[00:14] <vychune> o/
[01:00] <vychune> heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
[01:07] <chris4585> pace_t_zulu, I was until today, basically instead of basename which gives you the filename, it will give you the dir up until the filename
[01:07] <chris4585> I didn't know it existed until today
[01:08] <chris4585> chris@RX881:~$ basename Movies.txt
[01:08] <chris4585> Movies.txt
[01:08] <chris4585> chris@RX881:~$ dirname /home/chris/Movies.txt
[01:08] <chris4585> /home/chris
[01:08] <chris4585> simple but powerful..
[01:09] <chris4585> or rather
[01:09] <chris4585> chris@RX881:~$ basename /home/chris/Movies.txt
[01:09] <chris4585> Movies.txt
[01:18] <linuxman410> anyone here
[01:25] <vychune> me
[01:26] <vychune> need some help with sum?
[01:26] <linuxman410> ubuntu 11.04 is junk i cannot get it to go full screen on my 22 inch monitotr even in classic mode
[01:27] <chris4585> linuxman410, is there an auto button?
[01:27] <linuxman410> on monitor
[01:28] <vychune> how old is the monitor
[01:28] <linuxman410> monitor is a couple of years old about 2
[01:29] <linuxman410> is chakra a rolling release
[01:29] <vychune> tryed the auto adjust?
[01:29] <linuxman410> tried the auto ajust nothing
[01:29] <chris4585> linuxman410, yes
[01:29] <vychune> what model?
[01:30] <chris4585> linuxman410, have you tried rebooting with 11.04?
[01:30] <linuxman410> it is a gateway 22 in monitor
[01:30] <vychune> drivers?
[01:30] <linuxman410>  i have rebooted a bunch of times only shows up on right half of screen
[01:31] <linuxman410> 10.10 worked just fine same monitor
[01:32] <vychune> login screen does the same thing/
[01:32] <vychune> ?
[01:32] <linuxman410> yes
[01:33] <chris4585> linuxman410, does the video card have multiple outputs and one plugged in possibly?
[01:33] <chris4585> linuxman410, what happens if you try ctrl+al+f2 ?
[01:33] <chris4585> alt*
[01:34] <linuxman410> nothing
[01:35] <chris4585> strange..
[01:35] <vychune> mooooooooooooo
[01:35] <chris4585> linuxman410, perhaps you should wait until the final is released to try again?
[01:35] <linuxman410> chris4585 is chakra secure enough to pay bills as long as it is updated
[01:35] <vychune> does the live cd do the same?
[01:35] <linuxman410> vychune yes
[01:35] <vychune> damn
[01:36] <vychune> u may need the drivers this time
[01:36] <vychune> brb
[01:37] <chris4585> linuxman410, I would say so, but it is alpha - beta
[01:39] <linuxman410> chris4585 either that or i am going to try fedora 15 and see what it does
[01:41] <linuxman410> chris4585 i need to find a rolling release instead of one i have to reinstall all the time
[01:41] <chris4585> fedora 15 is also beta but it looks nice with gnome 3
[01:41] <chris4585> linuxman410, well arch / chakra is that
[01:42] <linuxman410> i am downloading chakra right now
[01:42] <chris4585> I saw a 28min review earlier today on fedora 15
[01:43] <linuxman410> i have been using fedora since it first came out on and off
[01:44] <linuxman410> chris4585 there are just a bunch of knuckleheads in their irc channel though
[01:46] <linuxman410> they always have something smart to say when u ask a question
[01:49] <chris4585> I wouldn't know I try to figure things out my own way.. and don't bother asking in support channels
[01:49] <chris4585> usually it leads no where
[01:56] <linuxman410> chris4585 fedora 15 does not work either
[01:56] <linuxman410> so next
[01:57] <linuxman410> chakra is next
[01:59] <chris4585> maybe its something to do with your drivers?
[01:59] <chris4585> what video card do you have?
