[11:24] <_marx_> nice akgraner, when do we stop calling you an NTEU? :)
[11:24] <_marx_> but still the question remains.
[11:25] <_marx_> how where does one control the time of day that the update manager runs?
[11:25] <_marx_> it is, too me, a simple question yet Mr. Google has yet to reveal an answer
[12:15] <_marx_> there seems to be _no documentation on the subject
[12:16] <_marx_> if just turning it off is the best solution why is it even included in any version and why is it still used in so many distros?
[12:17] <_marx_> it is what it is = it is a piece of shit
[12:19] <akgraner> I've asked on Ask Ubuntu  -  http://askubuntu.com/questions/36251/is-there-a-way-to-change-what-time-the-update-manager-checks-for-updates
[12:19] <akgraner> and I'll submit a feature request as as well....
[12:21] <akgraner> _marx_, if you click on that link just vote up the question...if others can do that as well, this way it gets marked as a valid question and moved to the top/front page for people to see
[12:33] <akgraner> _marx_, hopefully you'll get an answer soon...Great question by the way!
[12:43] <_marx_> awesome!
[12:45] <_marx_> i don't care if it's gui, looking through default cron jobs i don't see it
[12:49] <_marx_> used to be i'd be at work, non-computer work, by 7:30 now i'm usually sitting here when the resource pig runs
[13:04] <_marx_> now i'm off to do one of my favorite things, vinyl siding, i'll be back in ten years to fix the water damage
[15:08] <akgraner> _marx_, here is your answer - http://askubuntu.com/questions/36251/is-there-a-way-to-change-what-time-the-update-manager-checks-for-updates
[15:08] <akgraner> I <3 Ask Ubuntu!
[16:13] <jeffrash> Any one running 11.04 beta yet?
[16:31] <Italian_Plumber> was that released today?
[16:50] <jeffrash> I'm not sure when it was released
[16:50] <jeffrash> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/natty/beta
[16:51] <jeffrash> I read that beta 2 was out or coming on OMG Ubuntu a few days ago
[16:51] <jeffrash> it's there now
[17:04] <holstein> jeffrash: ive been running a testing version for a while now
[17:04] <holstein> a month or so
[17:05] <jeffrash> any major issues?
[17:05] <holstein> depends
[17:06] <holstein> i mean, im not running maverick anywhere that is matters ;)
[17:06] <holstein> but, a casual desktop machine
[17:06] <holstein> where you know what you're getting into
[17:06] <holstein> i would run natty now
[17:07] <jeffrash> I am very happy with maverick.  It's natty I'm not sure of.
[17:07] <jeffrash> I think I do a VM and see what happens
[17:08] <jeffrash> I'll do
[17:08] <holstein> well, either you like unity or not
[17:08] <holstein> its not a bug though ;)
[17:08] <holstein> its a feature
[17:08] <jeffrash> right
[17:08] <holstein> other than the big UI change
[17:08] <holstein> most everything else is stable as it should be
[17:22] <jeffrash> ok, thanks
[17:22] <jeffrash> downloading the ISO now
[17:26] <akgraner> jeffrash, I am
[17:28] <holstein> akgraner: no deal breakers right?
[17:31] <akgraner> nope
[17:32] <akgraner> I'm loving it
[17:32] <jeffrash> good to know
[17:32] <jeffrash> thanks
[18:02] <jack_> i heard unity is great compared to gnome-shell :x
[18:06] <akgraner> haven't tried it yet - I'll check Fedora 15 this weekend though
[20:33] <jeffrash> no joy with 11.04b2 in Virtual Box
[20:35] <jeffrash> Upgrading my D420 laptop to 11.04b2 instead
[20:35] <jeffrash> If it doesn't work, I needed to rebuild it anyway
[21:34] <_marx_> jeffrash: natty failed to run unity in my vbox test ahhh 'bout two weeks ago
[21:34] <_marx_> video issues
[21:35] <Tracy_P> VirtualBox or VMware Player?
[21:37] <_marx_> virtual box from sun/oracle
[21:37] <_marx_> not the ose version
[21:39] <_marx_> akgraner: that is perfect, i didn't know about ask ubuntu
[21:40] <Tracy_P> I know this is bordering near the ban list... Does your version of VirtualBox run the Areo of the Microsoft OS's?
[21:40] <_marx_> haven't tried
[21:40] <_marx_> i did not enable 3d in the guest so that is likely the cause
[21:41] <Tracy_P> VMware version 6 is able to, so I'm curious which is a better option
[21:41] <_marx_> ic
[21:42] <_marx_> actually opensuse 11.4 kde somehow started it's 3d desktop effects on install
[21:42] <_marx_> which just about completely locked up the vm
[21:49] <Tracy_P> I'm sure host hardware will have a lot to do with that too.
[21:50] <_marx_> yeah, my current host has an intel 9xx video, was using an nvidia agp card on another now deceased box
[23:38] <jeffrash> no Broadcom wireless in 11.04
[23:38] <jeffrash> The STA driver is loaded but not working
[23:38] <holstein> jeffrash: :/
[23:38] <jeffrash> 11.04b2
[23:40] <holstein> jeffrash: hmmm
[23:40] <holstein> jeffrash: is the other one available
[23:40] <jeffrash> what's the command to get my card version again?
[23:41] <jeffrash> no, only STA
[23:42] <holstein> jeffrash: try lspci -vv
[23:42]  * holstein is att he WNCLUG :)
[23:42] <holstein> at*
[23:48] <jeffrash> just found an article that it broke in beta 2
[23:48] <jeffrash> kernel problem
[23:49] <jeffrash> got to run, I'll fix it later
[23:49] <jeffrash> thanks guys
[23:52] <holstein> jeffrash: good luck