[00:02] <MichaelKohler> weird.. alt+T (new terminal) and alt+f2 don't work.. but alt+f does (starting the web browser
[00:08] <nemo> in unity?
[00:08] <MichaelKohler> classic
[00:11] <MichaelKohler> sorry, got disconnected
[00:20] <KM0201> majnoon: they should just nuke wubi from orbit.. putting it on the live cd, is terrible... to many people use wubi, and have no idea what they are doing
[00:21] <majnoon> may try on windows 7 virtualbox first]
[00:22] <KM0201> majnoon: what, ubuntu 11.04/
[00:23] <majnoon> yup
[00:23] <KM0201> been a lot of issues getting it working w/  Vbox.. but maybe you'll have better luck
[00:23] <majnoon> see if it working
[00:23] <KM0201> well, jsut cuz it boots(or in many cases, doesn't boot) on vbox, doesn't mean its not working
[00:23] <majnoon> even if x no work can see if the wubi part does
[00:24] <majnoon> on reg partitions have meerkat,opensuse,darwin,vista and freebsd running
[00:25] <majnoon> (mostly boredom and lotsa time)
[00:29] <linuxman410> jcgs you here
[00:29] <linuxman410> i need help with intel 845gl graphics card
[00:29] <jcgs> linuxman410: yeah :)
[00:30] <jcgs> linuxman410: still not fixed yet? :(
[00:30] <linuxman410> jcgs still have not got it fix to change resolution
[00:31] <linuxman410> jcgs how do i rewrite the xorg.conf file and replace existing one
[00:32] <linuxman410> jcgs i lost that link you found me
[00:32] <jcgs> linuxman410: do you have one? it isn't there by default. is this the link you were after? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Bugs/Mavericki8xxStatus
[00:33] <linuxman410> jcgs how do i do this
[00:34] <jcgs> linuxman410: go to the bottom section called "enabling the vesa driver"
[00:34] <linuxman410> jcgs how do i create the file
[00:35] <jcgs> you're using gnome, aren't you?
[00:35] <scb> Well. I found out what updating with a CD just uninstall everything and install the base system.
[00:35] <linuxman410> jcgs yes i am using gnome
[00:35] <jcgs> then press alt+f2 and type "gksudo gedit" (without quotes) and hit enter
[00:36] <jcgs> it should ask for your password, then open the text editor. paste in the file contents and then "save as" /etc/X11/xorg.conf like normal :)
[00:37] <scb> Eitherway, I am experiencing an issue with multiple desktops that I am almost sure is a known bug but which I cant find. When I try to select an app with the unity panel that is in a another desktop "touching" the borders, it doesn't move  to that workspace. Somebody experiencing this?
[00:37] <jcgs> sorry scb, I'm using kubuntu on only one monitor, so I'm no use :(
[00:38] <linuxman410> jcgs now what
[00:38] <majnoon> i find a somethings i LIKE :)
[00:38] <scb> jcgs: how is Kubuntu on this release? I really liked KDE 4.6 but Ubuntu is very well known for its below average kde releases.
[00:39] <jcgs> linuxman410: restart X :)
[00:39] <majnoon> if run wubi from the cdrom it no download :)
[00:39] <linuxman410> restart whole computer
[00:40] <majnoon> <--has  virtual cdroms in vista :)
[00:40] <arand> linuxman410: just loggin out and logging in again should do it..
[00:41] <linuxman410> hang on trying now
[00:42] <majnoon> is there a virtualbox chan on this server ??
[00:43] <jcgs> scb: not bad, never used plain ubuntu because i think gnome looks a bit corny, and kde's structure is closer to windows. they fixed some problems with the graphics, so the desktop effects are much improved.  transparent popups look pretty smart :)
[00:43] <scb> jcgs: interesting, I'll install it. kubuntu-desktop is the meta-package right?
[00:43] <jcgs> also, sorry for being inflamatory about gnome, not generally advisable for long-term peace, tight
[00:44] <scb> jcgs: meh, just use the right tool for the job :-)
[00:44] <jcgs> *right. scb: yeah that's the one.
[00:44] <majnoon> i found out YUP :)
[00:45] <jcgs> i think gnome is a little to close to mac for my liking...
[00:48] <linuxman410> jcgs that went very bad computer will not boot am on backup computer
[00:50] <linuxman410> jcgs now what
[00:51] <Deithrian> yofel_,  well it seams that everything is working finally :) he problem was that when i replace the file in usr/share/blabla/kaffeine/ it changed the "Group" permissions of the file so Kaffeine couldn't read it :) so your build works just fine thanks again
[00:52] <linuxman410> jcgs how can i delete the file we created so computer will boot again
[00:54] <jcgs> linuxman410: what happened? can you login on text terminal (press ctrl+alt+f2)?
[00:54] <jcgs> linuxman410: did you need to reboot
[00:54] <linuxman410> jcgs i rebooted and it stops and hangs up
[00:56] <linuxman410> jcgs is there a safe mode or a way to boot straight into commandline
[00:57] <linuxman410> jcgs i booted in using ctrl alt f2 i am logged in now what
[00:58] <jcgs> do this command: sudo rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[00:58] <hardcold> does anyone know what the rough percentages are of people using Natty on gnome, kde, etc?
[00:59] <jcgs> that will delete the xorg.conf file
[00:59] <majnoon> so far so good in vbox
[00:59] <hardcold> you said you were using KDE right, jcgs?
[00:59] <KM0201> hardcold: be tough to get accurate data on.. you could probably generalize by looking at download statistics of ubuntu, kubuntu, xubuntu, etc
[00:59] <jcgs> hardcold: yeah :)
[00:59] <KM0201> majnoon: you're having better luck than i did from the sounds of it.
[01:00] <jcgs> linuxman410: now do: sudo gdm
[01:00]  * KM0201 is now known as KM0201
[01:00] <KM0201> ;)
[01:00] <hardcold> KM0201, so if I want to use KDE I install Kubuntu?
[01:00] <linuxman410> jcgs i am in gnome desktop now
[01:01] <jcgs> good?
[01:01] <KM0201> hardcold: you don't *have* to do that.. you can install KDE on top of Gnome.. (although i hate mixing the two).. but that would be the only real way to get any sort of statistical data
[01:01] <yofel> well, either kubuntu, or you install 'kubuntu-desktop' in ubuntu and switch from gdm/kdm
[01:01] <linuxman410> jcgs any other ideals i could try
[01:01] <jcgs> hardcold: you could also use a virtualbox if you wanted to try it out
[01:02] <hardcold> it seems like gnome is trying to be more OSX'ish and KDE is trying to be more Windows'ish
[01:02] <jcgs> linuxman410: which xorg.conf did you use?
[01:02] <linuxman410> vesa
[01:02] <jcgs> linuxman410: the one from the top of the page, or the one from the bottom?
[01:03] <linuxman410> jcgs bottom
[01:03]  * yofel is off to bed, gn
[01:04] <jcgs> linuxman410: oh well, just a thought. you could try the other set of instructions? sadly, messing around with the graphics is going to cause lots of things like that to happen, where X just  won't start properly  :(
[01:05] <hardcold> KM0201, do you have a quick link to those download figures?
[01:06] <KM0201> hardcold: no i don't..
[01:06] <KM0201> thats what i was saying, unless you had access to them, it'd be really tough to tell.
[01:06] <hardcold> I'm not successfully googling at the moment
[01:06] <jcgs> linuxman410: which kernel are you using? command: uname -r
[01:07] <KM0201> hardcold: i believe distrowatch.org counts how mahy times a distor has been downloaded... (could be wrong)..  but its not gonna break it down by natty, maverick, etc..
[01:07] <KM0201> hardcold: that might give you a *VERY* general idea
[01:07] <jcgs> hardcold: there probably just aren't any because there's loads of mirrors, and people can get it through bittorent and stuff
[01:08] <KM0201> i wouldn't count on it being very accurate
[01:08] <linuxman410> jcgs 2.6.38-8-generic
[01:08] <jcgs> kk same as me :)
[01:09] <hardcold> KM0201, yeah I was just interest in a rough idea of how many ubuntu users are on kde, gnome, and so on. I assume the majority are on the ubuntu default.
[01:10] <lucas_> hey guys, can someone check this bug out? http://img151.imageshack.us/i/pantallazong.png/
[01:10] <KM0201> hardcold: that would be my guess as well.
[01:11] <lucas_> is weird.... i dont know if theres something wrong with my installation or if this happened to someone else?
[01:11] <hardcold> KM0201, wow. when you google "linux" ubuntu is at the top of the list now.
[01:11] <KM0201> hardcold: that surprises you?
[01:12] <KM0201> although, i have to admit its a little odd that its higher than the 'Linux' wiki..lol
[01:12] <jcgs> when i just googled it, debian was top :S
[01:12] <hardcold> KM0201, wasn't that way the last time I checked. Used to be linux.com
[01:12] <KM0201> wonder if it matters based on what OS you use.
[01:12] <KM0201> anybody here got a windows PC?
[01:12] <KM0201> lol
[01:12] <KM0201> if you google Linux from a windows PC, it probably pops up a malware warning
[01:13] <hardcold> Ah, yeah, I'll check in OSX
[01:14] <jcgs> hardcold: http://imagebin.org/149534 not what you get?
[01:18] <majnoon> ok what is the EASIEST WAY TO GET KERNL HEADERS ??
[01:19] <majnoon> (sorry hit capslock:(
[01:20] <Pici> Install your linux-headers package of choice
[01:24] <linuxman410> jcgs the top one work i have no 3d  effects but i can change resolution
[01:24] <jcgs> linuxman410: that's good :) can you switch the effects on by pressing alt-shift-f12? (may need to do this twice)
[01:25] <mongy> ah, yes...http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/04/how-to-add-folder-quicklists-to-the-home-launcher-in-ubuntu-unity/
[01:28] <KM0201> link fail
[01:29] <scb> I have always wondered how hard it is to have a PPA and make ubuntu packages.
[01:32] <Belial`> anyone using empathy and having a problem setting themselves away in 11.04?
[01:32] <Belial`> keeps going to busy.
[01:34] <mongy> invisible does
[01:35] <mongy> done it since, forever
[01:35] <mongy> 1 more bug never getting fixed ever it seems.
[01:35]  * mongy releases the pidgins
[01:41] <fictive> hi guys, I just dist-upgraded from 10.10 to natty, but I'm not getting unity as my window manager, isn't this supposed to be default?
[01:48] <hardcold> jcgs, no, it's ubuntu at the top in every browser on every platform I haves tested. Keep in mind I don't use cookies and clear flash lso, so I don't get targetted stuff beyond location and browser type.
[01:48] <spacebug-> is there a way to get more than 4 desktops? Is there a way to get rid of the snap area at the buttom right for application windows? (I have a screenlet that is a clock and that looks terrible with that)
[01:50] <Daekdroom> spacebug-, you can get more than 4 desktops through ccsm
[01:50] <spacebug-> I'll look into that, tnx
[01:50] <Daekdroom> Actually, ccsm is compizconfig-settings-manager package
[01:51] <Daekdroom> It's upon "General Options"'s last tab, I thinkj
[01:51] <jcgs> hardcold: indeed, how bizzare, how google mistreats it's users :(
[01:52] <hardcold> jcgs, I'll e-mail you a screenshot
[01:52] <jcgs> hardcold: don't bother, i trust you :) did it in an 'incognito' window (privacy mode) and got ubuntu top :S
[01:53] <hardcold> aha
[01:53] <hardcold> You are Chris, yes?
[01:54] <hardcold> you posted your e-mail address in that shot (perhaps you want to remove it)
[01:55] <hardcold> jcgs, ^^
[01:56] <jcgs> hardcold: how do i do that?
[01:56] <hardcold> jcgs, remove an image from imagebin?
[01:57] <jcgs> yeah, how do i do it?
[01:57] <Belial`> pidgin uses app indicators now too for 11.04, right?
[01:58] <hardcold> jcgs, it appears you can't
[01:58] <hardcold> --yet another reason I don't use cookies let alone google tracking "services"
[01:59] <hardcold> it's no big deal, though
[01:59] <jcgs> hardcold: i didn't think about that :(  why does ubuntu recommend it?
[01:59] <hardcold> jcgs, recommend what?
[02:00] <jcgs> !pastebin
[02:00] <jcgs> hardcold: it will be gone in 14 days, or after 2000 images are added, so it's no biggie, i guess
[02:00] <hardcold> well, the probably assume people will not be submitting pictures of stuff they don't want other people to see?
[02:01] <hardcold> jcgs, yeah, like I said, no big deal
[02:01] <hardcold> but next time you may want to crop before you post, or double check what it is your are sending (or sent, for that matter)
[02:02] <hardcold> I shouldn't have said anything, I just notice details.
[02:02] <jcgs> yeah, i'd normally blur or w/e, but i just didn't think about it. anyway, nice to know that someone else is looking out for you :)
[02:02] <jcgs> ty for that ;)
[02:10] <hardcold> jcgs, I learned something new too, never heard of imagebin before. That's a really handy service! http://imagebin.org/149544
[02:11] <jcgs> yeah. i never used it before either, always just used opera unite (essentially a webserver on my computer)
[02:59] <Aiya> I want to know when I looked at the release of ubuntu 11.04 for netbook edition its stated as "starting with Ubuntu 11.04 the netbook edition has been merged into the desktop edition."    What is that mean?
[03:00] <KM0201> Aiya: it means that the "unity" desktop, on 11.04, is "default"
[03:00] <rww> Aiya: There is no more netbook edition in natty. Instead, the desktop interface adapts to different screen sizes.
[03:02] <buff27> I like the new xubuntu better for my netbook
[03:02] <Aiya> I wounder Im now running on 10.04,So I can update straight to 11.04 right or need to reinstall?
[03:02] <rww> Aiya: you'd need to upgrade to 10.10 and then 11.04.
[03:04] <Aiya> rww  : I have upgrade to 10.10(i test in vertual disk) but the 3D effect is freezing often so I didnt upgrade on my laptop.
[03:08] <Admin__> hi i have installed ubuntu server i need some tool for monitor my network
[03:28] <pmatulis> Aiya: you can use the 11.04 cd
[03:29] <pmatulis> Admin__: monitor what on your network?
[03:35] <Admin__> band width
[03:35] <Admin__> pmatulis: band width
[03:36] <pmatulis> Admin__: one logical place is at a f/w .  iptables f/w can do it
[03:37] <pmatulis> Admin__: http://is.gd/Uv0nJ5
[03:38] <Admin__> ok can it do openmns
[03:38] <Admin__> too
[03:48] <unstable> I have dual screens, my laptop is on the right, and another monitor is on the left. So this unity var is very awkwardly in the middle.
[03:48] <unstable> any advice to change this and make it less clunky for me?
[03:50] <unstable> unity bar* rather
[03:50] <unstable> the vertical bar thing
[04:01] <KM0201> upgrades upgrades upgrades1
[04:02] <unstable> hmm, it looks like there is no good solution
[04:02] <KM0201> man, i just bought this keyboard and the friggn shift key is gioing bad..
[04:02] <unstable> I guess I'll switch back to gnome or something else
[04:02] <KM0201> unstable: no good solution for what?
[04:02] <unstable> I have dual screens, my laptop is on the right, and another monitor is on the left. So this unity vertical bar is very awkwardly in the middle.
[04:03] <unstable> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/683084
[04:04] <Stryker> hello, my install seems to not work perfectly on boot
[04:04] <KM0201> unstable: hmm
[04:05] <KM0201> not messed w/ unity on dual screens yet
[04:05] <unstable> It works badly
[04:05] <unstable> There is no solution.
