[00:02] cjwatson: diagnostic so far is that the .md5sum file isn't even read by ucf, not sure why yet [00:03] * SpamapS wipes the sweat off his brow, checks for any bleeding wounds, then returns to hacking [00:12] stgraber: FYI, cjwatson said he was gone a few hours ago in case you're waiting for a quick answer [00:12] cjwatson: ok, found the issue, it's caused by the fact that we have a lastsum on the system, so the whole .md5sum file is ignored [00:12] micahg: nope, not really hoping for a quick answer :) I'll likely post that in the bug report anyway [00:13] stgraber: k :) [00:41] am i seeing things or is python-ubuntuone-client and ubuntuone-client broke right now w/ unsatisfiable deps [00:43] ahhnm i know what to check, ftb for my arch === sconklin is now known as sconklin-gone === yofel_ is now known as yofel [01:42] skaet: what's the best way to answer the question "is pkg Foo seeded?" [01:43] kees: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/ [01:43] grep through that (perhaps over ssh rather than http) [01:43] kees, its an area I'm still learning about, germinate is what folks use. [01:45] cjwatson: ah, yes, germinate again. how quickly I forget. :) [01:46] (also: make the distinction between "explicitly seeded" and "pulled in by dependency-expansion of seeds") [01:47] well, mostly I'm trying to sort out the mess that is cyrus-sasl2-heimdal. we branched from debian at the wrong time... [01:48] currently cyrus-sasl2-heimdal is uninstallable and ftbfs. it's in universe, but people do use it. [01:49] the rdepends/ directories in germinate-output can tell you why something is wanted in main [01:49] nothing seems to seed it, so that's nice. but to fix it, we need debian's -6 of cyrus-sasl2, and that gets seeded by lots. I suspect this'll need a -proposed update after release. [01:49] they're the answer to many questions in that area [01:50] I'd prefer to keep the term "seeded" for "there's an explicit entry in the seed files kept in bzr for it" [01:50] gotcha [01:51] since that corresponds to the useful concept of "we explicitly decided we wanted this in main regardless of dependencies" (mostly) [01:51] and besides the verb/noun correspondence makes more sense that way :) [02:25] hi, jcc binary on natty needs to be rebuilt. what is the procedure for requesting a rebuild at this stage? [02:26] I guess open a bug and subscribe whom? [02:42] cavedon: open a bug, subscribe ubuntu-release [02:42] sladen, thanks [02:46] cavedon: got the bug number/package name? === bjf is now known as bjf[afk] [03:00] sladen, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jcc/+bug/768733 [03:00] Ubuntu bug 768733 in jcc (Ubuntu) "undefined symbol JNI_GetDefaultJavaVMInitArgs (needs rebuild)" [Undecided,New] [03:06] cavedon: python -m jcc.__main__ "/usr/bin/python: No module named _jcc" that's a different error to what the bug report suggests?> [03:07] cavedon: how can I test the rebuild fixes it? [06:08] Is there any plan about Firefox 4 for Lucid? [06:12] happyaron: no, but maybe 5 or 6 [06:12] happyaron: you can get it now in the PPA, ppa:mozillateam/firefox-stable [06:18] micahg: thanks. I'm using Nighly from ftp.mozilla.org now, which get auto-update everyday. [06:18] happyaron: we have nightlies too, ppa:ubuntu-mozilla-daily/ppa, package is firefox-trunk [06:19] thanks. [07:56] good morning [08:04] anyone have any ideas? i've got a self signed https server . i have 2 systems running natty, that comlain about it, but will let me get the file. [08:04] i have 2 systems running lucid (headless systems, the other 2 are desktops) that simply refuse [08:04] wget says: Unable to establish SSL connection. [08:05] python urllib2 gives: urllib2.URLError: [08:15] slangasek: apparently the u1 package issue went away by itself [08:15] or someone fixed it [08:15] yeah, there was IS fixing involved :) === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [09:12] Riddell: can you approve fglrx in the archive, please? It contains updates to the EULA and to the documentation [09:12] it won't affect the image build since the driver is not installed by default === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [11:29] good morning [13:18] good morning [13:18] @pilot in === udevbot changed the topic of #ubuntu-devel to: Beta-2 released | Archive: final freeze | Development of Ubuntu (not support, not app development) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper -> maverick | #ubuntu-app-devel for application