[07:29] <sakhi_> mooning
[07:45]  * nlsthzn-work waves
[07:49] <superfly> hi all
[07:51] <nlsthzn-work> superfly: hey
[08:42] <DraZoro> Good morning everyone !
[11:29] <inetpro> how do I know whether a ubuntu server needs a restart after an update?
[11:39] <nlsthzn-work> inetpro: install a gui and you will see the shutdown button will be red :p
[11:39] <inetpro> nlsthzn-work: haha
[11:50] <Vhata> $ tail -n1 /etc/motd
[11:50] <Vhata> *** System restart required ***
[11:51] <inetpro> Vhata: did they have this even in 8.04 Hardy?
[11:51] <Vhata> probably not
[11:52] <Vhata> but your question isn't really a real question
[11:52] <Vhata> servers don't need restarts.
[11:52] <Vhata> you reboot a linux machine for (a) a new kernel, and (b) new hardware
[11:53] <inetpro> Vhata: hmm... 
[11:53] <Vhata> so if your update installed a new kernel, and you want to start running it, then you should reboot (and you can work this out with `dpkg -l | grep linux-image` and `uname -a`)
[11:55] <drubin> inetpro: 
[11:56] <inetpro> Vhata: thanks
[11:56] <inetpro> drubin: .
[11:56] <drubin> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1012637.html   and look for /var/run/reboot-required 
[11:56] <drubin> inetpro: ^ sorry stupid copy and paste
[11:56] <inetpro> drubin: I just read that, thanks
[12:00] <Vhata> drubin: Ubuntu are taking all the fun out of server admin!
[12:03] <drubin> Vhata: No they are giving you time for ibid
[12:03] <drubin> ;-p
[12:09] <tumbleweed> of course /var/run might go away in a year or two. /run seems to be picking up momentum fast
[12:10] <cocooncrash> srsly?
[12:11] <tumbleweed> well, it'll probably be there by the next LTS
[12:11] <tumbleweed> /var/run makes things complicated because it isn't ready yet in initramfs / before /var is mounted
[12:14] <tumbleweed> actually what am I saying it'll still be there, but some more important bits will have switched to using /run instead
[12:28] <cocooncrash> tumbleweed: Hrm, fair enough
[12:58] <Kilos> hiya superfly and all ya other peeps
[12:58] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[12:58]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[12:58] <Kilos> nlsthzn-work, ping
[13:01] <superfly> heya Kilos
[13:01] <nlsthzn-work> Kilos: pong
[13:02] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[13:02] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn-work i got my boets saudi stc modem here and wondered if you or anyone else knows how i can change the firmware to use here in sa
[13:02] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[13:02] <Maaz> You're Welcome I'm sure
[13:03] <nlsthzn-work> Kilos: hmmm... is it locked to the service provider?
[13:04] <Kilos> nl i dont even know how to look for that but cant get it to work here
[13:04] <Kilos> boet had it at vodacom peeps and they just said no ways and sold him another modem
[13:05] <Kilos> when i plug it in it flashes like trying to connect but thats as far as it gets
[13:05] <Kilos> maverick sees itr as a usb modem
[13:07] <Kilos> it says TCT mobile CE0700 inside and the imei number is here too
[13:09] <nlsthzn-work> is it 3G? (I have no clue how you would go about doing anything with it to be honest)
[13:14] <Kilos> something to do with flashing the sofware and installing the right stuff. but i need expert advice so i dont mess it up completely
[13:14] <Kilos> yip its 3g hsdpa
[13:14] <Kilos> must be similar to flashing a cellfone
[13:15] <Kilos> but you need the right firmware available beforehand and need to know how to do it
[13:16] <Kilos> im scared to just try on my own and maybe duff it for good
[13:17] <superfly> Kilos: did you plug it in and then type in "lsusb"?