[04:05] <unstable> except to not use unity
[04:05] <unstable> or get rid of a monitor
[04:05] <Stryker> it goes to a black screen, where it shows those startup sequences and numbers like 2.012x000 or something like that
[04:05] <Stryker> and does not load at all
[04:08] <unstable> o look Shuttleworth has dual screens and he is on this bug report also
[04:08] <unstable> I wonder what he does.
[04:08] <luckybunny> here is the last few lines of output while trying to run compiz on my Natty desktop:
[04:08] <luckybunny> compiz (unityshell) - Error: OpenGL 1.4+ not supported
[04:08] <luckybunny> compiz (core) - Error: InitPlugin 'unityshell' failed
[04:08] <luckybunny> compiz (core) - Error: Couldn't activate plugin 'unityshell'
[04:08] <luckybunny> Segmentation fault
[04:09] <luckybunny> google gives me nothing
[04:09] <Stryker> i don't believe that unity is supported enough to be in the final release officially
[04:22] <KM0201> Stryker: neither was kde4 in its first official release, and they still did it.. to me, the fact unity kinda blows, is totally expected.. but you gotta get people using it, so you can work out the bugs
[04:23] <Stryker> it doesn't work for me at all KM0201
[04:23] <Omega> !ot
[04:23] <KM0201> Stryker: again, its beta, and 2, its just gonna take time..
[04:23] <KM0201> oh geez.. omega are we gonna start this again?.. how on earth is unity off topic?
[04:23] <Stryker> Omega, we are talking about development
[04:23] <KM0201> Stryker: he's doing it cuz you're talking to me.. he has it out fo rme, just ignore him
[04:23] <Omega> This channel is for support.
[04:24] <Stryker> it goes to a black screen, where it shows those startup sequences and numbers like 2.012x000 or something like that
[04:24] <Stryker> my startup^
[04:24] <Omega> Stryker: What ahrdware?
[04:24] <KM0201> Stryker: like i said, its not perfect by any stretch, its just gonna take time..
[04:25] <Omega> hardware*
[04:25] <Stryker> nvidia 8600 gt video card, and a standard compaq body
[04:25] <fictive> are there any problems with VMware and getting compiz with unity to work?
[04:25] <Stryker> yeah
[04:26] <Stryker> i have heard them earlier
[04:26] <fictive> a friend of mine has natty on his desktop natively, working fine for him, I'm running in vmware and I can't get it to work, even went so far as to reinstall from the latest iso
[04:27] <Stryker> vmware isn't a perfect system of course
[04:28] <KM0201> fictive: there was a link posted earlier on getting it to work.
[04:28] <fictive> could it be because vmwaretools is currently for maverick and not for natty?
[04:28] <KM0201> . but i can't remember it.
[04:28] <KM0201> lemme find it
[04:28] <fictive> KM0201: could you refresh me on that?
[04:28] <fictive> thank you
[04:29] <KM0201> fictive: i can't find it unfortunately.
[04:30] <fictive> aw snap
[04:30] <fictive> how far back was it, can you remember?
[04:31] <KM0201> fictive: not far, but my search-foo is strong.. :-)  http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2011/04/21/ubuntu-natty-in-virtualbox-with-unity/
[04:33] <fictive> KM0201: thank you! =) I will try it right now
[04:33] <fictive> err. before I go ahead and delete my whole guest os, any way to remove the vmwaretools?
[04:33] <KM0201> fictive: good luck
[04:35] <KM0201> fictive: not sure...
[04:35] <fictive> no worries, nothing I can't fix in a few minutes anyway =) thanks again
[05:14] <fictive> KM0201: hehe, I didn't notice, but that fix was for virtualbox :p
[05:15] <fictive> doesn't seem to work in vmware
[05:15] <KM0201> fictive: i thought thats what you had.. sorry about that
[05:15] <KM0201> (thought i said it was for vbox.. maybe i was mistaken)
[05:15] <fictive> no problem :)
[05:15] <fictive> thanks for trying anyway!
[05:15] <KM0201> fictive: well.. vbox is a free download.. :)
[05:36] <drmorphias> okay, i dont know where the issue lies with this problem.  I installed openjdk and the browser plugin so i can play runescape.  The game sometimes runs, sometimes freezes the browser, or is just inresponsive.  I am simply having troubles logging in.
[05:36] <drmorphias> Where can i get help with this?
[05:46] <drmorphias> ok better question, where is a step by step for installing sun's java?
[05:47] <rww> !crossposting
[05:47] <rww> please just use the channel you're supposed to be using given your Ubuntu version :)
[05:48] <drmorphias> ok.
[05:49] <drmorphias> just trying to find help :(
[05:50] <drmorphias> i just want to play runescape and i think openjdk is buggy or something.
[05:54] <drmorphias> ok for referance, heres this : http://www.clickonf5.org/linux/how-install-sun-java-ubuntu-1004-lts/7777
[06:05] <KM0201> drmorphias: isn't sun-java6 in the repos?.. or are you looking for something else?
[06:07] <deadhead> there a ppa for google gadgets or a deb amd64 ?
[06:13] <drmorphias> KM0201, it wasn't in the repos, i had to use that link to add and update my repos in ubuntu
[06:13] <KM0201> drmorphias: weird, its in the repos for me
[06:19] <deadhead> http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s3/moonbatty/BOSS-420-FLYER.jpg
[06:19] <deadhead> h333heeh33hee
[06:24] <deadhead> E: Type 'ttp://ppa.launchpad.net/nilarimogard/webupd8/ubuntu' is not known on line 2 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/nilarimogard-webupd8-natty.list
[06:24] <deadhead> E: The list of sources could not be read.
[06:24] <deadhead> Go to the repository dialog to correct the problem.
[06:24] <deadhead> E: _cache->open() failed, please report.
[06:24] <deadhead> what do i do?
[06:24] <deadhead> i can i purge that
[06:24] <rww> deadhead: open the file it mentioned and change ttp to http
[06:24] <deadhead> dont know how
[06:24] <rww> deadhead: you might also be missing a 'deb' at the start of the line
[06:25] <deadhead> how do i launch gedit
[06:27] <seminatty> is there a way to uninstall grub
[06:27] <seminatty> it keeps overwriting my burg bootloader that my main partition has installed
[06:27] <KM0201> seminatty: not really, its written to the mbr.. there's some good windows freeware, to rewrite the windows mbr
[06:27] <rww> seminatty: remove the grub-pc package
[06:28] <KM0201> will that actually uninstall grub?
[06:28] <seminatty> I can reinstall burg over grub with no problem
[06:28] <seminatty> I just don't want natty to install grub each time they push a kernel out
[06:32] <nit-wit> seminatty, you can completely remove grub, as burg is actually grub with bling, but any grub updates will be installed unless you lock it out
[06:33] <rww> nit-wit: why would any grub updates be installed if you remove the grub packages?
[06:33] <rww> is there some silly dpkg rule I don't know about?
[06:34] <nit-wit> rww, may not be the case, but thought worth mentioning, as grub is a great bootloader but not known for always knowing when its wanted ie as in wubi installs.
[06:35] <deadhead> it says i have a synaptic running yet i cant see it
[06:35] <rww> nit-wit: I'm sorry, I can't parse that :(
[06:35] <rww> may just be too late
[06:36] <deadhead> is there terminal command that kills synaptic?
[06:36] <nit-wit> rww, in wubi installs grub will happily go to the mbr no questioned asked of the user
[06:36] <seminatty> nit-wit, burg is on the /boot of another partition -- I have a separate partition for testing natty
[06:36] <nit-wit> rww, sorry wubi grub updates
[06:37] <rww> nit-wit: right, but once you remove the packages, grub updates won't happen, will they?
[06:37] <nit-wit> rwww,not sure just erroring on the side of caution.
[06:37] <rww> k
[06:37] <seminatty> rww, no, that's one of the annyoing things about burg actually, is when you get a kernel update, you have to remember to run update-burg
[06:38] <seminatty> since grub is not installed, there is no auto update
[06:39] <nit-wit> seminatty, in a couple of weeks the grub updates will slow down, I have supergrub on a thumb for just getting back into my main partition and reinstalling burg there as well.
[06:39] <seminatty> is there a simple way to find out what touchpad driver is in use?
[06:39] <seminatty> I want to report a bug on it
[06:39] <nit-wit> faster with supergrub
[06:40] <seminatty> nit-wit, you mean SGD?
[06:41] <nit-wit> seminatty, sgd2
[06:42] <seminatty> cool
[06:42] <nit-wit> doesn't fix grub just gets you in
[06:43] <seminatty> one thing I'm curious about though -- can't you just use the grub natty installs to get into your main partition?
[06:43] <seminatty> since it probes the hard disk for OSes
[06:43] <seminatty> that's how i do it
[06:43] <nit-wit> seminatty, your rewriting the mbr
[06:44] <nit-wit> if it is another OS
[06:44] <seminatty> ... no?
[06:44] <seminatty> i mean natty rewrites the mbr whenever it does update-grub
[06:44] <nit-wit> seminatty,  thiught you said the burg was on a non natty install
[06:44] <softcoder> hello, who can i talk to in order to get something included in natty?
[06:44] <seminatty> yeah
[06:44] <seminatty> that's why I keep losing it
[06:45] <seminatty> it might be a little late for that...
[06:45] <nit-wit> seminatty, so natty does a grub update and you lose the burg in what install?
[06:45] <seminatty> softcoder, you might want to try #ubuntu-motu
[06:45] <softcoder> ok
[06:46] <seminatty> nit-wit, it overwrites burg on the mbr. Burg config lives in my maverick partition.
[06:46] <seminatty> but I can boot into the maverick partition through the grub that natty installs, since it "sees" it
[06:47] <nit-wit> seminatty, same set up as mine, I just use sgd2 to boot to maverick and run sudo burg-install dev/sda    then update
[06:47] <nit-wit> */dev/sda
[06:47] <seminatty> my question to you though is why use sgd2?
[06:48] <nit-wit> seminatty, I only know of two ways to load the mbr from a live cd or the actual install.
[06:49] <nit-wit> sgd2 is faster then booting a mav cd
[06:49] <seminatty> nit-wit, what happens if you boot the computer with no cd in it
[06:49] <seminatty> or usb
[06:49] <nit-wit> if natty loaded a new grub its grub
[06:49] <seminatty> and on that grub, you can boot into your main OS
[06:50] <nit-wit> yes, I seee what your saying yeah boot into mav and change it I wasn't thinking.;(
[06:51] <seminatty> it's cool, it just seemed like a lot of extra work :p
[06:51] <nit-wit> I got thrown by the I keep losing it, and ran with it, a litle 420 here.;)
[06:52] <seminatty> hehehe
[06:52] <seminatty> maybe next year i'll celebrate
[06:53]  * seminatty looks around to see if this channel is publicly logged
[06:53] <rww> seminatty: #ubuntu+1 is publicly logged
[06:58] <seminatty> rww, i'm now looking up all these ubuntu irc channels with interesting names that i've never heard about :p
[07:03] <torchie> like what :o
[07:12] <modulexploited> is it possible to enable the bottom toolbar in Ubuntu 11.04 along with the launcher ?
[07:12] <tshering> my external mic (headset) has stopped functioning in natty... what packages might be at issue?
[07:19] <eruditehermit> hey, anyone got any tips for saving battery life?
[07:19] <eruditehermit> ubuntu seems to drain battery a lot faster than other OSes
[07:34] <topyli> google -> akonadi -> kontact integration is broken, as per https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=268643 - do we know of any workaround? i would really like my clock applet to remind me how busy i am so i can panic accordingly
[07:36] <rww> so weird seeing topyli talk about KDE bugs
[07:36] <topyli> i'm a newbie again. feels great! :)
[07:37] <topyli> so many First Times, creating accounts on bugzillas and such
[07:38] <Saamm> Is it possible for default metacity controls on panel to inherit color from GTK themes just like ayatana scrollbars does. The metacity controls for themes other than ambiance and radiance does not look good in unity
[07:38] <topyli> unity problems live in #ubuntu+1, Saamm
[07:39] <topyli> which we're at, sorry :)
[07:39] <Saamm> topyli, wut this is +1
[07:39] <Saamm> topyli, coffee time? xD
[07:39] <topyli> Saamm: this channel, never mind me :)
[07:39] <topyli> probably
[08:00] <unityproblem> hello people
[08:02] <unityproblem> i am not able o install any packages..
[08:02] <unityproblem> any body canh help?
[08:02] <bazhang> unityproblem, paste.ubuntu.com the output from sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get upgrade
[08:03] <unityproblem> Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[08:03] <bazhang> unityproblem, pastebin please,
[08:04] <unityproblem> http://pastebin.com/4d9eQ6Xn
[08:05] <unityproblem> got it?
[08:05] <bazhang> yep
[08:05] <bazhang> you were trying to fix this earlier iirc
[08:06] <unityproblem> any solution for that?
[08:06] <unityproblem> i waz not able to..
[08:06] <unityproblem> can u help bazhang??
[08:07] <bazhang> unityproblem, check lines 17-21 in that error message and fix first
[08:08] <unityproblem> how do i do it?
[08:08] <unityproblem> ?
[08:09] <unityproblem> any idea??
[08:09] <bazhang> #
[08:09] <bazhang> To view Postfix configuration
[08:09] <bazhang> #
[08:09] <bazhang> values, see postconf(1).
[08:10] <unityproblem> corei5@corei5:~$  postconf(1)
[08:10] <unityproblem> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `1'
[08:10] <unityproblem> corei5@corei5:~$
[08:11] <rye> unityproblem, is there any other administrator on your system? It looks like /etc/newaliases file got a numerical forward domain
[08:11] <rye> /etc/aliases
[08:11] <unityproblem> no i am the only admin..
[08:12] <rww> unityproblem: postconf(1) means the manual page for postconf in section 1 of the manpages
[08:12] <unityproblem> but  iam a newbie to ubuntu so i may  not know if there is any...
[08:12] <rww> the actual command is 'postconf'
[08:12] <rww> and why are you using a development release if you're a newbie :|
[08:13] <unityproblem> coz indont wanna remain a newbie for long time..!!
[08:14] <rye> rww, well, it is still weird to have a numerical domain in /etc/aliases and this breaking an update
[08:14] <rww> rye: I haven't been paying attention to the actual problem, was just commenting on what postconf(1) means.
[08:15] <picca> anyone here have character encoding issues with Ubuntu 11.04 ... i use UTF-8 and my locale is set to en_GB.UTF-8 yet when i do a directory listing i see filenames with strange characters in them that otherwise display fine in Ubuntu 10.10
[08:30] <geekMePl1ase> 11.04, updateManager's settings => http://img851.imageshack.us/i/screenshotsoftwaresourc.png/
[08:30] <geekMePl1ase> * bug?
[08:33] <picca> looks like it
[08:34] <picca> mine does the same
[08:36] <fdffdfd> hi
[08:36] <geekMePl1ase> Could s/one fill in the bug report about it? I do know how to do it.
[08:38] <bazhang> fdffdfd, hi
[08:39] <picca> geekMePl1ase, i am not your secretary
[08:39] <geekMePl1ase> ok, I will do it
[08:40] <picca> :)
[08:44] <fdffdfd> i have a question, when does 11.04 come ?
[08:45] <rww> !schedule
[08:45] <bazhang> fdffdfd, 4/28, but you know that
[08:45] <fdffdfd> ok
[08:45] <fdffdfd> now i dont
[08:45] <bazhang> ?
[08:45] <fdffdfd> now = no
[08:45] <bazhang> gurke_ sure you do fdffdfd
[08:45] <fdffdfd> no
[08:46] <fdffdfd> i am not Gurke, ?? its a german word for an vegetable
[08:47] <fdffdfd> !pm | bazhang
[08:49] <Haraken> can someone help me with enabling nvidia drivers so I can get unity to work?  I installed them using "apt-get install nvidia-current" but when I check them in "Additional Drivers" it says they are only activted and not currently in use
[08:57] <sam-_-> can someone take a look at this: http://i.imgur.com/dvgrR.jpg in the upper right corner. how do i change the color of this thing to dark grey like it is supposed to.