development on Ubuntu | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Patch Pilots: mdeslaur === nijaba_afk is now known as nijaba [14:12] sladen: I took care of jcc. [14:14] tseliot: It's on the Kubuntu DVD so it does affect image building. [14:14] ScottK: ah, I didn't know that [14:16] ScottK: ta [14:31] Anyone know if the system requirements are going to noticably increase if using Unity? [14:35] is there a universal command which can be used to check for presence of installed non-free kernel modules? [14:36] i think apport and reportbug do this but i'm not sure how [14:43] tomreyn, jockey? [14:43] tomreyn, /proc/sys/kernel/tainted [14:44] tomreyn, 0 means no non-free modules [14:46] directhex: that's what i was looking for, thanks. How would I go about identifying which modules are tainting the kernel? [14:47] tomreyn, that's rather more involved ;) [14:48] okay, i'll leave it there for now, that's good enough for my needs. [14:56] tomreyn, try something like for i in `lsmod | tail -n +2 | cut -f1 -d' '`; do if [ -n "$(modinfo $i | grep ^license | grep -v GPL)" ]; then echo $i; fi; done [14:56] i [14:56] tomreyn, this is unsophisticated & will spit out a module which isn't really tainted (e.g. MIT only), and will miss modules which lie to fool the kernel (e.g. "not GPL; Proprietary") [15:01] does anyone have a https server with a self signed cert running on natty ? [15:02] i have a little python based web server, with self signed cert and I can't connect to it from lucid using python or wget (Unable to establish SSL connection.) [15:02] i want to make sure its not a bug in the natty openssl stack [15:04] smoser: what about wget with --no-check-certificate? [15:04] it fails. [15:04] same command succeeds from natty to natty [15:05] both complain about the certificate [15:05] but it gives "Unable to establish ssl connection" when run from lucid -> natty. [15:06] smoser: hmm...interesting [15:06] wait. i might not have been cclear [15:07] server is natty python based self signed cert. [15:07] when client is lucid, wget and python fail [15:07] when client is natty, wget and python both succeed [15:09] smoser: give me a few minutes, I'll set up a natty apache with https and try it [15:12] robbiew, hi, do we know how debdelta compares with google's courgette? [15:12] robbiew, https://sites.google.com/a/chromium.org/dev/developers/design-documents/software-updates-courgette [15:12] mdeslaur: howdy!! Since you are piloting, could you please sponsor bug #768598 please? [15:12] Launchpad bug 768598 in powernap (Ubuntu) "PowerNap does not take recover action in PowerSave mode after powernap-now" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/768598 [15:13] fta: I don't, and tbh would prefer to use something shared by debian === sconklin-gone is now known as sconklin [15:14] robbiew, ok, fair enough. i just has the impression that courgette would be several orders of magnitude smaller [15:14] but i didn't test deltadeb [15:14] RoAkSoAx: sure...I'll have to ask the release team for approval first though [15:16] RoAkSoAx: actually...looks like it's too late for release, so it needs to be an SRU once natty is out [15:17] mdeslaur: Oh, I didn't know that we were already frozen. Thanks though! [15:20] smoser: works for me (twisted ssl server) [15:23] tumbleweed, you have a self signed https server running on natty? and you can connect to it using wget or python from lucid ? [15:23] smoser: with --no-check-certificate yes [15:24] ok. thank you. === bjf[afk] is now known as bjf [15:32] RoAkSoAx and mdeslaur: You can upload to natty-proposed now, although (unless I screw up) it won't get accepted until release. [15:33] No need to wait. [15:34] ScottK: ah! cool, thanks [15:42] RoAkSoAx: I'll upload powernap as a day 0 SRU [15:42] mdeslaur: RoAkSoAx: thanks [15:43] ScottK: cool!! good to know! Thanks [15:43] mdeslaur: awesome! Thank you [15:43] kirkland: wouldn't have even noticed if you wouldn't have pointed it out :) [15:43] RoAkSoAx: i was working with negronjl, showing it off, and it broke for both of us [15:44] kirkland: yeah I don't really know what happened cause I did patch that. I guess I just forgot to commit those 3 lines when changing laptopsg [15:44] kirkland: btw.. how did the tests go? How much energy savings were shown? [15:46] kirkland: btw the issue was only seen when executing powernap-now, cause it wouldn't have come back up with activity or powerwake-now. But other than that everything