[02:00] <linuxman410> intel 845 built in
[02:01] <linuxman410> i booted up tried to change resolution it will not let me
[02:02] <vychune_unclelou> then it is the drivers and i said that long ago
[02:03] <linuxman410> but it works fine with 10.10\
[02:04] <vychune> the drivers may have been removed
[02:05] <linuxman410> well if ubuntu removed drivers for a video card i will have to find another os
[02:06] <linuxman410> my
[02:06] <linuxman410> video card
[02:07] <linuxman410> cause i cannot afford new hardware
[02:08] <linuxman410> ubuntu does not have to act like windows release a upgrade and have to buy a new computer
[02:08] <vychune> just install it
[02:08] <vychune> and i may be worng
[02:08] <linuxman410> vychune it did not find no restricted drivers
[02:12] <vychune> oh yeah forgot about that daig
[02:12] <chris4585> linuxman410, I would wait and see the final released to make final judgments
[02:12] <vychune> *diag
[02:13] <linuxman410> well if it does not support it with final release then i change oses
[02:15] <linuxman410> see everyone is suping up linux so it does not run on old hardware no more even lubuntu is going to unity
[02:16] <linuxman410> debian 6 did not go to unity they stayed regular gnome
[02:17] <linuxman410> debian 6 still supports old hardware
[02:21] <linuxman410> even freegeek in portland is still with ubuntu 8.04 according to their website
[02:24] <vychune> smh
[02:30] <chris4585> linuxman410, wha? lubuntu going to unity?
[02:33] <linuxman410> yes i sam subsribed to their email and lubuntu is going to unity
[02:37] <chris4585> well before you put it down have you tried unity 2d?
[02:37] <chris4585> it uses qt which might work kind of well on older computers
[02:38] <linuxman410> chris4585 i tried unity 2d same thing half a screen cannot change resolution
[02:39] <chris4585> linuxman410, this appears to be a driver issue, unity 2d wouldn't have a thing to do with that though
[02:40] <linuxman410> chris4585 maybe it is a glitch in the beta
[02:40] <chris4585> maybe
[02:40] <chris4585> I've been running it for the past ~3months
[02:48] <chris4585> fedora does some things strangely.. why is the iso file named .diso ?
[02:52] <chris4585> whoo torrents are awesome, downloading the fedora iso in less than 5mins
[03:10] <vychune> LOL
[03:14] <chris4585> I wont lie, I'm a bit over surprised and shocked by how well fedora 15 is..
[03:14] <vychune> lol brb
[05:00] <chris4585lappy> I'm loving gnome3, and starting to think ubuntu made the wrong decision..
[05:20] <Juzzy> welcome to ubuntu
[05:20] <Juzzy> ;/
[05:20] <Juzzy> I'm so not impressed with ubuntu desktop
[05:39] <chris4585lappy> Juzzy, unity is alright but doesn't compare to gnome3
[11:47] <wrst> chris4585: I agree what distro are you using gnome 3 on?
[12:04] <cyberanger> wrst: your up early, bad night?
[13:03] <wrst> no cyberanger just the usual
[13:03] <wrst> how are you doing cyberanger?
[13:03] <cyberanger> reasonable
[13:04] <cyberanger> some things have simplified, some things are complicated
[13:04] <cyberanger> it's just a funny week
[13:04] <wrst> such seems to be the course of life :)
[13:05] <cyberanger> indeed
[14:18] <vychune> o/
[14:29] <Xpistos> Hey vychune
[14:29] <vychune> long time no see dude
[14:29] <Xpistos> seriously
[14:29] <Xpistos> wrst where be you
[14:29] <Xpistos> pace_t_zulu
[14:30] <Xpistos> need some cron love over her dudes
[14:30] <vychune> lol
[14:30] <Xpistos> vychune: what you got going on today brutha
[14:30] <wrst> hey pace_t_zulu
[14:30] <vychune> linuxmanyou awake?
[14:30] <wrst> i mean hey Xpistos :)
[14:30] <Xpistos> lol
[14:30] <vychune> sit around doing nothing
[14:30] <Xpistos> is that a Greek Slur?
[14:30] <Xpistos> !
[14:31] <Xpistos> ?
[14:31] <wrst> not intentional :)
[14:31] <vychune> my job left for jackso, TN im all alone
[14:31] <Xpistos> Is that good or not good?
[14:31] <vychune> not good
[14:32] <vychune> im broke that the Govt
[14:32] <vychune> *broker
[14:33] <Xpistos> I feel ya
[14:33] <Xpistos> I am broke as a joke
[14:33] <Xpistos> I am so Poo, I can't afford the R
[14:33] <Xpistos> I am so broke, I can't afford to pay attention
[14:34] <cyberanger> Xpistos: cron you say
[14:34] <Xpistos> I am looking at the dog eat everymorning and thinking two things: Man that Alpo looks good OR Doggie Kabobs?
