[00:00] <perscitus> Belial`,  'desktop'?
[00:00] <torchie> and I sent the odt to someone and they had trouble figuring out how to open it in word unlike on the library computers where the default file association is word
[00:00] <Belial`> perscitus, there'
[00:00] <torchie> hmm or was the file extension dof
[00:00] <torchie> odf*
[00:00] <penguin42> torchie: I've never tried opening an od[tf] in word
[00:00] <Belial`> perscitus, there's a setting in dconf-editor that lets you change it from "automatic", "desktop", and "netbook."
[00:01] <torchie> hmm abiword launches fast
[00:01] <lcb> perscitus, well... having that menu would avoid much of what you are complaining ;)
[00:01] <torchie> penguin42: it actually doesn't work too badly
[00:01] <torchie> better than the LO-docx went that's for sure
[00:01] <torchie> but still, any formatting issue in transition from LO to another suite is mostly unacceptable
[00:02] <sebsebseb> Hi
[00:02] <penguin42> torchie: Problem is it requires both ends to actually agree and that almost never happens
[00:02] <torchie> then SUFFFEEEEER
[00:02] <torchie> ubuntu needs to get the trifecta on lock
[00:03]  * penguin42 can only hope that the LO get closer than the OOO guys - but it really is a hard problem to solve
[00:03] <torchie> office, netflix, itunes
[00:03] <perscitus> lcb,  menu should be in unity
[00:03] <perscitus> Belial`,  cant find it
[00:03] <sebsebseb> torchie: oh what's going on here? I just joined
[00:03] <Belial`> perscitus, you have to install dconf-tools and then run dconf-editor
[00:03] <torchie> oh we we were just quarrelling over interface design
[00:04] <torchie> and now office suites heh
[00:04] <lcb> perscitus, i agree, i believe the apps in there should be like gnome's
[00:04] <sebsebseb> Unity is well okish I guess, but Ubuntu should have gone with Gnome Shell by default really :)
[00:04] <torchie> id like to try gnome shell
[00:04] <penguin42> if unity was stable I think I'd prefer that becausewhat gs have done to workspaces
[00:05] <perscitus> Gnome3 should be option in 11.10
[00:05] <perscitus> to install
[00:05] <sebsebseb> torchie: you can try a Live CD from http://gnome3.org personally I haven't had much luck with those,  you can also install the  Gnome 3 ppa into Ubuntu 11.04, which I tried to do, but uhmm well did slightly wrong, so instead got a cross between Gnome 2 and Gnome 3, which I am quite annoying at the moment actsaulley.  and I know where I went wrong as well
[00:06] <torchie> !!!!!
[00:06] <yofel> anyone else getting gnome-shell crashes after installing the PPA? I don't actually need it so not urgent, just wondering
[00:06] <torchie> abiword supports times new roman!
[00:06] <torchie> but
[00:06] <torchie> the
[00:06] <lcb> perscitus, you are far ahead :o
[00:06] <torchie> hanging indents
[00:06] <torchie> are so odd
[00:06] <torchie> I dunno about this
[00:07] <lcb> perscitus, i'm still with 11.04
[00:07] <lcb> :p
[00:07] <perscitus> lcb, They are killing classic for 11.10,   I would rather prefer to use gnome3
[00:07] <perscitus> since most of FOSS will use it.
[00:07] <lcb> 11.04
[00:08] <lcb> 10-10 -> 11.04
[00:08] <lcb> 2010, april
[00:08] <torchie> oy
[00:08] <lcb> 2011, i mean
[00:08] <sebsebseb> torchie: oh another option to try Gnome Shell would be that latest Fedora test day ISO
[00:08] <perscitus> Belial`,  Where is it
[00:08] <torchie> maybe I should bite the bullet and virtualize an entire windows machine to run word
[00:09] <Belial`> perscitus, i think it's under desktop and then unity
[00:09] <Belial`> then look to the right once you click on unity
[00:09] <penguin42> torchie: I'e used crossover office before for word
[00:09] <sebsebseb> perscitus: Unity vs well loads of other distros with Gnome Shell by default, with some eventauly Unity as an option in repo's,  oh things are going to get interesting I guess :D
[00:09] <lcb> perscitus, no need to look for it, comes by default ' dconf-editor '
[00:10] <yofel> lcb: no, it's not installed by default
[00:10] <lcb> yofel, i'm running 1st time last beta w/ updates, and it is :o
[00:10] <lcb> just installed
[00:10] <perscitus> sebsebseb,  Its what I hate about FOSS. Too many different projects and no one can agree  to work together
[00:10] <yofel> lcb: it's in universe, so it can't be installed by default
[00:10] <perscitus> sebsebseb,  The world too.
[00:11] <yofel> if it is that's a bug
[00:11] <sebsebseb> perscitus: Yeah Newer is not alwasy better, depensd on user and hardware
[00:11] <lcb> yofel, i installed beta2 then update/grades without touching sources.list then
[00:11] <perscitus> sebsebseb,  I would kill all WMs and make one unified WM
[00:11] <yofel> lcb: well, it wasn't installed here, so maybe you installed something that recommended it?
[00:12] <lcb> yofel, no, as i said, is a fresh install. i only installed chromium and xchat
[00:12] <sebsebseb> perscitus: in fact ok some issues so far when it came to me trying to try out the latest Gnome Shell's in various ways, but uhmm,  I really like a old version of Gnome Shell still :)  that's about a year old or so now.  from what I seen of latest on sites, I am a bit hmm, doesn't seem to offer me any proper later interface features really, but well  Gnome 3.2 should be much better so :)
[00:12] <yofel> lcb: odd then
[00:12] <sebsebseb> perscitus: also I still quite like Gnome 2 :)
[00:12] <torchie> perscitus: google already did it
[00:13] <perscitus> sebsebseb,  Gnome 3.6 will really kickbutt
[00:13] <perscitus> torchie,  no they didnt
[00:13] <torchie> sure they did!
[00:13] <sebsebseb> perscitus: yeah 3.6 will proabably quite impressive, or uhmm hopefuly anwyay
[00:13] <perscitus> sebsebseb,  was gnome 3.6 to subtle for you?
[00:13] <torchie> does android use kde? gnome? xfce?
[00:13] <KM0201> lol
[00:14] <KM0201> it uses fluxbox
[00:14] <sebsebseb> torchie: none of them, it uses it's own stuff
[00:14] <torchie> exactly
[00:14] <sebsebseb> KM0201: your joking?
[00:14] <torchie> and now it's the most successful linux distribution
[00:14] <KM0201> sebsebseb: of course i am.. :)
[00:14] <sebsebseb> torchie: depends on how you look at success, in some ways it is, in others it really isn't
[00:14]  * KM0201 wonders though... whats wrong with Fluxbox
[00:14] <lcb> yofel, i decided to do it again, on this particular machine, because i'm having problems with 2 monitors, 1 on top of each other. still.. doesn't work as it should. and a lot of crashes while dragging windows. (with this monitors congiguration)
[00:14] <socomm> torchie: i think they use propietary shell
[00:15] <sebsebseb> torchie: if you are talking about market share then sure I guess it's got the most,  if your talking about a distro with quite  a lot of users who have some sort of idea what freesoftware/opensource is about,  then well Android is quite the feailure I guess, since most users are just consumers  of the product,  and will use it like a toaster or a micorwave
[00:15] <torchie> every unix and unix like that's had or gotten close to moderate market success in consumer computing used a proprietary shell
[00:16] <torchie> well yeah, from a standpoint of what freedom in software actually means, android is quite the travesty
[00:17]  * penguin42 hasn't tried but I'm curious about WebOS
[00:17] <kahrytan> Belial`,  whats thet 'desktop' supposed to do?
[00:17] <kahrytan> the*
[00:17] <Belial`> it makes it so it doesn't use fullscreen
[00:17] <sebsebseb> torchie: Unity is going to get pretty popular I guess,  even though there are a few uhmm well technical issues really, and you know what I am reffering to or you don't, but from a user perspective well sure it's kind of interesting, and it's another choice
[00:17] <torchie> webos is beautiful
[00:18] <kahrytan> Belial`,  uh, it still uses 3/4 of the screen
[00:18] <Belial`> that's weird. it uses less for me.
[00:18] <Belial`> a lot less than that.
[00:18]  * socomm dislikes unity
[00:18] <torchie> especially in 2.1.0 where they added hardware acceleration to the launcher
[00:18] <torchie> iphone smoooooth
[00:18] <sebsebseb> torchie: however in some ways Canonical are starting to do certain things mroe like propritary software companies,  but well there goal is big market share,  so I guess they have to in certain ways really,  Unity is another example of this though in my opinion
[00:19] <torchie> yeah I imagine canonical moving to more and more things developed in-house
[00:19] <torchie> I sort of cross my fingers for a day where there's a Canonical Computer and they go up against the fruit company in large scale vertically integrated machines
[00:19] <torchie> and not just
[00:19] <torchie> system76
[00:20] <kahrytan> Belial`,  in your search, ever find anything that doesnt move titlebar to panel?
[00:22] <Belial`> kahrytan, you mean when maximized or all the time?
[00:24] <kahrytan> maximized
[00:24] <Belial`> i haven't really checked into that.
[00:24] <Belial`> i kind of like that feature.
[00:24] <kahrytan> i dont
[00:24] <Belial`> but i don't maximize often.
[00:24] <kahrytan> i killed appmenu already
[00:24] <arand> Anyone on xubuntu care to test the patch in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-session/+bug/711571 ? (If you are seeing the bug of course.)
[00:24] <kahrytan> Mostly because it only works in mouseover
[00:24] <lcb> poor appmenu
[00:25] <lcb> killer
[00:25] <Belial`> kahrytan, appmenu is kind of confusing for new users. they should have it there all the time if they're going to use it instead of having to mouse over the panel.
[00:25] <kahrytan> If appmenu was on all the time, i wouldnt have uninstalled
[00:25] <Belial`> i'm back on elementary right now which is based on 10.10
[00:26] <Belial`> and it runs so much faster than 11.04
[00:26] <kahrytan> I feel its redundant to have panel and titlebar so what App/Window you are using
[00:26] <Belial`> but then again, it's pretty stripped down
[00:26] <kahrytan> Is Elementary going to use gnome3?
