[17:56]  * tarunno poking Tanvir 
[18:07]  * tuhin poking tarunno 
[18:07] <tarunno> tuhin, hi
[18:07] <tuhin> how are u
[18:07] <tuhin> is there any namaz timer for ubuntu?
[18:09] <tuhin> i found 3 but not sure which is good
[18:09] <tarunno> no I never tried those
[18:10] <tarunno> but I think the one comes with Ubuntu Muslim Edition should be good enough
[18:10] <tuhin> that distro is huge
[18:13] <tuhin> who owns http://www.linux.org.bd??
[18:23] <tarunno> BLUA
[18:28] <tarunno> The sabily team is very ative one
[18:28] <tarunno> Ubuntu 11.04 is realising at 28th April
[18:28] <tarunno> and Sabily 11.04 is releasing at 5 May
[18:28] <tarunno> impressive
[18:30] <tuhin> back, what did i miss?
[18:30] <tarunno> The Ubuntu ME is now called Sabily
[18:31] <tarunno> and their team is one of the very active one
[18:31] <tarunno> Ubuntu 11.04 is releasing at 28th April
[18:31] <tarunno> and they are releasing Sabily 11.04 at 5th May
[18:31] <tarunno> impressive, isn't it?
[18:33] <tarunno> Firefox has a addon
[18:34] <tarunno> for daily prayer time
[18:35] <tarunno> and the soft Sabily use for Prayer alert is Minbar
[18:35] <tuhin> sabily is huge distro :|
[18:35] <tuhin> ok installing minbar
[18:36] <tuhin> i heard ubuntu 11.04 would NOT be LTS ?
[18:36] <tarunno> nope
[18:36] <tarunno> 12.04 will be
[18:36] <tarunno> LTS comes in every 2 years
[18:37] <tarunno> that is Every fourth release is LTS
[18:37] <tuhin> i thought every .04 version is LTS 
[18:38] <tuhin> so 12.04 in april'2012. my Mint10 is supported till that same time
[18:38] <tarunno> no
[18:39] <tarunno> I am not sure about Mint
[18:39] <tuhin> Mint10 is based on maverick ubuntu 10.10
[18:39] <tarunno> but a regular Ubuntu Distro has a official support time of 2 years 
[18:40] <tuhin> what will happen if i try to install packages that i DLed for ubuntu10.10  in ubuntu 11.04 or later?
[18:41] <tarunno> and LTS has 5 years
[18:41] <tarunno> That is the official schedule
[18:41] <tuhin> i have downloaded 2.5GBs of packages in 4-5 month, dont want to DL them again later when i upgrade to latest linux
[18:47] <tarunno> well, many of the packages actually don't update or maintain a update schedule with Ubuntu
[18:47] <tarunno> so, you can install them
[18:47] <tuhin> ok
[18:47] <tarunno> and if there any software have another updated version available in repo 
[18:48] <tarunno> then you can update just those software with update manager later
[18:48] <tuhin> thats  my problem
[18:48] <tarunno> We were thinking about making a offiline DVD repo 
[18:48] <tuhin> i dont like updating too much
[18:48] <tuhin> they release updates evday
[18:48] <tuhin> and it will take all my time  updating
[18:49] <tarunno> with mostly used software
[18:49] <tuhin> for bd users?
[18:49] <tarunno> but later the project git stucked
[18:49] <tarunno> yes
[18:49] <tarunno> for BD users
[18:49] <tarunno> well, in Update there are diff. sorts of updates
[18:50] <tuhin> the linux event of last month gave dvd with popular software
[18:50] <tuhin> they sold for 30 or maybe 50 tk
[18:50] <tarunno> nope that was a diff case
[18:50] <tarunno> that is a customized distro comes with some software preinstalled
[18:50] <tuhin> kazi  attended that event and bought the dvd
[18:51] <tarunno> and we thought about repo on;y
[18:51] <tuhin> u used that dvd?
[18:51] <tuhin> i didn't , i heard from kazi
[18:51] <tarunno> me? you know what, that cusmized dvd idea was another brain child of mine
[18:51] <tuhin> :| and u were not invited there?
[18:52] <tarunno> I share that idea with someone
[18:52] <tarunno> and later he suddenly became the saviour 
[18:52] <tuhin> i bought 1 Ankur Bangla Linux couple years ago , it was very good
[18:52] <tarunno> ha ha ha 
[18:53] <tarunno> no, they reached an invitation to me
[18:53] <tuhin> very bad
[18:53] <tarunno> and I didn't joined by my own choice
[18:53] <tuhin> why ? u were busy?
