[07:00] <micahg> ricotz: hi, PM?
[07:37] <ricotz> micahg, hi, sure
[07:56] <didrocks> good morning
[08:10] <cdbs> didrocks: good morning
[08:10] <didrocks> hey cdbs :)
[08:10] <cdbs> didrocks: unity-preferences seems to be crashing somewhat often
[08:10] <cdbs> (didn't crash in my case, but it seems so, from the crash bugs outta there)
[08:11] <cdbs> didrocks: I guess I understood how its crashing, /me works on a fix
[08:11] <didrocks> cdbs: yeah, I saw that, seems to be a gsettings issue :/
[08:11] <didrocks> cdbs: oh really? nice
[08:11] <cdbs> didrocks: yes, maybe gsettings isn't returning a value which we are expecting
[08:11] <cdbs> didrocks: but that's just a guess
[08:12] <didrocks> cdbs: I can have a look, please focus on bug triage right now ;)
[08:12] <cdbs> didrocks: both :) It takes a long time to bzr branch
[08:12] <cdbs> okay I'll triage it for now
[08:12] <didrocks> gsettings is crashing if the schema isn't installed, I'm wondering if that's not the case there
[08:14] <cdbs> lp timeouts :(
[08:26] <didrocks> cdbs: also, the crash has been reported just once until now
[08:32] <didrocks> cdbs: this crash is a gsettings one FYI, we will poke desrt at UDS
[09:53] <chrisccoulson> it's quiet in here today ;)
[09:54] <chrisccoulson> hi didrocks!
[09:54] <didrocks> hey chrisccoulson!
[09:54] <chrisccoulson> how are you?
[09:55] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: I'm fine, thanks. Taking advantage of the quietness to see what unity bugs should be fixed as a 0day SRU or not
[09:55] <didrocks> and you?
[09:56] <chrisccoulson> i'm pretty tired today. i've been up for most of the night with my sick and very grumpy daughter :(
[09:56] <chrisccoulson> i didn't realise kids got ill so often ;)
[10:01] <huats> morning
[10:49] <cdbs> didrocks: back, as for the 'we will poke desrt at UDS' part, 'we' isn't true, I won't be there :(
[10:49] <didrocks> cdbs: s/we/I then :-)
[10:53] <cdbs> .w 25
[10:53] <cdbs> oops
[14:36] <om26er> Is seb128 on vacation(s) ?
[14:37] <didrocks> om26er: yeah, he pretends he's french but he takes german vacation! :-)
[14:37] <om26er> there is a bug in papyon that we might need to get in before release, bug 768974
[14:37] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 768974 in papyon "papyon doesn't answer server's pings" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/768974
[14:38] <om26er> didrocks, I could work on the backport in the weekend if its not too late in the cycle
[14:38] <om26er> or will this be SRU?
[14:38] <didrocks> om26er: it's too late for the release
[14:39] <om26er> 0day SRU then, didrocks ?
[14:39] <didrocks> om26er: yeah, 0day SRU or short SRU :-)
[14:40] <om26er> didrocks, alright, thx :)
[14:40] <didrocks> yw ;)
[15:11] <rickspencer3> didrocks, good morning, what's the work on the street?
[15:12] <rickspencer3> kenvandine ^ ?
[15:12]  * rickspencer3 thinks about who is still around today
[15:12] <didrocks> rickspencer3: hey, word is nice! nothing scary for now :-)
[15:12] <kenvandine> hey rickspencer3
[15:12] <kenvandine> good morning
[15:12] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, everything is rocking!
[15:12] <rickspencer3> nice
[15:14] <didrocks> rickspencer3: dbarth and I retargeted most of bugs today to get a realistic list for a 0 day SRU and a futur one :-)
[15:14] <rickspencer3> thanks didrocks
[15:15] <rickspencer3> didrocks, did the blacklist for the scrollbars make it into Ubuntu yesterday?
[15:15] <didrocks> rickspencer3: yeah, it did (kenvandine uploaded it)
[15:15] <kenvandine> rickspencer3 there was an updated blacklist
[15:15] <kenvandine> but it didn't include ubiquity
[15:16] <didrocks> kenvandine: oh?