[09:06] <damian_-_> how do i install kde? unity and gnome 3 suck (no offence to anyone) i can find some kde packages like kdebase but is there a metapackage for everything
[09:06] <bazhang> damian_-_, kubuntu-desktop
[09:06] <damian_-_> ah awesome. thanks
[09:07] <bazhang> all the -desktop packages , in fact; lubuntu, ubuntustudio, xubuntu etc
[09:07] <bazhang> !info kubuntu-desktop
[09:08] <damian_-_> love it.
[09:09] <damian_-_> just what i need. unfortunately gnome changed what wasnt broken. unity is the same..
[09:10] <bazhang> use gnome-classic then
[09:10] <damian_-_> i am
[09:10] <bazhang> ah ok
[09:10] <damian_-_> but its going o be deprecated sooner or later
[09:10] <damian_-_> rather use a supported system
[09:11] <damian_-_> no offence to anyone, just not my thing
[09:11] <bazhang> understood
[09:11] <topaz1> hello ppl
[09:11] <bazhang> hi
[09:12] <topaz1> i have this issue of when logging in the desktop wont show up
[09:12] <damian_-_> unity?
[09:13] <damian_-_> or classic
[09:15] <damian_-_> topaz1
[09:15] <topaz1> unity
[09:15] <damian_-_> nvidia?
[09:15] <topaz1> ati HD 4250 on board
[09:17] <topaz1> so i switch to another screen and then reboot
[09:17] <sam-_-> can someone take a look at this: http://i.imgur.com/dvgrR.jpg in the upper right corner. how do i change the color of this thing to dark grey like it is supposed to.
[09:21] <topyli> sam-_-: the theme is incompatible with unity. fix one of them :)
[09:21] <sam-_-> topyli: ok. how?
[09:21] <topyli> not sure which would be easier, but neither is likely very easy
[09:24] <topaz1> does any one has this issue of a blank desktop , or desktop not loading ??? after first cold boot ???? right after logging in
[09:42] <Visitor-integer> hello, I am trying to get quake 4 to run on 64 bit 11.04. does anyone know how to make it run? it seems to load but won't start fully. or point me to a good guide? (help)
[09:45] <picca> tempted to now replace my ubuntu 10.10 installation with 11.04
[09:46] <Visitor-integer> it's fun :D
[09:48] <vivek40> Hi I am trying to upgrade from maverick to natty beta 2 but my update manager just does not show that natty is available to upgrade to. In the software sources I have set-->show new distribution releases to->normal releases..... can someone help me here..
[09:51] <nijabo> vivek40,
[09:51] <nijabo> do the upgrade-manager -d
[09:51] <vivek40> nijabo: I did that
[09:51] <vivek40> oh ok
[09:51] <picca> think i've found a bug in samba
[09:51] <nijabo> There should be a little button that says "upgrade"
[09:51] <vivek40> i did update-manager -d
[09:51] <nijabo> Did you do Alt+F2 then wrote update-manager -d?
[09:52] <nijabo> That worked for me
[09:52] <nijabo> http://www.techrecipes.net/operatingsystem/ubuntu/upgrade-10-10-to-11-04
[09:52] <nijabo> There's a bit better explanation than I can give you
[09:53] <nijabo> vivek40, is your /home backed up?
[09:54] <nijabo> And do you have 1-2 hours of time? Because it took 1.5 hours for me to upgrade
[09:54] <nijabo> You might have a faster computer though
[09:55] <vivek40> nijabo: thanks but that just opens the update manager and my uodate manager does not show the upgarde available to natty
[09:59] <daedaluz> is it possible to use gnome shell in 11.04 instead of unity?
[10:00] <vivek40> daedaluz:seems like you are using 11.04.. can you please tell me how you upgraded to natty from maverick
[10:00] <vivek40> the update manager in my system just does not show natty available for upgrade
[10:00] <andycc> vivek40, "update-manager -d" in the Alt-F2 box, I believe.
[10:00] <daedaluz> this is 10.10
[10:01] <andycc> !gnome3 | daedaluz
[10:01] <vivek40> andycc: i did that but it does not show natty being available for upgrade
[10:01] <daedaluz> 11.04 has gnome 3, right?
[10:02] <vivek40> andycc:thanks got it
[10:02] <vivek40> looks like i was doing something wrong
[10:02] <vivek40> how stable is 11.04  someone
[10:03] <picca> stable here apart from character encoding issue in samba filenames
[10:03] <andycc> vivek40, I guess it depends on your hardware and what you're using it for. I find it quite stable.
[10:04] <vivek40> ok thanks I am just going to upgrade .. I have not taken any back up...let me give it a go
[10:05] <nijabo> vivek40 try doing gksudo update-manager -d in the terminal
[10:06] <vivek40> nijabo:thanks but i got it
[10:06] <vivek40> I am just going to upgrade without taking a back up
[10:07] <vivek40> hope nothing goes wrong
[10:07] <nijabo> :/
[10:07] <nijabo> Is your /home on its own partition?
[10:07] <andycc> vivek40, just remember: we gave you no warranty. We/Canonical/other Ubuntu devs are not responsible if your system drowns in the electronic lake of doom.
[10:08] <vivek40> lol andycc: electronic lake of doom..awesome
[10:08] <vivek40> it has started god help me
[10:08] <tomekh> hi. i'd like to install 11.04 beta. how can i easily after April 28 do a update to stable 11.04?
[10:08] <nijabo> lol
[10:08] <nijabo> I wish you good luck vivek40
[10:09] <vivek40> do you know by anyway how to recover if  I lose data
[10:09] <andycc> tomekh, just start up the Update Manager, check for updates and you should see an option to upgrade to Natty.
[10:09] <vivek40> Looks like I have company in tomekh:
[10:10] <andycc> vivek40, there is a page on the Ubuntu wiki about data recovery that I found very helpful when Vista f'ed up my RAID array.
[10:10] <vivek40> I just hope I dont need it andycc:
[10:10] <andycc> Oh, here it is: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DataRecovery
[10:12] <tomekh> andycc: how does it looks? i mean in perspective of purity. will system look as clean as 11.04-release default installation?
[10:12] <vivek40> thanks andycc:by the way did any of you have any issues upgrading nijabo:
[10:14] <andycc> tomekh, you *should* get Unity installed and set as default, but you'll have your settings, wallpaper, apps etc. remain the same. I'm not 100% sure on this, though.
[10:16] <vivek40> nijabo:did you have any issues upgrading
[10:31] <gidorah> hello,  i am using gnome 3 on natty beta and i want to know that will i be able to install natty's final release and return to unity with that?
[10:57] <vincenzoml> Hi there, I just installed natty beta to a new ubuntu user since I only had that and it's out in a week or so. But the themes settings in the classic desktop are very broken, they reset to the ugly defaults of gnome and there's no way to restore them... is it today's bug or what?
[10:58] <vincenzoml> this (my fault for installing a beta) is going to decide the fate of the new user, since I don't have time to install maverick now; can someone help? It seems to me gconfd is crashing or something
[11:05] <vincenzoml> ok, in the guest session, everything is OK. In the main user's session, theme selection does not work. But I erased ALL the configuration files in the users' home. This seems like ghosts to me, anyone knows anything about this?
[11:05] <mtvoid> Have you tried creating a new user?
[11:06] <daedaluz> what the shit? 0.94 compiz beta intended for stable 11.04 release? it's not even in debian sid!
[11:07] <daedaluz> grub 1.99rc1, you're going to use a release candidate for the most important part of the system?!
[11:09] <vincenzoml> mtvoid: no, I just ran the guest session
[11:10] <vincenzoml> mtvoid: but it works
[11:10] <mortal> daedaluz: :o
[11:11] <mtvoid> vincenzoml: The guest session is handled somewhat differently... try creating a permanent new user, it is likely that you have not really cleaned up the home directory of all configuration files.
[11:14] <vincenzoml> mtvoid: thanks
[11:15] <vincenzoml> mtvoid: sudo -s; rm -rf .[^.]* ought to clean up everything :)
[11:16] <mtvoid> vincenzoml: yes... but try doing it when you are not already logged in to an X session, i.e. from a console login.
[11:16] <vincenzoml> mtvoid: did that, but I will reboot and retry before logging in
[11:16] <vincenzoml> in the GUI I mean
[11:17] <vincenzoml> I think it was an update
[11:18] <vincenzoml> mtvoid: worked. There was a global gconfd process running . I wonder how that was interfering with the user and I don't know how to reproduce the bug
[11:19] <mtvoid> vinenzoml: Well, that's good... as long as the problem's solved!
[11:19] <vincenzoml> mtvoid: I fear it's going to be on half ubuntu desktops next week :) but let's hope not
[11:48] <rwhittle> fear and intimidation was your tool yes
[11:50] <rwhittle> the druids would make offerings to their gods due to the overwhelming pressure the romans put on them
[11:50] <bazhang> !ot
[11:50] <rwhittle> wrong channel
[11:51] <rwhittle> wrong house
[11:52] <psalden> hey folks... what would you say about using the open source radeon driver on a 6970 for using gnome 3 for a while? remotely good idea or? :P
[11:53]  * psalden has been trying to get this to work for some time now but without success
[12:01] <hexa-> hey there
[12:01] <hexa-> i have an annoying issue since dist-upgrading from maverick to natty yesterday
[12:02] <hexa-> it seems like my CTRL-Key is _always_ pressed
[12:02] <hexa-> anytime i click into a window it wants to move it
[12:02] <hexa-> like when i press CTRL and Drag the window by left-clicking
[12:03] <hexa-> when i press CTRL the behaviour is like it usually should be
[12:03] <hexa-> so CTRL pressed and not pressed are somehow reversed
[12:17] <xguru> i'm running kubuntu 11.04....   can i 'sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop'
[12:17] <xguru> will that give me the new unity/gnome desktop?
[12:17] <topyli> hexa-: that's alt actually, not that it helps you much
[12:19] <andycc> xguru, yes, it should pull in Unity.
[12:19] <xguru> ok we wil find out i'll be the guinea pig
[12:20] <hexa-> oh boy
[12:20] <hexa-> topyli yeah i noticed
[12:20] <hexa-> somehow the compiz plugins hotkey was set to Button1
[12:20] <hexa-> it's working now
[12:24] <andycc> So I'm getting X freezes on suspend with Natty (everything just freezes and/or the screen turns black, but I can move the mouse cursor). Does anyone know if it's a common issue?
[12:24] <Daekdroom> Yeah. It's a common issue.
[12:25] <Daekdroom> It can be fixed by running 'killall -9 compiz && unity' in tty
[12:25] <jo-erlend_> andycc, thanks for mentioning that. I think that happened on my subnotebook yesterday.
[12:26] <andycc> Daekdroom, thanks, I was restarting the whole X server. Would you think putting a keyboard shortcut for that command would work?
[12:26] <Daekdroom> andycc, not sure. I didn't try that.
[12:27] <andycc> Okay, I assigned it to Ctrl-Alt-Del and it does restart Unity. Thanks again! Will see if it actually works after resume.
[12:35] <avis> wrong, andy
[12:39] <andycc> avis, talking to me? What's wrong?
[12:39] <avis> i didn't think that would work
[12:40] <andycc> avis, I could type my password into the lock screen with X "frozen" and unlock it, so I think it just might work.
[12:44] <mfraz74> Is anyone else experiencing bug #768876?
[12:44] <andycc> mfraz74, no, I use zsh for my autocompletion needs.
[12:46] <penguin42> hmph. X server segged
[12:51] <mfraz74> there have been some changes to /etc/bash_complete, but I'm not sure what they are
[12:51] <MichaelKohler> good day, what can I do when some keyboard shortcuts don't work anymore using ubuntu classic? (like alt+f2)
[12:56] <andycc> MichaelKohler, try looking in System -> Preferences -> Keyboard Shortcuts.
[12:57] <MichaelKohler> andycc: they're defined there
[12:58] <andycc> MichaelKohler, Alt-F2 is handled by gnome-panel, try killing & restarting it. (killall -9 gnome-panel && gnome-panel & disown) <- type in a terminal
[13:01] <MichaelKohler> andycc: disown hasn't returned yet, but the shortcuts are not yet working
[13:02] <andycc> MichaelKohler, you can hit enter and kill the terminal (ctrl-d). Tried logging out and in again? I'm out of ideas.
[13:02] <MichaelKohler> andycc: have tried it before, but I'll give it another try
[13:03] <zolw> I
[13:04]  * zolw should be more careful not to lean on keyboard...
[13:08] <MichaelKohler> andycc: didn't work. but thanks anyway
[13:09] <mongy> tried reducing drop shadow around windows with ccsm (window decoration plugin) but changing the values changes nothing.
[13:10] <coz_> mongy,  I havent tried this but  open gconf-editor  maneuver to apps/compiz/plugins/decoration/allscreens/options
[13:10] <coz_> mongy,  see if you can effect the shadows from there
[13:12] <mongy> nope
[13:14] <mongy> has the same options to change, but do nothing
[13:17] <phibxr> how can I access xchat after minimizing it to the system tray instead of closing it in unity? it disappeared, and I had to kill it since starting it again only started a new process.
[13:18] <zniavre> install xchat-indicator and then yuo get icon in indicator things
[13:18] <zniavre> you*
[13:18] <zniavre> (the envelop)
[13:20] <phibxr> ah, thanks. shouldn't it be a dependency for xchat under natty really? :P
[13:21] <coz_> or he could have just make the xcaht icon part of the launcher
[13:22] <zniavre> that s true also (i do not like 2 or 3 icons for same action)
[13:25] <coz_> as I mentioned yesterday,, the biggest issue for me with ubuntu natty and ubuntu in general recently is that the developers are developing on laptops... and as a result have remove  the ability to automatically boot from scsi drives ,, which will always drop to busybox initramfs  ,, then rootdelay=40 always has to be put into default/grub,, it was not always like this
[13:42] <diegoviola> hi
[13:42] <diegoviola> will ubuntu use wayland in the future?
[13:44] <Ian_Corne> yes
[13:45] <diegoviola> wow, nice
[13:46] <diegoviola> I wish most distributions would contribute to the future of Linux on the desktop by developing the software also, other than just packaging.
[13:46] <diegoviola> like supporting innovative projects like Wayland, etc
[13:46] <diegoviola> when Shuttleworth announced Wayland support I was really happy
[13:47] <MichaelKohler> the skype icon doesn't show up in the notification area, how can I fix this?
[13:48] <MichaelKohler> (ubuntu classic)
[13:55] <MichaelKohler> the skype icon doesn't show up in the notification area, how can I fix this? (ubuntu classic)
[14:33] <vincenzoml> hi there anyone. I have wasted a whole day trying to install either natty or maverick in wubi. The pc is not mine and I can't repartition it. So this morning wubi worked for natty. Then it didn't for maverick, then I decided to give natty's bugs a second try, but now my wubi install (I re-did it twice) hangs on try (hd0,0): NTFS5  and I don't know what to do.
[14:33] <vincenzoml> I can't even join the regular #ubuntu because floodbot doesn't want private messages and empathy gives an unknown error when trying to write in the channel. I am about to throw my netbook and the laptop out the window :)
[14:34] <KM0201> vincenzoml: wubi is a trainwreck waiting to happen.. DO NOT USE IT.
[14:35] <vincenzoml> KM0201: I agree, but my logical side can't accept that this morning it was working... and there are no wubildr or things in the C: of the machine
[14:35] <KM0201> vincenzoml: well, yoru logical side is right, and you need to listen to it.... sorry.. thats just how it is.