[00:26] <kahrytan> or unity?
[00:28] <sebsebseb> kahrytan: I think ElementaryOS will be Gnome 2 for quite a while yet
[00:29] <IanWizard> A year ago, we hit 2000 on release day.
[00:29]  * IanWizard wonders what we'll get this year.
[00:30] <kahrytan> Why do people worry about vertical space? Are they scared of scrolling?
[00:30] <arand> my guess is about the same, but there will be horrible flamewars and bannings galore :/
[00:31] <IanWizard> kahrytan, oh yes, quite.  like spiders, and the DARK!
[00:31] <kahrytan> I dont care about vertical space
[00:31] <kahrytan> i want my horizontal space. its harder to scroll sideways
[00:33] <kahrytan> i bet no one uses Window shade in gnome
[00:35]  * KM0201 doesn't know what window shade is.. :)
[00:35] <kahrytan> Who wants to take bets, how long  til we see Ubuntu 11.04 with Gnome3?
[00:36] <Belial`> i'll take a bet that it won't happen.
[00:36] <kahrytan> KM0201,   It shades window into titlebar.All you get is the titlebar in the end.
[00:36] <Belial`> 11.04 is frozen
[00:36] <torchie> that'd be silly
[00:36] <KM0201> kahrytan: well, you can install gnome-shell.. but gnome3 isn't gonna be implemented in 11.04, it will be in 11.10
[00:36] <torchie> 11.04 is coming out in like 3 seconds
[00:36] <KM0201> torchie: lol, 3 seconds?
[00:37] <torchie> like
[00:37] <torchie> 3 seconds
[00:37] <kahrytan> KM0201,  I didnt hear anyone say Gnome3 will be optional in 11.10
[00:37]  * kahrytan has headach trying to fix unity visual features.
[00:38] <KM0201> kahrytan: yes, it will.. its been mentinoed here numerous times... and i don't think its gonna be optional, it'll be the default GUI.
[00:40] <kahrytan> KM0201, Unity is default
[00:40] <KM0201> kahrytan: in 11.04
[00:40] <KM0201> you seem to have an issue differentiating between 11.04 and 11.10
[00:40] <kahrytan> KM0201,  they aint gonna drop unity default
[00:40] <KM0201> ok.
[00:41] <kahrytan> clicking ubuntu logo in 11.04 is pointless
[00:42] <kahrytan> http://askubuntu.com/questions/25789/is-there-a-way-to-remove-maximized-window-controls-title-from-top-panel-in-unity
[00:43] <kahrytan>  looks like im not alone in this quest
[00:45] <kahrytan> KM0201,  There is 13k results for Unity sucks in google for the past month
[00:45]  * KM0201 sighs...
[00:45] <kahrytan> and its gonna climb in May
[00:45] <KM0201> kahrytan: when kde3 first came out, there were probably about the same number of "KDE3 sucks" hits..
[00:45] <torchie> grr i hate change
[00:46] <torchie> how dare people do new things
[00:46] <kahrytan> KM0201,  Thats mostly cuz it was slow.
[00:46] <torchie> i mad
[00:46] <torchie> iMad
[00:46] <penguin42> KM0201: Well I doubt it, when KDE4 came out there was - and it did! But a few years later here I am switching to it from Gnome!
[00:46] <KM0201> kahrytan: my point is, its going to take time to work out the bugs.. saying it sucks right now, and will suck in the future, is just silly
[00:46] <KM0201> penguin42: i meant kde4.. typo
[00:46] <kahrytan> KM0201,  its not about the bugs.
[00:46] <penguin42> KM0201: It's taken many years to fix though - and it's still not as nice to use
[00:47] <kahrytan> penguin42,  I hate amarok
[00:48] <kahrytan> By 11.10, Unity can  not be customized the way I WANT IT then screw Unity.
[00:48] <kahrytan> that includes moving dock
[00:49] <rww> How to not nerdrage on Linux: 1) Use things you like. 2) Don't use things you don't like. 3) ??? 4) less hate!
[00:49] <sebsebseb> rww: heh, except sometimes people try out things they know they won't particualrly like, me for example
[00:50] <rww> sebsebseb: That's fine. Getting all worked up about it isn't really :\
[00:50] <kahrytan> I try things, I try to customize it, and if i still dont like it as is,  I say screw it.
[00:50] <sebsebseb> kahrytan: oh the link you gave not gone on, but read the url, anyway in reply to that, or how about this one :D  is there a way to move the buttons to the right in Unity?
[00:51] <sebsebseb> oh and have in the minimise maximise and close order of course :)
[00:51] <sebsebseb> and seriously I think I would look Unity a bit more if I could do the above ^
[00:52] <sebsebseb> like not look, above, stupid typo
[00:52] <kahrytan> sebsebseb,  its not moving buttons
[00:52] <sebsebseb> kahrytan: I know
[00:53] <kahrytan> sebsebseb,  buttons can be moved. just like 10.10
[00:53] <sebsebseb> ok how is that done then?
[00:54] <kahrytan> in gconf
[00:54] <sebsebseb> uhmm that's for Gnome 2 panel though, I don't think that works with Unity?
[00:54] <kahrytan> its metacity.
[00:55] <sebsebseb> ok well worth a try, when I bother to re install,  with the final.  As mentioned here earlier, I installed the GNome 3 ppa wrongly and I know where I went wrong, so currently got a cross between Gnome 2 and Gnome 3 and well quite annoying it
[00:56] <penguin42> sebsebseb: I think when I did it I went through and listed the gnome packages I had and tried to make sure I installed as many of the 3.x ones as I could
[00:56] <sebsebseb> penguin42: I looked for offical instructions, didn't really have any luck
[00:56] <penguin42> sebsebseb: You found some instructions?
[00:56] <sebsebseb> penguin42: so went with what a site said, well what a comment said, and apprnatly  me running the dist-upgrade command messed things up in my case, according to a guy, and I was thinking at the time, surely I don't need to dist-upgrade, but still did so
[00:56] <kahrytan> sebsebseb,  It's metacity gconf option.
[00:57] <sebsebseb> penguin42: it was my fourth re install of Beta 2, and so it was doing the system updates, and Gnome 3 all at the same  time, using dist-upgrade command, and yeah things didn't really go as they should have
[00:58] <sebsebseb> penguin42: apparnatly if I had gone with the normal update command, I would have probably been ok
[00:58] <kahrytan> What instructions?
[00:59] <kahrytan> my only issue with gnome3 is the theme
[01:00] <sebsebseb> penguin42: kahrytan http://www.unixmen.com/linux-tutorials/linux-distributions/linux-distributions4-ubuntu/1625-how-to-install-gnome3-in-ubuntu-1104-natty-via-ppa
[01:00] <sebsebseb> http://www.unixmen.com/linux-tutorials/linux-distributions/linux-distributions4-ubuntu/1625-how-to-install-gnome3-in-ubuntu-1104-natty-via-ppa
[01:00] <sebsebseb> so anyway yeah as I already knew, when it came to commands, don't trust sort of random sites 100% :D
[01:01] <sebsebseb> or I should say unoffical sites don't just trust them 100%,  but following the insturcutions on omgubuntu for the Unity 2D ppa for example, worked out really well for me
[01:01] <kahrytan> sebsebseb,  probably easier on 10.10
[01:02] <sebsebseb> penguin42: Anyway I assume, installing the Gnome 3 ppa and well having it working properly, means it replaces Gnome 2?
[01:02] <kahrytan> yeah. Cuz you change the gnome-session
[01:03] <sebsebseb> also on that site it says to run a command for gnome-session which I tried to do, but woudn't work
[01:03] <kahrytan> sebsebseb,  You can purge a ppa
[01:04] <sebsebseb> kahrytan: yeah I know I can remove the ppa, but
[01:04] <kahrytan> http://askubuntu.com/questions/22946/how-do-i-install-the-latest-version-of-gnome-3
[01:05] <sebsebseb> I think i'll just wait untill the 30th or whenever I bother to do the final, because I am liking this cross between Gnome 2 and Gnome 3 that I am currently running anyway really at the moment,  and the plan was to clean install with the final later on anyway
[01:07] <kahrytan> sebsebseb,  when i tried gnome3 last time, i wasnt in Unity
[01:07] <sebsebseb> I even had the fall back mode the proper one working once I think after the ppa, but in that case something happended.  and I know Unity is broke from the GDM log in screen, but probably still works really, and that a fix is apparantly coming for this.
[01:08] <kahrytan> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1603874
[01:12] <sebsebseb> kahrytan: ok thanks for the forum link not that useful though.  Also the jhbuild originally I was going to do that in another distro, but then gave up on the idea, after well trying to get that working, but I also knew at the time that I was doing something wrong, and then uh.
[01:13] <sebsebseb> kahrytan: probably easier to do in Ubuntu though, but I guess most people doing Gnome Shell in 11.04 go with the ppa
[01:14] <kahrytan> yeah
[01:15] <lucas_> hello! is anyone here having duplicates entries in synaptic sources?
[01:15] <sebsebseb> kahrytan: as for askubuntu well that didn't come to mind, to look on the new help site, so thanks for the link :)
[01:17] <kahrytan> sebsebseb,  did you try f15 first?
[01:20] <SudoKing> is there a countdown anywhere to the final release?
[01:20] <kahrytan> yes
[01:20] <sebsebseb> kahrytan: well  first ever Gnome Shell's I had running was back in 2010,  with Mandriva 2010.1  and then was a little update,  still got that  old Gnome Shell on another computer in  Mandriva 2010.2 :).  then later on some sort of Fedora rawhide CD from  Januarey worked fine from the CD with my computer,  but then well versions  after that I have had issues trying to get running,  on this computer and the other.
[01:20] <bazhang> !schedule
[01:20] <kahrytan> bazhang,  he said countdown
[01:21] <bazhang> 4/28
[01:21] <bazhang> 5 days
[01:21] <kahrytan> SudoKing, http://www.ubuntu.com/community/countdown
[01:22] <kahrytan> sebsebseb,  you use kde?