[15:16] <rickspencer3> didrocks, kenvandine said that the scrollbars were still in ubiquity, I thought ubiquity was going to get black listed
[15:16] <kenvandine> no, i never heard ubiquity was supposed to be blacklisted
[15:16] <kenvandine> there was a fix from ev related to scrollbars
[15:16] <kenvandine> in ubiquity
[15:18] <kenvandine>   * Don't ever show scrollbars in the slideshow.  The window growing
[15:18] <kenvandine>     slightly is not ideal, but still better than this. See LP 529201
[15:18] <kenvandine>     for details.
[15:18] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 529201 in ubiquity "ubiquity shows scrollbar in installation slideshow" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/529201
[15:18] <kenvandine> from the changelog
[15:18] <kenvandine> uploaded yesterday
[15:18] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, so there are no scrollbars in Ubiquity, then?
[15:18] <kenvandine> there are
[15:19] <kenvandine> just in different places :)
[15:19] <kenvandine> but they worked fine for me
[15:19] <kenvandine> keyboard selector
[15:19] <kenvandine> i think that is the only one actually
[15:20] <didrocks> kenvandine: there were possible the login selection as well, but I didn't see that from last install
[15:20] <kenvandine> ok
[15:20] <kenvandine> i'll take another pass to double check
[15:26] <rickspencer3> thanks guys
[15:26] <rickspencer3> didrocks, kenvandine we have RC ISOs, to test, so far as I can tell
[15:26] <rickspencer3> so we'll have a couple of days to watch for any non-SRUable problems
[15:26] <rickspencer3> am I understanding that correctly?
[15:27] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, you are correct
[15:27] <didrocks> seems correct to me :-)
[15:36] <mterry> The nightly images seem solid
[15:36] <kenvandine> mterry, see any scrollbar issues in the installer?
[15:54] <mterry> kenvandine, no I didn't
[15:54]  * mterry notices that his xchat notifications aren't coming through
[15:58] <rickspencer3> mterry, good news about the images!
[15:59] <rickspencer3> those could be what we release, although I hear through the grapevine that docs and language packs may be updated
[15:59] <rickspencer3> I don't know if that's real though
[16:02] <dobey> yay, then we can all upgrade to 11.10 and suffer another 6 months of daily updates :)
[16:03] <didrocks> dobey: s/suffer/enjoy :-)
[16:03] <kenvandine> yeah, what didrocks said!
[16:03] <kenvandine> that's the spirit :)
[16:03] <didrocks> let's cross fingers that's the final image though :-)
[16:03] <mterry> dobey, I *love* daily updates.  They are crack to me
[16:03] <didrocks> mterry: that's why you are doing daily backup ;-)
[16:03] <kenvandine> gotta feed that addiction!
[16:04] <mterry> didrocks, heh
[16:04] <kenvandine> haha
[16:04]  * kenvandine is ready to push the first pass at image uploading to gwibber trunk 
[16:04] <kenvandine> let there be crack!
[16:04] <dobey> mterry: do you have a Cirrus Logic video card or somethng? :)
[16:05] <dobey> or Trident maybe?
[16:05] <mterry> dobey, I don't get that.  :)
[16:05] <kenvandine> mterry, you have to learn to "speak dobey"
[16:05] <dobey> mterry: too old school for you?
[16:05] <kenvandine> :)
[16:06] <dobey> since nvidia/ati/intel seem to break every time the kernel or Xorg change, it seems :)
[16:07] <mterry> dobey, I live in the now, the freshest bits possible.  I don't get references older than a week
[16:07] <rickspencer3> seriously, could you imagine if you desktop only update once every six months?
[16:07] <rickspencer3> what would that even be like
[16:07] <rickspencer3> ?