was working as expected === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk === deryck is now known as deryck[lunch] [16:36] directhex: thanks for the non-free kernel module one-liner :) === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [16:59] @pilot out === udevbot changed the topic of #ubuntu-devel to: Beta-2 released | Archive: final freeze | Development of Ubuntu (not support, not app development) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper -> maverick | #ubuntu-app-devel for application development on Ubuntu | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Patch Pilots: === deryck[lunch] is now known as deryck === beuno is now known as beuno-lunch === jjohansen is now known as jj-afk [17:47] Daviey: about bug 769025, what do we do with it, target it at 'natty-updates'? [17:47] Launchpad bug 769025 in libcgroup (Ubuntu) "package cgroup-bin 0.37.1-1ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed pre-removal script returned error exit status 1" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/769025 [17:53] hallyn: do you know offhand if cgroup-bin still makes suspend fail? [17:56] ohsix: nope [17:57] thatis, i don't know [17:57] i had a fun time figuring it out :] installed it to check it out a few times and thought the failures were from thekernel or something related [17:57] the way it bins threads, kernel and otherwise messes with the ordering of something, at least with the default configuration in cgroup-bin [17:58] i didn't know enough about it (that's why i wnated to mess with it) to offer a fix, and i still don't; shrug [18:02] ohsix: there is an open bug about it right? [18:02] (pretty sure i saw one before) [18:02] if i get through some other bugs, i may try to reproduce here [18:02] yea i think i filed one after i found out & closed the bug i reported for the suspend [18:03] one moment [18:04] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libcgroup/+bug/713187 [18:04] Ubuntu bug 713187 in libcgroup (Ubuntu) "cgroup-bin default configuration breaks suspend" [Undecided,New] [18:18] ohsix: thanks === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk === jj-afk is now known as jjohansen === beuno-lunch is now known as beuno [18:37] barry: I think Bug #768363 is python2.7 related. I was wondering if you could have a look. [18:37] Launchpad bug 768363 in software-properties (Ubuntu) "Not able to change software origins in software-properties-kde - TypeError: coercing to Unicode: need string or buffer, NoneType found" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/768363 === Claudinux_ is now known as Claudinux === cnd_vac is now known as cnd === cnd is now known as cnd_vac === ivoks is now known as [J === [J is now known as ivoks [19:45] can someone approve the lucid/maverick nominations on bug #663001 please? [19:45] Launchpad bug 663001 in libubuntuone trunk "My Downloads page shows incorrect status for songs with some non-English characters" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/663001 [20:11] I updated this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pygtk/+bug/664920 with ubuntu sponsors so that it can be backported but i am wondering if there is anything else i should do? [20:11] Ubuntu bug 664920 in pygtk (Ubuntu) "100% CPU usage when calling a child process from a python script" [Undecided,Confirmed] === bjf is now known as bjf[afk] [20:38] ohsix: actually, i think libcgroup may no longer stop suspend from working. It's not placing tasks in any child cgroups for me by default [20:39] ohsix: that's not to say you can't write a config to make it do so. (nor that i'm just wrong about my conclusion) [20:39] did the config remove the default groupings? [20:39] right, the config it came with in mav was what was moving things [20:40] ok - we still might want to teach libcgroup explicitly not to move kthreadd, but by default maybe it won't mess people up [20:40] hallyn, That package is universe, and unseeded by flavours as far as i can see. Therefore, natty pocket makes sense still. [20:41] it might be more than kthreadd, at least with respect to suspend, but since it's bad to do it's probably prudent [20:41] ohsix: right [20:41] Daviey: are you saying go ahead and dput? [20:41] hallyn, Final freeze for universe/multiverse is 26th. [20:42] hallyn, Yes, i would. [20:42] Daviey: cool, then i just have to find someone who's not on vacation who can sponsor :) [20:42] SpamapS: around? [20:42] hallyn, linky, i can [20:42] finding [20:42] hallyn, Vacation is for wuffos. [20:44] Daviey: the source (minus .orig.tar.gz) is at http://people.canonical.com/~serge/libcgroup_0.37.1-1ubuntu2-package.tgz. bzr tree is linked to the bug which is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libcgroup/+bug/769025 [20:44] Ubuntu bug 769025 in libcgroup (Ubuntu) "package cgroup-bin 0.37.1-1ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed pre-removal script returned error exit status 1" [Medium,Confirmed] [20:44] Daviey: i could do with a week vacation with no laptop available [20:44] hallyn, so bzr branch is suitable for review? [20:44] yup [20:44] want me to do merge request? [20:44] hallyn, I get shaky hands if i haen't checked my email for an hour. [20:44] hallyn, sure, go for it. [20:45] merge proposal sent [20:46] yeah i used to be that way. i might still be. wouldn't know, bc it hasn't happened :) [20:46] hallyn, what about https://code.launchpad.net/~serge-hallyn/ubuntu/natty/libcgroup/upstart ? [20:47] Daviey: that's merged [20:47] well upstart2 was [20:48] it was a long road :) [20:48] hallyn, does that mean bug 681724 is fix released? [20:48] Launchpad bug 681724 in libcgroup (Ubuntu) "cgroup-bin package installs with errors (failure to parse /etc/cgconfig.conf)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/681724 [20:49] Daviey: i forgot all about that one! Yes, it is. we're now mounting under /sys/fs/cgroup/ [20:50] looks like we licked 5 or 6 bugs with the last-minute release. and so far only created one new one :) [20:50] * hallyn ^5s jbernard [20:50] hallyn, Okay, looking at the merge proposal now.. Could you copy the debian/changelog entry that fixed that bug into a comment, and change the status to Fix Released please? [20:51] a comment on that bug you mean, right? [20:52] done [20:52] ta === bjf[afk] is now known as bjf [21:21] mdke: ubuntu-docs firefox-index still references Ubuntu 10.10, I filed a bug against ubuntu-docs a couple weeks ago [21:22] micahg: does firefox still use that these days? I thought it was all handled internally by now [21:23] mdke: firefox doesn't, but midori does and I think maybe others [21:23] micahg: I can fix it now but don't know if the upload will be accepted [21:23] SRU material now unless you can get a fix uploaded in the next 15 minutes. [21:23] mdke: would you rather me fix the midori home page? [21:24] We have a Ubiquity fix that's about to go in, so I can take a trivial fix if it's quick. [21:24] mdke: ugh, it's seeded, I'll see if I can fix midori and the other browsers instead [21:25] it's fairly easy SRU material though [21:26] ScottK: I will try a gnome-user-docs upload in the next 15, as I have some help for mobile broadband that I'd like to get onto the images if at all possible [21:26] Hurry. Just accepted Ubiquity. [21:26] mdke: ok, if you want to SRU the ubuntu-docs change, that'll probably be easier, then we can fix the other browsers for oneiric [21:28] ScottK: will depend how long it takes to build. Testing is straightforward [21:28] Let's see how he does with my deadline for getting it in -release first .... [21:28] OK [21:30] mdke: It looks like you've got a little longer, there's some buildd backlog and I doubt Ubiquity will make the next publisher run. [21:30] ScottK: splendid, my laptop is a bit slow at building :) [21:30] So don't dawdle, but better to take a little extra time to get it right than to push it by a given moment. [21:31] noted [21:31] how much longer are we talking? [21:59] ScottK: uploaded [22:06] Looking [22:07] mdke: Accepted. [22:08] ScottK: a million thanks [22:08] or hugs [22:08] You're welcome. [22:08] * ScottK prefers thanks in whisky. [22:09] ScottK: taken Riddell's linguistic preferences to heart? [22:09] I figure he's in a position to be authoritative on the matter. [22:11] ScottK: noted [22:11] mdke: You coming to UDS again? [22:12] ScottK: I'm afraid not. In fact, I've never been to one [22:12] :( [22:12] Ah. Too bad then. [22:12] difficult to get away from work [22:35] how on earth do I get &*^_&N to quit thinking that because the window bumps in to the top of the screen when I move it that I for some inexplicable reason want a full screen version of it? === robbiew is now known as robbiew_ [22:52] go in ccsm and disable the grid plugin [22:54] or Grid -> Edges -> Resize Actions -> Top Edge = None [22:54] (also in ccsm) === tomreyn_ is now known as tomreyn === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates