[00:41] <Deithrian> kaffeine
[00:41] <Deithrian> wooops
[02:27] <drc> clear
[05:24] <lostson> so how impressed are we all gonna be with xubuntu 11.04
[06:00] <bazhang> lostson, #ubuntu+1 for natty please
[06:01] <lostson> wow really ?
[06:10] <gnewb> How do I prune,shorten and or remove log files?
[06:11] <gnewb> Is that a CLI /call?
[07:46] <ArisVer> How do i register my nick?
[07:46] <bazhang> !register | ArisVer
[07:47] <ArisVer> In this channel? Or the freenode net?
[07:47] <bazhang> #freenode
[10:48] <ArisVer> is there a memtest on 10.04lts?
[10:51] <TheSheep> afaik memtest is on every install cd
[10:53] <knome> yes
[10:57] <ArisVer> thanx, i used usb btw.
[12:59] <psalden> do I need to relog or so in order for the theme manager to recognize the newly placed theme properly
[12:59] <psalden> it seems right now only the gtk part is recognized
[12:59] <psalden> (can't just try and relog atm as I'm doing a huge download :P)
[13:00] <Sysi> window manager theme is set from window manager settings
[13:02] <Sysi> metacity or emerald themes dont work with xfwm
[13:03] <psalden> well yeah... thing is the themes apparently have a part for gtk+2 and xfwm4... it recognizes only themes with a gtk+2 dir and then applies like half of the theme, so I figured it's not recognizing the xfwm4 part
[13:03] <psalden> oh right, a different sppot in settings :)
[13:05] <Sysi> you are maybe missing some gtk-engine if themes don't work properly
[13:05] <psalden> nah I found out by your first statement... I need to apply the windows manager themes elsewhere, 'appearance' is not enough
[13:05] <psalden> so thanks :)
[13:05] <Sysi> np
[13:09] <psalden> damn, some of these themes are ugly :P
[13:11] <charlie-tca> Don t try Wildbrush
[13:11] <charlie-tca> It will cause your system to not log in to the desktop
[13:49] <Me_crying> bah cum se comporta xubuntu ?
[13:50] <TheSheep> !es
[13:50] <Me_crying> xubuntu work good ?
[13:50] <TheSheep> excellent
[13:50] <Me_crying> Hostname self-lookup failed.
[13:51] <Me_crying> how resolve this problem?
[13:51] <Me_crying> the psybnc work fine
[13:51] <Me_crying> i try run eggdrop
[13:51] <Me_crying> and tell me Hostname self-lookup failed.
[13:52] <TheSheep> I would ask on #eggdrop
[13:53] <TheSheep> looks like you have to configure it first
[13:53] <Me_crying> the eggdrop is settup correct
[13:53] <Me_crying> but something from shell not right
[13:53] <TheSheep> Me_crying: I found this, but can't understand it well: http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/free/2007/10/02/%23ubuntu-it.html
[13:54] <TheSheep> Me_crying: (look for 'self-lookup' on that page)
[13:54] <Me_crying> oke il visit now
[13:54] <TheSheep> Me_crying: http://www.egghelp.org/faq.htm#114
[13:54] <Me_crying> i knwo that he say i know italiano
[13:54] <Me_crying> ok
[14:06] <Me_crying> ok
[14:07] <Me_crying> i resolve problem  my brain was modified hostname on shell. now put it back and work great ok 10.x
[15:13] <nykur> hello, is this where one might find some xubuntu help?
[15:14] <charlie-tca> yes
[15:14] <charlie-tca> Please ask your question all in one line. All of us are volunteers and will attempt to answer if we know.
[15:15] <nykur> nice, I was wondering about my update manager in natty, getting hash sum mismatch on the repositories. Haven't added any new though.
[15:25] <nykur> here is my error message at pastebin: http://pastebin.com/cqXdRKWH
[15:27] <charlie-tca> everything is updating pretty quick for natty, since we are trying to build final candidate images. I suspect you happened to hit right during a mirror update
[15:27] <charlie-tca> I would try again
[15:27] <nykur> my connection is fine and I have tried disabling and re-enabling repos. Also tried different servers
[15:27] <nykur> I had this yesterday as well
[15:28] <charlie-tca> getting it right now?
[15:28] <nykur> hang on...
[15:29] <nykur> charlie-tca: yes getting the same error now.
[15:30] <nykur> have the keys gotten messed up maybe?
[15:32] <charlie-tca> no, I think the mirror is out of date/in the middle of trying to sync. I use us.archive.ubuntu.com and it is fine
[15:32] <charlie-tca> Yours is is.archive.ubuntu.com and appears to be failing
[15:32] <nykur> I tried both my icelandic mirror and the main server, same results.
[15:32] <nykur> should i try the us one for now?
[15:33] <charlie-tca> weird, maybe the key is messed up, somehow
[15:33] <charlie-tca> sure, try the us one, just to see if that is it
[15:33] <nykur> must be, what's the cmmand agin to reimport it?
