[00:00] <lifeless> except
[00:00] <lifeless> thats a gravatar logo
[00:00] <lifeless> not a gravatar source
[00:00] <magcius> Right.
[00:00] <magcius> GravatarLogo extends from GravatarSource
[00:00] <magcius> which implements IGravatarSource
[00:00] <magcius> Does zope not check the MRO?
[00:00] <lifeless> try adding both the concrete classes to the zcml
[00:01] <magcius> Either way, it's a good thing to try.
[00:01] <magcius> Thanks.
[00:01]  * magcius is a bit disgusted at how long "make run" takes
[00:01] <lifeless> ditto :)
[00:01] <magcius> You don't have a process where it will re-load changed classes with inotify or something?
[00:02] <lifeless> thats horribly unreliable in python
[00:02] <magcius> paste does it
[00:02] <lifeless> particularly when you have class references outside the module
[00:02] <magcius> but yeah
[00:02] <magcius> reload() is terrible, I know
[00:02] <magcius> AttributeError: 'EmailAddress' object has no attribute 'lower'
[00:02] <magcius> grah
[00:02] <lifeless> doing it and doing it reliably are entirely different things :)
[00:04] <magcius> sure
[00:04] <magcius> but does bin/compiletemplates need to be run every time?
[00:04] <lifeless> I'm not sure
[00:04] <magcius> do I really need to start that xmlrpc server?
[00:04] <lifeless> optimising this is pretty low on the pile
[00:04] <lifeless> the xmlrpc service is free timewise
[00:04] <lifeless> its just another listener
[00:05] <magcius> meh, I'm not sure what's taking up time before the DEBUG OH NOES
[00:05] <magcius> warning
[00:06] <magcius> and the HTTP server starting
[00:06] <lifeless> zcml
[00:06] <magcius> yay zope
[00:06] <magcius> you looked into grok?
[00:07] <lifeless> aware of it
[00:07] <lifeless> lp's code base priorities are getting performance in shape (which is mainly destroying the assumption that objects are cheap - a deeply held zope assumption); then test performance
[00:08] <lifeless> the other stuff
[00:33] <lifeless> win -stable message links +date based sorting - https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/736012
[00:33] <_mup_> Bug #736012: Person:+mailinglist-moderate timeout <timeout> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/736012 >
[00:35] <lifeless> [this is a good thing, stable links were asked for a lot]
[00:47] <LPCIBot> Project windmill build #211: STILL FAILING in 1 hr 5 min: https://lpci.wedontsleep.org/job/windmill/211/
[00:47] <magcius> gah, gravatar is stupid
[00:47] <magcius> and they don't have a bug tracker
[00:48] <magcius> they strip all "@" from the default URL for some stupid reason
[00:54] <lifeless> heh
[00:54] <lifeless> personally I don't like gravatar *because* its the same avatar everywhere
[00:56] <magcius> I like that.
[00:56] <magcius> Because then I only have to change it *once*.
[00:56] <lifeless> if you want the same one all over
[00:56] <lifeless> which I don't
[00:56] <lifeless> I want close friends to see a photo
[00:57] <lifeless> colleagues to *perhaps*
[00:57] <lifeless> folk I game with to see a game related brag
[00:57] <lifeless> folk in the open source community to see something stylised
[00:57] <lifeless> and everyone else to not see anything at all
[00:58] <magcius> there's people not in the open source community?
[00:58] <lifeless> huge swathes of em :)
[00:58] <lifeless> google have done some research into the overlap of communities and social networks; it suggests that desires like mine may be very very common
[05:01] <LPCIBot> Project windmill build #212: STILL FAILING in 1 hr 4 min: https://lpci.wedontsleep.org/job/windmill/212/
[09:17] <LPCIBot> Project windmill build #213: STILL FAILING in 1 hr 5 min: https://lpci.wedontsleep.org/job/windmill/213/
[20:18] <LPCIBot> Project windmill build #214: STILL FAILING in 1 hr 5 min: https://lpci.wedontsleep.org/job/windmill/214/
[23:15] <cr3> is there a way to re-upload a package to my ppa with the same version? I tried deleting my package from the ppa yesterday and uploaded it again today, but I get: " uploaded version has different contents". I'm surprised Launchpad keeps a history of uploaded version of deleted packages for such a long time
[23:35] <lifeless> its deliberate
[23:35] <lifeless> perhaps misguided
[23:35] <lifeless> but apt archive *clients* cannot be assumed to not have the package
[23:35] <lifeless> and have no invalidate-this-version protocol