[14:34] <Xpistos> cyberanger:
[14:34] <vychune> ROTFLLOL
[14:36] <pace_t_zulu> Xpistos: i probably can't be available till this afternoon... but i'll be happy to help then
[14:37] <Xpistos> pace_t_zulu: Oh well, I have church crap and teenage son in school crap to do then, but we will hook up later
[14:38] <Xpistos> cyberanger: I ask #linux about cron stuff and i get "man cron" doesn't quite help me here
[14:39] <vychune> lol
[14:39] <pace_t_zulu> Xpistos: maybe i can help quickly... what are you trying to do?
[14:41] <pace_t_zulu> ...
[14:43] <pace_t_zulu> well i have to go... catch y'all later
[14:45] <Xpistos> Damn my work sched!
[14:49] <wrst> Xpistos: what are you trying to do ?
[14:54] <cyberanger> Xpistos: sounds about right
[14:54] <cyberanger> what's the details here
[14:56] <Xpistos> ok
[14:57] <Xpistos> I have to set an email backup to run at 1 am every morning
[14:57] <Xpistos> the catch is, I can't test it because it will shut down the email server
[14:57] <Xpistos> The command is a preset script
[14:57] <Xpistos> what I need to do is tell the cron to run the script everday
[14:58] <Xpistos> I tried crontab -e
[14:58] <Xpistos> and added the script, but
[14:58] <Xpistos> no love
[14:58] <Xpistos> and I don't know where to find it now?
[14:58] <Xpistos> Thank You!
[14:58]  * Xpistos bows and then puts the business end of his glock in his mouth
[14:59] <Xpistos> I am a WEEE bit frustrated with this
[14:59] <Xpistos> Which you all know is so out of character for me
[14:59] <cyberanger> Xpistos: don't do that, that's a waste of a perfectly good bullet
[14:59] <cyberanger> wait, that didn't come out right
[15:00] <Xpistos> ouch
[15:00] <cyberanger> what did you put into crontab when you did that
[15:01] <Xpistos> let's see
[15:01] <Xpistos> 0 1 * * * root /usr/src/ oZimbraBackup_1.0.1/oZimbraBackup.sh
[15:03] <cyberanger> hrm
[15:04] <cyberanger> something seems off on that, let me compare mine
[15:06] <Xpistos> and I do crontab -e to add it
[15:07] <cyberanger> seems I may have spotted the issue,
[15:07] <cyberanger> sudo crontab -e to edit it
[15:08] <cyberanger> include adding additional jobs
[15:08] <cyberanger> why the space here "/usr/src/ oZimbraBackup_1.0.1/oZimbraBackup.sh"
[15:08] <Xpistos> well as much as you are going to hate this it is in the user account. Not my decision and I have bitched about ti before
[15:08] <Xpistos> no space
[15:09] <Xpistos> /usr/src/oZimbraBackup_1.0.1/oZimbraBackup.sh
[15:09] <cyberanger> so "0 1 * * * root /usr/src/ oZimbraBackup_1.0.1/oZimbraBackup.sh" was a typo?
[15:10] <cyberanger> the cronjob is? or the backup?
[15:22] <Xpistos> yues
[15:22] <Xpistos> no space in the cronjob
[15:23] <cyberanger> Xpistos: is that the line nano shows with sudo crontab -e?
[15:24] <cyberanger> if so, I think I see the issue
[15:24] <Xpistos> let me check
[15:27] <vychune> o/
[15:27] <cyberanger> hey vychune
[15:28] <cyberanger> does your arm ever get tired? :-)
[15:28] <vychune> of doing what?
[15:29] <Xpistos> cyberanger: nano doesn't show anything
[15:30] <Xpistos> I don't see the job anywhere and not sure where to look
[15:30] <Xpistos> This is also a Centos Based server
[15:30] <vychune> member:identifier:xpistos still working on cron huh?
[15:30] <Xpistos> yep
[15:31] <cyberanger> Xpistos: sudo crontab -e shows nothing?
[15:31] <Xpistos> yep
[15:32] <Xpistos> I added it by typing cronjob -e and a vi editor openend , which I can't stand
[15:37] <wrst> Xpistos: nano is for little girls ;)
[15:37]  * wrst uses nano :)
[15:37] <Xpistos> cyberanger: should I add it that way?