[15:36] <charlie-tca> sure, ask me that. I don't know the name. I change my lists manually in /etc/apt/sources.list
[15:36] <charlie-tca> !sources
[15:37] <charlie-tca> does that tell?
[15:44] <nykur> charlie-tca: Changing to .us from .is seems to have solved this, will use that mirror until .is has been synced. Thanks:-)
[15:44] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[15:55] <scannie> hi. i'm running xubuntu beta on a netbook... i installed maximus so i get maximized-windows with no titlebar, it works great. however, when i close firefox and open it again, it gets maximized but with the titlebar. if unmaximize it and maximize it back again the titlebar gets removed as it should... any advice?
[15:57] <asfoz> hi. i'd like to install xubuntu 11.04 beta 2. will i have a lot of packages to upgrade after April 28 (xubuntu 11.04 stable comes out)
[15:58] <asfoz> ?
[15:58] <asfoz> and, after upgrade, my system will be clean as "normal" installation of 11.04-stable?
[16:07] <charlie-tca> If you install 11.04 daily, there will not be a lot of packages to upgrade and it will be clean
[16:08] <charlie-tca> !daily
[16:15] <asfoz> you mean http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily/current/ ;)
[16:15] <asfoz> ok, thanks for this information
[16:16] <asfoz> btw. xubuntu natty daily iso is 623MB, compared to beta2 684MB....
[16:16] <asfoz> they have throw out something?
[16:17] <charlie-tca> As changes are made, sizes change.
[16:17] <charlie-tca> If it is really important, you should check each image file by file for the differences, maybe.
[16:19] <charlie-tca> there have been about 100 or more changes a day since beta2, those are reflected in the final cd
[16:28] <asfoz> charlie-tca: nice, that's much. how do you personally think- will it be a lot of changes with these 5-6 days?
[16:29] <charlie-tca> If you install beta2, you should have more than 300 changes to upgrade
[16:29] <charlie-tca> if you install the daily image, there are no changes today
[16:30] <asfoz> yes I'm getting todays iso
[16:30] <asfoz> well, we will see when final release comes out.
[16:30] <charlie-tca> I would expect a couple of hours of upgrades with beta2 right now
[16:30] <charlie-tca> today's image may be the final image
[16:31] <charlie-tca> (may*
[16:31] <charlie-tca> * * may * * ; it is subject to change, of course.
[16:31] <asfoz> I just can't wait for that- have work to do. I'll install today's daily iso and just upgrade to final, if there will be any changes, as you say.
[16:32] <asfoz> yeah.
[16:53] <jrmy> ok ive got lucid i think its called how do i make it use my sound card and not my onboard?
[16:54] <jrmy> 10.04
[16:54] <jrmy> its obviously not a simple fix..
[16:55] <jrmy> and i guess even though you choose a sound card in alsamixer it doesnt actually pick the sound card.. which is working properly from what i can tell seeing as i can see it in the mixer
[16:56] <jrmy> i remember in ubuntu that you could select your soundcards idk why thats not a program in xubuntu
[16:58] <asfoz> just rmmod module for onboard card?
[16:58] <charlie-tca> then you should be able to use the same application in Xubuntu to select it
[17:07] <jrmy> but what if i want to use my onboard again?
[17:07] <jrmy> i dont liek that option
[17:09] <asfoz> charlie-tca: thanks for your help. going now to do a clean install
[17:09] <asfoz> see you around later
[17:09] <jrmy> or were you talking to me?
[17:15] <MK``> Hi guys is it possible for me to run the xubuntu desktop without restarting or closing other programs? Like, some terminal command to open it and close my current one?
[17:15] <charlie-tca> MK``: to start it, xfdesktop
[17:16] <charlie-tca> I don't know the command to close the one you have now, perhaps try task manager to kill it?
[17:16] <MK``> what do I kill though, metacity? gnome-session?
[17:17] <charlie-tca> What are you running?
[17:17] <MK``> normal ubuntu :)
[17:19] <charlie-tca> ouch
[17:19] <charlie-tca> I don't think you can then
[17:20] <charlie-tca> you have to replace compiz and unity with xfwm4 and xfdesktop
[17:20] <charlie-tca> I don't think it can be done without applications restarting
[17:20] <MK``> ok
[17:20] <MK``> lemme try it on another terminal
[17:21] <MK``> I am using gnome shell, not unity, btw
[17:25] <MK``> xfwm4 --replace properly replaced the window manager
[17:37] <MK``> well that was painful
[17:38] <MK``> I closed metacity and couldn't type, had to hack around and start it in this terminal from another
[17:38] <charlie-tca> from what I have seen, anuytho
[17:38] <charlie-tca> changing anything after gnome 3 is painful... got to reinstall just to remove it
[17:40] <MK``> well, I learned a lot :) how to disable and reenable window managers, just not desktop environments :P
[17:48] <pteague_work> any ideas as to how gmusicbrowser stores it's data?