[16:07] <mterry> Ah, well, I just learn to love X breaks.  They are an opportunity to yell at bryceh
[16:07] <dobey> haha
[16:08] <kenvandine> ah, the monday morning Xorg breakage... love it
[16:08] <kenvandine> only happened to me once all cycle though... because i have intel goodness :)
[16:08] <mterry> rickspencer3, jarring probably.  :)  It must be fun to update from one LTS to another.  All sorts of goodies
[16:09] <rickspencer3> oh my
[16:09]  * rickspencer3 boggles
[16:09] <kenvandine> mterry, that would be like christmas
[16:09] <rickspencer3> imagine going 10.04 -> 12.04 on the desktop
[16:09] <kenvandine> imagine the upgrade from lucid?
[16:09] <kenvandine> yeah :)
[16:09] <mterry> "A backup program that makes coffee for me too?  Love it!"
[16:10] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, btw, your "gimme all the images from my feeds" code you have me is working great
[16:10] <kenvandine> great
[16:10] <rickspencer3> I'd love it if I could go images = gwibber.get_images() ;)
[16:10] <kenvandine> i have a branch that posts uploads to imageshack :)
[16:10] <kenvandine> going to add other places too
[16:10] <kenvandine> and let you configure which one to use
[16:11] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, nice
[16:11] <kenvandine> and it lets you drop an image on the gwibber launcher and it uploads and creates a tweet
[16:11] <kenvandine> :)
[16:11] <rickspencer3> I'd love to replace my imgur code with U1, actually
[16:11] <kenvandine> U1 will be one of the choices, i think
[16:11] <rickspencer3> I upload to imgure because it gives me back a url that I can tweet right away
[16:11] <kenvandine> i just need to sort out knowing you are capable of using it and all
[16:11] <rickspencer3> I'd love to do that iwth U1 isntead
[16:11] <kenvandine> which i am sure isn't hard
[16:11] <kenvandine> right
[16:11] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, sounds like gwibber will handle the posting for me?
[16:11] <kenvandine> maybe
[16:12] <rickspencer3> there will be an api for tweeting images?
[16:12] <mterry> kenvandine, knowing you can use U1?  I have some code in Deja Dup that might help, maybe.  Though it's in vala
[16:12] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, yes
[16:12] <kenvandine> mterry, good reference though :)
[16:12] <kenvandine> cool
[16:12] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, there will be an optional arg to Send
[16:12] <kenvandine> for attachment
[16:13] <kenvandine> if you include an attachment we'll handle uploading to the configured service and inserting the url in the post
[16:13] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, can I just include image= in whatever call I make to do a tweet?
[16:13] <kenvandine> perhaps
[16:13]  * rickspencer3 likes *easy* APIs
[16:13] <kenvandine> we'll discuss the API at UDS
[16:13] <rickspencer3> sounds good
[16:13] <kenvandine> i want it to be dirt easy :)
[16:14] <kenvandine> and i don't want you to have to tell the API it is an image or video...
[16:14] <rickspencer3> I prefer APIs where I don't have to assemble a collection of objects together to do something simple
[16:14] <kenvandine> i want gwibber to figure out the type of media and do the right thing
[16:14] <rickspencer3> *cough* TreeView *cough*
[16:14] <kenvandine> i just want you to pass a uri to the media you want to include
[16:14] <dobey> kenvandine: should be pretty easy to do a u1 image poster plug-in for gwibber, in 11.10
[16:15] <rickspencer3> dobey, that would be sweet!
[16:15] <kenvandine> dobey, i would thinks so.. aq and i spent some time a while back drafting an API for that
[16:15] <dobey> actually, it's pretty easy to do in 11.04 even, if you don't mind having the files locally and on the server
[16:16] <kenvandine> dobey, the important thing is getting the url to the image fast
[16:16] <kenvandine> even if it isn't done syncing :)
[16:17] <mterry> kenvandine, run /usr/lib/ubuntuone-client/ubuntuone-login then search in d-feet for com.ubuntuone.Credentials.  That's the API to tell if Ubuntu One is running and if they are logged in
[16:17] <kenvandine> cool
[16:18]  * kenvandine thinks it is pretty slick to drag an image from the files/folders lens and drop it on the gwibber launcher to post :)
[16:18] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, no, you need the syncing done
[16:18] <dobey> kenvandine: yeah. but with a client lib to use the REST API instead, you can just throw it on the server, get the URI, and bypass the syncdaemon bits, and not have to have the folder synchronized to the local machine
[16:18] <rickspencer3> you don't want to tweet a link that is busted
[16:18] <rickspencer3> dobey, is there sample code for that?