[18:54] <tarunno> I wouldn't be like used anymore
[18:54] <tuhin> ic
[18:54] <tarunno> yea
[18:54] <tuhin> looks like u got hurt 
[18:54] <tarunno> yes I do
[18:55] <tuhin> how many leaders went seperate way?
[18:55] <tarunno> the main problem is I have misurably failed what I tried to do
[18:56] <tarunno> I tried to unite people under one roof
[18:56] <tuhin> thats what should be done
[18:56] <tarunno> and suddenly I found myself in a position od villain 
[18:56] <tuhin> :|
[18:56] <tarunno> some strated thinking I am kind of spy of others
[18:57] <tarunno> A hates B, B hates both A and C, C doesn't talk much
[18:57] <tarunno> and when I managed to build a good relationship with all A, B and C
[18:58] <tarunno> A thinks, why the hell is he hang out with B too much? 
[18:58] <tarunno> B thinks, okey smarty pants I got your plan
[18:58] <tuhin> lol
[18:59] <tuhin> so all got divided in 4 camps?
[18:59] <tuhin> A, B, C and u in D 
[18:59] <tarunno> now bring me some inside info from A and C then I will believe you
[19:00] <tarunno> me? D? nope
[19:00] <tuhin> lol it sounds like civil war
[19:00] <tarunno> I am ABC
[19:00] <tuhin> u wanted to a+b+c = Linux
[19:00] <tarunno> worse than a civil war
[19:00] <tarunno> it called Community Politics
[19:00] <tuhin> what kind of plan they tried to get of others....
[19:01] <tarunno> and many more people like me abandoned community just for thi
[19:01] <tarunno> this
[19:01] <tuhin> ic
[19:01] <tarunno> but I am bad penny
[19:01] <tuhin> so there is 2 or 3 community now?
[19:02] <tarunno> I comes and goes, back and forth
[19:02] <tarunno> umm, no actually I rather not to prefer 'community' 
[19:02] <tuhin> ok how many camp there now?
[19:02] <tarunno> you can call it 2 ir 3 leaders and their deciples 
[19:03] <tarunno> the general members got biasd and scattered
[19:03] <tuhin> where is their websites?
[19:03] <tarunno> they are so confuse to whom to believe
[19:04] <tarunno> have you ever heard about bdlug?
[19:04] <tuhin> yes
[19:04] <tarunno> they went virtually dead
[19:04] <tuhin> i visited their site long time ago i think
[19:04] <tarunno> then BLUA came 
[19:05] <tarunno> most of the seriors who started BLUA are gone
[19:05] <tuhin> hm
[19:05] <tarunno> russell john passively maintained the website
[19:06] <tarunno> so, that name exsited 
[19:06] <tarunno> then I came
[19:06] <tarunno> I attened Ubuntu Release partied
[19:06] <tarunno> parties
[19:07] <tarunno> and started using it
[19:07] <tarunno> then find myself as a troubleshooter
[19:07] <tarunno> then again Ubuntu-BD and BLUA went into a coma 
[19:07] <tuhin> bdlug is there , it looks like not-newbie-friendly
[19:08] <tarunno> they have a mailing list, but not very active
[19:08] <tuhin> divided all failed
[19:08] <tarunno> When Ubuntu-BD went in coma and I visited Shahriar, who is known as Ashabadi 
[19:09] <tarunno> and found him very very depressed 
[19:09] <tarunno> he is a very dearly to mine
[19:09] <tarunno> his father was just passed away
[19:10] <tarunno> so, I thought why not try to do something to cheer him up
[19:10] <tuhin> never saw him
[19:10] <tarunno> and the idea of Bontu Mintur Adda born
[19:10] <tarunno> which eventually turned into a huge hit
[19:11] <tuhin> so many ups and downs
[19:11] <tarunno> I rather say, the depressed Shariar was the inspiration behind that event
[19:11] <tarunno> yeah
[19:12] <tuhin> bdlug mailing list seems inactive from 2007
[19:12] <tarunno> when we were working for Bontu Mintur Adda in the field
[19:12] <tarunno> many people suddenly poped out with tons of ideas, like do this and do that 
[19:13] <tarunno> and some of them were pretty lame
[19:13] <tarunno> We were working in the field and we knew the situation better
[19:14] <tuhin> i saw the event pics in mint-bd site
[19:14] <tarunno> and as I took the responsibility of that event, I felt I should have the authority too
[19:14] <tuhin> it seemed well organized 
[19:14] <tarunno> because, it that event failed 
[19:15] <tarunno> wveryone was gonna say 'you' have failed it
[19:15] <tarunno> you were incharge
[19:15] <tuhin> yes with authority comes big responsibilities 
[19:15] <tarunno> and those who were bombarding with tons of ideas would filped overnight
[19:16] <tarunno> would wash their hand like 'it was just a suggestion' type of things
[19:17] <tarunno> so, I did took some of their ideas what was achivable and left many of them
[19:17] <tarunno> that made that mad
[19:17] <tuhin> so what idea u disagreed to implement?