[17:55] <drc> Nope, but it has a channel here #gmusicbrowser, and the dev is <usually> hanging out there.
[17:56] <pteague_work> k, thanks
[18:51] <theboywithtorn> So I pulled out my old toshiba laptop. It has a xubuntu 6.10 on it and the update manager doesn't upgrade and there is no cd drive on it anymore, so I need to upgrade manually.  Anyone willing to help me with this?
[18:52] <Sysi> how much ram does it have?
[18:54] <theboywithtorn> according to free, I have 154mb
[18:57] <Sysi> i would say not worth trying to get anything running with that
[18:59] <theboywithtorn> yeah I thought so, I think its best to run DSL on this instead. Thanks for the help anyways!
[19:51] <MK``> is there a difference in the files on cdimage.ubuntu.com and cdimages.ubuntu.com ?... or are the URLs both just an alias for another location
[19:55] <charlie-tca> both are the same place
[19:55] <charlie-tca> Near as I can tell, they are the same server
[19:55] <MK``> Alright thanks. It seems it also has internal aliases
[19:55] <MK``> like, releases/lucid/release is the same as releases/10.04/release, etc.
[19:55] <charlie-tca> yes
[19:56] <charlie-tca> so that whichever one you are used to, you get the right image
[19:57] <MK``> Alright, thanks
[19:57] <MK``> wanted to make sure I got the right disk images and md5sums
[19:59] <MK``> rather, I think lucid/ maps to 10.04.2/ :P
[20:51] <Thermi> gn8
[21:34] <arand> Anyone care to test the patch in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-session/+bug/711571 ?
[21:44] <charlie-tca> Can anyone reliably reproduce the bug. I see it about one in 15 installs
[21:45] <charlie-tca> I have seen it enough to say, yes, it exists. I just can't make it happen reliably enough to say if it gets fixed or not.
[21:45]  * charlie-tca is asking in #xubuntu-devel too.
[21:46] <charlie-tca> arand: I see this thing lately on my upgrade tests in 64bit. It will about 3 hours to complete, but if it shows, I will test the patch
[21:48] <arand> Ok, I had someone in #ubuntu+1 pointing it out, since it was a simple thing to pull down the patch I jumped on it.
[21:48] <arand> I don't have a system to test on though..
[21:49] <charlie-tca> I have systems, I just can't get it happen often
[21:50] <charlie-tca> workaround is easy, too. Just logout and restart/shutdown from gdm
[21:51] <arand> Ok, hmm, upstream seemed to indicate it happening on logout as well, my wording in the changelog might not be completely accurate then..
[21:51] <charlie-tca> I saw jeromeg's note that he had a fix for it, though.
[21:51] <charlie-tca> We only see it on reboot and shutdown
[21:51] <arand> I madea debdiff of http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfdesktop/commit/?id=bf07cc01b5457067303bdfad93433def548b6172
[21:52] <charlie-tca> but if I can reproduce the issue, I can try the patch. It just doesn't happen often for me.
[21:52] <charlie-tca> On my main machine, running natty since alpha1, it happens every two or three weeks
[21:52] <arand> Always a pain :/
[21:53] <charlie-tca> yup, but hard to then say it works
[21:54] <arand> I think the guy I spoke to had it happening more often, he had to run ut will hopefully be around to test it..
[21:54] <charlie-tca> All it does when it hits is log the user out. You are left at the GDM screen, and just have to click the shutdown icon there
[21:55] <charlie-tca> That would be good. I did thirty some installs for beta2 tests, and saw this issue one time
[21:57] <arand> Hmm, it seems rather different from other reports: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=684188 https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=115507 http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=361571
[21:58] <charlie-tca> I read those, and each one describes the same thing, reboot or shutdown results in sending the user to the login screen, where they can then shutdown or restart from.
[22:01] <arand> Hmm, the redhat one does, yea, but then again it claims it's happening consistently, and there seems to be yet some systems where it doesn't happen at all..
[22:02] <charlie-tca> yup
[22:03] <charlie-tca> but the workaround is so simple, it might be a zero-day sru if we can get it tested
[22:04] <arand> No chance to get it in before release by now then?
[22:04] <charlie-tca> I don't know if we can get a freeze exception for it
[22:04] <charlie-tca> wait, universe is not frozen yet, is it?
[22:05] <arand> I have no idea.
[22:05] <charlie-tca> I don't think we are, so, yes, there is a possibility
[22:05] <charlie-tca> main is frozen now, but universe is not yet
[22:33] <xubuntu452> hi everyone, I'm just instulling Xubuntu
[22:51] <f1assistance> will there be a 11.04 Xubuntu also released on the 28th or will it come later?
[22:53] <charlie-tca> it will be the same time as Ubuntu 11.04 releases
[23:16] <f1assistance> thanks!