[01:22] <sebsebseb> kahrytan: so distro doesn't really matter that much to me right now for GNome 3, I just want to give it a try :)  latest version. so yeah hopefuly the Ubuntu 11.04 PPA when I try to do that again, will work out :)
[01:23] <kahrytan> sebsebseb,  try fedora 15 live with gnome3. on gnome site
[01:24] <sebsebseb> kahrytan: already tried those, no luck,  both the OpenSuse and Fedora based.  I  know there is of course the Fedora 15 beta now though, and a test day ISO, which might work hmm.  oh and if you want to general chat, such as asking me if I use KDE, well ok sure, that's one thing pm can be used for.  I mean it would be off topic in here really.
[01:26] <rjian> can anyone help my desktop im using ubuntu 11.04 here is the screenshot ofmy desktop http://tinypic.com/r/263kcqq/7
[01:27] <penguin42> rjian: Looks like a graphics driver problem to me
[01:27] <sebsebseb> rjian: ok what's wrong? you got the  Gnome 2 fallback instead of Unity, by the looks of it
[01:28] <rjian> how to fix it guys?
[01:28] <penguin42> sebsebseb: The stuff down the left side looks like graphics corruption to me
[01:28] <sebsebseb> penguin42: oh yeah ok I didn't see the screenshot properly
[01:29] <sebsebseb> rjian: yeah looks like a graphids card/driver issue
[01:29] <sebsebseb> what card you got?
[01:30] <rjian> sebsebseb, i dont know how to look here in ubuntu.. actually ive just install the compiz the config it then that error came out and i dont know how to fix it.. :(
[01:34] <rjian> sebsebseb,  its 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation N10 Family Integrated Graphics Con
[01:34] <rjian> troller
[01:35] <kj4ohh> hello
[01:36] <kj4ohh> I am having a problem with trying to install 11.04 beta 2
[01:36] <kj4ohh> I have an ATI video card and when I boot the live cd (usb stick) I get a blank screen
[01:36] <sebsebseb> penguin42: do Intel cards even need a driver for Unity?  as far as I know they don't for Gnome Shell :)
[01:36] <nicofs> Is  there someone who can help me with a rootstock error? It tells me, that there is no space left - which just can't be... log: http://pastebin.com/JkbA5U31
[01:36] <kj4ohh> if I try to use the "nomodeset" option it drops to a shell
[01:37] <perscitus> They should change xchat to join #ubuntu+1 on alpha/beta releases and not #ubuntu
[01:37] <kj4ohh> I looked at x.org.0.log and it seems to try every ati driver and each one says there are screens but no usable configuration
[01:37] <penguin42> sebsebseb: Most intel drivers just work with Unity (sans bugs of which there are a few) - although I think Unity doesn't want to bother with some of the lower spec cards
[01:38] <sebsebseb> rjian: I think Unity should pretty much just work for you, but uhmmm  the GNome Shell interface for Gnome 3 probably does for example.   Unity and Gnome Shell being similar in certain ways, and quite differnet in other ways.
[01:39] <rjian> sebsebseb, can i reset it back? because if i use it to Ubuntu the i dont have the gnome panel..
[01:39] <sebsebseb> penguin42: are we meant to be recommending ppa's in this channel at the moment for 11.04,  Gnome 3 and Unity 2D I mean, uh well I guess  maybe so
[01:40] <penguin42> sebsebseb: Not sure, certainly if someone asks for it I don't see any harm in telling them where it is with a big scary warning that it'll break stuff
[01:40] <sebsebseb> rjian: if you install from the Gnome 2 ppa, you can't just log into Unity 3D or Unity 2D (if you get that from the ppa)  from the log in screen, but I think they may still be there and working.  I think this issue is going to be fixed for the 11.04 final
[01:41] <sebsebseb> rjian: Gnome 3 not Gnome 2 ppa above
[01:41] <rjian> so i will wait for the final before i can fix it?
[01:42] <sebsebseb> rjian: you could try the Unity 2D ppa,  it has worked well for me,  it's not offically supported at the moment though, but uhmm  I got a very similar experience to Unity 3D.  only thing is with the dock down the left,  I coudn't auto hide it like the 3D version for example,  but if you want to get an idea for how Unity is like, then this is one way to do so :)
[01:43] <rjian> sebsebseb, ok wait.. ill try to restart my unit..
[01:44] <sebsebseb> rjian: as for Gnome 3 and  it's new interface, totally worth trying out,  and the nice safe way to try without effecting your system, would be form a Live CD of course.  there's a OpenSuse based one that should work quite well with your Intel card,  and a Fedora based for example http://gnome3.org
[01:44] <hdrodman> anyone have any luck installing the citrix receiver on natty?
[01:45] <perscitus> sebsebseb,  Ubuntu Live 11.04 doesnt work with my system very well
[01:46] <sebsebseb> rjian: oh and I should give you this link really I guess  http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/01/unity-2d-gets-a-ppa/
[01:46] <sebsebseb> !details | perscitus
[01:47] <penguin42> right, bed time
[01:47] <perscitus> sebsebseb,  Something is wrong with the OSS ATI driver. or combination of monitor and oss driver for ati
[01:48] <perscitus> trying to install g3  again
[01:49] <sebsebseb> perscitus: this factoid might be useful
[01:49] <sebsebseb> !ati | perscitus
[01:49] <sebsebseb> perscitus: however 11.04 uses a new Xorg as useual, but I think that version has had a lot of changes since say the version of xorg that 10.10 uses
[01:49] <sebsebseb> not sure realy, but I think the xorg in 11.04 may be a major release of it
[01:50] <sebsebseb> and well people have had issues here and there with ATI cards and Linux distro's for well years now
[01:50] <perscitus> sebsebseb,  i think its my monitor
[01:51] <perscitus> sebsebseb,  for the past 2 years, Ubuntu splash has never worked right.
[01:51] <sebsebseb> splash
[01:51] <sebsebseb> ?
[01:53] <rjian> sebsebseb, still have the black on left.. :(
[01:54] <sebsebseb> rjian: with what? Unity 2D?
[01:55] <rjian> sebsebseb, ive install the unity 2d already and change it to Ubuntu the panel on the left side is black
[01:55] <sebsebseb> rjian: by the way there will be another way you can try Unity, altough it is Unity 2D
[01:55] <sebsebseb> in fact you can try from  a web browser once the release comes out
[01:55] <sebsebseb> of 11.04
[01:57] <rjian> sebsebseb, is it possible to reset back to 10.10?
[01:58] <sebsebseb> !downgrade | rjian
[01:58] <rjian> sebsebseb, aw ok.. i think i have to reinstall it back
[01:59] <kj4ohh> any ideas on how to fix blank screen on beta 2 live cd for ATI cards?  I've tried nomodeselect option as well, but all I get then is a drop to the shell
[02:00] <sebsebseb> kj4ohh: no, but uhmm you should see the fall back Gnome 2, if you don't get Unity, really
[02:00] <sebsebseb> (Gnome 2 with Ubuntu specific changes to be more exact)
[02:00] <kj4ohh> but I can't even get to the install, haven't tried alternate cd yet
[02:00] <frewsxcv> yes i know i know i shouldn't have, but i installed gnome 3, but i switched back to unity. the only problem is in unity the top bar is the wrong color. how do i get it back ot the corrrect color
[02:01] <sebsebseb> !md5sum | kj4ohh
[02:01] <sebsebseb> !hashes | kj4ohh
[02:01] <sebsebseb> frewsxcv: what colour?
[02:01]  * sebsebseb likes the top bar in Unity being a colour that isn't black,  when FIrefox is open.
[02:02] <sebsebseb> frewsxcv: you can change the colou of the top bar in Unity using Gnome 2 themes
[02:02] <frewsxcv> sebsebseb: grey
[02:02] <frewsxcv> i feel like the gtk theme is just not set
[02:03] <torchie> alright
[02:03] <torchie> I can't be the only one with derpy wobble window bugs
[02:05] <frewsxcv> torchie: why do you have wobbly windows on in the first place?
[02:05] <frewsxcv> sebsebseb: how do you set the color
[02:06] <sebsebseb> frewsxcv: uhmm
[02:06] <sebsebseb> frewsxcv: get into Gnome 2 appearnce, try changing the Gnome 2 theme, or changing the colour option in there
[02:07] <torchie> frewsxcv, isn't it the default
[02:07] <CalicoJack> hello
[02:08] <thomi> When a window is maximised in unity, how can I get access to the window menu that contains "Always on Top", etc. (is there an official name for this menu?)
[02:08] <CalicoJack> so, i just loaded up the live version of Natty Beta 2 on my netbook, and i'm getting the old interface instead of unity. is this supposed to happen? i thought unity was the new default?
[02:09] <CalicoJack> anybody?
[02:10] <sebsebseb> CalicoJack: which graphics card?
[02:10] <sebsebseb> thomi: nice question, but that is not a feature of Unity
[02:10] <CalicoJack> uh, Nvidia ion (but no proprietary drivers, cause it is the live version)
[02:10] <sebsebseb> CalicoJack: that's why then
[02:11] <CalicoJack> ah alright
[02:11] <sebsebseb> CalicoJack: you need either the propritary Nivida driver installed, or the experimental open driver
[02:11] <CalicoJack> so it only loads unity if you've got accelerated gfx?
[02:11] <sebsebseb> in my case trying on a desktop,  the propritary Nivida driver meant it would well freeze
[02:11] <sebsebseb> Unity would
[02:11] <sebsebseb> ,but then removing it and installing the experimental one well that would work
[02:11] <CalicoJack> kk
[02:11] <CalicoJack> thanks very much that explains it
[02:11] <sebsebseb> CalicoJack: yep need some sort of hardware acceclleration for the 3D version, but there's also a Unity 2D with a ppa  that uses Qt
[02:12] <thomi> sebsebseb: right, but unity hides the window title bar when it's maximised, right? (or rather, integrates it with the global panel thingy), which makes it impossible to right-click on the window title bar to get access to this menu.
[02:12] <sebsebseb> CalicoJack: oh and for the desktop they should have gone with Gnome Shell realy the new interface for Gnome 3 :)  ,but no they haven't hmm
[02:12] <sebsebseb> thomi: no the menu isn't there at all, because it's not part of Unity
[02:13] <CalicoJack> sebsebseb: yeah, my jury is still out on both unity and gnome shell.  just trying to futz around with them a bit to see if i like the new metaphor.
