[04:11] <Omega> DBO: You here?
[04:12] <DBO> wazzup
[04:12] <Omega> Well, the indicators are all moved to the right, the power menu and part of the me menu is not visible
[04:13] <DBO> screenshot?
[04:13] <Omega> Mhm, uploading
[04:13] <Omega> http://i.imgur.com/MxlDm.png
[04:14] <DBO> Omega, change anything recently?
[04:14] <Omega> Nope.
[04:15] <Omega> I was just browsing the 'web.
[04:16] <DBO> and it just kinda randomly did that?
[04:16] <Omega> Yup.
[04:16] <Omega> I did change a few things today, way earlier though.
[04:17] <Omega> Enabled a few compiz plugins.
[04:17] <DBO> weird
[04:17] <Omega> The only new one I enabled is Scale Addons
[06:58] <seminatty> what is ayatana?
[07:37] <Saamm> Is it possible for default metacity controls on panel to inherit color from GTK themes just like ayatana scrollbars does. The metacity controls for themes other than ambiance and radiance does not look good in unity
[07:56] <didrocks> good morning
[09:52] <om26er> why isn't unity daily ppa updated? I think this would be helpful for a few interested people to report early regressions
[10:02] <smspillaz> om26er: public holiday ?
[10:02] <om26er> smspillaz, here?
[10:03] <om26er> smspillaz, was any further progress made on the invisible window thingy ?
[10:03] <smspillaz> om26er: I haven't gotten the most recent debug output from you yet
[10:03] <smspillaz> at least not as far as I can tell
[10:03] <smspillaz> I get about 400 emails a day, so I may have missed it
[10:04] <om26er> smspillaz, i sent you after that email
[10:04] <om26er> that day
[10:04] <smspillaz> ah ok
[10:04] <smspillaz> it probably got buried then
[10:04] <om26er> yep, it seems
[10:04] <smspillaz> ah ok
[10:04] <smspillaz> missed it "Incredible, as soon as I sent the email from chromium the issue appeared again.
[10:05] <smspillaz> Thanks!"
[10:05] <om26er> haha that
[10:05] <smspillaz> hang on a minute then, I'll look through things
[10:05] <smspillaz> (I probably don't need xwininfo -root -tree anymore)
[10:06] <smspillaz> om26er: out of curiousity
[10:06] <smspillaz> om26er: if you restart compiz, a window actually appears right?
[10:06] <smspillaz> so a window that wasn't there before
[10:07] <om26er> only once i saw a dummy window on unity --replace that was just a blank, resize able window
[10:07] <om26er> but have not seen any window after that
[10:07] <smspillaz> hrm ok
[10:07] <smspillaz> next time it happens, can I get the output of xprop on it too ?
[10:07] <om26er> smspillaz, with the latest attempt you made to fix, the issue now appears after a few hours like 4-5
[10:08] <smspillaz> yeah, that sucks for debugging
[10:55] <cdbs> om26er, lamalex: I'll be off tomorrow, gotta travel a long way
[11:29] <om26er> cdbs, enjoy, traverller :p
[11:30] <jderose> cdbs: have a safe trip... you're off to india, correct?  and you'll see akshatj?
[11:31] <akshatj> jderose, i will go after the UDS ends
[11:31] <om26er> jderose, he'll probably be travelling in KSA
[11:31] <jderose> om26er: gotcha
[11:32] <jderose> akshatj: wait, what are you talking about... where are you going?
[11:33] <akshatj> jderose, I will got to Bhopal after the UDS
[11:33] <akshatj> otherwise I would not be able to attend
[11:33] <cdbs> jderose, om26er, akshatj: Yes, its a journey from Riyadh, SA to Bhopal, India
[11:34] <cdbs> enough to clear all doubts, /me goess off
[11:34] <jderose> akshatj: gotcha... we'd miss you on IRC, so glad you'll attend :)
[11:34] <jderose> cdbs: happy trails!
[12:21] <smspillaz> om26er: poke
[12:22] <smspillaz> om26er: are you able to xkill the invisible window ?
[12:22] <smspillaz> since the output I've got here
[12:22] <smspillaz> suggests that it might just be some application being stupid
[12:23] <smspillaz> because all that happens is that they created some override redirect window and shove it in the middle of screen
[12:23] <smspillaz> .... but then again, we should be painting that ....