[14:35] <vincenzoml> KM0201: are you a bot programmed on a philosophy book :)
[14:36] <KM0201> vincenzoml: no
[14:37] <KM0201> vincenzoml: biggest issue is.. when wubi bricks.. it usualy messes up both OS's.. if you properly partition and install Ubuntu... it takes something pretty serious to not be able to at least boot one of the drives
[14:37] <vincenzoml> KM0201: yes, I'm just scared that it might actually happen. I guess I'll go with a regular maverick install, sorry I can't still join #ubuntu so... any caveats for maverick resize NTFS?
[14:38] <vincenzoml> Hi BUGabundo how long...
[14:38] <KM0201> vincenzoml: it's actually pretty easy to install...
[14:38] <KM0201> if you need some help, i can talk yoyu through resizing your partitions and installing
[14:39] <vincenzoml> KM0201: thanks a lot. I'm supposed to know. I mean are there any caveats about possible bugs in resize ntfs; it's easter and if I screw up that windows install I'm *****d
[14:40] <KM0201> there shouldn't be.. as long as you pay attention, its easy to partition and install.. like i said, if you want some help, just PM me, i'll talk you through it.. i've installed ubuntu more times than i care to think
[14:40] <vincenzoml> thanks
[14:45] <blit> hi, i've installed 11.04 beta 2 on a fujitsu laptop and I'm havin problems with bluetooth not working; it looks there's an Atheros AR9285 chip in between; even if the param btcoex_enable should default on in the driver source, manaually enablin it does't change the result. To be honest 2 days ago after an apt-get update/upgrade and reboot it worked for an afternoon; the next upgrade/reboot reverted to the non functional sta
[14:45] <blit> te. any suggestion? thx
[14:49] <SeRVeR01> hey there is there any way to install emesene 1.6 on natty cause i don't like emesene 2  ?
[14:51] <KM0201> SeRVeR01: you'l probably have to download the source code and compile it.
[14:51] <KM0201> if its still available
[14:51] <SeRVeR01> KM0201, ok i'll try thanks
[14:51] <penguin42> SeRVeR01: If you can get the .deb from the repositories from Maverick or older there is a cahnce it will install
[14:51] <KM0201> yeah, that would work to.
[14:52] <KM0201> *could* i should've said
[14:53] <SeRVeR01> done , installed from the old deb file
[14:53] <SeRVeR01> thanks guys :)
[14:54] <KM0201> amazing, the powers of ubuntu.. now make suer it doesn't update during system update (it shouldn't)
[14:54] <Superstar> Is it worth installing Ubuntu 11.04? If so why?
[14:55] <BUGabundo> guud Easter afternoon. take care with all the eggs
[14:56] <KM0201> go find the little hoppity hop
[14:56] <KM0201> Superstar: i'm having very good experiences w/ 11.04.. YMMV.. it is still beta though, so if you want to wait till the 28th when its stable.. then i don't see that as a big deal either
[14:58] <Superstar> km0201 what specs do you run it on if you don't mind me asking?
[14:58] <KM0201> several different
[14:58] <KM0201> my main pc.
[14:58] <Superstar> km0201 what's the lowest spec machine?
[14:59] <blit> hi, i've installed 11.04 beta 2 on a laptopwith an Atheros AR9285 wifi chip  that doesn't play nice with bluetooth; the param btcoex_enable should already be on in the driver source, manually forcing it does't change result. To be honest 2 days ago after an update/upgrade/reboot it worked for an afternoon; next  uppgrade it reverted to non functional state. any suggestion? thx
[14:59] <KM0201> 2.4ghz AMD, 3gigs of ram, 500gig hard drive, 512mb Nvidia video card,
[14:59] <Superstar> is that pci express or agp?
[14:59] <KM0201> Superstar: my laptop, is a 1.8ghz Acer, 160gig hard drive, some intel graphics chip, 1.5gigs fo ram...
[14:59] <KM0201> Superstar: AGP... i built it right when PCI-e was still way to expensive
[15:00] <bjsnider> blit, you won't get any help for such a specific issue in here
[15:00] <Superstar> km0201 does your laptop run it well? or is it a bit sluggish
[15:00] <KM0201> Superstar: runs it very well.
[15:00] <bjsnider> blit, you might possibly get help from the kernel team, but i doubt it
[15:00] <Superstar> km0201 ok thanks. I've gone back and fourth between 10.10 and 11.04 2/3 times a day it's doing my head in
[15:01] <KM0201> Superstar: i'm happy w/ 11.04, but like i said, it is still beta
[15:01] <SeRVeR01> it's so good :) btw Superuser and i don't have any probs with it :)
[15:02] <carlossalazar> help in spanish in the channel
[15:02] <thiebaude> !es
[15:03] <Superstar> http://translate.google.com is your lover
[15:07] <carlossalazar> greetings sent me over here the question is that icing me both ubuntu is 11.04 which is a beta but would like to know the bug or error that thanks
[15:08]  * ceed^ thinks Google Translate sometimes messes up a little... :)
[15:21] <donri> gtk seems broken for me with gnome3 in virtualbox oracle; the clutter stuff works fine and unity worked fine
[15:22] <donri> it renders "unthemed" and lots of rendering bugs / flicker, mostly completely unrecognizable
[15:22] <donri> is it an issue with virtualbox or the gnome3 ppa?
[15:25] <BluesKaj> Hiyas
[15:27] <phibxr> "greetings sent me over here the question is that icing me both" could easily become a new meme. <3
[15:31] <KM0201> phibxr: just ask your questino, if we can help, we will
[15:31] <mahfrk> how to use 'tesdtrive' feature in s/w center in natty beta 2?
[15:31] <BluesKaj> phibxr, pls translate...difficult to understand that statement
[15:32] <phibxr> that was a quote from six messages before in this channel. someone using google translate. :P
[15:33] <BluesKaj> that was obvious, but was it swedish=svensk ?
[15:35] <BluesKaj> google translate can be helpful but parsing isn't it's strong suit
[15:38] <BluesKaj> KM0201,have you heardanything from or about scoundrel  and partitioning/installs
[15:38] <KM0201> BluesKaj: nope.. was he having a problem?
[15:39] <BluesKaj> KM0201, I had to leave to some errands so I never did find out if he succeeded
[15:39] <KM0201> oh ok.
[15:39] <BluesKaj> to do
[15:43] <patx> yea so i just upgraded and i am restarting however it seems that it is stuck on the splash screen what should i do?
[15:45] <penguin42> patx: Select the recovery option from the grub menu and see if you get any further or any good error messages
[15:49] <BluesKaj> stalling at te splashscrn is unusual , it's usually at the plymouth dots
[15:50]  * KM0201 has read bad stories about "upgrading"... thts why i never do it.. :)
[15:51]  * BluesKaj updates/uprades 'ti everything works :)
[15:52] <Superstar> Upgrading = bloating
[15:55] <BluesKaj> bloatingused to be a concern on older pcs , now I hardy notice  , and just run autoclean and the leftovers are taken care of
[16:02] <penguin42> this <--- machine has been upgraded since about hardy (sometime in 2006) - it's a bit messy though
[16:03] <Superstar> It's probably because you have a machine capable of controlling the world
[16:03]  * BUGabundo is almost tempted to try another distro... a bit tired of *buntu community discussions 
[16:03] <penguin42> Superstar: It *does* control the world
[16:04] <Superstar> penguin24, have you considered a fresh install?
[16:05] <penguin42> Superstar: I can't be bothered - it is working; I'll only do it if it's broken beyond me being able to kick it back into life
[16:05] <KM0201> BUGabundo: what do you mean?
[16:05] <Superstar> blueskaj: auto cleaning doesn't clean everything, it always leaves modified files. you can test this by installing ubuntu 10.10 and upgrading it to 11.04 beta, calculate the size, then do a fresh install of the same 11.04 beta and you will see a considerable difference in size. I've gone back and fourth so many times it's the only thing I learned
[16:06] <KM0201> i never upgraded an MS OS either.. always clean installed.. so maybe my habits just carried on from that
[16:08] <Superstar> Is it possible to flash bios from Ubuntu?
[16:08] <penguin42> Superstar: Depends on the board vendor
[16:08] <KM0201> Superstar: it orobably depends on the board vendor
[16:08]  * KM0201 glares..
[16:08]  * penguin42 giggles
[16:08] <Superstar> ^^
[16:08] <KM0201> Superstar: i'd say, most likely, a vast majority of them, the answer is no.. it would require windows
[16:09] <Superstar> I have a MSI 865gm I screwed up, I'm waiting on a floppy drive (lol) to fix the BIOS ROM checksum error, just wondering never would do it though
[16:09] <KM0201> Superstar: i can almost guarantee you, MSI wwill not flash through liniux.
[16:09] <penguin42> Superstar: You might be able to do that off a thumb drive image or boot the floppy image via grub
[16:10] <KM0201> (at least w/ their auto tool)... if youc an download the image to a floppy, it should work.
[16:10] <Superstar> After my last attempt I don't think I'll ever update the bios. It's very old board, p4 :)
[16:10] <KM0201> so many board manufacturers are making their bios upgrades in .exe's, etc.. rather than the old days where yo put the image on a floppy, and rebooted..
[16:10] <Superstar> Can Ubuntu control fans?
[16:10] <KM0201> Superstar: sometimes...
[16:11] <Superstar> ah yes it uses lmsensors
[16:11] <KM0201> yeah.
[16:11] <KM0201> but.. sometimes some motherboards/fan controls, do not work w/ lmsensors
[16:11] <KM0201> its a crapshoot..
[16:13] <Superstar> I found this article, will give it a shot once I get my BIOS done:https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SensorInstallHowto
[16:13] <Superstar> Thanks for the help km0201, take care
[16:13] <KM0201> Superstar: best of luck
[16:15] <BluesKaj> Superstar, well whatever the diff in size really doesn't concern me much , not really all that strict about what's there as long as it works ..to me a little what is referred to as bloat shouldn't be a concern for most users.
[16:18] <BluesKaj> oops , too late ..o well let him worry about bloat , I know I won't :)
[16:27] <Ubuntufreak> Hi guys i updated my Kubuntu 11.04 from 10.10 and everything worked fine. Today when i try to run apt-get upgrade && update im facing error  http://paste.kde.org/20311/
[16:29] <penguin42> Ubuntufreak: Are you running the apt-get update first or 2nd ?
[16:31] <Ubuntufreak> penguin42: After running update when i try to upgrade i get the error
[16:31] <penguin42> Ubuntufreak: That says that the index doewnloaded by update doesn't quite match what is in the mirror; probably the mirror was in the middle of updating; just do the update and then upgrade again
[16:32] <Ubuntufreak> penguin42: will try that now
[16:32] <crazedpsyc> Ubuntufreak, those packages (at least the phonon one) dont  exist
[16:33] <Ubuntufreak> crazedpsyc: so should i deselect those packages are try updating
[16:33] <BluesKaj> Ubuntufreak, as well you could always change mirrors
[16:33] <crazedpsyc> Ubuntufreak, or try switching temporarily to a different mirror like BlueKaj just said as I was typing this ;)
[16:34] <BluesKaj> crazedpsyc, my phonon just updated this morning
[16:34] <Ubuntufreak> BluesKaj: It seems the mirrors have been automatically choosen while installing since most of them points to indian mirrors
[16:34] <crazedpsyc> BluesKaj, what is it anyway?
[16:35] <Ubuntufreak> BluesKaj: How can i change to another mirror from the current ?
[16:35] <crazedpsyc> Ubuntufreak, SHould be able to switch it in Software Sources
[16:35] <BluesKaj> yeah, just like mine do to Canadian ones, but sometimes it's good to witch in case of lags faster updates at diff mirrrs
[16:35] <crazedpsyc> Not sure how to get to it in KDE, but I know its there
[16:36] <BluesKaj> crazedpsyc, phonon is a kde audio configuration app
[16:36] <Ubuntufreak> crazedpsyc: should i edit those entries manually to point other repo's ?
[16:36] <crazedpsyc> BluesKaj, ok
[16:37] <crazedpsyc> Ubuntufreak, no...
[16:37] <crazedpsyc> Ubuntufreak, you have a menu with search right?
[16:37] <Ubuntufreak> crazedpsyc: yes
[16:37] <crazedpsyc> Ubuntufreak, open it up and find "Software Sources"
[16:38] <BluesKaj> Ubuntufreak, no , you do in the kpackagekit
[16:38] <BluesKaj> Ubuntufreak, you're on kde rigt ?
[16:39] <Ubuntufreak> BluesKaj: Yes im using KDE and in the KpackageKit there are many entries
[16:40] <penguin42> Ubuntufreak: I always find kpackagekit a bit touchy
[16:40] <crazedpsyc> BluesKaj, I installed KDE a while back and I have a 'software-properties-kde' which is just like 'software-properties-gtk' but written in QT. In it there is a "Download From:" drop-down for choosing the mirror. Isn't that right?
[16:41] <DasEi> will there be a second support channel gnome/unity ?
[16:42] <Ubuntufreak> crazedpsyc: Did you install that app separately or is it available by default ?
[16:42] <crazedpsyc> Ubuntufreak, it came with kubuntu-desktop, which is exactly what kubuntu has.
[16:43] <crazedpsyc> try running it in a konsole
[16:43] <Ubuntufreak> crazedpsyc: can you tell me the exact command
[16:43] <crazedpsyc> 'software-properties-kde'
[16:43] <crazedpsyc> :)
[16:44] <nononickno> is there no libdvdcss on 11.04?
[16:45] <Ubuntufreak> crazedpsyc: tried it and i get this error http://paste.kde.org/20413/
[16:48] <BluesKaj> crazedpsyc, I'm not familiar with software-properties-kde , since I'm prertty exclusive to the cli/apt for installs and updates , and I use muon mostly as a reference
[16:49] <crazedpsyc> Ubuntufreak, 'Fix application.' what a lovely thing for it to say! Lets see what BluesKaj has to say
[16:49] <crazedpsyc> BluesKaj, me too ;)
[16:50] <crazedpsyc> BluesKaj, so do you know how to do this from the command line?
[16:50] <Ubuntufreak> crazedpsyc: i guess changing the repos would allow me to update the softwares
[16:51] <BluesKaj> whoa Ubuntufreak , try changing the mirror
[16:51] <semitones> why is XOrg using 50% of my cpu...
[16:52] <DasEi> nononickno: medibuntu activated ?
[16:52] <nononickno> no
[16:52] <Ubuntufreak>  BluesKaj: how do i change that uisng the kPackagekit ?
[16:52] <DasEi> !medibuntu
[16:52] <nononickno> i just installed the deb file from the medibuntu site
[16:52] <BluesKaj> nononickno, instll ubuntu-restricted-exrtas , then libdvdcss2
[16:53] <BluesKaj> Ubuntufreak, give me a minte pls
[16:53] <Ubuntufreak> BluesKaj: sure take your time :)
[16:56] <lubun2> nononickno, are you trying to play encrypetd dvd?
[17:00] <crazedpsyc> What does IRC deaf mode block?
[17:03] <BluesKaj> Ubuntufreak, there don't seem to be any options to change mirrors in kpkit...seems they've taken them out of synaptic as well
[17:03] <BluesKaj> !mirrors
[17:04] <ArGGu^^> which compression mksquashfs uses in natty? gzip or lzma?
[17:05] <abhinav-> I am upgrading from 10.10 to 11.04 using the daily live ISO, currently the installer is saying "restoring previously installed packages" and it seems to be some stuff over the network. Is it trying to update all of my installed packages ?
[17:05] <abhinav-> *it seems to be downloading some stuff
[17:05] <Ubuntufreak> BluesKaj: Oh that seems bad, so i have to edit the mirrors list file manually i guess
[17:08] <BluesKaj> there used to ba an option to change the mirrors to USA and Canonical(UK) , but since mine have ben working so well over the last few yrs I haven't even bothered to check for any
[17:09] <zniavre> unity can't run due to hardware in my pc but i can run unity in new vbox in full screen ...