[15:37] <cyberanger> yes
[15:37] <Xpistos> or should I be in /etc/cron.daily and at it there
[15:37] <cyberanger> wrst: vi is a pain though
[15:37] <Xpistos> or add it there
[15:38] <cyberanger> Xpistos: crontab it
[15:38] <Xpistos> wrst: So I am a little girl
[15:38] <wrst> i agree cyberanger, i don't understand the vi love?
[15:38] <Xpistos> how do I edit it with nano?
[15:38] <Xpistos> crontab -e opens vi
[15:38] <cyberanger> Xpistos: sudo crontab -e
[15:38] <cyberanger> oh, your editor isn't, right
[15:39] <Xpistos> rihgt
[15:39] <cyberanger> check that nano is an option first
[15:39] <Xpistos> how
[15:39] <Xpistos> oh it is
[15:39] <cyberanger> ok
[15:40]  * Xpistos starts singing a Justin Bieber song in the corner ...
[15:40] <Xpistos> "baby, baby, baby"
[15:41] <cyberanger> Xpistos: type 'which nano' if you would
[15:41] <Xpistos> /user/bin/nano
[15:41] <cyberanger> and please don't do that again, each time Bieber sings, a kitten is mauled to death
[15:42]  * Xpistos hates cats
[15:42] <Xpistos> I feel a chorus of Never Say Never coming up
[15:42] <cyberanger> this just makes sure we can do this, we'll come back to adding it long term
[15:43] <cyberanger> 'EDITOR=/user/bin/nano sudo crontab -e'
[15:43] <vychune> what is so wrong with justin bieber?
[15:44] <Xpistos> lol
[15:45] <Xpistos> "user"
[15:45] <Xpistos> okay I see it now
[15:45] <cyberanger> vychune: should I list alphabetically or chronalogicly
[15:46] <vychune> whatever works for you
[15:47] <cyberanger> vychune: Usher as a role model would be a good start
[15:47] <Xpistos> Okay I am looknig at it in cron
[15:47] <vychune> whats wrong with that?
[15:47] <Xpistos> # Email backup to windows server
[15:47] <Xpistos> 0 1 * * * root /usr/src/ oZimbraBackup_1.0.1/oZimbraBackup.sh -msg-diff > /dev/null 2>&1
[15:48] <vychune> as long as you dont look behind the scenes
[15:48] <Xpistos> "Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain"
[15:48] <vychune> pointing and picking the women he wants
[15:52] <Xpistos> cyberanger: oh, and for some reason my "A" record was point to the wrong place at godaddy that is why my ssh wasn't working
[15:53] <Xpistos> so a few more days
[15:54] <cyberanger> Xpistos: ah
[15:54] <cyberanger> I'm seeing a space again
[15:55] <cyberanger> that's part of it
[15:55] <cyberanger> "0 1 * * * root /usr/src/ oZimbraBackup_1.0.1/oZimbraBackup.sh -msg-diff > /dev/null 2>&1"
[15:55] <Xpistos> damn
[15:55] <Xpistos> I didn't see that
[15:55] <cyberanger> that's what you have?
[15:55] <cyberanger> and remove root
[15:55] <cyberanger> it's implied anyhow
[15:56] <cyberanger> those two should allow it to run
[15:56] <cyberanger> provided permissions are right, and the script itself works
[15:56] <Xpistos> 0 1 * * * /usr/src/oZimbraBackup_1.0.1/oZimbraBackup.sh -msg-diff > /dev/null 2>&1
[15:56] <cyberanger> sudo chmod +x /usr/src/oZimbraBackup_1.0.1/oZimbraBackup.sh
[15:56] <cyberanger> yes
[15:57] <Xpistos> I am checking that right now
[15:58] <cyberanger> actually, in crontab -e, I'd change 0 1 to 0 3
[15:58] <Xpistos> why?
[15:58] <Xpistos> can I change the name of the file?
[15:58] <cyberanger> 1 AM for email seems likely, we've chatted past 1AM before
[15:58] <Xpistos> cause it is saving it as /tmp/crontab.XXXhpDzjV
[15:58] <Xpistos> these are for work not home
[15:59] <Xpistos> so 6pm everyone is gone
[15:59] <cyberanger> ah, then that's good
[15:59] <Xpistos> I would like the file to be called crontab.embackup
[16:00] <cyberanger> don't change that, it's being saved to tmp cause there is a script that follows that takes it an has it applied to the current cron daemon
[16:00] <cyberanger> when you close, that file will vanish shortly
[16:01] <Xpistos> cdit has full permissions
[16:01] <Xpistos> it has full perms
[16:01] <Xpistos> yes I don't see it there
[16:01] <Xpistos> now if I want to edit it. Where can I find it?
