[00:57] <skaet> ubuntu-desktop i386, amd64, amd64+mac images published for smoke test purposes
[00:58] <skaet> full set of builds has started now, images should be emerging through the evening.
[01:00] <skaet> jibel_, ^^
[01:01] <Samsagax> nice
[01:11] <charlie-tca> Congratulations, new Ubuntu Member skaet
[01:13] <skaet> Thank you charlie-tca :)
[01:17] <highvoltage> well you deserve it
[01:19] <charlie-tca> +1
[01:19]  * charlie-tca had to tell everyone, too
[01:21] <highvoltage> heh
[01:25] <Samsagax> mhh i had a question
[01:26] <Samsagax> I need some advice: anyone knows about progress in hybrid-graphics?
[01:32] <charlie-tca> jibel_: want a hardware smoke test on desktop 64?
[02:08] <charlie-tca> Memtest is back, too
[02:09] <charlie-tca> clarify:  MemTest is working on the desktop cd today
[02:27] <skaet> charlie-tca, smoke test on desktop 64 is most welcome at this point.   thanks.
[02:27] <skaet> xubuntu daily-live amd64 i386 posted
[02:27] <charlie-tca> running both virtualbox and hardware checks
[02:28] <skaet> ubuntu headless omap3 & omap4 posted
[03:49] <charlie-tca> guided partitioning with more than one hard drive does not offer the ability to resize either drive. It picks one.
[03:50] <charlie-tca> It does not even the one with the most space, that I can tell.
[03:53] <highvoltage> charlie-tca: what does it do with the other one? nothing?
[03:54] <charlie-tca> yup
[03:54] <charlie-tca> I have two drives, it selects sdb to resize
[03:54] <charlie-tca> sda does not show up in the list at all
[03:54] <charlie-tca> It did this for beta2 also
[03:57] <charlie-tca> It splits my 26gb partition instead of the 40gb on sda
[04:42] <skaet> edubuntu i386, amd64 posted
[04:44] <skaet> highvoltage, stgraber ^^
[04:56] <charlie-tca> I don't see any showstoppers; ran installs for Ubuntu and xubuntu 32bit and 64bit desktop images.
[04:56] <charlie-tca> I am going to bed now
[04:56] <skaet> thanks charlie-tca
[04:56] <skaet> I'm heading in myself.
[04:56] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[04:58] <skaet> ubuntu netbook omap3/omap4 on the tracker now
[04:58] <skaet> kubuntu mobile i386 on the tracker as well
[06:11] <stgraber> skaet: cool, I'll download and test tomorrow
[13:20] <charlie-tca> I show both 20110422 and 20110422.1 for Xubuntu desktop today. Which one is correct to test?
[13:29] <jibel> charlie-tca, .1, the tracker is not updated, the image was published when I was having lunch. doing it now.
[13:29] <charlie-tca> thanks, jibel . syncing images here
[13:30] <jibel> charlie-tca, yw. tracker is correct now.
[15:15] <skaet> jibel, charlie-tca - there wasn't any uploads between 22 and 22.1 for xubuntu,  so results from 22 should be valid for 22.1
[15:16] <jibel> charlie-tca, I can move the results from 22 to 22.1 if you wish
[15:16] <charlie-tca> zsync gave a 10% difference in the images for desktop
[15:16] <jibel> charlie-tca, because the bits are not at the same place on the iso ? if that makes sense
[15:17] <skaet> charlie-tca,   interesting.   I started the xubuntu off manually just before the cron job kicked in.
[15:17] <charlie-tca> weird
[15:17]  * skaet nods
[15:18] <charlie-tca> jibel: let's just run all the tests again. It was only two tests on each, and one was live session
[15:19] <jibel> charlie-tca, do you reproduce bug 737792 ?
[15:19] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 737792 in unity (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "compiz crashed with SIGABRT in Glib::exception_handlers_invoke() (affects: 164) (dups: 59) (heat: 969)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/737792
[15:20] <charlie-tca> I got no crashes
[15:20] <charlie-tca> yet
[15:21] <charlie-tca> I will need to try the screen-reader install to see if it is there, but I didn't think it crashed for beta2, even.
[15:22] <charlie-tca> I never saw the crash last night. I ran both desktop images on hardware, too
[15:23] <charlie-tca> jibel: I even tried every launcher last night, to see if anything crashed
[15:27] <jibel> charlie-tca, okay, thanks.
[15:29] <jibel> charlie-tca, I did a screen reader install and it's really broken. it reads frm_liveinstaller, btn_forward, ... all the symbolic names of the widgets.