[16:18] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, in theory it would only be busted for a matter of seconds
[16:19] <dobey> rickspencer3: not yet, since it doesn't so much exist yet :)
[16:19] <rickspencer3> dobey, can you hack photobomb to replace imgur with U1?
[16:19] <kenvandine> we don't want to block the UI waiting for a file to sync
[16:19] <rickspencer3> oh
[16:19] <rickspencer3> n,
[16:19] <rickspencer3> nm
[16:19] <rickspencer3> I thought you said it would be easy to do in 11.04
[16:19] <kenvandine> not that hard...
[16:19] <kenvandine> but easier in 11.10
[16:19] <kenvandine> in 11.04 you copy a file to a share and call the API to get a link for it
[16:20] <dobey> yeah, in 11.04 you have to use syncdaemon and have a synchronized folder
[16:20] <rickspencer3> oh
[16:20] <kenvandine> i have code to do that already
[16:20] <rickspencer3> so, that sounds a bit hard to program
[16:20] <kenvandine> somewhere
[16:20] <kenvandine> which is why it isn't merged anywhere :)
[16:20] <kenvandine> not good enough
[16:20] <rickspencer3> like, how would you know what folders the user is syncing, etc...
[16:20] <dobey> rickspencer3: well you'd make a folder.
[16:20] <dobey> rickspencer3: like we do for music store.
[16:20] <kenvandine> that is what i did
[16:20] <rickspencer3> like I say "sounds hard to program"
[16:21] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, exactly :)
[16:21] <rickspencer3> that should all be hidden in an API
[16:21] <kenvandine> so if U1 is up to the job in time to get it in gwibber, i'll make it happen :)
[16:21] <dobey> that's what gwibber is for
[16:21] <kenvandine> dobey, i want an easy API too :)
[16:21] <kenvandine> don't make me do all the work for you :)
[16:21] <rickspencer3> gwibber is only use case for that
[16:22] <rickspencer3> a nice feature in LO would be to "send with link" for example
[16:22] <dobey> i mean, os.makedirs() is not that hard to call in python
[16:22] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, i'll look at your imgur code as an example and add that as a second image uploader :)
[16:22] <kenvandine> dobey, but it means you have to understand how U1 works to use the API
[16:22] <kenvandine> we don't want developers to have to know that
[16:23] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, don't worry, the API should be nice in 11.10
[16:47] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, humm, the imgur API limits might hurt for gwibber :/
[16:48] <kenvandine> 50 uploads per hour for anonymous
[16:48] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, then get an api key ;)
[16:48] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, that is with an api key :)
[16:48] <rickspencer3> oh
[16:48] <rickspencer3> oops
[16:48] <kenvandine> but 50 per hour for the key
[16:48] <kenvandine> so they count it like facebook does
[16:48] <rickspencer3> except they tell you what the limits are ;)
[16:48] <kenvandine> but... if we auth users with their own accounts the limits are per user
[16:48] <kenvandine> indeed!
[16:50] <kenvandine> i am sure imageshack has limits too
[16:50] <kenvandine> humm
[17:02] <didrocks> kenvandine: can you try to enable/disable a plugin in ccsm?
[17:02] <didrocks> kenvandine: and tell me if unity still crashes?
[17:02] <kenvandine> didrocks, sure... i love crashing unity :)
[17:03] <didrocks> kenvandine: heh, not as much as gwibber :p
[17:03] <kenvandine> hehe
[17:03] <kenvandine> ok, i enabled and disable the water effect
[17:03] <kenvandine> not crash
[17:03] <didrocks> \o/
[17:03] <kenvandine> oh... scratch that
[17:03] <didrocks> oh?