[16:02] <Xpistos> and I have two other crontab.XXXX files that do show up
[16:02] <Xpistos> can I delete those
[16:02] <cyberanger> their in /tmp right?
[16:02] <Xpistos> yes
[16:03] <cyberanger> leave them
[16:03] <Xpistos> ok
[16:03] <cyberanger> that directory has a way of managing itself
[16:03] <cyberanger> short of any real problems
[16:22] <vychune> did i get kicked or something
[16:24] <cyberanger> you quit
[16:25] <cyberanger> according to the message I see, perhaps a networking glitch
[16:36] <vychune> mustve stepped on my wire
[16:38] <chris4585> wrst, fedora and it was all beautiful
[16:39] <cyberanger> I keep trying to do that at the library, used to wires, wifi is just so odd
[16:39] <cyberanger> chris4585: and yum?
[16:39] <cyberanger> Xpistos: but you cannot test it, right?
[16:39] <Xpistos> not now
[16:39] <Xpistos> but I will know in the morning
[16:39] <chris4585> cyberanger, I don't know the first thing about yum
[16:40] <Xpistos> I am off tomorrow, but I will check it to make sure cause we need to get this retnetion policy setup
[16:40] <Xpistos> well this one uses apt actually
[16:40] <Xpistos> CentOS with Apt-Get
[16:40] <Xpistos> Clear OS - gateway/firewall
[16:40] <wrst> chris4585: i agree with you about unity
[16:41] <chris4585> unity could be as good as gnome but I think mark has blinders on
[16:41] <cyberanger> Xpistos: perhaps we want to edit it one more then, have output to a file, instead of /dev/null
[16:41] <cyberanger> further proof it's working, and we'll go back once it is
[16:42] <wrst> chris4585: i agree why depart from gnome 3 when it is very good now and will only improve
[16:42] <Xpistos> well the script will shutdown the email server so that can't happen now
[16:42] <wrst> you could put the ubuntu touch on it and have something much better out of the box
[16:42] <chris4585> exactly
[16:42] <wrst> chris4585: i think unity looks dated/old compared to gnome 3
[16:42] <Xpistos> you can add gnome 3 to ubuntu
[16:42] <chris4585> a little bit, its not as dynamic
[16:42] <chris4585> indeed you can but thats not the argument
[16:43] <chris4585> the argument is that ubuntu made the wrong choice
[16:43] <wrst> yes chris4585
[16:43] <wrst> i certainly agree
[16:43] <wrst> chris4585: i love ubuntu but i don't see me using it much with unity
[16:45] <chris4585> yeah, I'm currently using ubuntu / unity on my desktop and wish I had gnome 3 on it, but I'm keeping  unity to see how it turns out by release
[16:45] <chris4585> fedora / gnome3 on my laptop and its so awesome..
[16:47] <wrst> chris4585: i agree i was shocked at how well i liked gnome 3 after hearing all the negatives against it
[16:47] <wrst> there are some work flow things that take some getting used to
[16:47] <wrst> but as they say if you use it for a week
[16:47] <chris4585> the only thing I wish gnome3 had is the global menu and the controls on the panel.. that would make it complete
[16:48] <chris4585> wrst, exactly, at first I hated unity but after using it on my laptop for a week I liked it
[16:48] <wrst> chris4585: i'm not so big of a fan of the global menu especially since i use dual monitors some
[16:48] <chris4585> ah I'd say not then, but I love it
[16:48] <wrst> but i think they could tone down the theme a little to save some space that would be nice
[16:48] <chris4585> wrst, did you edit gnome3 so it has minimize too?
[16:49] <wrst> but over all gnome3 > unity
[16:49] <wrst> chris4585: yes
[16:49] <pace_t_zulu> Xpistos: why do you need the script to shutdown the email server?
[16:49] <wrst> chris4585: do you have the gnome-tweak-tool installed?
[16:49] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: part of the backup process
[16:49] <chris4585> wrst, no, I don't know fedora well enough..