[02:13] <thomi> sebsebseb: umm, I'm not sure I understand. It is there for non-maximised windows... right click on a window title...
[02:13] <sebsebseb> thomi: of course if you right click on the desktop,  and for example cahnge the background, your really using Gnome 2 to do this
[02:13] <sebsebseb> thomi: at the moment, however  with 11.10 well you will have GNome 3 instead under neath
[02:13] <CalicoJack> thanks again for the help!
[02:14] <thomi> ok, I see
[02:14] <thomi> Is it worth reporting as a bug/ wishlist feature? It'd be a shame to see that functionality dissapear.
[02:14] <sebsebseb> thomi: and  so like old Gnome Shell's   Unity is currently a interface that goes on top of Gnome 2, instead of using the normal interface
[02:15] <sebsebseb> thomi: could be worth a try as a wishlist feature suggestion, but I would like to see something like that in GNome Shell as well, which I think is lacking as well at the moment hmm, well not tried very latest Gnome Shell yet.
[02:26] <Datz> I'm in the process of doing a dist upgrade to 11.04. I was wondering if there is a package for gnome3?
[02:27] <sebsebseb> Datz: yes there is
[02:27] <Datz> sebsebseb: awesome :)
[02:27] <sebsebseb> Datz:  http://askubuntu.com/questions/22946/how-do-i-install-the-latest-version-of-gnome-3
[02:27] <Datz> home my ATI mobility x1400 works with it
[02:27] <Datz> ah, thanks sebsebseb
[02:28] <sebsebseb> as far as I know the Gnome 3 ppa lacks a few things, that well proper Gnome 3 distro's have, but nothing major, so :)
[02:29] <Datz> ah, I see
[02:29] <sebsebseb> Datz: ok have fun with Gnome 3/Shell then, and yep it's better than Unity really :D
[02:29] <Datz> major distro's like Fedora?
[02:30] <Datz> sebsebseb: is it. I haven't had the pleasure of trying unity yet
[02:30] <sebsebseb> well there's that Fedora based Live CD and a OpenSuse from http://gnome3.org ,but Fedora 15 will be released next month with Gnome 3
[02:30] <Datz> ah right
[02:30] <sebsebseb> plus some other distro's already do Gnome 3
[02:31] <Datz> I was hoping to have both Unity and Gnome 3 at my disposal
[02:31] <sebsebseb> Datz: yes same here really, but there's a little issue with that still, as far as I know
[02:31] <sebsebseb> unless the Gnome 3 ppa team have fixed it already of course
[02:31] <Datz> hum
[02:31] <sebsebseb> basically you install the Gnome 3 ppa
[02:31] <sebsebseb> and
[02:31] <Datz> linteresting
[02:32] <sebsebseb> Unity  3D the one that comes with 11.04, and even the Unity 2D made with Qt, ppa
[02:32] <sebsebseb> well the Unity's  can't load them up from GDM the log in screen,  however they are probably still installed and working really
[02:33] <Datz> humm
[02:33] <sebsebseb> Datz: something I expect to be fixed by the time the final comes out though, if it's not already fixed
[02:33] <Datz> I see. Well I guess I'll find out soon enough
[02:33] <Datz> so, 11.04 comes with Unity and Gnome2 by default?
[02:33] <sebsebseb> well really
[02:33] <sebsebseb> Unity is like the old Gnome Shell's
[02:33] <Datz> ah
[02:33] <sebsebseb> in 11.04
[02:34] <sebsebseb> an alternative itnerface that goes on top of Gnome 2, under neath is Gnome 2
[02:34]  * Datz is starting to get it
[02:34] <Datz> so there will be a Unity version which is built atop gnome 3 eventually?
[02:34] <sebsebseb> for 11.10  they will have Gnome 3 underneath instead, and Unity 2d probably  as the fallback option instead of Gnome 2
[02:34] <Datz> ah
[02:34] <Datz> that makes sense
[02:34] <sebsebseb> I was typing the answer to your question, before I even read your question :D
[02:34] <Datz> kind of
[02:34] <Datz> haha
[02:35] <Datz> you would think they'd just wait for gnome 3
[02:35] <Datz> and build unity atop it
[02:35] <sebsebseb> Gnome 3 is already out
[02:35] <sebsebseb> and has been since April 6th
[02:35] <Datz> sure, but they started work on unity based on Gnome2
[02:35] <sebsebseb> yes, but that's, because well
[02:36] <sebsebseb> they decided not to go with Gnome Shell for the desktop, which they should have done really, since Gnome is the real upstream, not them
[02:36] <Datz> humm
[02:36] <Datz> I see :)
[02:37] <sebsebseb> originally Unity was going to be netbook only
[02:37]  * Datz checks and sees 7 more min on the dist upgrade download :)
[02:37] <sebsebseb> and yeah there it was in 10.10 as a netbook interface,  which I also tried out on my desktop with Ubuntu and Lubuntu which I  quite liked doing
[02:37] <Datz> sebsebseb: ah. I think I almost remember that
[02:37] <Datz> ah
[02:38] <sebsebseb> personally from what I have seen of the 11.04 Uniyt's so 3D and 2D, I actsaully prefer the 10.10,  but anyway back to what I was saying
[02:38] <Datz> I've only tried unity in 10.04, of what it had progressed to at that point
[02:38] <Datz> ah
[02:38] <sebsebseb> put simpalley,  Canonical and upstream Gnome had differnet idea's for what  they wanted as a desktop interface, and so it was decided that Unity would be by default for the desktop version as well starting with 11.04
[02:38] <Datz> I tried Unity in 10.10, but it didn't work with my laptops card
[02:39] <Datz> ah
[02:39] <Datz> I wonder what the future holds for ubuntu and Gnome 3
[02:39] <Datz> I'm guessing after all this energy into Unity, they'll stick with it for default for awhile
[02:39] <sebsebseb> I care more about the future of Desktop Linux as a whole, and the various distro's :)
[02:40] <buff27> Xubuntu is going to be bigger this year
[02:40] <Datz> yea, well I don't know what the right direction is
[02:40] <sebsebseb> as for Unity well,  it's pretty much Ubuntu only at the moment which is ashame really
[02:40] <sebsebseb> buff27: Linux Mint is going to be much more popular this year
[02:40] <sebsebseb> it seems
[02:41] <Datz> yea, I know a lot of people who have switched  to mint
[02:41] <Datz> not necessarily from ubuntu
[02:41] <sebsebseb> Datz: realy the right direction is to stay close to upsteram for most stuff really, but Canonical seem to think differently,  but at the end of the day it's up to the user to deicide what they want to use, and there is loads of choice
[02:41] <rww> Yes, one of the major reasons I don't use Ubuntu (or derivatives of it) is the tendency to stray rather far from upstream.
[02:41] <JanC> I think there are unity packages in an unofficial repository for opensuse
[02:41] <Datz> sebsebseb: yea that's true, at least for the power user
[02:42] <rww> That's a personal preference, though; I don't think straying from upstream is inherently objectively bad.
[02:42] <Datz> no, upstream isn't going to be right for everyone
[02:42] <sebsebseb> JanC: there was a guy who tried to get Unity  for OpenSuse as an otion, but some issues, and there is one who is trying to get it into Fedora offical reopo's as an option, but he is having some issues as well
[02:42] <shaneo> can anyone assist me with rss torrent downloads with transmission
[02:43] <JanC> sebsebseb: which is why it's in an unofficial repo I guess ☺
[02:43] <sebsebseb> rww: I thought you used Ubuntu?
[02:43] <JanC> sebsebseb: not unlike gnome shell for Ubuntu...
[02:43] <rww> sebsebseb: We've had conversations about me using Debian in the past ;P
[02:43] <sebsebseb> rww: uhmm maybe, but in that case I don't remember, but uhmm ok  :)
[02:44] <rww> Debian and KDE are what I actually use. I support Ubuntu on IRC and test it out every so often.
[02:45] <rww> (and my parent uses Ubuntu, and I use it at work for pulling data off of dead Windows installs, and...)
[02:46] <sebsebseb> Datz: well for the interface with Ubuntu and it started  when 9.04 was in development, they have kept on going more and more away from what upstream Gnome is doing, but under the hood, sure it's still running Gnome.  Personalley I don't really like the Gnome 2 patches that were done to Ubuntu,  except for the sound menu, and I don't mind notify-osd,  but take Mint for example I really like it's alternative Gnome 2 menu.  However let people choose
[02:46] <sebsebseb> what they want to run,  and ideally after having some sort of idea what things are about, that's what I think :)
[02:49] <Datz> sebsebseb: humm. I don't really know about the patches too well.
[02:49] <Datz> sebsebseb: I didn't think it was too different from debian last time I used Debian
[02:50] <Datz> but then again I didn't really use debian with a GUI too long
[02:50] <sebsebseb> JanC: a few technical reasons why other distro's aren't just doing Unity, but talking quite a bit about that here, would be going off topic by quite a bit I think
[02:52] <Datz> If Unity gains popularity with the release of 11.04, maybe others will adopt it
[02:53] <JanC> they'll have to fix some more bugs to make it really popular  ;)
[02:53] <sebsebseb> Datz: before Ubuntu 9.04,  the way Ubuntu did Gnome as far as I know, was very close to Debian, and so also very close to the way upstream Gnome did it.  anyway I guess I am glad  really or something, that quite a few of these patches that I didn't like in Gnome 2,   are now going to be used as well proper features  instead in Unity.  Why, well because it just won't matter that much anymore that they  started off as Gnome 2 patches that I didn't
[02:53] <sebsebseb> like I guess, espesailly when they drop Gnome 2 in Ubuntu 11.10.
[02:54] <Datz> sebsebseb: ah, well sounds like they are doing that right at least :)
[02:54]  * Datz will have to wait for an hour and a half for the upgrades to install
[02:54] <mineralntl> anyone using a Dell D630?
[02:54] <JanC> I'm not sure they will drop gnome 2, it might still be in universe...
[02:55] <Datz> Well another thing I was thinking about is virtual machine support for 3D stuffs like Unity and Gnome 3
[02:55] <JanC> well, at least gnome-panel & such
[02:55] <Datz> virtual box doesn't support Gnome 3
[02:55] <sebsebseb> JanC: I don't think that many developers of other distro's who want to provide Unity as an option in their repo's, will be in a rush to fix bugs in Unity,  for well that obvious reason, that is known about by anyone who has read enough about this stuff on the net.  So yeah if Canonical sort those kind of issues out, then sure I think Unity could get pretty popular in other distro's as well.
[02:56] <Datz> what will happen when distros drop 2D desktops
[02:56] <JanC> Datz: I doubt they will ever
[02:57] <Datz> by default?
[02:57] <JanC> by default they are ditching them right now  ;)
[02:57] <sebsebseb> Datz: uh I read a little earlier some where, that Gnome Shell works in Virtualbox 4.0, but not very well
[02:57] <sebsebseb> Datz: I think proper virtual machine support for Gnome Shell and Unity, and even 3D Windows games, is coming
[02:57] <JanC> unity supposedly works in Vbox 4 too
[02:58] <Datz> sebsebseb: humm, haven't tried it, I read differently but it may have been dated
[02:58] <sebsebseb> and yeah Unity works in Virtualbox
[02:58] <sebsebseb> not tried myself yet though
[02:58] <Datz> sebsebseb: that would be nice
[02:58] <Datz> ah, I tried it awhile back and it didn;t work
[02:58] <Datz> I think it was 6.5 workstation VMware
[02:59] <Datz> but it also was awhile back
[02:59] <sebsebseb> JanC: Datz Here's a good link about this: http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2011/04/21/ubuntu-natty-in-virtualbox-with-unity/
[02:59] <Datz> thanks
[02:59] <sebsebseb> Datz: ok you're welcome
[03:01] <Datz> sebsebseb: I'll give that a try later when my desktop pc is free :)
[03:01] <sebsebseb> Datz: hmm ok well have fun with that then
[03:02] <Datz> thx man
[03:02] <Datz> I switched from VMware to Vbox for everything recently
[03:02] <Datz> 4.0 seems really nice
[03:02] <sebsebseb> yeah VMware been quite a while since I used any VMware product
[03:02] <Datz> Being able to use a Raw disk was the deciding factor
[03:02] <sebsebseb> altough I was thinking earlier about maybe  trying out converter again, but well no need :)
[03:03] <Datz> ah
[03:03] <sebsebseb> Datz: yeah I want to virtual machine XP again soonish,  got something I need Windows for really,  and if that doesn't work out,  I am going to have to use another computer for that hmm
[03:05] <sebsebseb> Datz: well either that, or fix my Vista install on here,  so it  boots again, and some how get the correct sound driver for it, since I lost the drivers CD
[03:05] <sebsebseb> Datz: Wine  really isn't good enough  sometimes or a lot of the time
[03:05] <sebsebseb> altough Wine is very impressive software indeed :)
[03:07] <Datz> sebsebseb: yea, I have XP in a VM just in case, although I don't use it
[03:07] <Datz> but I run my desktop with Win7 too, so not like I'm windowless
[03:08] <Datz> Wine is very impressive indeed, but I try to avoid it actually
[03:08] <Datz> it seems like it's just getting better and better
[03:08] <sebsebseb> Datz: yeah and I got Vista on dual boot, in case I decide to use it, but well  I woudn't nromalley.  and I know we are getting a bit of topic here so uhmmm let's see uhmm, well  quite a lot of people will be dual booting Ubuntu 11.04 with Windows,  but quite a lot of people will be having Windows on there just in case, and on the just in case subject  that omgubuntu site had a good blog entry about the guy removing his Windows install
[03:08] <sebsebseb> Datz: anwyay like it or not, since how things are, we are going to need Windows for some stuff
[03:10] <sebsebseb> Datz: peronsally this is how I would do it,  1. native Linux apps yay nice awesome great :)   2.  wasn't good enough, or no alternative, ok Wine.  3.  no luck in Wine? 4.  ok Windows virtual machine  5.  still wanting to run that app and still no luck, fine pshyicall Windows install
[03:10] <sebsebseb> however I don't tend to run Windows apps anwyay so there isn't much of the above :)
[03:10] <ubuntuguy> My volume has suddenly stopped working, I'm restarting my computer to see if that solves the problem
[03:11] <sebsebseb> ubuntuguy: ok good luck :)
[03:11] <ubuntuguy> Nope
[03:11] <ubuntuguy> I would've heard the slash at the beginning
[03:11] <ubuntuguy> Any ideas?
[03:11] <mjn> hi all, anyone else having the laggey kb issue at login?
[03:11] <ubuntuguy> oH
[03:11] <ubuntuguy> NVM
[03:11] <ubuntuguy> Hm weird much
[03:12] <Datz> haha sebsebseb yea that's a good thought process
[03:12] <sebsebseb> Datz: and well there are commerical versions of Wine as well, but those are meant to be paid for
[03:12] <Datz> sebsebseb: you can use rawdisk with Vbox
[03:12] <sebsebseb> rawdisk ???
[03:13] <ubuntuguy> Anyone know why all my songs in banshe got mixed up and are no longer in order?
[03:13] <Datz> My desktop is dual boot, I have a separate disk with ubuntu installed. I now run that disk in a VM
[03:13] <sebsebseb> Datz: also apps suxch as playonlinux that are meant to make some Windows apps works better in Wine or whatever
[03:13] <sebsebseb> ubuntuguy: no, maybe just a corrupted banshee database, or slightly
[03:13] <ubuntuguy> Anyone know why all my songs in banshe got mixed up and are no longer in order?
[03:13] <ubuntuguy> Hm
[03:14] <sebsebseb> !repeate | ubuntuguy
[03:14] <ubuntuguy> Any ideas on how to correct it?
[03:14] <sebsebseb> !patience | ubuntuguy
[03:14] <Datz> sebsebseb: I haven't tried running windows as a raw disk, but it probaly works
[03:14] <sebsebseb> Datz: I meant raw disk, I am not sure what you mean actly
[03:14] <sebsebseb> exactly
[03:15] <Datz> so, it's just an option to use a physical disk in a VM
[03:15] <sebsebseb> ubuntuguy: uhmm if you look around the hidden .folders for home, I guess you will find the banshee litesyql database or wahtever it is
[03:15] <sebsebseb> ubuntuguy: ,but well if you dlete that, or even remove it, I guess that's it really, you got to import all your stuff into Banshee again
[03:15] <sebsebseb> if you delete it, or even more it, above
[03:16] <sebsebseb> Datz: oh ok :)
[03:16] <commodore64th> I seem to be having trouble connecting an external mic...
[03:17] <ubuntuguy> Hm, does the new banshee come pre-installed with ubuntu 11.04?
[03:17] <ubuntuguy> or am I using the old one?
[03:19] <commodore64th> My external microphone isn't being detected...
[03:29] <perscitus> how do you change autohide length in dock?
[03:30] <sebsebseb> rww: oh release party channel already open?
[03:31] <rww> sebsebseb: less than a week, and we stocked up on synthahol this time
[03:31] <perscitus> sebsebseb,  I think ill just use cairo dock
[03:32] <sebsebseb> rww: synthaol?
[03:32] <perscitus> i just cant find a way to increase wait time for autohide
[03:32] <sebsebseb> perscitus: uhmm
[03:32] <sebsebseb> perscitus: Unity 3D has auto hide, Unity 2D does not (which isn't even in 11.04 by default)
[03:33] <perscitus> Unity 3d does have it
[03:33] <perscitus> i just cant find it wait time in gconf
[03:35] <sebsebseb> perscitus: uhmm it should auto hide by default
[03:35] <perscitus> Im looking  for the wait time
[03:42] <perscitus> sebsebseb,  if i can icrease the delay then it will make dock stay hidden
[03:43] <commodore64th> My external microphone isn't being detected in 11.04.
[03:44] <perscitus> must be usb
[03:44] <commodore64th> huh?
[03:45] <commodore64th> I'm plugging it in the microphone port...
[04:32] <gustavold> is there a place in Unity similar to Maverick's system->preferences?
[04:32] <gustavold> I just upgraded to natty and I'm lost
[04:34] <rww> gustavold: click your name in the top-right
[04:36] <gustavold> ah, quite hidden behind the turn off symbol...
[04:36] <gustavold> rww: thanks ;)
[04:37] <rww> oh, yes, the turn off symbol. I'm thinking of GNOME Shell >.>
[04:46] <commodore64th> My external microphone isn't being detected in 11.04...
[04:47] <commodore64th> Also, I can't connect to my LAN network.
[05:34] <bullgard4> !sound | commodore64th
[05:34] <bullgard4> !wireless | commodore64th
[05:34] <commodore64th> I'm having wired problems...
[05:35] <bullgard4> commodore64th: Please analyze dmesg for wired problems.
[05:35] <commodore64th> okay.
[05:37] <commodore64th> ah, I got "[19304.464066] eth0: no IPv6 routers present
[05:37] <commodore64th> "
[05:41] <commodore64th> Okay, so dmesg showed nothing important...
[05:45] <codex84> how u disable the launcher
[05:45] <codex84> ?
[05:52] <arand> codex84: You can go back to classic gnome2 by choosing that option at login is that is what you mane..
[05:53] <arand> *mean
[05:55] <bullgard4> commodore64th: May be the command '~$ route' will reveal an error.
[05:57] <commodore64th> bullgard4, it doesn't show any information about my wired interface (eth0), just my wireless one (eth1)
[06:06] <semitones> anyone want to help me figure out how to mute the startup sound in natty
[06:06] <semitones> the two obvious solutions are non-solutions
[06:07] <commodore64th> Hm... Disable system sounds?
[06:07] <semitones> "Login Screen" preferences has a toggle for login sound, but it is already unchecked
[06:07] <semitones> commodore64th, but some system sounds are good
[06:07] <commodore64th> Personally, I like to keep it quiet.
[06:08] <semitones> the login is the only one that bothers me
[06:08] <semitones> I was looking for a list of system sounds so I could disable just those
[06:08] <semitones> is it in gconf or something
[06:08] <commodore64th> Could you replace the actual sound file with a blank sound file?