[17:03] <didrocks> :/
[17:04] <kenvandine> unity didn't crash
[17:04] <kenvandine> but my panel is now just artifacts
[17:04] <kenvandine> black with blue dots
[17:04] <didrocks> yeah, got that with one plugin as well
[17:04] <kenvandine> the launcher seems fine
[17:04] <kenvandine> ok
[17:04] <kenvandine> unity never crashed, launcher works and stuff
[17:05] <didrocks> kenvandine: thanks for confirming, at least, the crash is gone :)
[17:05] <kenvandine> np
[17:05] <kenvandine> weird though... why only the panel?
[17:06] <didrocks> kenvandine: the launcher is repainted completely
[17:06] <kenvandine> ah
[17:06] <didrocks> seems not the panel
[17:06]  * kenvandine kills it
[17:07] <kenvandine> doesn't fix it... weird
[17:07] <kenvandine> brb
[17:07] <didrocks> oh?
[17:07] <didrocks> it fixed it for me
[17:07] <kenvandine> not here
[17:07] <kenvandine> panel restarts but still looks the same
[17:08] <kenvandine> i know it restarts too, i can see everything shift up and then back down
[17:08] <didrocks> hum, interesting
[17:08] <didrocks> seems like an old panel would still be around
[19:23] <kenvandine> chrisccoulson, do you know anything about language packs?
[19:28] <kenvandine> anyone around that knows about language packs?
[19:34] <dobey> kenvandine: i think everyone is looking for eggs for some reason
[19:35] <dobey> never was sure what eggs had to do with zombies though.
[19:43] <mterry> kenvandine, I know a very little, but I am around.
[20:02] <kenvandine> skaet, maybe mterry can be more informative?
[20:04] <mterry> kenvandine, ?
[20:04] <mterry> oh
[20:04] <mterry> ahem, just got disconnected
[20:22] <skaet> mterry,  trying to track down what happened to the language pack updates that pitti was looking at yesterday.   Do you know the names of some of them?
[20:23] <mterry> skaet, nope, sorry.  :-/
[20:23] <mterry> I'm not aware of any last minute changes he was planning
[20:24] <skaet> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/04/21/%23ubuntu-release.txt around 8:00 for the conversation.
[20:26] <skaet> mterry ^
[20:30] <mterry> skaet, well, yah, looks like nothing got through.  might be uploaded and not approved...  You want to know the names?  like language-pack-de for example?
[20:43] <chrisccoulson> kenvandine, what do you need to know?
[20:44] <skaet> mterry,  yeah,  I just want a definite name to see if I can hunt it down in the system.
[20:45] <mterry> skaet, well, that is an example source package name.  language-pack-de, language-pack-es, etc are what I expect him to upload
[20:46] <skaet> mterry,  thanks - will look explicitly for -de, -es and see if I can find signs anywhere.
[20:53] <Tareq> hello there, can anyone tell me, if i can install gnome3 on my lucid?
[20:53]  * skaet not finding signs,   will dig into it later tonight.
[20:59] <charlie-tca> Tareq: you can install from a ppa, after installing, it can not be removed and the system restored without a reinstall
[20:59] <Tareq> oops, then I shouldn't install I guess :(
[20:59] <mterry> Tareq, also, the PPA isn't for Lucid, but Maverick
[21:00] <mterry> Or rather, Natty
[21:00] <Tareq> yeah, I guessed it, that's why asking here without adding the repo :)
[21:00] <charlie-tca> ooops, missed that part, too.
[21:01] <Tareq> so I shouldn't install it on lucid, I don't want mess up with my development environment :(
[21:02] <charlie-tca> yup
[21:03] <Tareq> thanks charlie-tca and mterry :)
[21:03] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[23:41] <Budd> Somehow, my ssh-agent carries a bunch of keys that I didn't explicitly add. Once I add three of my own, ssh logins fail due to too many key failures.
[23:42] <Budd> Also ssh-add -D only erases the keys I added; the others remain. What gives?