[16:49] <wrst> just use the pacakge gui and search for it, has some useful settings
[16:50] <cyberanger> Xpistos: I understand it can't be run now, but when it runs tonight, you'll have more data, more proof it did run
[16:50] <cyberanger> when you check it in the morning
[16:50] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: you reckon it's a necessary part? shouldn't the server have some functionality that allows you to export a backup if its running (if it is ill advised to run an ordinary backup with the server running)
[16:50] <chris4585> wrst, I'm surprised its in there, installing
[16:51] <pace_t_zulu> Xpistos: you can use a dummy cronjob that doesn't shut down the server to test and be sure that you've got your crontab right
[16:51] <wrst> chris4585: i think from the cli it would be # yum install gnome-tweak-tool
[16:51] <wrst> if i remember yum at all
[16:51] <wrst> chris4585: i think that should be standard with gnoem actually, its not 100% ad you have to log out and back in for many changes to take place
[16:51] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: that is correct yum syntax
[16:52] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: to an extent, some daemons are that big a kludge, so it depends on what's actually rused
[16:52] <wrst> thanks pace_t_zulu its been a while after opensuse and fedora can't say i'm fond of the 'rpm' based distros
[16:52] <pace_t_zulu> the gnome tweak tool i believe is not standard in gnome 3 ... it's just a stopgap till they flesh out the control panels
[16:52] <cyberanger> and I did forget about a dummy run, but it won't test the actual script
[16:52] <cyberanger> too
[16:52] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: i think you are correct
[16:53] <pace_t_zulu> i doubt the gnome tweak tool is an official part of gnome
[16:54] <pace_t_zulu> i'm going to have to go afk for a little bit at 11
[16:54] <chris4585> wrst, I agree completely that or gnome improve their settings
[16:54] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: you saw my latest PM?
[16:55] <Xpistos> pace_t_zulu: hit me with one big pappa!
[16:56] <wrst> but chris4585 hurts me to leave ubuntu but i think if i set anything up for people it will probably be kubuntu now
[16:56] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: you're a definite maybe ... ? for the natty party
[16:57] <chris4585> in all seriousness, I don't really try to set people up with ubuntu anymore, it just gives me a headache and I'm tech support until someone dies
[16:58] <wrst> ha ha what do you do chris4585? just fix windows?
[16:58] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: the desire is there, two things got added to that same weekend since we planned it, one was a clerical error
[16:59] <cyberanger> so yes, not confirmed, but extremely high odds
[16:59] <cyberanger> 90%
[16:59] <chris4585> wrst, pretty much
[17:00] <cyberanger> one thing might much it up, and as it currently stands, puts me roughly 20-30 minutes late
[17:00] <wrst> depends on the situation with me chris4585
[17:00] <chris4585> bbiab
[17:00] <wrst> if they are straight up browse the web, chat/IM, email i put ubuntu on their machine
[17:01] <cyberanger> it's a meeting, never leave on time, either early or late, and I'm factoring the usual when I say that
[17:01] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: does that make sense?
[17:02] <Xpistos> How can I setup a dummy cronjob
[17:02] <cyberanger> wrst: I've wound up in a middle ground, lubuntu or crunchbang
[17:04] <cyberanger> Xpistos: we can create another crontab set to go off at 11:30
[17:04] <cyberanger> that'd be the best way
[17:04] <Xpistos> okay well what do I put like touch testfile or something like that
[17:05] <wrst> lubuntu is a possibility, but i think kubuntu is the easiest transition from someone who has been a windows user
[17:09] <Xpistos> 15 11 * * * touch /tmp/testfile
[17:10] <Xpistos> look okay?
[17:11] <cyberanger> it's gotta be 20 11 now
[17:11] <cyberanger> a certain amount of time to kick in
[17:11] <Xpistos> time on server is 11:10
[17:11] <cyberanger> OH, and one blank line at the end
[17:11] <cyberanger> yes, plus at least 5 minutes
[17:12] <Xpistos> okay 6 mins from now
[17:12] <cyberanger> (the commands run on time, but we're adding too close to the time, a update delay of 5 minutes I think)
[17:12] <cyberanger> one blank line at the end
[17:13] <cyberanger> hit enter twice
[17:13] <Xpistos> do I have to have blank lines after each cron command in there or just after the end
[17:13] <cyberanger> for sure, just after
[17:13] <cyberanger> mine is just at the end
[17:13] <Xpistos> you should post a copy of your crontab so I can see
[17:20] <cyberanger> 2 */12 * * * /usr/local/bin/mirrorbuild.sh
[17:21] <cyberanger> that runs 2 minutes after the hour, every 12 houls
[17:21] <cyberanger> I've got others on other servers, happen to have that one close by
[17:28] <Xpistos> mtest file worked
[17:28] <Xpistos> 18 11 * * * touch /tmp/testfile
[17:28] <Xpistos> worked
[17:31] <cyberanger> ok, so as long as your script itself works, that line looked good
[17:38] <Xpistos> good
[17:39] <Xpistos> now I can do this on my own machine at home too
[17:39] <Xpistos> yeah
[17:42] <Xpistos> anybody know how to make an animate graphic
[17:47] <Xpistos> So am i going to be better off with 10.10 than 11.04 or what?>
[18:17] <pace_t_zulu> xpistos rolls through here like a tornado ... and then he's gone
[18:20] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: i think Xpistos needs a personal tech support :)
[18:20] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: he's doing many (seemingly) unrelated things
[18:21] <wrst> yes, adult ADD/ADHD ?