[17:10] <zniavre> that s unbelivable
[17:10] <zniavre> without the 'no-icon-in-launcher' bug
[17:11] <BluesKaj> Ubuntufreak,you can always find a new mirror repos list and copy it to your /etc/apt/sources.list , that will also edit any package manager sources afaik
[17:12] <Ubuntufreak> BluesKaj: Yeah even i was thinking about editing the sources.list file manually, thanks for the info :)
[17:17] <DasEi> zniavre: you can run default 3 d in vbox ?
[17:17] <BluesKaj> Ubuntufreak, yup, back to basics is always best when the gui stuff does't give any options
[17:18] <BluesKaj> abhinav-, yes that's a normal message whern updating
[17:18] <DasEi> Ubuntufreak: you can always use synaptic to find the mirror fastest to you
[17:19] <mongy> still getting the files/apps dash icons vanishing whenever I enable/disable a compiz plugin (compiz restarts)
[17:19] <BluesKaj> DasEi, where in synaptic?...maybe I missed something
[17:19] <Ubuntufreak> DasEi: Could you please explain it a bit ?
[17:20] <DasEi> Ubuntufreak: gksudo synaptic
[17:20] <DasEi> Ubuntufreak: settings > sources
[17:20] <Ubuntufreak> DasEi: I am using Kubuntu with KDE
[17:21] <DasEi> Ubuntufreak: synaptic should be there, too
[17:21] <DasEi> Ubuntufreak: say when there
[17:22] <abhinav-> BluesKaj: hm too bad, I think I will have more than 1 GB of download then, and I can't even skip this. With my slow internet connection it will take the whole night :-/
[17:22] <fictive> anyone have any experience in getting 3d-acceleration to work in vmware with w7 as host system and natty as guest?
[17:22] <Ubuntufreak> DasEi: seems it has to be installed in Kubuntu not present by default
[17:22] <DasEi> abhinav-: too late now, you could have benn d-upgrading by putting the d/l cd in sources.list
[17:23] <DasEi> been*
[17:23] <Ubuntufreak> abhinav-: Yep even for me the update from 10.10 to 11.04 took around 2hrs with close to 600MB download
[17:23] <BluesKaj> DasEi, where can one change mirrors in synaptic , i don't see the option in synaptic?
[17:23] <DasEi> fictive: i managed to get unity running in vbox by using it's 2d repo
[17:23] <DasEi> Ubuntufreak: settings > sources
[17:23] <fictive> hmm
[17:24] <DasEi> Ubuntufreak: download from > other
[17:24] <fictive> vbox won't let me have any higher resolution than 1024
[17:24] <DasEi> Ubuntufreak: download from > other > choose best mirror
[17:24] <DasEi> fictive: can't help then, not using vmware
[17:25] <fictive> thanks anyway, I will give it another shot with vbox
[17:25] <Ubuntufreak> DasEi: Still installing Synaptic in Kubuntu
[17:25] <fictive> btw, what are the crusial differences between vbox and vmware?
[17:26] <DasEi> fictive: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/install-ubuntu-unity-2d-using-ppa-in-ubuntu-11-0410-10.html
[17:26] <DasEi> fictive: look at their homepages
[17:26] <BluesKaj> Ubuntufreak, don't think you'll see any mirror options in synaptic ...I can't find any
[17:27] <DasEi> BluesKaj: i just have it open in natty
[17:27] <BluesKaj> DasEi, ok where is the mirror option ?
[17:28] <DasEi> Ubuntufreak: settings > sources
[17:28] <DasEi> Ubuntufreak: download from > other > choose best mirror
[17:28] <Ubuntufreak> DasEi: In Setting-->Repositories-->Software Sources
[17:28] <DasEi> will take some time, pings all server and reports fastest , yes, there, Ubuntufreak
[17:28] <Ubuntufreak> i chose Main Server instead of India
[17:29] <Ubuntufreak> DasEi: Oh ok you want me to scan and then choose the best mirror ?
[17:30] <DasEi> for fastest results, yes , Ubuntufreak
[17:30] <DasEi> depends on network more then on location, I experienced
[17:31] <BluesKaj> very strange , i just get a gui with the a list of repositories , no mirrors are listed anywhere
[17:31] <Ubuntufreak> DasEi: But will the mirrors all over the world be in sync with the latest updates ?
[17:31] <DasEi> make sure no firewall is blocking ping
[17:31] <DasEi> supposed to, hours lag maybe, they are mirrors , Ubuntufreak
[17:31] <Ubuntufreak> BluesKaj: Just choose the drop-down in Download From and choose other, you will presented with a new window to test
[17:32] <DasEi> BluesKaj: click on the download from icon
[17:32] <Ubuntufreak> DasEi: But is it good to choose the local mirror or the main server, since the main server is more reliable than the others imo
[17:32] <BluesKaj> DasEi, there is no "download from"
[17:33] <DasEi> there also is a commandline-way, but I don't have it handy now
[17:34]  * BluesKaj purges synaptic, hopefully I'll get a fully loaded synaptic this time
[17:34] <fritsch> Is there a current problem in natty concerning mouse and keyboard stop working?
[17:34] <fritsch> This is a funny incident, because, the screen gets further updated. Cursor freeze and keyboard not reacting :-)
[17:34] <DasEi> Ubuntufreak: do as you wish, I experienced it just one time since using ubuntu a mirror was down
[17:34] <fritsch> something todo with evdev changes?
[17:35] <Ubuntufreak> DasEi: Ok i would go with the main server and try the updates, thanks guys for your help :)
[17:35] <DasEi> np
[17:36] <dude456> Is there a way to set Gnome Desktop as default when performing a new install of Natty? I dont't want Unity ...
[17:36] <BluesKaj> DasEi, strange that I have no download from option
[17:36] <Ubuntufreak> BluesKaj: Download From is not an option its just a text in the window and corresponding to that you would have the drop-down
[17:37] <DasEi> dude456: hey firend , sure, powerbutton>settings>loginscreen>LogIn>default session>gnome classic
[17:37] <fictive> DasEi: this works, thanks : )
[17:37] <DasEi> fictive: dualboot is next, gg
[17:38] <fictive> nono, I installed vmware so I don't have to reboot ;)
[17:38] <DasEi> fictive: for work vm is lil' slow, unless you use a lorry as cpu
[17:39] <fictive> I have an i5 540M
[17:39] <DasEi> ic
[17:39] <xTheGoat121x> My laptop is doing something incredibly weird. There's a whole section of my screen that will not recognize mouse clicks.
[17:39] <fictive> and another 4gig of ram incoming =) so it's good
[17:39] <BluesKaj> Ubuntufreak, I have it now . it was going directly to the sources list and bypassing the software sources window , now that I purged synaptic  and reinstalled , the software sources window appears .
[17:40] <DasEi> fictive: another.. he
[17:40] <fictive> ram is cheap ^
[17:41] <DasEi> dude456: found the setting (friend of gnome, not firend)
[17:41] <DasEi> ?
[17:42] <Ubuntufreak> DasEi, BluesKaj: After switching the mirror to 'Main Server' the updates are installed correctly :)
[17:42] <DasEi> !yay
[17:42] <Saamm> help i installed kubuntu-desktop through synaptic from unity....how do I remove it my system is a mess
[17:42] <BluesKaj> Ubuntufreak, cool :)
[17:42] <dude456> DasEi: can it be done while installing? or do I have to perform a standard install and later modify it to have Gnome as default?
[17:43] <dude456> DasEi : It works thanks
[17:43] <DasEi> dude456: the latter, it defaults to unity, but gnome is also installed and can be choosen as default later
[17:43] <BluesKaj> Saamm, do you like Unity , if so remove sudo apt-get remove kubuntu desktop, if not remove Unity :)
[17:44] <Saamm> BluesKaj, nothing happens when i remove kubuntu-desktop...all packages of 300mb still installed....i can still open kubuntu settings from unity
[17:44] <BluesKaj> Saamm, err, sudo apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop or you can always purge it with synaptic
[17:45] <DasEi> BluesKaj: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-select-fastest-mirror-in-ubuntu.html
[17:45] <Saamm> BluesKaj, how to purge?
[17:45] <Ubuntufreak> I guess the KPackageKit should offer something of this sort present in Synaptic GUI, may be it could be my first contribution if its not already present :)
[17:45] <datenshi> Saamm, sudo apt-get remove --purge
[17:45] <BluesKaj> Saamm, click on remove then, you'll see the purge option in synaptic
[17:45] <DasEi> Saamm: sudo apt-get remove --purge PackageName( s)
[17:46] <Saamm> ok wait i try purge option
[17:46] <DasEi> Saamm: or as said, synaptic > complete removal, does same
[17:46] <Saamm> DasEi, nothing happens when i do complete removal :(
[17:47] <DasEi> Saamm: I haven't followed you from beginning, what do you want to get rid of ?
[17:47] <datenshi> Saamm, if you want to remove kubuntu, then best way is to remove something like kdelibs ^)
[17:47] <BluesKaj> !pure gnome
[17:47] <DasEi> y
[17:48] <BluesKaj> !info pure gnome
[17:48] <Saamm> DasEi, I installed kubunt-desktop and it download 300mb stuff now i wanna remove it
[17:48] <BluesKaj> !pure ubuntu
[17:48] <trism> BluesKaj: puregnome was correct, just no space
[17:49] <BluesKaj> !info pure ubuntu
[17:49] <BluesKaj> haha
[17:49] <DasEi> BluesKaj: yes, there was this factoid
[17:49] <BluesKaj> the bot is defintely off kilter
[17:49] <Saamm> PURGE option NOT working  :(((
[17:49] <DasEi> Saamm: so you removed kubuntu-desktop ?
[17:50] <Saamm> yep it removed only 50kb i can still launch amarok
[17:50] <Saamm> i used sudo apt-get remove --purge
[17:50] <datenshi> Saamm, try sudo apt-get autoremove, but I don't think it will help
[17:51] <DasEi> Saamm: try : sudo apt-get remove kdelibs* --dry-run   , that..
[17:51] <Saamm> datenshi, nothing happens with the command...no packages
[17:51] <DasEi> Saamm: try : will show what would be removed, look at it carefully
[17:52] <DasEi> Saamm: if that's fine,  cut the --dry-run of the above command
[17:53] <BluesKaj> Saamm, Search for "KDE Desktop" When the search completes, scroll down and find "kde" Description will be "the K Desktop Environment Official modules"
[17:53] <BluesKaj> Saamm, that's i synaptic
[17:54] <BluesKaj> Saamm, Right Click/Mark for Complete Removal, Hit apply at the top and let it uninstall
[17:56] <Saamm> BluesKaj, uhm no package name kde...i searched for kde desktop
[17:57] <Saamm> when i installed kubuntu-desktop it installed hundreds of files...why cant it remove it baqck?
[17:58] <DasEi> Saamm: tried the mentioned autoremove or the ""would" command ?
[17:58] <BluesKaj> Saamm, kde-plasma-desktop
[17:59] <lubun2> Saamm, kubuntu-desktop is the meta package. you can un-install the things you don't want
[18:00] <Saamm> BluesKaj, no package name  kde-plasma-desktop
[18:03] <Saamm> apt-get auto remove lists 0 packages
[18:03] <BluesKaj> Saamm, I'm taslking about using synaptic
[18:04] <Saamm> BluesKaj, ok i tried it only removed 2 mb i can still launch amarok
[18:05] <Saamm> DasEi, sudo apt-get remove kdelibs* --dry-run looks good but i am scared will it reove something from my uniry install?
[18:06] <DasEi> look at the output, it tells you what would/will be removed
[18:06] <DasEi> Saamm: ^
[18:06] <Saamm> DasEi, it huge xD
[18:08] <BluesKaj> Saamm, this might work altho it's meant for maverick
[18:08] <BluesKaj> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/puregnome
[18:08] <DasEi> any unity-packages amongst them, Saamm ?
[18:08] <arand> !puregnome | BluesKaj :þ
[18:10] <BluesKaj> arand, thanks , altho it's meant for Saamm
[18:10] <BluesKaj> Saamm, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureGnome
[18:11] <arand> BluesKaj: I know, just wanted to tease a bit.
[18:11] <Saamm> ok guys i am going to try aptitude gimme a minute
[18:12] <BluesKaj> arand, yeah i tried the factoid a while back , but I used a space between pure and gnome , just some gobbldy gook output :)
[18:12] <BluesKaj> !purekde
[18:12] <BluesKaj> :)
[18:13] <Ubuntufreak> Alright guys its time for me to leave, thanks for all your help :)
[18:13] <Saamm> what is strange that when i go for a dry run....100s of packages are listed and I am asked to use apt-get autoremove...but when i use this command it syas that 0 packages will be removed
[18:14] <BluesKaj> altho synaptic still the best package manager IMO , kde needs to work on theirs ... alot
[18:14] <BluesKaj> Saamm, just do yjre puregnome route
[18:14] <BluesKaj> the
[18:15] <Saamm> whoa the link is for ubuntu 10.04 command does not work :(
[18:17] <DasEi> Saamm: use the factoid, for my -scary- suggestion you need to cut the --dry-run to execute, do that on your own risk
[18:17] <Saamm> DasEi, why the heck i installed kubuntu
[18:18] <samiran> i need help using ubuntu 11.04 beta
[18:18] <samiran> wifi is always disabled
[18:18] <DasEi> Saamm: why not, why not just changing default session back ? so aware of this 300MB space ?
[18:18] <samiran> i am using acer timelineX 4820t
[18:19] <Saamm> DasEi, the problem is that it have changed many default apps, there are two system monitors, two sytem settings and so on
[18:19] <DasEi> I see
[18:20] <DasEi> reinstall is another option
[18:21] <DasEi> Saamm: for playing around, vm's are fine. easy to backup, so no hassle when one borked the system
[18:21] <Saamm> DasEi, it happened i didnt used protection lol
[18:22] <kujules> http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/400113/ <- can anybody give me some hints how i can resolve that problem? thank you
[18:24] <Saamm> DasEi, check out my dry run output http://pastebin.com/2KGzAvRK
[18:25] <DasEi> Saamm: err, kubuntu-desktop is still installed, so why didn't you simply purge that ?
[18:26] <Saamm> i installed it back
[18:26] <Saamm> i tried purging nothing happens
[18:27] <DasEi> Saamm: looks fine to me, and if something is missing, you can re-install, looks like is what you wanted;; the factoid also didn't help ?
[18:27] <Saamm> nope
[18:27] <DasEi> !puregnome
[18:28] <DasEi> Saamm: so proceed then
[18:28] <Saamm> okey dokey
[18:29] <DasEi> Saamm: you'll need sudo apt-get autoremove afterwards
[18:30] <Saamm> ok i hit enter hope everything works i have lots of movies and music in my hard disk hope i dont have to reinstall ubuntu
[18:30] <samiran> can someone please help me with my wifi issue
[18:30] <MichaelKohler> Since I updated to natty Alt+F2 and other shortcuts don't work anymore. But there are a few defined in Preferences->Keyboard Shortcuts that work.. and Alt+F2 is still defined there. any idea? (I'm using "Ubuntu classic")
[18:32] <Saamm> MichaelKohler, go to compiz config settings manager manager and in prefrences reset your profile to defualt settings
[18:32] <DasEi> Saamm: I don't think so, sources should be set to natty and else can install ubuntu-desktop again
[18:32] <Saamm> ok a reboot is required hope i see my desktop again....coming back again in a minute
[18:33] <DasEi> good luck
[18:33] <MichaelKohler> thanks Saamm
[18:36] <Saamm_> DasEi, all right i see my desktop again..now doing autoremove....many thanks to you Xd
[18:36] <DasEi> Saamm_: have fun. I'll leave soon
[18:36] <Saamm_> MichaelKohler, you got ur shortcuts back?