[06:09] <commodore64th> that's what I'd do.
[06:10] <semitones> i could find out what it's called and do that
[06:10] <commodore64th> mmhmm.
[06:10] <semitones> but it's probably just as easy to disable, once you know how
[06:11] <commodore64th> yeah...
[06:13] <semitones> commodore64th, it's in startup applications
[06:13] <semitones> "gnome login sound"
[06:14] <commodore64th> oh. Well, there you go :D
[06:14] <commodore64th> Who would have known?
[06:20] <scb> Anyone having issues with the shutdown button on Kubuntu?
[06:22] <semitones> why does natty have a 'safe mode' ? :(
[06:29] <th^^> http://linux.slashdot.org/story/11/04/22/2132251/Linux-Kernel-Suffering-Power-Management-Regression
[06:29] <th^^> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/760131
[06:29] <th^^> this is bad ^^ :)
[06:30] <arand> th^^: Well read the phoronix article as well.
[06:31] <arand> th^^: Yes it is seemingly a fact but no, ther is yet nothing that can be done about it from ubuntu's side.
[06:32] <scb> Meh, when has Linux been any good on power consumption?
[06:33] <commodore64th> Be right back, need to restart.
[06:35] <torchie> significantly eh
[06:35] <torchie> droid x is pretty good on power consuimption
[06:36] <torchie> conspaugmationgthn
[06:36] <semitones> compared to what? mac, windows?
[06:37] <semitones> on the same hardware they have better power consumption?
[06:39] <aptidude_> Is there a way I can do a command line install of Natty?  Not a server install, but one with linux-generic, acpi, etc.
[06:41] <tayyabali> i want to to all will people like natty narwals look as it is like notebook version !!!!!!!! i think people will take time to change !
[06:43] <madsailor> aptidude_, the alternate install CD might be what youre looking for.  It can be found at : http://releases.ubuntu.com/natty/
[06:44] <aptidude_> Yeah, that's what I'm trying but I don't see the option.  Isn't under F4 in grub?
[06:46] <tayyabali> is it ok to remove ubuntu 10.10 and install 11.04 are their any bugs their ! ?
[06:46] <rww> Yes, there are bugs. It's still in development ;P
[06:47] <tayyabali> after 28 april shall i go for 11.04 ?
[06:47] <commodore64th> YES
[06:48] <commodore64th> actually, you can upgrade
[06:48] <th^^> there will be load of bugs next week too, so don't be too optimistic :)
[06:48] <madsailor> aptidude_, I *think* it presents options after booting the image (past grub), but I havn't used an Ubuntu Alt CD, only other distros.
[06:49] <commodore64th> I haven't encountered any bugs that are too serious. Less bugs than ubuntu 10.10 netbook, IMO
[06:50] <aptidude_> Ok, I'll hunt around.
[06:50] <aptidude_> Thanks
[06:50] <madsailor> aptidude_,  some docs can be found here :https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallCDCustomization
[06:51] <commodore64th> tayyabali, you can upgrade from 10.10 straight to 11.04.
[06:51] <tayyabali> see i am eagerly  waiting for 11.04 stable version !!!!!!
[06:51] <tayyabali> upgrade ? how to do that ?
[06:52] <rww> commodore64th: no you can't
[06:52] <rww> oh. yes you can.
[06:52] <rww> sorry, I'm tired >.>
[06:52] <commodore64th> I just did :P
[06:52] <commodore64th> this morning~
[06:52] <commodore64th> took darn near two hours.
[06:52] <th^^> tayyabali: update-manager -d and hit upgrade
[06:53] <commodore64th> that's what I did this morning.
[06:55] <tayyabali> in our LAN so many restrictions are their it might create problems
[06:56] <mahfrk> how to use 'testdrive' feature in natty beta 2 in s/w center?
[06:56] <commodore64th> Make sure you have an uninterrupted internet connection when upgrading!
[06:56] <commodore64th> I had to retry twice because another computer on my network was seeding 50 torrents at once.
[06:57] <tayyabali> it better i will back up data and install from CD itself
[06:58] <commodore64th> If you upgrade, you keep your settings and whatnot.
[06:58] <commodore64th> That's why I chose to upgrade.
[07:04] <mahfrk> how to use 'testdrive' feature in natty beta 2 in s/w center?
[07:10] <scb> commodore64th: given the case that you /can/ upgrade. update-manager went bonkers each time i tried to.
[07:10] <commodore64th> oh, really?
[07:10] <commodore64th> Hm...
[07:11] <commodore64th> I had zero problems.
[07:11] <scb> commodore64th: ended up sticking the cd and choosing upgrade. Terrible idea, it seemed so promising but about to finish it went "There was an error and I can't really install your other packages." So basically the upgrade from cd is basically cutting out a step from my usual procedure of sticking the cd and doing a clean install.
[07:12] <commodore64th> odd,
[07:12] <scb> Yeah, completely.
[07:15] <dai_> hello, I am on natty running unity. Can I resize the alt-f2 panel, and if so where ?
[07:19] <pfui> any way to get gnome-shell to play nicely with fglrx?
[07:34] <n2i> :) How to reset Unity config to default?
[07:35] <dns53> why does ubuntu-desktop conflict with xubuntu-desktop?
[07:36] <McShaggy> i cant get my laptop to connect to my router either wireless or wired, but i can connect to neighbors wireless... anyone have a clue why? im on a fresh install, the natty livecd worked connecting to my router no problem over wireless
[07:37] <McShaggy> i have intel 3945 and intel ethernet, ive tried a few connection managers
[07:37] <McShaggy> rfkill shows no blocks, dmesg shows nothing, iwl3945 is loaded and working, and i can connect to my neighbor..
[08:20] <somed8> hi guys
[08:20] <somed8> how can i resize the launcher bar? or the icons
[08:20] <somed8> they're huge
[08:22] <somed8> no one on?
[08:27] <zniavre> somed8,  in ccsm you got the way to resize the launcher icons
[08:28] <gogeta> so how mutch hate is there for unity heh
[08:30] <somed8> zniavre,  im sorry i dont follow :/
[08:30] <somed8> can u elavorate?
[08:33] <vish> !info ccsm
[08:34] <vish> !info compiz-setting-manager
[08:34] <rww> compizconfig-settings-manager
[08:34] <vish> ha!
[08:34] <tsimpson> !find bin/ccsm
[08:34] <rww> i win
[08:35] <tsimpson> but what if rww was not here?!
[08:35] <vish> we all loose !!
[08:35] <rww> packages would go unfound; grammar would go uncorrected
[08:37] <zniavre> :o)
[08:38] <zniavre> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nux/+bug/768178   (my last comment)
[08:39] <zniavre> somed8,  there is a package named compizconfig-settings-manager you can find in synaptic it allow you to modify the unity option
[08:39] <nijabo> I wonder why they do not include CCSM in Natty
[08:40] <vish> nijabo: it is in Natty, just not installed by default..
[08:40] <nijabo> Yea
[08:40] <nijabo> But since a lot of te configuration for Unity is in there, they should include it by default - imo.
[08:41] <vish> hehe, they actually dont want people to keep changingconfig.., they want to get the right config..
[08:41] <somed8> thank you zniavre
[08:42] <nijabo> Even apple got a configuration for the dock by default
[08:42] <somed8> lol actually i had already installed that . gotta figure out how to change it now :)
[08:45] <nijabo> huh?
[08:46] <nijabo> You go into the plugin called Unity
[08:46] <nijabo> in CCSM
[08:47] <nijabo> In experimental there's most of the stuff
[08:47] <zniavre> somed8,  http://i.imgur.com/73uBs.png
[08:47] <somed8> :) nice
[08:48] <somed8> daang i think i brokeit.. i enabled the cube and now i cant click on anything
[08:53] <nijabo> Yah
[08:53] <nijabo> Don't enable the cube
[08:54] <nijabo> It's still a bit messed up
[08:54] <nijabo> I heard they fixed that but people have had compiz crashing on them
[09:02] <nijabo> I like this wallpaper (from Gnome3) http://lxnews.org/files/gnome3-spaceflare.jpg
[09:02] <nijabo> Looks good in Unity as well
[09:02] <topaz11> hello all few more days to go aka april 28th dtd release
[09:02] <torchie> when I update my natty on april 28
[09:03] <torchie> will anything cool happen
[09:03] <topaz11> yesh
[09:03] <nijabo> You will get 11.04 :P
[09:03] <torchie> i guess thats cool
[09:03] <torchie> but will I get a sweet ass-welcome animation
[09:03] <topaz11> the force will be with u
[09:03] <nijabo> Uh, I haven't noticed any new welcome animation running B2
[09:04] <nijabo> But who knows, a lot can happen these last few days
[09:04] <torchie> well I mean B2 is just like whatever
[09:04] <torchie> and april 28 is like WHOAAAAAAAA
[09:05] <topaz11> ok when will we see ubuntu build on gnome 3?
[09:06] <nijabo> What do you mean?
[09:06] <nijabo> Like... Ubuntu based on Gnome 3
[09:06] <nijabo> Or a gnome 3 that works in Ubuntu?
[09:06] <topaz11> the current version of ubuntu is based on gnome 2 right>
[09:06] <nijabo> Of course
[09:06] <topaz11> so wht about gnome 3>
[09:07] <nijabo> When they started developing Ubuntu 11.04, Gnome 3 wasn't completed
[09:07] <topaz11> read about it
[09:07] <nijabo> Yeah
[09:07] <nijabo> Gnome 3 was released like last week
[09:07] <topaz11> need to see the development schedule is one available >?