[12:24] <smspillaz> om26er: next time you get the issue
[12:24] <smspillaz> om26er: get the xwininfo -root -tree before the issue
[12:24] <smspillaz> err
[12:24] <smspillaz> after the issue
[12:24] <smspillaz> and then metacity --replace &
[12:24] <smspillaz> and then get the xwininfo -root -tree afterwards
[12:24] <smspillaz> I want to see if this is some window we're creating
[12:25] <smspillaz> actually, I might put some code in my debugging debs that overload some X functions
[12:37] <om26er> smspillaz, i was on the pc
[12:37] <smspillaz> om26er: no problem :)
[12:39] <om26er> smspillaz, noted
[12:43] <smspillaz> om26er: thanks :)
[13:25] <spikeb> didrocks, will removing the overlay-scrollbar package make gtk revert back to the old scrollbars?
[13:25] <didrocks> spikeb: yeah
[13:25] <spikeb> ok, thanks
[13:26] <didrocks> om26er_: FYI, I duped https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/768943
[13:26] <didrocks> as for me, it's the master issue
[14:17] <om26er> didrocks, how do you know if a system is able to run unity? is there a test command?
[14:17] <didrocks> om26er: yeah, /usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test -p
[14:18] <didrocks> om26er: this output the result if the system can or can't run unity
[14:18] <didrocks> om26er: it's normally attached to each crash, or if people tells they have graphical issues through apport
[14:19] <om26er> didrocks, do you know if Mobility FireGL 9000 runs unity? there is a bug and the reporter thinks he have a pretty decent system
[14:19] <om26er> bug 758747
[14:20] <om26er> (google is giving me nothing)
[14:20] <didrocks> om26er: I'm not really a GL guy though
[14:20] <didrocks> om26er: there is the result of unity_support_test
[14:20] <didrocks> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/69129743/UnitySupportTest.txt
[14:20] <didrocks> doesn't support OpenGL1.4 (can be the driver as well)
[14:21] <didrocks> and GL fragment program is set to no
[14:22]  * om26er was not aware of UnitySupportTest.txt existed in nearly all bugs
[14:23] <didrocks> om26er: sorry, should have tell you :)
[14:24] <om26er> I should have rather looked closely :p
[14:27] <didrocks> no worry :-)
[14:27] <didrocks> so yeah, if people are telling "why isn't working", well, that means that the fallback detection works in fact :-)
[14:27] <didrocks> and you know how to prove that! :-)
[14:28] <didrocks> (then, if they run unity by hand and it crashes, that's not our problem)
[15:33] <Omega> I'm having this problem right now: http://i.imgur.com/MxlDm.png
[15:58] <kenvandine> om26er_, thx for grabbing bug 768974
[15:58] <kenvandine> upstream ping me overnight, said they think it was a bad merge... whoops :)
[15:59] <om26er_> kenvandine, hehe, should i defer ?
[15:59] <kenvandine> om26er_, no, please distro patch
[16:00] <kenvandine> the bad merge was before the last release
[16:00] <om26er_> oh, ok
[16:00] <kenvandine> nothing on our end... :)
[16:00] <kenvandine> but we need to fix it
[16:00] <kenvandine> good for an SRU
[16:08] <didrocks> om26er_: oh btw, there is this blacklist in the test tool in case you didn't notice
[16:08] <didrocks> om26er_: the blacklist is per card, not driver
[16:08] <didrocks> om26er_: so, if people really want to have it with, let's say, nouveau, (and we blacklist because it's frozen in nvidia), they can:
[16:08] <didrocks> put UNITY_FORCE_START=1 in /etc/environment
[16:09] <didrocks> that will basically tell the test tool "ignore all tests, go ahead"
[16:11] <zniavre_> it can works even if it crashed with the test ?
[17:26] <om26er_> lamalex, how are we on the NEW list now?
[17:28] <om26er_> lamalex, by the start of the week this 135 NEW should come to 70-80 ;)
[17:35] <om26er_> didrocks, Thanks i'll remember that :)
[17:37] <didrocks> om26er_: yw :)
[20:13] <nhaines> Hmm, can someone tell me where the blacklist for the overlay-scrollbars is?
[20:14] <davidcalle> nhaines, ask Cimi_
[20:15] <nhaines> davidcalle: thanks!
[20:15] <nhaines> Cimi_: I'd like to know more about the overlay-scrollbars blacklist.  :)
[20:17] <nhaines> Oh, is it just in os/os-utils.c?  :(
[21:29] <MBarvian> Hello
[21:29] <MBarvian> who would I talk to if my Natty installation constantly hangs on me?