[15:29] <charlie-tca> not good
[15:29] <charlie-tca> We put in a patch to fix that, I will have to find out what happened to it
[15:32] <jibel> charlie-tca, technically that's because ubiquity routinely set the atk_name of the widget to the value taken from the glade file. I think that's used to test ubiquity and be independant of the language but that breaks the a11y devices.
[15:34] <charlie-tca> so we are going to not have an accessibile install again
[15:39] <ScottK> Sounds like a good UDS topic though.
[15:39] <charlie-tca> It was at the last UDS. unfortunately, most of the accessibility stuff for Natty has been postponed to at least 11.10
[15:40] <ScottK> They won't be rewriting the desktop this next cycle, so I suspect the odds are better.
[15:40] <charlie-tca> We were assured, no two ways about it, accessibility was top priority, until it comes down to actually doing it
[15:41] <ScottK> Unfortunately at this point for Natty, what's done is done.
[15:44] <charlie-tca> Unfortunately, I heard that too many times in this cycle
[15:45] <charlie-tca> Oh, well, there is another turn coming up!
[15:46] <charlie-tca> for the time accessibility was actually given, we did pretty good
[15:52] <Samsagax> //b
[16:49] <fader_> Hmm, is it intentional that I can no longer type in the "mount point" combobox in the ubiquity manual partitioner?
[16:49] <fader_> The dropdown works and I can type in the partition size spinbox, just not in the 'mount point' box
[16:53] <xdatap> jibel, hello
[16:55] <charlie-tca> fader_: I haven't tried typing the mount points for a while now.
[16:55] <fader_> charlie-tca: I filed bug 769043 about it
[16:55] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 769043 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Cannot manually specify a mount point in the manual partitoner (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/769043
[16:56] <fader_> I know it worked in 10.10, because I use that functionality :)
[16:57] <xdatap> hggdh, hello
[16:57] <charlie-tca> I used to use it, now I install mostly from the alternate images for my own systems
[16:58] <hggdh> xdatap: hello
[16:58] <jibel> xdatap, hello
[16:59] <xdatap> hggdh, may I rise your attention to a bug a guy in the Italian Team just succeeded in reproducing with today's image. It's the bug #557261
[16:59] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 557261 in casper (Ubuntu) "The session live persistent with USB don't start, error in the prompt initramfs (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/557261
[16:59] <xdatap> hggdh, it looks like problematic to me, and the guy just uploaded the required logs (he had problem in recovering it)
[16:59] <hggdh> looking at it
[17:00] <xdatap> hggdh, thank you :)
[17:00] <jibel> xdatap, yup, it's on release team's radar and someone from foundation will look at it.
[17:00] <xdatap> jibel, great. Just to be sure
[17:00] <xdatap> jibel, are you coming next uds, right?
[17:00] <jibel> xdatap, are you able to reproduce ?
[17:01] <xdatap> jibel, not me but the guy in the team yes. It looks like hardware related
[17:01] <xdatap> jibel, I mentored him for getting the logs from the live session
[17:04] <hggdh> xdatap: the dmesg.txt does not show the boot process -- but it does show a series of radeon OOPSes
[17:05] <xdatap> hggdh, so, the problem looks like related to the video card
[17:06] <jibel> looks like a bug in the kernel
[17:06] <hggdh> xdatap: it may, I do not know -- casper.log shows, at the end, that mounting /dev/sdc1 could not be mounted
[17:06] <hggdh> I am also tending to kernel bug right now...
[17:07] <hggdh> but we really need the initial dmseg, we do not even know if the OOPSes are cause or consequence
[17:07] <jibel> xdatap, and the output of lspci -vvnn
[17:08] <hggdh> might be worth trying to boot in text mode to see what happens
[17:09] <xdatap> hggdh, if may be useful, this is the "mount" done in the same system booted with the working partition: http://paste.ubuntu.com/597483/
[17:10] <xdatap> hggdh, sdc1 is the usb stick with the image
[17:11] <xdatap> jibel, hggdh ok, to recap, it's needed the "lspci -vvnn" and a test with a text boot, right?
[17:21] <hggdh> xdatap: yes. Also, please make sure that all dmesg is collected, there may be more than one dmesg* file under /var/log
[17:21] <xdatap> hggdh, ok
[17:22] <xdatap> hggdh, thanks. I'll see you in Budapest?
[17:26] <hggdh> xdatap: I hope so :-)
[17:27] <xdatap> hggdh, great, looking forward to it :) I gotta go, bye bye!