[09:07] <nijabo> Not really enough time to base their new shell ontop of that
[09:08] <nijabo> It's in the topic topaz11
[09:08] <nijabo> The release schedual
[09:08] <nijabo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyReleaseSchedule
[09:09] <nijabo> I'm not sure but I've heard that 11.10 will be built ontop of Gnome3
[09:10] <nijabo> But they haven't started with 11.10 so who can be sure
[09:10] <topaz11> ok
[09:11] <torchie> anyone else's workspace switcher just like
[09:11] <torchie> going to the wrong workspace when you click fast
[09:11] <nijabo> Not for me
[09:12] <topaz11> i only use one work space :)
[09:12] <torchie> hmm
[09:12] <torchie> mine just goes completely wrong
[09:12] <nijabo> Weird
[09:12] <nijabo> Mine works perfectly
[09:13] <nijabo> I always use 4 workspaces
[09:13] <torchie> i'm using 6 right now
[09:15] <nijabo> Get 9 instead
[09:15] <nijabo> For the sake of symmetry :P
[09:31] <topaz11> sometimes the top bar gets corrupted
[09:31] <somed8> hi guys
[09:31] <somed8> i need some help please
[09:33] <leagris> hello again somed8 :)
[09:34] <somed8> i broke my desktop :/ i was messin with the cube settings and now i have nothing.. i was able to start this browser by creating a launcher trough terminal
[09:34] <leagris> somed8, if you messed with various settings and want to go strit to default
[09:34]  * somed8 listens
[09:34] <leagris> then move any config folder inside /home/username/ to some backup dir and login again
[09:35] <somed8> hi leagris :)
[09:35] <leagris> somed8, this includes ~/.gconf* ~/.gtk* ~/.gnome*
[09:36] <somed8> couldnt i just create a new account and log off and delete this one?
[09:36] <somed8> cuz i dunno how to do that stuff :/
[09:36] <somed8> sorry i think im over myhead
[09:36] <leagris> somed8, if you do so you will loose everything including personnal content
[09:36] <topaz11> the cube settings dont play well with compiz
[09:37] <somed8> leagris: would u please tell me how to do this?
[09:38] <leagris> somed8, log out from gnome, open text console and login, use the mkdir command to create a backup dir, mv command to move the mentioned directories to backup dir, logout from console, login back to gnome and enjoy defaulted settings
[09:38] <topaz11> try restarting compiz
[09:39] <topaz11> do u have access to system settings
[10:01] <Kurdistan> hey how is kubuntu/xubuntu beta 2 performing?
[10:09] <psalden> fglrx update available... let's see if we'll be seeing any miracles today :P
[10:10] <nijabo> Kurdistan, I tried Xubuntu b2
[10:10] <nijabo> Worked fine imo
[10:10] <nijabo> a lot better than the alphas for sure
[10:11] <Kurdistan> what do you think is the biggest difference compare to xubuntu maverick?
[10:11] <nijabo> XFCE 4.6
[10:11] <Kurdistan> nijabo, yeah that I know.
[10:11] <nijabo> .8*
[10:11] <nijabo> New theme
[10:11] <nijabo> General fixing
[10:12] <nijabo> I think it's a better experience compared to 10.10
[10:12] <Kurdistan> better powersave/battery time, boot and stability.
[10:12] <nijabo> Well, stability is probably not the best as it is a beta
[10:12] <nijabo> But it sure will be
[10:12] <Kurdistan> is it lighter then xubuntu maverick?
[10:14] <nijabo> No idea
[10:14] <nijabo> I didn't give it any longer run tbh
[10:14] <Kurdistan> oki
[10:33] <buntfalke> Hi
[10:33] <|Seth|> hi buntfalke
[10:33] <buntfalke> Where to define the max number of linux-image-* packages which are kept installed?
[10:34] <buntfalke> I would like to have old ones be aptitude purged automagically, once there are N (eg 3) newer onces (wether or not the system knows they are working)
[10:43] <buntfalke> As in, how to use this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/removing-old-kernels on natty?
[12:18] <ubuntu> hello, i installed ubuntu 11.04 beta2. after restarting the installation grub says "error symbol not found: `grub_env_export` entering rescue mode. how do i fix this?
[12:33] <boritek> hi
[12:34] <boritek> i upgraded to natty, but seemingly there is no compositing in the binary driver
[12:34] <boritek> so it falls back to gnome2
[12:34] <boritek> no compiz and unity
[12:34] <boritek> any idea?
[12:37] <zniavr> boritek, wich drivers for wich gfx card ?
[12:48] <tewk> Looking for natty help, my .Xmodmap caps lock remap doesn't seem to work, Lenovo W510 us-eng
[13:04] <phibxr> is there a good reason for showing the launcher when you press alt+tab?
[13:06] <gnomefreak> it should show the apps you have open so you can switch to one
[13:07] <topyli> urgh. plasma crash
[13:07] <gnomefreak> boritek: is conpiz crashing while trying to load?
[13:07] <antihc33> anyone know if the intel video is fixed in 11.04?
[13:09] <gnomefreak> without telling us what the problem was it is going to be hard to answer. intel never really broke like ati/nvidia. you can try looing in the topic at the link that says beta 2 to see if it is mentioned towards the middle to bottom of page
[13:09] <gnomefreak> antihc33: ^^^
[13:11] <antihc33> gnomefreak yea sorry about that.  I was looking for the exact problem after i sent that.
[13:14] <antihc33> there was a problem with the dispaly not working on some intel chipsets.  Once you plugged an external monitor in it would start working
[13:16] <gnomefreak> oh
[13:16]  * gnomefreak brb i cant figure this bug out
[13:16] <antihc33> makes it kinda hard to use this laptop :D
[13:17] <topyli> ubuntu has upgraded it to a desktop!
[13:18] <antihc33> lol yea
[13:20] <sulumar> Greetings
[13:20] <sulumar> What do you think of Unity
[13:20] <sulumar> ?
[13:22] <delac_> trying to connect to unencrypted wlan AP. Driver is iwl3945. But I get from dmesg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/597812/. Any thoughts?
[13:35] <matthias___> hi
[13:36] <matthias___> my terminal looks like this http://imagebin.org/149771 after I rebooted (and probably updated my system)
[13:36] <gnomefreak> matthias___: restart system
[13:37] <matthias___> restart=reboot?
[13:37] <gnomefreak> yes
[13:37] <matthias___> ok, brb
[13:37] <DarsVaeda> hi is there some basic tutorial for unity that explains how to do things that always worked before?
[13:37] <DarsVaeda> like pushing a program to another workspace or selecting a window
[13:37] <gnomefreak> DarsVaeda: not really, depends on what you want to do
[13:38] <gnomefreak> that i havent tried but should be able to
[13:38] <DarsVaeda> oh my then this will be a desaster :/
[13:38] <gnomefreak> not really. once you get the hang of it its not hard
[13:39] <DarsVaeda> i find it is because simple things just dont work intentive anymore
[13:39] <gnomefreak> but again depends on what you are tring to do. i know i have to do things different for scripts and such
[13:39] <DarsVaeda> how do you switch an application between workspaces?
[13:39] <phibxr> why does the launcher show while pressing Ctrl and hovering over a link in google-chrome? o_O
[13:39] <DarsVaeda> usually you could go to the menubar and select switch to another workspace
[13:40] <gnomefreak> phibxr: because you are far left. you shoulnt need to press ctrl if you are that far left
[13:40] <phibxr> DarsVaeda, right click the title bar / menu bar.
[13:40] <DarsVaeda> doesnt work
[13:40] <phibxr> gnomefreak, that
[13:40] <phibxr> gnomefreak, sorry, that's my only way of opening a link in a new tab without right clicking it. :P
[13:40] <gnomefreak> DarsVaeda: click on workspace icon in dock than drag and drop the app to another workspace
[13:40] <gnomefreak> thats easy no?
[13:41] <DarsVaeda> yes i figured that out
[13:41] <DarsVaeda> but that is so lame
[13:41] <gnomefreak> phibxr: i dont under stand. chromium doesnt let you open links?
[13:41] <DarsVaeda> its like thousand clicks for one simple action -.-
[13:41] <gnomefreak> DarsVaeda: its not too different than before is it?
[13:41] <matthias____> gnomefreak: it worked! thanks =)
[13:41] <gnomefreak> it 2 clicks
[13:42] <gnomefreak> matthias____: np,   scrolls to find out what i did
[13:42] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[13:43] <DarsVaeda> not really it is -> go to the dock, wait till its open, click the workspace icon, click the app, drag, wait cause i do not have the fastest machine ^^
[13:43] <gnomefreak> ok see here the dock is always open unless i have an app using full screen
[13:44] <DarsVaeda> i'm usually on full screen cause its a small monitor
[13:44] <gnomefreak> you can always use classic desktop if it makes life easier for you
[13:44] <DarsVaeda> yeah sure, but that is not the idea, not?
[13:44] <DarsVaeda> oh wait the menubar works if not fullscreen *puzzled*
[13:45] <gnomefreak> DarsVaeda: we keep it for people that want to use something familar and for graphic cards and drivers trhat dont support unity
[13:45]  * gnomefreak doesnt have a menubar all i have is a dock :(
[13:46] <gnomefreak> and *yes* ther eis a difference
[13:46] <gnomefreak> there is even
[13:47] <gnomefreak> hmmm gdebi isnt installed by default anymore
[13:53] <eleni> missing shutdown/log off icon? Ubuntu 11
[13:53]  * antihc33 burns 11.04 disk to try
[13:59] <aguitel> are natty more faster than maverick ? in same pc
[13:59] <bazhang> seems so
[14:00] <bazhang> depends if you are using unity 2d or 3d imo
[14:00] <aguitel> bazhang, how i know if are running 2d or 3d ?
[14:00] <bazhang> aguitel, what card
[14:00] <aguitel> nvidia
[14:01] <bazhang> well if its recent enough, then 3D unless you install the 2D package
[14:01] <bazhang> !find unity-2d
[14:02] <aguitel> bazhang, the card is Geoforce 7200GS
[14:02] <bazhang> aguitel, should be fine then
[14:04] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[14:04] <DarsVaeda> how do i  change to unity2d? on startup?