[18:36] <MichaelKohler> Saamm_: yes, resetting helped, thanks
[18:37] <DasEi> good hint. compiz, haven't rebooted since switching
[18:38] <Saamm_> MichaelKohler, :)
[18:39] <Saamm_> ok auto removed now another restart required wil be back
[18:41] <DasEi> Saamm: shot, but not killed, fine then
[18:42] <Saamm> DasEi, ok your trick worked but i still get kubuntu plymouth theme hahaha and inside it there is ubuntu uni9ty
[18:42] <DasEi> Saamm: but the duplicate apps are off now
[18:42] <Saamm> DasEi, yep
[18:43] <MichaelKohler> how can I rearrange windows in the window list in the panel? in 10.10 it worked with just moving, but it doesn't in 11.04
[18:43] <Saamm> DasEi, so todays lesson for me...install only one DE at a time
[18:44] <arand> MichaelKohler: Pull out to the right and then move them.
[18:44] <DasEi> Saamm: I'm not familiar enough with the changes in unity/x yet, until now you could, maybe I'll crash my vm later
[18:45] <DasEi> I just changed back to classic as unity really hinders my workflow
[18:45] <MichaelKohler> arand: I don't quite understand. what exactly do you mean by "pull out to the right"?
[18:46] <arand> MichaelKohler: Grab the icon, drag it off the panel straightto the right, then when it is outside of the panel, move it up our down and then place it again where you want it.
[18:46] <Saamm> DasEi, unity sucks i hate when icons fold i in netbook
[18:47] <KM0201> Saamm: it takes some getting used to.. i didn't like it at first either, but after a couple weeks, its really growing on e
[18:47] <KM0201> *me
[18:48] <Saamm> KM0201, yep it nice but the things i hate are folded icons, no multiple instances of same apps, no wine apps support no custom launcher support
[18:48] <KM0201> Saamm: not sure what yo mean by no wine support, (i don't use wine).. but the custom launcher support has annoyed me
[18:49] <trism> Saamm: which apps don't support multiple instances? and you can have custom launchers
[18:49] <Saamm> trism, you can launch multiple instances by middle mouse click but it not good on a touchpad
[18:50] <trism> Saamm: so more like awkward multiple instance support, I will agree there
[18:50] <Saamm> trism, there should be a quicklist item 'open new window' in evey app
[18:50] <trism> Saamm: I agree with that too, although you can easily add one
[18:51] <Saamm> trism, i cant' do it for each and every .desktop file
[18:52] <Saamm> trism, shell scripts does not work when i launch them from unity launcher
[18:53] <trism> Saamm: I'm not disagreeing with the issues, it still needs work
[18:53] <MichaelKohler> arand: doesn't work. I think you misunderstood me. here's what I want to do: http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/4994/unledpe.jpg
[18:55] <arand> MichaelKohler: Oh, right I though you meant for Unity, not classic... Hmm if that isn't working, I don't know how to solve it, I would report a bug..
[18:55] <Saamm> trism, yeh
[18:55] <MichaelKohler> arand: ah sorry, didn't write I'm using classic. thanks anyway :)
[18:55] <Saamm> all right thanks alot to all those who helped me time for some football
[18:57] <MichaelKohler> arand: report to ubuntu or gnome?
[18:57] <arand> MichaelKohler: run "ubuntu gnome-panel" I think
[18:58] <arand> * "ubuntu-bug gnome-panel"
[18:59] <MichaelKohler> wow, that's a nice feature
[18:59] <arand> MichaelKohler: It works for me in my unupdated version, 'll test updating and see if I get the same issue as you.
[18:59] <MichaelKohler> "unupdated" version?
[19:00] <arand> MichaelKohler: I need to update 192 packages some upgrades might affect this behaviour ;)
[19:00] <MichaelKohler> ah okay
[19:01] <arand> if, so, it's a simple regression, presumably.
[19:01] <MichaelKohler> I hope it is easy to track down. That's really annoying (and for what it's worth one reason I don't use Windows)
[19:05] <semitones> so are bugfixes still ongoing?
[19:05] <semitones> or is there a bugfix freeze
[19:07] <KM0201> semitones: i don't imagine there will be a "freeze" until the release candidate, but i could be wrong
[19:09] <semitones> at what point on the schedule is the rc released?
[19:10] <MichaelKohler> arand: filed bug 769121
[19:11] <arand> MichaelKohler: Cool, I'll confirm it if it turn up in my case as well.
[19:13] <phibxr> is anyone able to alt+tab to wine-windows in unity?
[19:13] <KM0201> phibxr: yup
[19:14] <phibxr> KM0201, thanks. you just restored the functionality for me. o.O
[19:14] <KM0201> lol
[19:16] <MichaelKohler> which programming languages are used in Ubuntu?
[19:17] <jo-erlend> MichaelKohler, all of them, more of less. Python is very popular and easy to learn though.
[19:18] <jo-erlend> well, probably not more than all of them. That would be too cool, even for Ubuntu.
[19:18] <MichaelKohler> hehe, okay, thanks
[19:19] <gordonjcp> MichaelKohler: same as any other distribution
[19:19] <gordonjcp> MichaelKohler: I haven't seen any PL/1
[19:19] <gordonjcp> or for that matter FOCAL
[19:19] <gordonjcp> :-o
[19:20] <gordonjcp> gordonjcp@saito:~$ apt-cache search focal
[19:20] <gordonjcp> focal - Interpreter for FOCAL programming language
[19:20] <gordonjcp> well, I'll be...
[19:20] <jo-erlend> corrected by apt-cache? :)
[19:20]  * gordonjcp digs out the PDP-8 FOCAL Programmer's Reference
[19:21] <gordonjcp> not only that but:
[19:21]  * jo-erlend takes his hangover and goes to bed.
[19:21] <gordonjcp> esix - PDP-8 Engineering and Scientific Interpreter eXtended
[19:21] <gordonjcp> whaaaaaaaat...?
[19:23] <jo-erlend> the only reason I can think of why a language would not be supported in Ubuntu, is 1) it's proprietary and 2) it's not useful enough that anyone has bothered to implement it. Of course, not all languages will have perfect support, but ..
[19:33] <BluesKaj> is there a method to edit the sudoers file to include applications that reside in /usr/sbin/ like synaptic , using the ALL NO_PASSWORD command ?
[19:33] <gordonjcp> jo-erlend: I think the original question is which ones are *used*
[19:34] <semitones> i had all these cool indicators on my gnome panel -- are you guys aware of unity alternaves to things like gnome-panel's hardware monitor?
[19:35] <BluesKaj> err command is a bad word choice , I meant path to
[19:39] <arand> MichaelKohler: Hmm, seems to work for me still after update and reboot, can rearrange windows in the windowlist as ususal..
[19:40] <MichaelKohler> arand: good for other peope, too bad for me.. thanks for testing
[19:40] <MichaelKohler> *people
[19:40] <MichaelKohler> any idea what I could do about that?
[19:42] <vinsonizer> is there any way to get panel applets in unity?  like system monitor etc?
[19:43] <mongy> +1.  I want my netspeed applet
[19:47] <arand> MichaelKohler: Does it make a difference if you create a new window list applet, or a new bottom panel with it as well?
[19:48] <MichaelKohler> arand: I'll try that, good idea
[19:48] <semitones> vinsonizer, mongy, ++
[19:49] <MichaelKohler> arand: unfortunately it doesn't make any difference
[19:50] <arand> Test with new user?
[19:51] <MichaelKohler> worth a try
[19:52] <arand> If it work there, must be a per-user setting, if not, likely a system-wide thing...
[19:52] <penguin42> I could swear there was a gconf key for allowing certain panel items through - not found it thouygh
[19:52] <arand> MichaelKohler: By the way, are you running compiz?
[19:52] <MichaelKohler> arand: yes I am
[19:52] <arand> MichaelKohler: If you "metacity --replace &disown" does it work then?
[19:54] <MichaelKohler> arand: oh, thanks, it works now
[19:54] <MichaelKohler> what does this command do?
[19:54] <arand> I'm not sure what the *correct* way to get compiz back is "compiz --replace &disown" should do it though
[19:54] <arand> MichaelKohler: It disables compiz.
[19:54] <MichaelKohler> is disown thought to return, it's still running
[19:54] <MichaelKohler> ?
[19:54] <arand> MichaelKohler: I assume you can change the bug to point to compiz instead ;)
[19:55] <mongy> ok, I tried adding netspeed to the gsettings panel thing, now how do I add it to the panel?  there is nothing to run
[19:55] <arand> MichaelKohler: disown is simply so that it doesn't exit when you close the terminal.
[19:56] <mongy> brb
[19:56] <MichaelKohler> arand: but I need to Ctrl+C to exit the terminal, is that normal?
[19:57] <arand> MichaelKohler: compiz and metacity are the two wondow managers, using one will disable the other.
[19:57] <arand> MichaelKohler: If you used "&" it shouldn't be in the foreground of the terminal..
[19:57] <frith> is there a feature roadmap for unity?
[19:58] <arand> MichaelKohler: If it works when you ran the metacity command that means it seems to work in metacity, but not in compiz, i.e. the bug is likely soething related to compiz.
[19:59] <MichaelKohler> arand: it is in the foreground even though using the &, that's weird
[20:00] <MichaelKohler> haha, nice, I used "compiz --replace & disown" now and it can still rearrange the windows
[20:00] <arand> You don't get the prompt even if you press enter once or twice?
[20:00] <MichaelKohler> ah, enter works
[20:01] <arand> Yea, the "error" messages will still get outputted to the terminal.
[20:02] <flan_suse> Hello.
[20:02] <MichaelKohler> ah nice
[20:02] <flan_suse> There still exists a major bug in Xubuntu beta 2.
[20:02] <MichaelKohler> arand: I updated the bug, can you close it as invalid or something?
[20:02] <MichaelKohler> flan_suse: tell us ;)
[20:03] <flan_suse> MichaelKohler: It might have already been reported to Xubuntu, but I know upstream Xfce has this bug as well. I bumped into it on Arch Linux, and verified it on the Arch BBS: User cannot reboot/shutdown because xfdesktop segfaults before logging out.
[20:03] <arand> MichaelKohler: Well you should be able to do so (if you don't see the issue anymore, even after re-login)
[20:03] <flan_suse> I verified this on Xubuntu 11.04 beta 2.
[20:03] <MichaelKohler> arand: I will, thanks a lot again :)
[20:04] <arand> MichaelKohler: Just click the status and edit on the bug iirc
[20:04] <MichaelKohler> flan_suse: I think you should report this directly to upstream xfce
[20:04] <flan_suse> Xubuntu 11.04 will go stable soon, but this is a severe bug from upstream. Not sure who's going to fix it really?
[20:05] <flan_suse> MichaelKohler: If upstream doesn't fix it by Xubuntu's release, will Xubuntu include an upgrade to xfdesktop afterwards, or will it freeze on the xfdesktop it releases with?
[20:05] <flan_suse> *version freeze
[20:05] <MichaelKohler> flan_suse: frankly, I have no idea ;)
[20:06] <arand> flan_suse: If it is a major bug it can be backported as per...
[20:06] <arand> !sru
[20:06] <arand> I depends on the intrusiveness though.
[20:06] <flan_suse> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7442
[20:07] <flan_suse> Oh... wow.
[20:07] <flan_suse> It was fixed today, lol.
[20:07] <flan_suse> Okay, so yeah, I guess problem solved? :P
[20:07] <flan_suse> Wonder if it's been merged into xfdesktop.
[20:08] <MichaelKohler> arand: I'll log out and back in to see whether my problem is fixed
[20:08] <arand> flan_suse: Just make sure to request the fix for a feature freeze exception, if not already planned. Or SRU, post-release.
[20:09] <flan_suse> arand: On the Xubuntu bug tracker, right?
[20:09] <arand> Hmm, well it shoudln't really be an feature exception though, since it's just a bugfix, Yea, that is likely the case.
[20:10] <flan_suse> Yeah.
[20:11] <arand> flan_suse: If you want I could attempt to make a proposed patched version..
[20:11] <flan_suse> arand: Sure.
[20:12] <flan_suse> arand: I was going to make a report on the bug tracker about the request, but whatever works better.
[20:12] <arand> Please do create it, I will attach it there if it works
[20:12] <flan_suse> arand: I'm not very sharp about the whole upstream / distro / feature freeze / merge / patch stuff.
[20:13] <flan_suse> Oh, okay.
[20:13] <arand> It helps to keep structure and reviewability with a report.
[20:16] <MichaelKohler> arand: logged out and back in, now it doesn't work anymore :(
[20:16] <arand> MichaelKohler: Note it on the bug ;)
[20:17] <MichaelKohler> arand: I have, how can I point it to compiz?
[20:17] <flan_suse> arand: Is this correct? https://bugs.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-team
[20:17] <arand> MichaelKohler: You should be able to just change the package by clicking it.
[20:19] <flan_suse> arand: Nevermind. It's via Ubuntu's bugs as well.
[20:19] <arand> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfdesktop4 would likelt be the place
[20:19] <flan_suse> arand: Ever time I try to report a new bug, I'm directed here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[20:20] <arand> flan_suse: If you have the sytem up, use "ubuntu-bug xfdesktop4" If not, there should be instructions on how to get around it...
[20:20] <flan_suse> arand: With your link, the "Report bug" actually works, hah.
[20:20] <arand> Ah, =)
[20:21] <flan_suse> arand: Never reported this type of request before. Should I name it something like "Request to patch xfdesktop" ?
[20:21] <flan_suse> arand: Because the "xfdesktop crashes on logout/reboot" is already filed with upstream xfce.
[20:23] <arand> flan_suse: Link to the upstream bugs "This serious bug was fixed upstream, please apply in xubuntu as well"
[20:24] <flan_suse> arand: Okay, I'll pastebin what I wrote.
[20:24] <arand> flan_suse: Is it's for the description just fire away, it can always be changed later.
[20:25] <flan_suse> arand: http://paste.ubuntu.com/597571/
[20:26] <flan_suse> Submit?
[20:27] <arand> flan_suse: Sure.
[20:28] <flan_suse> arand: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfdesktop4/+bug/769163
[20:31] <socomm> Hey is there a way to put 11.04's interface back to the old GNOME layout?
[20:31] <coz_> socomm,  just log out  and change the session to  Classic gnome
[20:31] <socomm> coz_: oooooooooooooh, let me try that
[20:32] <socomm> coz_: beautiful - this gnome-shell thing is not my cup of tea
[20:32] <MichaelKohler> socomm: and you probably want to go to Administration -> Login Screen and change the default there
[20:32] <coz_> socomm,  I understand :)
[20:32] <MichaelKohler> or is the choice remembered when selecting it at the login screen?
[20:33] <coz_> login screen
[20:33] <hdrodman> anyone able to install citix client on natty?
[20:33] <socomm> good deal thanks guys
[20:34] <flan_suse> arand: Have to run. I'll get emailed automatically with any updates, so thank you for being patient with me and helping me to do this.
[20:35] <socomm> here's a funny thing about the new shell whenever I run "smb://server" it doesn't take it *and* theres no "connect to server" option
[20:39] <MichaelKohler> again, thanks for all the help and have a good day/night
[20:42] <leandrodeassis> is there a chance to remove unity and use gnome classic in my image?
[20:43] <penguin42> leandrodeassis: Just choose ubuntu classic on the gdm login page
[20:43] <KM0201> leandrodeassis: why not just install, then use gnome-classic, and uninstall unity?
[20:45] <leandrodeassis> KM0201 penguin42 Yes but i don't know how to remove the top panel =/
[20:45] <penguin42> leandrodeassis: Hmm the classic mode should just be the same as before; so you're in classic mode? And you have panels where?