[17:45] <JasonO> Hello. I am a new Desktop tester. Do I have to wait for new applications to be tested since Natty will be released next week?
[17:45] <JasonO> Does that make sense?
[17:47] <charlie-tca> Nope
[17:47] <charlie-tca> you can download todays images and test them
[17:47] <charlie-tca> !dai
[17:47] <ubot4> Factoid 'dai' not found
[17:48] <charlie-tca> We use the images specified on the iso testing tracker at
[17:48] <charlie-tca> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[17:48] <charlie-tca> by clicking the cd, you can download the image, by clicking the square at each test, you get a written test case we run
[17:49] <charlie-tca> and, you can test the applications if you desire
[17:49] <charlie-tca> JasonO: welcome to testing!
[17:50] <JasonO> charlie-tca Thank you. What do you recommend? iso or applications?
[17:50] <JasonO> I could not install the natty beat 2 in virtual box a couple of weeks ago.
[17:50] <charlie-tca> We are smoke testing iso's today.
[17:51] <charlie-tca> Feel free to test applications if you want to. It is always good to know what fails to work
[17:51] <charlie-tca> VirtualBox can be tricky to make work.
[17:51] <JasonO> What does that mean? Smoke testing.
[17:51] <charlie-tca> especially with unity
[17:51] <charlie-tca> smoke testing means we want to check that the images actually install
[17:52] <JasonO> Not within VB but within the whole system?
[17:52] <charlie-tca> We will try as many types of partitioning and installations as we can to make sure that is working
[17:52] <charlie-tca> both
[17:52] <charlie-tca> Hardware and VirtualBox
[17:52] <charlie-tca> but VBox is tricky with unity, since you don't get 3d right off, until you install guest additions
[17:54] <JasonO> So what desktop.qa.ubuntu.com for? JUst Natty? I'm on Maverick.
[17:55] <charlie-tca> yes, for the next version. Our main objective is to test that everything works before we give the cd to the general public.
[17:56] <charlie-tca> If it doesn't work, we want to find the bugs, so when someone says it fails, we might be able to give a workaround, or at least let them know it is known.
[17:56] <JasonO> Alright. So it is okey if I test the applications ie: Nautilus on Maverick and report a bug if it exists? Or wait until Natty arrives to upgrade then test?
[17:57] <charlie-tca> You can test most of natty applications in maverick
[17:57] <charlie-tca> It is always to report the bugs, but our tests are in natty
[17:57] <JasonO> So I should upgrade to Natty early?
[17:57] <charlie-tca> The versions of applications in natty are mostly newer than the versions in maverick. So if nautilus fails in maverick, it may already be fixed in natty
[17:58] <JasonO> I understand.
[17:58] <charlie-tca> either upgrade or test in virtualbox, which works fine for the applications
[17:58] <charlie-tca> Nautilus in unity and nautilus in classic-desktop of natty is still nautilus in natty
[17:59] <JasonO> I have 512MB of memory and 2.6 Ghz. The iso I have of natty beta 2 will not let me do a live preview. Do you think it will install?
[18:00] <charlie-tca> nope
[18:00] <charlie-tca> try the daily image from today
[18:00] <charlie-tca> !daily
[18:00] <ubot4> Daily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[18:00] <charlie-tca> see if it will work
[18:01] <JasonO> Okey, thanks very much. On my connetion it will take two hours or less.
[18:07] <charlie-tca> lunch time
[18:08] <charlie-tca> jibel: I ran both upgrades and alternates this week and they did work. barring big changes, they should be fine for Xubuntu
[21:10] <jibel> charlie-tca, I confirm, both xubuntu upgrades succeeded.
[21:11] <charlie-tca> Thanks, I have the 64bit running here too
[21:11] <charlie-tca> My connection is just really slow again
[22:57] <rob0917> is ubuntu 11.04 beta discussed here ?
[22:59] <micahg> rob0917: this channel is more about ISO testing, what specifically do you want to discuss?
[23:01] <rob0917> I was wondering if I could upgrade to final release version on april 28th from the 11.04 beta 2
[23:14] <ScottK> You can.
[23:19] <micahg> ScottK: missed him
[23:19] <ScottK> Meh.  OK.
[23:36] <JasonO> charlie-tca Had to download the iso a second time because the first did not save. Now the VM is giving me: [344.965242] piix4_smbus 0000:00:07.0: SMBus base address uninitialized - upgrade BIOS or use force_addr=0xaddr