[22:32] <jeffrash> Is this a good place to ask a question about Unity and launcher icons?
[22:34] <spikeb> yes, if you can find anyone around to answer
[22:34] <jeffrash> I see
[22:35] <jeffrash> I have been unable to add my WINE applications like Word or Excel to the launcher
[22:36] <spikeb> known bug :( https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/704187
[22:36] <jeffrash> I can launch them but can't seem to add them to the favorites bar
[22:36] <jeffrash> I see
[22:36] <jeffrash> ok, didn't think to check that
[22:37] <jeffrash> thanks
[22:37] <spikeb> no problem
[22:38] <jeffrash> Unity seems like it would to cool, but so far it's a major pain.
[22:52] <jeffrash> Is there going to be a gubuntu?
[22:52] <jeffrash> gnome ubuntu, now that unity has taken over ubuntu?
[22:53] <ion> How about just picking the Gnome session when logging in?
[22:53] <jeffrash> oh, you can do that?
[22:53] <jeffrash> I didn't know
[22:54] <fta> jcastro, http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=75485  (last comment)
[22:54] <spikeb> yes, you can do that for one more release. then perhaps somebody will put a gnome-shell respin out.
[22:54] <jeffrash> would that be gnome classic?
[22:54] <spikeb> yes jeff
[22:55] <jeffrash> thanks
[22:56] <jeffrash> works
[23:10] <jcastro> fta: I sent that bug to the unity bug triager person, he'll create a new bug and link it.
[23:12] <fta> jcastro, btw, i tested the fixed webapp wmclass in chromium trunk, it mostly works now. i found a regression and upstream is on it. on the unity/bamf side, there's still work to do
[23:14] <fta> jcastro, bamf is not able to see the changes in live (needs a refresh), and i see situation where unity is not able to raise chromium, even if it properly sees it, and shows the expected triangles
[23:16] <DBO> the maximize window thing is because we handle decorate/undecorate in the WM level
[23:16] <DBO> so we clearly have a tracking issue here
[23:18] <fta> bug 711567
[23:19] <DBO> fta, as for the wmapp thing in chromium trunk
[23:20] <DBO> I dont see wmclass thing as the right way to do webapp matching
[23:20] <DBO> a clearer more defined interface would be much better
[23:23] <fta> DBO, not my call. it has been discussed in length in bug 692462
[23:23] <DBO> fta, what is your connection to all this exactly? :)
[23:24] <fta> DBO, i'm the chromium maintainer, but i'm not an upstream dev for it, at least not an active one
[23:25] <DBO> fta, so my long term plan for chromium/firefox/whatever is to use an NPAPI plugin to export information about tab/windows over dbus to whomever (bamf) wishes to consume it
[23:26] <fta> hm, for ch, it's worth starting a thread in the -dev mailing list
[23:27] <fta> the sooner the better i would say
[23:27] <fta> it's already too late for M12 i'm afraid
[23:27] <spikeb> hey DBO, what's the plan for wine apps on the launcher? im curious heh
[23:27] <DBO> fuck wine?
[23:27] <spikeb> haha
[23:28] <DBO> fta, M12?
[23:28] <spikeb> my users won't be pleased to hear that :P
[23:28] <DBO> no seriously though
[23:28] <DBO> wine could work great
[23:28] <fta> DBO, chromium 12. M for Milestone
[23:28] <DBO> but they dont bother to set _NET_WM_PID on their windows
[23:28] <DBO> fta, my plan involves no changes to core of chromium
[23:28] <DBO> its just a plugin
[23:29] <fta> oh
[23:29] <fta> :S
[23:29]  * fta hates plugins
[23:29] <DBO> why?
[23:30]  * spikeb wonders how hard it'd be to hack wine to behave properly
[23:44] <DBO> spikeb, not very hard
[23:44] <DBO> all they have to do is set 1 lousy window property
[23:44] <bitshifternz> I've found a curious bug where if I create a SDL window which is nearly the size of the screen it doesn't get any window borders. Has anyone seeen that before?
[23:45] <spikeb> why aren't we patching wine ourselves then? heh
[23:46] <DBO> spikeb, actually thats odd
[23:46] <DBO> it seems to get set now
[23:46] <DBO> spikeb, are you launching your wine apps with a .desktop file?
[23:53] <spikeb> havent tried in a while
[23:56] <spikeb> but i was, yes.