[13:17] <Kilos> no superfly i dunno about that. can i do it with my cellphone still connected
[13:18] <Kilos> is that list usb devices
[13:19] <Kilos> in my network manager it shows as a modem but cant connect
[13:21] <nlsthzn-work> Kilos: thing is you need a sim card in there with recharge on... and it has been set to use a different provider so you are right... you need to "jail" break it... I am sure there must be one of those dodgy small cell phone shops that can do it for R50.00... and seeing as your not in SaudI I guess no laws will be broken :p
[13:22] <Kilos> boet has tried local cellphone shops
[13:23] <Kilos> i am sure it can be done . i did a cellc fone when i first started but cant go googling now with data so low
[13:24] <Kilos> if i member right it was an aus company that i googled by saying unlock or unblock motorolla fone
[13:25] <Kilos> but with a fone you can type in the unblock code
[13:25] <Kilos> modem got no keyboard
[13:25] <Kilos> hehe
[13:26] <Kilos> i have tried it with this sim outa my fone but it wont connect even after setting up network manager for voda
[13:26] <nlsthzn-work> Kilos: I am pretty sure it will have the same steps as flashing your PC's bios... and the same dangers :)
[13:27] <Kilos> lol yeah thats why i dont wanna try it without advice
[13:28] <Kilos> modems arent cheap
[13:29] <Cybrisbob> Afternoon ubuntu lovers
[13:29] <Kilos> lo Cybrisbob 
[13:29] <superfly> Kilos: put it in, type "lsusb" and look for a device that looks like a modem if you look at the output, then take the device id (something like "0ac0:f30c") and google it
[13:29] <Cybrisbob> So where is the ubuntu natty launch party in Stellenbosch, never heard of the venue
[13:29] <Kilos> ok ty superfly  will try that. see ya later then
[13:30] <Cybrisbob> afk
[13:33] <Cybrisbob> welcome Robert
[13:34] <Cybrisbob> Ok happy easter to all enjoy the long weekend, I am off to break glusterfs
[13:34] <Cybrisbob> cheers
[13:37] <Kilos> would this be it superfly ?
[13:37] <Kilos> Bus 001 Device 017: ID 1bbb:0000 T & A Mobile Phones 
[13:37] <nlsthzn-work> Kilos: looks right
[13:38] <Kilos> ok now i just google the id or must i add something else as well
[13:38] <Kilos> i sukkel with googling
[13:39] <Kilos> never know what to actually google
[13:40] <nlsthzn-work> I'm not sure... I wouldn't have thought of that way to find info... I would have searched for "unlock tct ce0700" or something similar
[13:40] <Kilos> ok i will try
[13:44] <superfly> Maaz: google for usb modem 1bbb:0000
[13:44] <Maaz> superfly: "USB_ModeSwitch ~ View topic - correlation between /dev/ttyUSB* and ..." http://www.draisberghof.de/usb_modeswitch/bb/viewtopic.php?t=310&sid=9847374dd024e427c3f6e01b8d928b3e :: "10.04 - How do I get a 3G USB modem to work? - Ask Ubuntu - Stack ..." http://askubuntu.com/questions/3084/how-do-i-get-a-3g-usb-modem-to-work :: "Ubuntu 10.04 LTS & Alcatel x200" http://forum.sakis3g.org/smf/index.php?topic=39.0 :: "Sakis3G configuration
[13:46] <nlsthzn-work> looks like a very genericaly used device with more specialized instructions flashed to it...
[13:46] <superfly> do you really need to flash it?
[13:46] <superfly> why all the talk about flashing it?
[13:47] <nlsthzn-work> superfly: it has been locked to work on a specific network... and it needs *something* to "unlock: it... maybe the terminology is wrong...
[13:47] <nlsthzn-work> but the idea remains the same :p
[13:48] <superfly> nlsthzn-work: has it actually been locked, or is that just speculation?