[19:17] <tarunno> I don't know, may be jalousy 
[19:18] <tarunno> and I found a strange tone in their voice
[19:18] <tarunno> that I am so autocratic, so rigid, don't care about other's idea etc etc
[19:19] <tarunno> so, I silently quit the scene
[19:19] <tarunno> when that event got hit
[19:19] <tarunno> huge people got interested 
[19:19] <tarunno> BULA upgrade their website
[19:19] <tarunno> and people was like crazy
[19:20] <tarunno> that was a very good time
[19:20] <tarunno> but what happened then
[19:20] <tarunno> that A B C fell apart
[19:20] <tarunno> and within 10 months we are in the same point
[19:21] <tarunno> I rather say, worse than before
[19:21] <tarunno> and again, I am villain
[19:21] <tarunno> now my fault is I abandon the community when it needed mr
[19:21] <tarunno> me*
[19:21] <tarunno> ha ha ha ha 
[19:23] <tarunno> If I do something, I am autocratic, and if I don't do anything, I am irresponsible 
[19:23] <tuhin_> back , what did i miss?
[19:23] <tarunno> how would I know?
 that I am so autocratic, so rigid, don't care about other's idea etc etc
 it sounds like বিরোধীদল mentality
[19:23] <tuhin_> those r the last 2 lines i got/sent
 that I am so autocratic, so rigid, don't care about other's idea etc etc
 so, I silently quit the scene
 when that event got hit
 huge people got interested 
 BULA upgrade their website
 and people was like crazy
 that was a very good time
 but what happened then
 that A B C fell apart
 and within 10 months we are in the same point
 I rather say, worse than before
 and again, I am villain
 now my fault is I abandon the community when it needed mr
 me*
 ha ha ha ha 
 If I do something, I am autocratic, and if I don't do anything, I am irresponsible 
[19:24] <tuhin> hmm 
[19:25] <tuhin> people cant live together in peace it seems
[19:25] <tuhin> people in bd*b
[19:25] <tuhin> thats why there is no prominent linux forum/community
[19:26] <tuhin> i think i saw u in projanmo ?
[19:37] <tarunno> you did
[19:39] <tuhin> ok ,
[19:39] <tuhin> i dont make account i only search and read what others have posted 
[19:40] <tarunno> :)
[19:41] <tuhin> projanmo is becoming new linux community?
[19:41] <tuhin> that site's visitors are good mannered
[19:41] <tuhin> and friendly
[19:44] <tarunno> it's not new, actually it's old one
[19:44] <tarunno> Projanmo and Amaderprojukti 
[19:44] <tarunno> this two forum was the prime place for BD linux lovers
[19:44] <tarunno> in AP 
[19:44] <tuhin> i never looked for Bangla sites actually , Kazi introduced me 
[19:45] <tarunno> we had started several projects 
[19:45] <tarunno> like http://forum.amaderprojukti.com/ubuntuindex
[19:45] <tarunno> and http://forum.amaderprojukti.com/ubuntucd
[19:46] <tarunno> correction http://forum.amaderprojukti.com/ubuntucds
[19:47] <tuhin> nice idea
[19:48] <tuhin> স্ট্যাটাস: অনুগ্রহপূর্বক আমাকে 'techie', 'geek', 'savvy', 'nerd', 'IT expert', 'Linux expert' ইত্যাদি তৈল মর্দিত সম্বোধন করা থেকে বিরত থাকুন
[19:48] <tuhin> LOL
[19:50] <tarunno> u thr?
[19:50] <tuhin> yes
[19:51] <tuhin> did i miss any question?
[19:51] <tuhin> i m looking around  http://forum.amaderprojukti.com/
[19:52] <tarunno> no
[19:53] <tarunno> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-bd/2010-July/006141.html
[19:54] <tarunno> here is the mailing list thread explaining the primary idea of Bontu Mintur Adda
[19:54] <tuhin> i m reading
[19:57] <tuhin> any release party planned for ubuntu 11.04?
[19:58] <tuhin> i liked the T-shirt
[19:58] <tuhin> the black color look lice in those pics
[20:04] <tuhin> ok finished reading
[20:05] <tarunno> no plans declared yet
[20:06] <tarunno> ok, I need to leave now
[20:06] <tarunno> talk to you later
[20:06] <tarunno> goodnight
[20:07] <tuhin> bye
[20:07] <tuhin> good night