becomes enlightened [17:38] ColonelPanic001: enlightened? [17:38] using a new window manager? [17:38] No, re: Java and the IDE [17:39] ah [17:40] snapl: Tell my wife I've run away to join the circus. She'll understand. |12:37 PM Apr 21, 2011 [17:41] wheee! free peanuts? [18:06] Does anyone know how to show what the java environment is? [18:06] ie: show what it thinks is classpath, env variables, etc? [18:10] -verbose gets me what I'm looking for [18:10] http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/4414 hah, another kde stone [18:10] snap-l: cool, sorry, java is not my forte [18:13] rick_h__: Me either [18:31] rick_h__: eeeek (re: kde) [18:31] greg-g: yea, wonder if there will be a resurgant "red headed stepchild" after that [18:34] blue headed stepchild [18:35] get it right. ;) [18:35] doh [18:42] :) [18:46] snap-l: echo $CLASSPATH ? [18:52] jrwren: Welcome to 2011, where we don't use CLASSPATH environment variables. ;) [18:53] At least everything that I've seen pretty much dismisses that as anachronistic [18:54] the IDE is supposed to handle it for you [19:03] right. [19:03] it still gets used. [19:03] but I see, you were trying to ask a way to find out what the IDE was using. [19:03] "java environment" I read, but I didn't read IDE. [19:04] I'm slow. [19:04] No, I'm not using an IDE [19:04] but I wanted to see what it was trying to load [19:05] I'm not willing to installa JVM and/or compiler to find otu :) [19:06] jrwren: frankly, I've spent more time digging into this than it's worth [19:13] :( [19:27] man, another lesson...EC2 is 'on demand' computing, not your freaking colo center [19:27] people don't plan for this crap and it's just stupid [19:29] rick_h__: A-yep [19:29] I mean I know it's hard...after all no databases do things like 'streaming replication' or anything [19:30] what happened to all this nosql 'shard it baby' goodness? [19:30] http://i.imgur.com/RHTVW.jpg [19:31] rick_h__: Sharding is hard. Let's do SEO instead [19:31] Or they sharded it in the same instance. [19:31] nice pic [19:33] I know tihs might get me nominated for the idiot of the year award, but I'm going to see if this java shit works better with Sun's JDK [19:33] you weren't use sun-java6? [19:33] No, openjdk [19:34] and yes, I know there's a difference, but frankly I didn't think it was that big of a difference. [19:34] and if this works, I will be very pissed off [19:35] you should punch yourself in the head if it works [19:37] Well, thankfully my melon can remain unthumped [21:30] nixternal: do you know of anyone who has written a good weekly report generator for taskwarrior? [23:12] howdy. any easy way to import your bookmarks into bookie? ;) [23:13] whoops, i'll ask in the bookie room... i guess. [23:49] snap-l: I'm listening to the live omc. awesome music on there