[13:50] <Kilos> dunno superfly . boet tried getting it to work here but cell shops say cant be done
[13:50] <Kilos> maybe i am missing somethin
[13:51] <Kilos> it shows in lsusb and network manager but wont connect. just keeps flashing
[13:51] <superfly> Kilos: run "tail -f /var/log/syslog" and watch for error messages when you try to connect
[13:52] <Kilos> ok will try that
[13:52] <Kilos> be back as soon as its done
[13:53] <nlsthzn-work> superfly: most vendors lock their devices where there is more than one supplier in the same country... either that or there is some compatibility issues with the sims maybe... but yes, I am speculating here...
[13:54] <superfly> nlsthzn-work: yeah... I'm just saying, do your investigation, don't rely on hearsay
[13:54] <superfly> and don't rely on a cellphone shop, cause they just want to make money off you ;-)
[13:55] <Kilos> yeah they already sold him another one
[13:55] <nlsthzn-work> superfly: sure... but if you see a something looking like a horse with black and white stripes chances are its a zebra ;)
[13:55] <superfly> nlsthzn-work: unless it's been painted ;-)
[13:55] <nlsthzn-work> only in south africa :p
[14:08] <Kilos> http://paste.ubuntu.com/596936/
[14:08] <Kilos> does that make sense to you superfly 
 GSM modem enable failed: (32) Network personalization PIN required
[14:09] <Kilos> yeah but where you get that from superfly . boet says he didnt put a pin in
[14:10] <superfly> Kilos: it's asking for a "Network personalization PIN" - whatever that is
[14:10] <Kilos> is that the saudi network pin or a voda one
[14:11] <Kilos> i got no pin on my sim
[14:11] <superfly> Kilos: not sure, probably  the Saudi
[14:11] <Kilos> right so that is what i need to unlock then but dunno how to get into a modem
[14:13] <Kilos> i have found this. but dunno what to use
[14:13] <Kilos> http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/how+to+unlock+stc+usb+modem/
[14:14] <Kilos> also another one with password stuff but dunno how to get into the modem even
[14:14] <superfly> Kilos: pffft that's just a search engine honeypot page
[14:14] <Kilos> http://www.sauditechview.com/en/stc-afaq-dsl-shamil-modem-passwords.html
[14:14] <superfly> it's mean to catch people who type the wrong thing in
[14:14] <Kilos> honeypot page??
[14:14] <Kilos> hehe
[14:15] <superfly> Kilos: yes, can you see how it's just a bunch of adverts?
[14:15] <superfly> and nothing that actually relates to what you were searching for?
[14:15] <Kilos> and the second one?
[14:15] <superfly> it killed my browser
[14:16] <Kilos> aw
[14:16] <Kilos> no adds on there but info i dunno how to use
[14:17] <Kilos> which one killed your browser superfly 
[14:17] <superfly> Kilos: no, that page is about routers, not usb modems
[14:17] <Kilos> i use epiphany
[14:17] <Kilos> eish
[14:19] <superfly> Kilos: if you can see what device it is (like /dev/ttyUSB0) then you can try running wvdialconf
[14:20] <Kilos> without sudo?
[14:20] <superfly> actually, you don't even need to know the modem
[14:20] <superfly> Kilos: quite possibly
[14:21] <Kilos> is there something i need to know before i go offline and connect the modem again
[14:21] <superfly> Kilos: not that I can think of
[14:22] <Kilos> ok ty i go see whats there
[14:22] <Kilos> bbl
[14:36] <Kilos> does this help superfly 
[14:36] <Kilos> http://paste.ubuntu.com/596957/
[14:37] <Kilos> it found a modem there seems like
[14:39] <Kilos> sorry to be a nuisance
[14:48] <inetpro> Kilos: /etc/wvdial.conf<Warn>: Can't write '/etc/wvdial.conf.tmp6348': Permission denied
[14:48] <inetpro> line 43
[14:48] <Kilos> hiya inetpro so must i chown the thing hehe
[14:49] <inetpro> Kilos: no
[14:49] <Kilos> how do i get it to work then ?