[18:22] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: that really seems to be something common I help with some tech support with a project and once you get people to focus on the issue at hand they then see how simple it is
[18:22] <wrst> not that all that cron stuff is simple but what i help with usually is simple
[18:23] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: cron doesn't need to be hard.... it's a very simple tool.... he never communicated his problem to me
[18:23] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: i have found there are usually simple tutorials out there for most things in cron
[18:52] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: do you know what his issue was?
[18:52] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: was he just trying to verify the job ran?
[18:53] <wrst> i don't know cyberanger was helping him out, he's a little rapid fire for me to help while i'm at work
[18:58] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: i hear that
[18:58] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: what was the nature of xpistos' cron problem?
[20:33] <pace_t_zulu> i guess no one else is around
[20:36] <pace_t_zulu> my voice just echoes off these walls....
[20:38] <wrst> ha ha i'm here :)
[20:43] <pace_t_zulu> yay
[20:43] <pace_t_zulu> i'm not alone
[20:55] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: fair to assume you will not be available to attend a natty release party?
[20:57] <wrst> yes sir if i tried that it would be fair to assume i would need a divorce attorney :)
[20:58] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: not a problem at all
[20:58] <pace_t_zulu> family always comes first
[21:09] <wrst> i am finding that out more than ever
[21:16] <pace_t_zulu> i imagine it becomes considerably more serious when the little ones arrive
[21:17] <wrst> ha ha more for the mother's sanity :)
[21:37] <chris4585> when you move large files around on a hard drive, it shouldn't take long because the physical file itself doesn't move right? just the header changes
[21:40] <pace_t_zulu> chris4585: if you do an 'mv' it should be pretty much instant
[21:41] <pace_t_zulu> a 'cp' of course copies the file
[21:41] <pace_t_zulu> chris4585: what's the problem/
[21:41] <pace_t_zulu> ?
[21:41] <chris4585> there is no problem just trying to understand
[21:42] <chris4585> its not every day I move 20gbs on my hard drive, so it was instant
[21:48] <chris4585> I wish there was a history window for nautilus that showed every file operation, that would be pretty useful
[21:48] <wrst> chris4585: you still in gnome 3?
[21:49] <chris4585> no my desktop will stay unity for a while
[21:50] <chris4585> my laptop is gnome3 though
[21:50] <wrst> i have it on my laptop and love it, on my desktop i love it two but didn't like how it handled dual desktops but got that resovled
[21:50] <chris4585> ah
[21:51] <wrst> yes only had workspaces on one monitor and that is the intended default
[21:56] <pace_t_zulu> chris4585: isn't journaling supposed to provide some of that functionality
[21:56] <pace_t_zulu> ?
[21:56] <pace_t_zulu> i'm not an expert of file systems
[21:56] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: does that fat titlebar not annoy you at least on the laptop?
[22:14] <wrst> no not really but it is a little wide i will readily admit that
[22:14] <wrst> and wide for no reason pace_t_zulu
[22:14] <wrst> i suspect that will be tweaked in the future
[22:21] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: no doubt it will be tweaked... and no doubt native theming support will be added in the future as well
[22:21] <wrst> yes that is a little bit annoying that it can't really be themed right now
[22:21] <wrst> but i think they have done what they have done well so i'm sure the rest will come
[22:22] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: yea, but theming should never have been release critical...
[22:22] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: that is a feature that can easily be added in the future ... there are bigger priorities for the initial rollout
[22:22] <wrst> yes
[22:22] <wrst> and the default look is very very nice
[22:30] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: its a good first release