[20:46]  * KM0201 quotes what penguin42 said.. :)
[20:46] <KM0201> leandrodeassis: classic is gnome 2.xx, just like youv'e used in previous iterations of Ubuntu..
[20:47] <leandrodeassis> penguin42 KM0201 ok.. will try, thanks.
[20:49] <Rimo> hello
[20:49] <Rimo> just installed 11.04 and software center doesn't open
[20:49] <Rimo> it stays gray
[20:54] <Rimo> hello
[21:08] <th^^> any idea how to prevent firefox from launching again when clicking it in unitys launcher bar
[21:08] <th^^> i mean i can't 'select' running firefox anyhow from the panel, just launch new ones :/
[21:11] <shaneo> can someone please assist me with adding Yarrssr to startup i found alot of files to link to but not sure which one to use
[21:22] <th^^> damned unity
[21:25] <KM0201> anybody else having problems w/ VLC (playing .avi's) locking up the system?.. it's happened to me on several occasions
[21:25] <KM0201> totem works fine
[21:25] <darthanubis> KM0201: yes!
[21:25] <KM0201> ok, at least i knw i'm not crazy
[21:25] <darthanubis> ty me too
[21:25] <darthanubis> its a pain
[21:26] <th^^> all i'd like to do is *select* the running firefox from unity panel.. pffh.. but noo... launches new one on every click
[21:26] <KM0201> th^^: huh?.. it always brings up the currently open one for me
[21:26] <th^^> KM0201: that's what i would EXPECT it to do, too
[21:27] <th^^> this is getting annoying
[21:27] <KM0201> i just checked, thats exactly what its doing to me... assuming FF is minimized, it maximizes it.
[21:27] <th^^> lucky you
[21:28] <KM0201> th^^: strange, not sure why its behaving differently for you
[21:29] <th^^> there doesn't seem to be much logic behind unitys bugs, usually
[21:29] <th^^> so i'm not surprised
[21:29] <SeRVeR01> SMplayer is the best for me
[21:30] <KM0201> SeRVeR01: i've always liked VLC.. looks like i'm gonna have to change my position on that.
[21:30] <SeRVeR01> KM0201, try Smplayer i find it cool
[21:30] <th^^> i blame unity for that too :-D
[21:30] <KM0201> darthanubis: have you tried it in Ubuntu classic, to see if its the same behavior w/ Gnome (and its just a prob w/ unity?)
[21:30] <KM0201> th^^: probably, to be truthful
[21:30] <SeRVeR01> KM0201, if u played 10 videos it remember where u stopped at each video in case u replay it xD
[21:31] <KM0201> hmm, i got it installing, i'll check it out later
[21:31] <th^^> during these two weeks or so, i've had to reboot my machine more than windows 95 during its whole lifetime
[21:31] <th^^> with 11.04/unity
[21:32] <SeRVeR01> I just reboot after every update :)
[21:32] <slestak> what nvidia driver is recommended?  173?
[21:32] <KM0201> th^^: i'cve not had to update very often at all (going on about 2 weeks also)... i shut downj in the evening, thats abou tit.
[21:32] <SeRVeR01> th^^, consider that it still beta release ;)
[21:32] <th^^> SeRVeR01: i really doubt things will be any better next week
[21:33] <KM0201> th^^: everyone always says taht right before a release.. :)
[21:33] <th^^> actually, i can bet on it they are not
[21:33] <SeRVeR01> th^^, from my last experience  with 10.10 and it's beta version am sure everything gonna be ok :)
[21:33] <KM0201> th^^: unity will still have some bugs, that are going to have to be worked out, that is expected(to me anyway).. but i would expect the "classic" interfacer to work fine
[21:34] <bazhang> th^^, then dont use it. it has bugs in beta. stick with LTS
[21:34] <bazhang> th^^, or file bugs and make it better
[21:36] <slestak> I have a beta1 + 471 updates instaleld on a Dell e1505 that has been termpermental
[21:36] <th^^> SeRVeR01: i doubt anything can save unity for this release :) it just bugs wayy too much
[21:36] <th^^> better stick to the classic i guess
[21:36] <slestak> th^^: is that the way its going down?
[21:37] <bazhang> th^^, then file some bugs. complaining here just creates unnecessary noise
[21:37] <slestak> unity on my netbook has been pretty solid
[21:37] <slestak> intel chipset
[21:37] <slestak> on my larger laptop, I cannot get it to start
[21:37] <slestak> (unity, not the laptop)
[21:38] <slestak> gl is running, tried both nvidia choices in Hardware Settings
[21:38] <penguin42> can someone try gconf-editor for me - I'm finding just navigating around the tree is VERY slow
[21:39] <nijabo> 6 days until 11.04 and I'm really enjoying Unity so far
[21:39] <penguin42> it's certainly a lot better than it was
[21:40] <darthanubis> KM0201: I'm using Kubuntu
[21:40] <KM0201> darthanubis: oh ok.
[21:40] <KM0201> darthanubis: then maybe its not related to unity.. i thought it was
[21:41] <penguin42> darthanubis: I'm running kubuntu on one of my machines - what problem are you seeing?
[21:42] <KM0201> penguin42: VLC locking up.
[21:42] <KM0201> the whole system
[21:42] <slestak> bazhang: i did file what i consider a showstopper repeatable bug and the experience has been pretty much downplayed
[21:42] <bazhang> slestak, got  a link?
[21:43] <penguin42> KM0201: I'm seeing problems with full screen flash doing that, especially if I move between virtual desktops at the same time - what graphics hardware? Do you end up with any dmesg logs ?
[21:43] <penguin42> oh sorry, that's a redirect from darthanubis isn't it?
[21:43] <KM0201> penguin42: no dmesg logs.. graphics device is an Intel GM965
[21:43] <KM0201> penguin42: and full screen flash has been no problem
[21:44] <slestak> bazhang: got you in a pm
[21:44] <bazhang> slestak, here please
[21:44] <slestak> ok
[21:44] <slestak> sec
[21:44] <boodroscotch> Hey guys, does the Liquorix kernel play well with Natty?
[21:45] <accipter> I am using natty. When I select 'Find Files' (in dash maybe?) I want it to search for all files in my favorite folders that match a name. Is this possible? Right now it seems to only consider files that I have recently opened.
[21:45] <slestak> bazhang: bug 763155
[21:45] <penguin42> KM0201: I had my i945 running unity X server die earlierl segging X server - could see the seg in /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old
[21:45] <slestak> the description was changed form my original by triage
[21:45] <KM0201> penguin42: actualy, vlc locking up, is the only problem i have had.
[21:46] <slestak> bazhang: i worked on this with my loco also
[21:46] <penguin42> KM0201: Can you login remotely or via ctrl-alt-f1 when it locks up?
[21:46] <slestak> this isnt my first install, and 9.04, 9.10, 10.04, etc all install on this machine well
[21:46] <KM0201> penguin42: completely lock up, i have to hard reset.
[21:46] <darthanubis> penguin42: VLC hard locks system
[21:47] <KM0201> penguin42: a couple of times, my mouse would move for a short time, then it woul dlock up
[21:47] <slestak> only beta2 is doign this.  I have redownloaded the iso and will try again to see if it is repeatable with new media.
[21:47] <KM0201> penguin42: all windows freeze, etc.. (movie stops obviously, i was in IRC, and the channel stopped scrolling, etc..)
[21:48] <slestak> the machine is running now on beya1 + 471 updates in uvuntu classic
[21:48] <penguin42> KM0201/ darthanubis: Well it's unlikely to be actually a VLC bug - most likely X or kernel; you could try xorg-edgers if you're feeling adventurous; you could also login remotely first and then keep a dmesg or tail -f /var/log/syslog going in the background
[21:48] <slestak> doh, pardon my typonese
[21:48] <penguin42> slestak: Hey we both speak typonese
[21:49] <slestak> its been a long day
[21:50] <KM0201> lol
[21:51] <rrva> hi! network-manager gui will not let me connect to new networks, the "more networks" choice is empty, also no window appears when choosing "Edit connections..." .. but it has found some other networks which are listed on the first menu.
[21:51] <rrva> so, i'm on eth0 now
[21:52] <rrva> this used to work fine on prev. ubuntu.. anyone recognize this in natty?
[21:53] <slestak> rrva: broadcom or intel?
[21:53] <slestak> rrva: i had real problems getting my broadcom straight with beta1 on my netbook
[21:53] <rrva> intel
[21:54] <rrva> it's not a driver problem, it's a UI problem
[21:54] <rrva> it lists some wifi networks ok, not just mine, I need to go to "More networks" for this, which is a blank submenu
[21:54] <KM0201> SeRVeR01: how do you set brightness, etc.. in SMPlayer?  it doesn't work for me (i found the settings, just changing them does nothing)
[21:54] <rrva> also "Edit connections..." does not show
[21:55] <rrva> KM0201: try using opengl vo
[21:55] <slestak> rrva: this is the same in unity and ubuntu classic?
[21:55] <KM0201> rrva: opengl vo  ?
[21:55] <rrva> -vo gl2
[21:55] <slestak> video out
[21:55] <KM0201> rrva: you mean start the video in terminal and put that at the end?
[21:55] <rrva> opengl has better controls than xv
[21:55] <KM0201> sorry, never heard of that
[21:55] <KM0201> oh ok
[21:55] <KM0201> hang on
[21:55] <rrva> ah, in smplayer you need to enable that in your options
[21:56] <rrva> but try starting mplayer from commandline first to verify that the brightness is controllable
[21:56] <rrva> maybe it also has to do with color conversion settings
[21:56] <rrva> so, i'm off to hand-configure wpa-supplicant etc
[21:56] <rrva> bohoo
[21:57] <slestak> bazhang: you get a chance to peruse that bug report?
[21:57] <slestak> bazhang: ty for your time today
[21:57] <slestak> rrva: did you see my post, unity and classic?
[21:58] <KM0201> rrva: nope, that didn't work to adjust brightness either
[21:58] <lars_t_h> rrva, does this command: "iwlist wlan0 scanning" show anything (assumes wlan0 is your WLAN interface)? if not, then maybe WLAN is diabled, or the driver is not working correctly.
[21:58] <KM0201> but SMPlayer does seem to run better
[21:59] <slestak> KM0201: are you on battery or a plugged in desktop?
[21:59] <slestak> maybe power scheme is gettign in teh way
[21:59] <KM0201> plugged .. its not a powersaving issue (although i am on a laptop)
[22:05] <rrva> lars_t_h: iwlist wlan0 shows a lot of networks, among them the one I want. like I said, it's a UI problem
[22:06] <rrva> lars_t_h: network-manager just works partially
[22:06] <arand> Anyone on xubuntu care to test the patch in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-session/+bug/711571 ?
[22:06] <lars_t_h> rrva, ok
[22:07] <arand> (If you are seeing the bug, of course)
[22:09] <nijabo> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/04/how-to-add-folder-quicklists-to-the-home-launcher-in-ubuntu-unity/
[22:09] <nijabo> I'd recommend you to try that out
[22:09] <nijabo> Worked for me and I found it useful
[22:11] <picca> what is the difference between Chrome and Chromium and what do you guys use... since upgrading to 11.04 i am thinking i might use Chromium instead of Chrome
[22:14] <slestak> bazhang: you get a chance to peruse that bug report?
[22:14] <slestak> bazhang: ty for your time today
[22:15] <bazhang> slestak, yep. sorry a bit busy with matters in other channels atm
[22:15] <slestak> oh, np.  ty for even looking at this
[22:15] <slestak> i am busy too, and I'll be around for another hour so no rush
[22:15] <SeRVeR01> KM0201, sorry was away
[22:15] <KM0201> no prob.
[22:15] <SeRVeR01> KM0201,  adjust the britness from Movie player
[22:15] <syke_> hi
[22:16] <KM0201> SeRVeR01: doesn't work.
[22:16] <KM0201> the equalizer moves, but does nothing.
[22:16] <vincenzoml> Hi all. What equaliser?
[22:19] <SeRVeR01> KM0201, just tried it
[22:19] <SeRVeR01> working here
[22:19] <KM0201> SeRVeR01: dunno, not working here.. not a huge deal.. but its definitely nojt making any changes...
[22:21] <SeRVeR01> KM0201,  do u close it and reopen after making a change in Movie player ?
[22:21] <KM0201> no.. that kinda destroys the point.
[22:24] <SeRVeR01> do u use twitter ?
[22:24] <KM0201> me? lol, no
[22:25] <SeRVeR01> i tried several clients but all sux :D
[22:26] <torchie> gwibber is quite strange
[22:27] <torchie> have to enter an irc command to follow someone, what
[22:28] <SeRVeR01> i tried hotot it's good but still in developments needs alot
[22:28] <BUGabundo> SeRVeR01: pidgin with twitter pluing
[22:28] <BUGabundo> + gwibber-service
[22:28] <BUGabundo> + seesmic web
[22:28] <BUGabundo> torchie: no you don't
[22:29] <torchie> say what
[22:29] <SeRVeR01> BUGabundo, am gonna try pidgin now
[22:29] <torchie> I was having a hard time figuring out how to follow someone by going to their profile
[22:29] <torchie> and I eventually came to a topic that said to /follow username
[22:30] <BUGabundo> yes
[22:30] <BUGabundo> that's *one* way
[22:31] <torchie> what's the other way?
[22:32] <torchie> inquiring minds want to know!
[22:33] <BUGabundo> haven't used Gwibber GUI in a long time lOL
[22:33] <BUGabundo> clicking on a nick should do it oo
[22:33] <torchie> is there a gwibber CLI
[22:33] <BUGabundo> don't think so
[22:34] <torchie> can't find anything
[22:34] <torchie> right clicking the profile pic does nothing
[22:52] <SeRVeR01> goodnight all
[22:58] <perscitus> What app is responsible for moving window controls when maximized?
[22:59] <perscitus> anyone?
[23:00] <Estragon> hi, im facing a huge issue on 11.04
[23:00] <perscitus> What app is responsible for moving window controls when maximized?
[23:00] <Estragon> when a session is starting I got error "/home/xxx/.ICEAuthority cant be updated"
[23:01] <Estragon> and then "gconf failed with error 256"
[23:01] <zaery> I feel like a huge idiot for not being able to figure this out, but: How do i turn compiz off?
[23:02] <torchie> log out and log in as Ubuntu Classic?
[23:02] <torchie> (no effects)
[23:02] <zniavre> alt+f2 metacity --replace'   should do the trick
[23:02] <torchie> that might work too
[23:02] <perscitus> Unity needs Compiz
[23:02] <perscitus> Unity is plugin for Compiz
[23:03] <perscitus> What app is responsible for moving window controls or buttons when maximized?
[23:03] <zaery> then I guess i'll be looking for a way to get gnome on 11.04. I need wine to work, and compiz always messes with wine
[23:03] <penguin42> Estragon: It would be worth checking that your disk isn't full
[23:04] <penguin42> Estragon: But then also just check your home directory and in particular that .ICEauthority file is readable
[23:04] <perscitus> zaery, or switch to xubuntu
[23:04] <perscitus> zaery,  or use classic mode but that wont be avail in 11.10
[23:04] <Estragon> penguin42: disk has 40% free, already done many things about ICEauthority
[23:04] <Estragon> including chmoding it, deleting it ...
[23:05] <Estragon> additionnaly when I create a new user and log on it
[23:05] <perscitus> What app is responsible for moving window controls or buttons when maximized?
[23:05] <Estragon> I got the exact same issue
[23:05] <penguin42> Estragon: Hmm odd - are you using encrypted home directories ?
[23:05] <perscitus> why doesnt anyone know my question?