[14:50] <inetpro> Kilos: I didn't follow the conversation was that output from wvdialconf?
[14:50] <Kilos> yip
[14:50] <inetpro> are you a member of the dialout group?
[14:50] <Kilos> trying to get a stc modem to work in sa on vodacom
[14:50] <Kilos> who are they
[14:50] <inetpro> Kilos: groups
[14:50] <Kilos> the modem comes from saudi
[14:51] <Kilos> who are the dialout groups?
[14:52] <Kilos> i will become a member if it makes the modem work
[14:52] <inetpro> Kilos: try with sudo
[14:52] <Kilos> i am lost here this is like a doctor doing a gearbox overall on an automaitic valiant
[14:53] <Kilos> oh
[14:53] <inetpro> Kilos: google is your friend
[14:53] <Kilos> will try that and see what happens
[14:53] <inetpro> :-)
[14:53] <Kilos> google kills my data which is very low inetpro 
[14:53] <Kilos> i have tried
[14:53] <inetpro> eish
[14:54] <inetpro> Kilos: why you wanting to change your modem?
[14:54] <Kilos> i googled spanne already for this but get nothing i understand
[14:55] <Kilos> i use a cell but can use the modem if i get it working here then the cell can do smses etc
[14:56] <inetpro> ahh
[14:56] <inetpro> Kilos: what is the make and model of the modem?
[14:56] <Kilos> it is a stc on the outside but tct in the inside
[14:57] <inetpro> hmm... maybe I should read above
[14:58] <Kilos> lol
[14:58] <inetpro> Kilos: sadly I can not help right now
[14:58] <Kilos> i dont mind telling you again
[14:58] <Kilos> np
[14:58] <Kilos> i will try with sudo
[14:58] <Kilos> be back later
[15:00] <nuvolari_> o/
[15:17] <eklikeubuntu> Halo?
[15:17] <eklikeubuntu> Is this a South African chat?
[15:18] <eklikeubuntu> exit
[15:19] <Kilos> http://paste.ubuntu.com/596974/
[15:19] <Kilos> looks like it be a bit happier with sudo but still wont connect
[15:19] <Kilos> grrr
[15:42] <nuvolari_> :/
[15:42] <Kilos> lo nuvolari_ 
[15:42] <nuvolari_> lo oom Kilos 
[15:42] <Kilos> hoekom altyd die stert
[15:42] <nuvolari_> I wonder what happened :?
[15:43] <nuvolari> like so oom?
[15:43] <Kilos> thats better
[15:43] <nuvolari> :P
[15:43] <Kilos> what you know about getting a tct usb modem to work 
[15:43] <nuvolari> tct?
[15:44] <Kilos> comes from saudi and i cant get it to work with vodacom
[15:44] <Kilos> yeah modem make tct and service provider is stc
[15:44] <nuvolari> hmm, if it's foreight I'm afraid I can't understand it :P
[15:44] <Kilos> lol
[15:51] <afrodeity> no nukes
[15:52] <Kilos> lo afrodeity 
[15:56] <afrodeity> hi kilos
[15:57] <afrodeity> u don't perhaps know which file to delete to reset amarok 2.4 db?
[15:59] <tumbleweed> froztbyte, Symmetria: debian.mirror.ac.za is still out of sync
[16:00] <afrodeity> simulated reboot
[16:01] <afrodeity> good friday 2moro, time to build a new kernel
[16:20] <afrodeity> reddit went down
[17:30] <Kilos> superfly, if this modem keeps looking for the stc network pin  will installing new firmware clear what it is looking for
[17:31] <Kilos> or how would i get to see and change it/ delete so it doesnt look for a pin
[17:39] <Kilos> should i try follow these instructions
[17:39] <Kilos> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1576997
[17:40] <Kilos> lo rverrips 
[17:40] <rverrips> Yo-yo, Kilo'