[00:06] <JanC> AlanBell: yeah, it got in late, but lots of people were beta-testing it by then (making it the default earlier would have been better though)
[00:11] <JanC> although it's difficult to say if they did a systematic test of all locales  ☺
[00:24] <jbicha> hmm, Gnome Magnifier doesn't work for me
[02:29] <charlie-tca> AlanBell: thank you for the write-up on making unity work in virtualbox! That is a great article
 charlie-tca, I did a screen reader install and it's really broken. it reads frm_liveinstaller, btn_forward, ... all the symbolic names of the widgets.
[16:01] <maco> it was reading "go forward button" before...
[16:02] <maco> i havent figured out yet how to make it say "install button" but i got instructions from ev for using accerciser, so that might be tonight
[16:05] <maco> jibel: which daily was this on?
[16:09] <charlie-tca> today
[16:09] <charlie-tca> We are smoke testing the final candidates 
[16:21] <maco> thats a regression from a week ago
[16:23] <charlie-tca> We can't really win, huh?
[16:23] <Pendulum> :(
[16:24] <maco> im checking the revision history
[16:24] <charlie-tca> jibel made another comment -
 charlie-tca, technically that's because ubiquity routinely set the atk_name of the widget to the value taken from the glade file. I think that's used to test ubiquity and be independant of the language but that breaks the a11y devices.
[16:24] <charlie-tca> does that help?
[16:25] <jibel> maco, I'm testing again I tested the right build.
[16:26] <charlie-tca> Thanks, jibel 
[16:26] <charlie-tca> We do keep trying ... 
[16:26] <jibel> s/again/again to ensure/
[16:27] <Pendulum> is the release team aware of the issues?
[16:27] <maco> i dont know. i dont see any changes that look relevant
[16:28] <maco> i dont think there's a chance of this being good in natty. too close to release :-/ 
[16:29] <Pendulum> if we have 2 installers in a row borked (since Maverick is borked), it is not good :-/
[16:29] <maco> jibel: when you were doing it, do you remember what the partition page was like? was that also just widget names?
[16:30] <Pendulum> I'm just bringing up that it might be a good time to poke skaet since they're doing the release meeting right now
[16:30] <maco> because as of the 19th or 20th, that shouldve read labels next to the radio buttons
[16:30] <jibel> maco, that's what I'm checking, if it's ubiquity 2.6.5 or earlier. I'm testing so many image that I could have done a mistake. I'm double-checking.
[16:30] <maco> ok
[16:31] <maco> 2.6.6 is the one where the radio buttons should be correct
[16:32] <charlie-tca> yes, release team is aware
[16:32] <maco> (or maybe 2.6.7? i dont think "import atk" is actually needed since im pretty sure its automatic with gtk, but if it is...then 2.6.7 is the one that has the "import atk" line)
[16:34] <charlie-tca> hm, is it possible for the blind user to do the install with the names being given?
[16:34] <charlie-tca> Last orca install I did, I picked auto-login, and the screen-reader started with the desktop. It goes right to classic-desktop now. 
[16:48] <jibel> maco, I confirm the problem with ubiquity 2.6.9
[16:49] <jibel> first there is bug 749702
[16:49] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 749702 in ubiquity ""Try Ubuntu" screen-reads as "Try $RELEASE"" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/749702
[16:49] <jibel> then the window name of ubiquity reads live_installer
[16:50] <maco> i wonder if this is related to the translation changes they made the last few days...
[16:50] <jibel> maco, and all the buttons/radio buttons/checkbox reads the label then a smybolic name like
[16:50] <maco> yeah i know they read the symbolic name after. i couldnt make it stop doing that. but the label being read *at all* is the important bit
[16:50] <jibel> replace_partition, reuse_partition, custom_partition, timezone_city_entry, ...
[16:50] <maco> there were changes to translation templates the last few days. i wonder if thats why variables are being read now
[16:51] <jibel> maco, another thing, this the "install now" button reads forward
[16:52] <maco> yes i know that
[16:52] <maco> thats the one i saw saying above i was attempting to sort
[16:53] <jibel> maco, ok so nothing new :-)
[16:53] <maco> s/saw/was/
[16:57] <jibel> maco, the weird name after the label is caused by this code in ubiquity/frontend/gtk_ui.py
[16:57] <jibel>             widget.set_name(name)
[16:57] <jibel>             atk_desc = widget.get_accessible()
[16:57] <jibel>             atk_desc.set_name(name)
[16:57] <jibel> it calls it routinely and set the id of the object from the glade file to the atk name
[16:59] <maco> i wondered what that was doing...
[17:00] <maco> that was added in december
[17:00] <maco> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/ubiquity/trunk/revision/4461
[17:36] <maco> jibel: im guessing ev thought that was better-than-nothing
[17:37] <maco> if we remove it, it'd probably stop the say-label-then-var thing, but itd probably also stop having anything said *at all* for most stuff :-/
[18:49] <AlanBell> bug 769104
[18:49] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 769104 in onboard "default layout always loaded due to gconf key handling error" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/769104
[18:50] <AlanBell> I will fix that one, but not going to jump up and down and stamp my feet to get it into Natty pre-release
[19:00] <JanC> it can go in the day after release...
[19:00] <JanC> or so
[19:00] <JanC> or next week if that's still allowed
[19:04] <maco> could get a 0-day sru
[19:06] <AlanBell> yeah, got to fix it first
[19:09] <AlanBell> and it will expose the fact that I didn't recolour the "Full" keyboard layout so I have to do that too
[20:18] <AlanBell> and the Full-Dark layout which is white text on dark keycaps
[20:57] <AlanBell> and it is all going to be a 0day SRU now
[23:16] <AlanBell> http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/onboardfulldark.png is the reversed colour layout as it stands today
[23:16] <AlanBell> although a bug prevents it from actually being available
[23:16] <AlanBell> curious what charlie-tca and others think of it