[00:06] AlanBell: yeah, it got in late, but lots of people were beta-testing it by then (making it the default earlier would have been better though) [00:11] although it's difficult to say if they did a systematic test of all locales ☺ [00:24] hmm, Gnome Magnifier doesn't work for me [02:29] AlanBell: thank you for the write-up on making unity work in virtualbox! That is a great article === hajour1 is now known as UndifineD [15:34] charlie-tca, I did a screen reader install and it's really broken. it reads frm_liveinstaller, btn_forward, ... all the symbolic names of the widgets. [16:01] it was reading "go forward button" before... [16:02] i havent figured out yet how to make it say "install button" but i got instructions from ev for using accerciser, so that might be tonight [16:05] jibel: which daily was this on? [16:09] today [16:09] We are smoke testing the final candidates [16:21] thats a regression from a week ago [16:23] We can't really win, huh? [16:23] :( [16:24] im checking the revision history [16:24] jibel made another comment - [16:24] charlie-tca, technically that's because ubiquity routinely set the atk_name of the widget to the value taken from the glade file. I think that's used to test ubiquity and be independant of the language but that breaks the a11y devices. [16:24] does that help? [16:25] maco, I'm testing again I tested the right build. [16:26] Thanks, jibel [16:26] We do keep trying ... [16:26] s/again/again to ensure/ [16:27] is the release team aware of the issues? [16:27] i dont know. i dont see any changes that look relevant [16:28] i dont think there's a chance of this being good in natty. too close to release :-/ [16:29] if we have 2 installers in a row borked (since Maverick is borked), it is not good :-/ [16:29] jibel: when you were doing it, do you remember what the partition page was like? was that also just widget names? [16:30] I'm just bringing up that it might be a good time to poke skaet since they're doing the release meeting right now [16:30] because as of the 19th or 20th, that shouldve read labels next to the radio buttons [16:30] maco, that's what I'm checking, if it's ubiquity 2.6.5 or earlier. I'm testing so many image that I could have done a mistake. I'm double-checking. [16:30] ok [16:31] 2.6.6 is the one where the radio buttons should be correct [16:32] yes, release team is aware [16:32] (or maybe 2.6.7? i dont think "import atk" is actually needed since im pretty sure its automatic with gtk, but if it is...then 2.6.7 is the one that has the "import atk" line) [16:34] hm, is it possible for the blind user to do the install with the names being given? [16:34] Last orca install I did, I picked auto-login, and the screen-reader started with the desktop. It goes right to classic-desktop now. [16:48] maco, I confirm the problem with ubiquity 2.6.9 [16:49] first there is bug 749702 [16:49] Launchpad bug 749702 in ubiquity ""Try Ubuntu" screen-reads as "Try $RELEASE"" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/749702 [16:49] then the window name of ubiquity reads live_installer [16:50] i wonder if this is related to the translation changes they made the last few days... [16:50] maco, and all the buttons/radio buttons/checkbox reads the label then a smybolic name like [16:50] yeah i know they read the symbolic name after. i couldnt make it stop doing that. but the label being read *at all* is the important bit [16:50] replace_partition, reuse_partition, custom_partition, timezone_city_entry, ... [16:50] there were changes to translation templates the last few days. i wonder if thats why variables are being read now [16:51] maco, another thing, this the "install now" button reads forward [16:52] yes i know that [16:52] thats the one i saw saying above i was attempting to sort [16:53] maco, ok so nothing new :-) [16:53] s/saw/was/ [16:57] maco, the weird name after the label is caused by this code in ubiquity/frontend/gtk_ui.py [16:57] widget.set_name(name) [16:57] atk_desc = widget.get_accessible() [16:57] atk_desc.set_name(name) [16:57] it calls it routinely and set the id of the object from the glade file to the atk name [16:59] i wondered what that was doing... [17:00] that was added in december [17:00] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/ubiquity/trunk/revision/4461 [17:36] jibel: im guessing ev thought that was better-than-nothing [17:37] if we remove it, it'd probably stop the say-label-then-var thing, but itd probably also stop having anything said *at all* for most stuff :-/ [18:49] bug 769104 [18:49] Launchpad bug 769104 in onboard "default layout always loaded due to gconf key handling error" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/769104 [18:50] I will fix that one, but not going to jump up and down and stamp my feet to get it into Natty pre-release [19:00] it can go in the day after release... [19:00] or so [19:00] or next week if that's still allowed [19:04] could get a 0-day sru [19:06] yeah, got to fix it first [19:09] and it will expose the fact that I didn't recolour the "Full" keyboard layout so I have to do that too === hypatia is now known as k9|hypatia === k9|hypatia is now known as hypatia [20:18] and the Full-Dark layout which is white text on dark keycaps [20:57] and it is all going to be a 0day SRU now === j1mc is now known as j1mc|afk === j1mc|afk is now known as j1mc === j1mc is now known as j1mc|afk [23:16] http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/onboardfulldark.png is the reversed colour layout as it stands today [23:16] although a bug prevents it from actually being available [23:16] curious what charlie-tca and others think of it === erkan^ is now known as zippo^ === kinoucho` is now known as kinouchou