[23:05] <Estragon> nop
[23:06] <penguin42> Estragon: Hmm odd; if you run 'id' as your user after login does it correspond to the userid shown from ls -ld ~
[23:07] <perscitus> im trying to make unity usuable a little more. I removed appmenu, now i need to keep the controls in the window and not in panel
[23:08] <lars_t_h> perscitus, X11 is drawing things on the screen, and your desktop is responible moving things, AFAIK
[23:09] <perscitus> Anyone know how to keep Window buttons from being moved to panel?
[23:09] <lars_t_h> perscitus, ^
[23:09] <penguin42> perscitus: I suspect it's either compiz or unity-window-decorator but I haven't figured out how unity has actually changed it
[23:09] <perscitus> penguin42,  i want to disable it. its annoying
[23:10] <penguin42> perscitus: Yes I can sympathise - but I don't think many of us really understand how unity has changed stuff
[23:10] <perscitus> buttons look ugly with translucent panel
[23:10] <lars_t_h> perscitus, take a look indside the gconf database
[23:10] <lars_t_h> settings there controls your desktop
[23:12] <lars_t_h> penguin42, Unity 3D is a compiz plugin, and Unity 2D is Qt
[23:12] <perscitus> isnt QT commercial?
[23:12] <penguin42> lars_t_h: Yes but there are a lot more bits to the puzzle - for example the menu stuff done using dbusmenu
[23:13] <lars_t_h> penguin42, true, but it is also GPL licensed
[23:13] <perscitus> penguin42,  what would they be called though
[23:13] <lars_t_h> penguin42, true
[23:14] <perscitus> There is over 13k Unity sucks results in google
[23:15] <lars_t_h> perscitus, Qt is commercial and GPL licensed and maybe also  LGPL
[23:15] <perscitus> in the past month
[23:16] <rww> Qt licensing: http://qt.nokia.com/products/licensing/licensing3
[23:16] <rww> tl;dr: multilicensed under LGPL2, GPL3, and a commercial license
[23:16] <lars_t_h> perscitus, ok - i like Unity - it is different from Ubuntu Classic. it will take some time to switch to the new desktop.
[23:16] <arand> Most of the "unity sucks" is a 1minute-opinion though, I'd claim. I don't particularly like it myself, but I don't see it as being particualarly bad eirther...
[23:16] <perscitus> lars_t_h,  i hate unity
[23:17] <rww> !hate
[23:17] <perscitus> nothing to customize
[23:17] <arand> Costomizability was never the goal  for Unity, at least not for this "first" release.
[23:18] <lars_t_h> perscitus, In Ubuntu 11.10 you have choise: a) Unity or b) GNOME 3 (Unity like)
[23:18] <perscitus> lars_t_h,   Install gnome3 on 11.04 is a pain.
[23:18] <torchie> unity is fun on a bun
[23:18] <perscitus> tried and it broke
[23:19] <torchie> needs more
[23:19] <perscitus> Unity is a nightmare to custmize
[23:19] <perscitus> and more people will hate it after release.
[23:19] <torchie> switching between windows in different workspaces
[23:19] <lars_t_h> perscitus, installing GNOME + GTK+ chain of sotware libs had always been a pain
[23:19] <torchie> lol customize
[23:19] <lars_t_h> *s/sotware/software
[23:19] <lcb> you can just use classic and customize the way you want...
[23:20] <perscitus> but classic is gone in 11.10
[23:20] <perscitus> duh
[23:20] <torchie> you could just spend less time customizing and more time using
[23:20] <perscitus> torchie,  thats the thing, i cant use it.
[23:20] <KM0201> perscitus: wel, i think ther'es Gnome 3, and Unity-2D, installed by default on 11.10 (or at least i read that somewhere)
[23:21] <perscitus> torchie,  I cant use it as is. Its a pain in the butt to use it as is.
[23:21] <lars_t_h> perscitus, gconf will do rhe trick of customize - who said Windows like reg database?
[23:21] <perscitus> Apps Available to Download stuff in Unity dock is irritating too.
[23:21] <torchie> then maybe use something else
[23:22] <rww> arand: given other Canonical software I've used, I don't think customizability is going to be a goal ever. Which is either a good or bad thing depending on your opinions (and IRC users tend to go with "bad thing" ;).
[23:22] <slestak> gnome3 doesnt allow a bunch of customization either
[23:22] <perscitus> and Unity dock windows... huge window border.  stupid.
[23:22] <lcb> and not only gconf, you can do a lot more. try playing with the apps or settings you used before 11.04
[23:22] <lars_t_h> perscitus, well Unity is final at Ubutnu 12.04
[23:22] <perscitus> gconf in 11.04 burried so much stuff and its gibbish speak to me
[23:24] <perscitus> i found show_maximized_titlebars but apparent unity ignores itr
[23:25] <lars_t_h> perscitus, if i after a week of testing Unity don't like Unity, i will switch to Kubuntu 11.04, wich have KDE 4.6.*
[23:25] <lcb> i'm switching to windows 3.1
[23:25] <perscitus> lars_t_h,  tried that. and didnt like it either.
[23:25] <perscitus> I give themes 2-6 hours tops.
[23:25] <rww> KDE 4.6.2
[23:26] <perscitus> things*
[23:26] <lars_t_h> perscitus, and Xubuntu?
[23:26] <rww> perscitus: I put up with stuff for a week, usually. 2-6 hours is nowhere long enough to change ingrained habits.
[23:26] <rww> and sometimes new habits in new UIs are better. Not often, but it happens ;)
[23:27] <torchie> huh.
[23:27] <perscitus> rww,  ingrained habits take years.
[23:27] <torchie> flash window is capturing all my keyboard input in firefox regardless of tab
[23:27] <rww> perscitus: maybe my brain is overly malleable then, because that's not the case for me ;P
[23:27] <torchie> maybe the problem is ingratiation instead of adaptation?
[23:27] <torchie> is our greatest ability not that of adjustment to the new
[23:27] <perscitus> rww, Note how hard for someone to quit smoking.
[23:28] <torchie> so ubuntu classic is like smoking
[23:28] <lcb> I AM
[23:28] <rww> perscitus: Smoking has a chemical dependency. How you click on things doesn't.
[23:28] <lcb> electronic cigarettes
[23:28] <torchie> anyone having issues with compiz wobble windows freaking out and staying wobbly
[23:28] <perscitus> rww,  Here's an example, it takes 7 seconds to open Xchat in Unity Dock. And the about 7 clicks to get to the icon.
[23:29] <torchie> "the icon?"
[23:29] <rww> perscitus: I assume you're deliberately avoiding keyboard use there?
[23:29] <lars_t_h> torchie, ubuntu classic is like smoking? :) I think it is true.
[23:30] <perscitus> rww,  I dont use keyboard. for  launching apps. Never will
[23:30] <torchie> avoiding keyboard use is valid, not everyone automatically knows unity's keyboard functions
[23:30] <rww> perscitus: Heh. I guess we're opposites.
[23:30] <torchie> and this isn't 1998, people use pointing devices and GUIs
[23:30] <perscitus> I dont like pulling out keyboard tray just to open firefox.  or whatever. i just want to frakin browse the web
[23:30] <torchie> then move your mouse to the unity dock and click firefox
[23:31] <lars_t_h> perscitus, Unity has a lot of keyboard shortcuts
[23:31] <perscitus> lars_t_h,  thats funny since it was designed for touchscreen use later.
[23:32] <torchie> my major issue is that the unity dock isn't visible at all times like windows and OSX's docks
[23:32] <perscitus> Mouse is faster.
[23:32] <lars_t_h> perscitus, i know - there is more than one way to the same thing
[23:32] <perscitus> lars_t_h,  except that one way, Ubuntu developers are intentionally trying to discourage
[23:33] <rww> Nope. One of the design goals of Unity was to make it accessible. Part of accessibility is keyboard navigation.
[23:33] <perscitus> And I cant even make Unity dock transparent either
[23:33] <trism> torchie: you can disable hiding the launcher in ccsm
[23:33] <lars_t_h> perscitus, i am using a trackball - i will damage my hand if i use a mouse
[23:33] <perscitus> Mouse is accessible
[23:34] <torchie> that sounds very "not default"
[23:34] <perscitus> trackballs are faster then a mouse if you get used to it
[23:34] <rww> perscitus: Mice are not accessibile to a whole boatload of people.
[23:34] <perscitus> rww,  it is to blind people
[23:34] <lars_t_h> perscitus, i am software developer
[23:34] <rww> ...
[23:35] <torchie> the keyboard shortcut of pressing super and typing what you want is great, but
[23:36] <torchie> not at the expense of mouse usability
[23:36] <perscitus> The whole point in being accessible is for blind people. But blind people can use a mouse
[23:36] <torchie> that said, what are the mouse usability issues besides dock not being always visible by default and the need to mouse-wheel scroll through it?
[23:36] <rww> perscitus: Both of those sentences are false.
[23:36] <perscitus> UNity dock doesnt categorize apps
[23:37] <perscitus> rww,  no it isnt
[23:37] <torchie> "categorize apps?"
[23:37] <rww> perscitus: Yes, they are.
[23:37] <perscitus> rww A blind person can use a mouse.
[23:37] <perscitus> rww,  You can do audible alerts on mouseover
[23:37] <torchie> you mean the unintuitive and cumbersome way the ubuntu classic menu categorized apps?
[23:38] <rww> Apparently we have different definitions of "use". I exclude instances of it that would make me want to throw the mouse at the computer screen.
[23:38] <perscitus> torchie, not cumbersome, easy to navigate
[23:38] <perscitus> Its why gnome3 does categorize apps\
[23:39] <trism> perscitus: the apps are categorized, there is a dropdown at the top right
[23:39] <perscitus> trism,  in gnome3. not unity
[23:39] <trism> perscitus: in unity
[23:40] <torchie> categories are terrible
[23:40] <torchie> what category does "Terminal" go under
[23:40] <torchie> Accessories?
[23:41] <torchie> a terminal is not an accessory
[23:41] <torchie> I'd use it for administration
[23:41] <perscitus> Yes it is
[23:41] <perscitus> Terminal is an accessory. its not needed really for people who use gui
[23:41] <torchie> so unnecessary things go under accessories?
[23:42] <torchie> most people don't need libreoffice draw, does that go under accessories
[23:42] <lars_t_h> perscitus, a lot of the Ubuntu DK Loco Team users use and like Terminal
[23:42] <perscitus> torchie,  However, that is part of a suite of apps.
[23:42] <torchie> log file viewer, does that go under accessories?
[23:43] <torchie> or administration?
[23:43] <rww> administration
[23:43] <torchie> synaptic isn't needed for layman users who use software center
[23:43] <torchie> does that go under accessories?
[23:43] <rww> administration
[23:43] <perscitus> What about UNity Windows. Why so big?
[23:44] <perscitus> Unity Dock Windows have 1 inch of waste of space between icons.
[23:44] <torchie> unity dock windows?
[23:45] <perscitus> or whatever you call it. the window that pops up when you click ubuntu logo.
[23:45] <torchie> oh the overlay
[23:45] <perscitus> its still window.
[23:45] <torchie> less confusing, more readable
[23:45] <perscitus> The border is 1/4 of an inch thick.
[23:46] <perscitus> and thats really uneccessary.
[23:46] <torchie> yeah I'm not a fan of the border
[23:46] <torchie> I've been wanting for it to fill the whole screen
[23:46] <penguin42> perscitus: I think it's designed to be usable from a touchscreen
[23:46] <penguin42> perscitus: So the gaps between the icons probably make sense for that
[23:46] <perscitus> The enlarge button can be moved to the window and just use drop shadow.
[23:46] <torchie> I don't quite understand why there's a resize drag corner thing
[23:46] <torchie> that only works noce
[23:46] <torchie> once*
[23:47] <perscitus> torchie,  that can be moved to overlay window. no need for border
[23:47] <torchie> if it could just fill the screen
[23:48] <perscitus> which is worse.
[23:48] <torchie> is it
[23:48] <perscitus> btw, Horizontal Space on desktop is move important then Vertical.
[23:49] <lars_t_h> penguin42, that is true, it is old knowledge that you don't design small icons for touchscreens.
[23:49] <perscitus> Vertical scrolling is faster then Horizontal scrolling
[23:49] <torchie> yeah that's mostly why the osx/windows docks are on the bottom
[23:50] <lars_t_h> otherwise you have a pencil-touchscreen GUI
[23:50] <perscitus> If you are stock broker, you need open window on display all the time.  While browsing with another window
[23:50] <penguin42> perscitus: Well that's what the 14 monitors are for
[23:50] <torchie> yeah really
[23:51] <torchie> if you're a stock broker and you don't have at least 12 1080p or higher displays running simultaneously
[23:51] <perscitus> penguin42,  uh laptops
[23:51] <penguin42> perscitus: Stock brokers on laptops?
[23:51] <torchie> stock brokers on ubuntu?
[23:51] <perscitus> penguin42,  its call being mobile
[23:52] <torchie> isn't there always a window open
[23:52] <lcb> stock brokers using ubuntu, why not...
[23:52] <perscitus> I would make Unity Overlays icon only and skip the text.
[23:52] <perscitus> and icons closer together
[23:53] <torchie> "skip the text?"
[23:53] <penguin42> the icons by themselves aren't enough for new people to understand the icons
[23:53] <perscitus> penguin42,  mouseover.
[23:53] <torchie> mystery meat interface?
[23:53] <penguin42> (a recent experiment they did showed a reasonable number of people were confused by the icons in unity itself)
[23:53] <penguin42> torchie: The are-you-feeling-lucky icon
[23:53] <torchie> not even apple's icons are enough for people to know what the apps are
[23:53] <torchie> that's why there's text under every single one
[23:54] <torchie> always.
[23:54] <torchie> well except for on the dock
[23:54] <perscitus> but there is no option for people who dont want it
[23:54] <torchie> yeah because options should be eliminated when they make something unusable
[23:55] <torchie> as much as I'd like to move my steering wheel behind the inner corridor of the trunk, that'd make the car less usable
[23:55] <perscitus> that didnt make sense
[23:55] <torchie> yeah, it made dollars
[23:56] <perscitus> Unity Overlay  covers probably more then 3/4 of the display on 1440x900 resolution. That is unacceptable
[23:57] <perscitus> And whats the Apps Available to download junk? whats the reason for that?
[23:57] <Belial`> perscitus, the dashboard that lists all the apps and folders and uses search?
[23:57] <perscitus> its what Ubuntu Software Center is for
[23:57] <rww> yeah, the apps available to download thing is silly.
[23:57] <torchie> yeah it is a bit odd
[23:57] <torchie> also media apps
[23:57] <torchie> internet apps
[23:57] <torchie> more apps
[23:58] <perscitus> If people wanted to look for new apps, they would use Software Center
[23:58] <lcb> perscitus, go to "Startup Applications" and add ' gnome-panel '. you'll have "tree menus" again, on unity. make it autohide, uncheck expand.
[23:58] <torchie> question
[23:58] <torchie> libreoffice or abiword?
[23:58] <lcb> you can do more... make the panel as short as possible, type in terminal ' gconf-editor ', go to apps - panel - toplevels - bottom_panel_screen. on option 'hide_delay' change default from 300 to 2147483647 milliseconds.
[23:58] <Belial`> perscitus, 1366x760 here and after setting it to "desktop" in dconf-editor it takes up less than half the screen.
[23:59] <penguin42> torchie: libreoffice for me, although it still annoys me every time I use it
[23:59] <lcb> then, you can move the bar/panel by dragging it with the mouse on the very left or righ of it. you could even have only the tree alike menu (gnome's Main Menu), floating.
[23:59] <torchie> yeah a bit
[23:59] <torchie> I just got into a fight with word 2007 over formatting of the docx file for my english term paper
[23:59] <torchie> botched everything up, so I switched to odt and still there were formatting issues when opened in word
[23:59] <perscitus> lcb,  or just use classic