[14:04] <bazhang> !info unity-2d
[14:05] <datenshi> DarsVaeda, in gdm on login
[14:05] <bazhang> log in screen I'd suppose
[14:05] <DarsVaeda> thx
[14:05] <DarsVaeda> i'll give it a try
[14:07] <DarsVaeda> login was correct ;)
[14:07] <bazhang> how is it
[14:08] <DarsVaeda> much faster
[14:08] <bazhang> in terms of speed
[14:08] <DarsVaeda> i wonder how it is for battery
[14:08] <bazhang> ah nice
[14:08] <bazhang> easier I'd imagine
[14:08] <DarsVaeda> but i have an integrated intel chip
[14:08] <DarsVaeda> old one
[14:08] <bazhang> same
[14:09] <DarsVaeda> actually it looks same like the default unity installation
[14:09] <bazhang> its superior imo
[14:10] <DarsVaeda> oh and it is really good for power consumption for me :)
[14:11] <bazhang> well that works out well then
[14:12] <DarsVaeda> indeed
[14:30] <phibxr> can you make shortcuts to wine applications in the unity launcher? when I try to keep them after running 'wine app.exe', I get a shortcut which doesn't actually do anything when I click it.
[14:39] <boritek> zniavre_: nvidia 270.41.06
[14:51] <antihc33> 11 is a bit slower loading
[15:38]  * scriptwarlock is away: going to Mars...
[15:39]  * scriptwarlock is back (gone 00:00:52)
[15:39]  * scriptwarlock is away: standby mode.
[15:41] <sudipta> does unity supports any gtk themes.....like the aurorae themes?
[15:42] <sudipta> does unity supports any gtk themes.....like the aurorae themes?
[15:47] <zniavre_> the top panel is supposed to follow any gtk theme i think (the launcher no for sure)
[15:48] <durrrrrrrrr> links keep opening in firefox despite me setting the default browser as chrome... what gives?
[15:48] <sudipta> does unity supports any gtk themes.....like the aurorae themes?
[15:49] <zniavre_> sudipta,  zniavre_> the top panel is supposed to follow any gtk theme i think (the launcher no for sure)
[15:51] <aendruk> I installed Natty beta 2 yesterday. My disk space just reached 100% while I was browsing the web this morning for about 20 minutes. What should I do?
[15:53] <aendruk> *disk usage, that is, of a 60GB drive. I didn't check usage immediately after installation, but my Maverick installation happily stayed around 30GB, including a pile of disk images and VMs.
[16:34] <napsy> Hello. Will natty come with a gtk+ 3.0 stack?
[16:34] <MaximLevitsky> how to deal with /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu
[16:34] <MaximLevitsky> that really pisses me off
[16:34] <MaximLevitsky> it seems that many libraries moved there
[16:34] <MaximLevitsky> is there any explanation?
[16:37] <penguin42> MaximLevitsky: It's for multiarch - lets multiple architectures coexist
[16:37] <MaximLevitsky> I suspected that
[16:38] <MaximLevitsky> is there any howto about that?
[16:40] <penguin42> not sure - it's been worked on for AGES but only just started going into Ubuntu - it'll be nice when it works as well as RHEL/Fedora
[16:47] <atpa8a> hello
[16:48] <atpa8a> the launcher (i think that's what it is) started to autohide only on one of the workspaces... what keys manage that?
[17:00] <mrdeb> is steam out for linux
[17:01] <Lorthirk> mrdeb: i don't think so
[17:01] <mrdeb> hmm
[17:02] <mrdeb> so graphic cards are useless on linux
[17:03] <atpa8a> what's that panel on the left called?...
[17:08] <BluesKaj> mrdeb, for steam maybe , otherwise they're mostly fine
[17:10] <kire> mrdeb: steam being out for linux wouldn't even mean that games work
[17:10] <kire> steam is just a platform to download and launch games
[17:10] <kire> even more, steam itself will not even use most of the "heavy" features of your graphics card
[17:11] <Oday> is there no panel in 11.4? i want weather..CPU....and other things
[17:15] <ratc>  i was wondering if unity is the same on 11 as it was on 10.10 notbook edition, or if they made changes to it?
[17:16] <Lorthirk> ratc: it has some new features
[17:19] <atpa8a> hmm
[17:19] <atpa8a> how df do i unautohide the side panel???
[17:20] <mrdeb> atpa8a: you need to go into gconf-editor
[17:20] <atpa8a> really?..
[17:20] <zniavr_> is nt with ccsm unity pluggin > experimental> launcher
[17:20] <atpa8a> i believe i pressed something and it started to autohide *only* on one of the workspaces
[17:21] <mrdeb> i dont know what the buttons are
[17:21] <mrdeb> but it's in gconf-editor
[17:21] <atpa8a> mrdeb: thanks, will definitely check it
[17:22] <lcb> atpa8a, it should hide by itself, meaning if active window touches or overlaps it.
[17:22] <mrdeb> do you want to know where? i have it open
[17:22] <atpa8a> but if it happens again... would be nice to know the binding
[17:23] <atpa8a> hmm
[17:23] <atpa8a> lcb: you got it! but what's strange is that the window that touched it was in another workspace :P
[17:23] <lcb> mrdeb, hi. changing configs on gconf-editor.... could mess whole thing
[17:24] <mrdeb> lcb: it's just one setting
[17:24] <lcb> atpa8a, you have more than 1 monitor, isn't?
[17:24] <mrdeb> i did it, because i dont like the panel autohiding either
[17:24] <atpa8a> lcb: no
[17:25] <mrdeb> atpa8a: apps - compiz - plugins - unity shell - screen - options, and then launcher_hide_mode
[17:25] <lcb> atpa8a, check if that particular window is not going over the other monitor. if so could happening not hiding
[17:26] <atpa8a> cool
[17:26] <atpa8a> lcb: thanks!
[17:26] <lcb> atpa8a, ahh ok, i think i saw somewhere on what you wrote u have more than 1 monit
[17:26] <lcb> atpa8a, but should auto-hide by itself...
[17:27] <lcb> atpa8a, unless you've changed something already with compiz plugins or alike, of course. then you need to remember what you did
[17:28] <atpa8a> lcb: just starting to find my ways around :P
[17:28] <lcb> atpa8a, :)
[17:28] <lcb> check shortcuts website also
[17:28] <atpa8a> there's a website???
[17:28] <lcb> yeah
[17:29] <atpa8a> i pulled something in google but that wasn't like official shortcuts website
[17:29] <lcb> wait.. is on ubuntuhelp
[17:31] <atpa8a> ubuntuhelp?
[17:31] <atpa8a> ubuntugeek?
[17:34] <lcb> atpa8a, sorry, i had to leave for a bit
[17:34] <lcb> http://askubuntu.com/questions/28086/unity-keyboard-mouse-shortcuts
[17:35] <lcb> check the top links also, interesting things to know
[17:37] <lcb> !natty shortcuts
[17:37] <lcb> !shortcuts
[17:37] <lcb> bah
[17:37] <lcb> !unity shortcuts
[17:37] <lcb> !unity keys
[17:38] <lcb> !myself
[17:38] <lcb> " <ubottu> Sorry, I don't know anything about myself "
[17:38] <lcb> :)
[17:53] <ali1234> i just upgraded and i found natty is significantly slower than maverick
[17:54] <ali1234> i narrowed it down to the theme
[17:54] <ali1234> using ambiance or radiance makes everything extremely slow in both unity and classic
[17:54] <ali1234> using any other theme everything is fine, same as it was in maverick
[17:55] <lcb> Check Startup Applications. but what you said is very subjective. things are installed now and not then...
[17:55] <ali1234> check it for what?
[17:55] <lcb> ali1234, what you don't need to start as soon as you login
[17:55] <ali1234> i have a demonstratable result
[17:56] <ali1234> when i use radiance theme, switching window focus takes nearly a second
[17:56] <ali1234> as in "click in window 1, then click in window 2"
[17:56] <ali1234> this causes the whole machine to freeze for 1 second when using radiance or ambiance theme
[17:56] <ali1234> when i use any other theme, it does not happen
[17:57] <lcb> ali1234, probably something in need of being fixed, yet
[17:57] <ali1234> those themes also make other stuff slow, they seem to really hammer the graphics card, but not the CPU
[17:57] <ali1234> i suspect it is down to those massive drop shadows
[17:57] <lcb> possible
[17:57] <ali1234> so should i report a bug?
[17:58] <ali1234> guess i will do anyway
[17:58] <lcb> ali1234, you are talking about unity. if we really want to compare for real we need to do it with classic desktop, not unity. unity is one of the options to graphically run 11.04
[17:59] <ali1234> it happens in both
[17:59] <ali1234> the only thing that matters is if i am using one of the new themes
[17:59] <ali1234> i am in classic right now
[17:59] <lcb> ali1234, we all hope things get better on final.
[18:00] <ali1234> it has nothing to do with unity at all, although that has plenty of bugs of it's own
[18:00] <lcb> not bugs. this is beta stage.
[18:00] <lcb> one could call bugs. in my opinion those are not bugs but things being accommodated to usage/s
[18:01] <ali1234> freezing my whole computer for 1 second any time window focus changes is a design feature now?
[18:01] <lcb> after final we could classify it as bugs, if they'll continue
[18:01] <ali1234> actually, unity does have plenty of bugs in it
[18:01] <ali1234> especially relating to dual head mode
[18:02] <lcb> yeap, malfunctions as it is now
[18:02] <ali1234> for example, windows snap to the wrong screen, and the indicator acts very weird
[18:02] <lcb> yes
[18:02] <ali1234> you can't tell me those are design features either
[18:02] <lcb> ali1234, you sed... do you think ubuntu would launch a release without fixing that?
[18:02] <lcb> i hope not...
[18:02] <lcb> sed/see
[18:03] <ali1234> which one?
[18:03] <lcb> those
[18:03] <lcb> if u want..
[18:03] <ali1234> i very much expect unity to get launched with many bugs still present
[18:03] <ali1234> i don't really care either way, i can't use it
[18:04] <Staticlv> i just installed natty.  and the gnome desktop is there.  where is the unity desktop?
[18:04] <ali1234> you probably lack 3d acceleration
[18:04] <ali1234> although it is supposed to warn you in that case
[18:04] <ali1234> did you upgrade or clean install?
[18:04] <Staticlv> clean
[18:05] <Staticlv> well in a vm
[18:05] <ali1234> hmm
[18:05] <ali1234> make sure you  vm has 3d support i guess
[18:05] <ali1234> bbiab
[18:05] <lcb> ali1234, i have my own "complaints" about how things are going now. but i also understand this is still an ongoing testing/fixing stage. so i don't complain. if i really want to contribute in matter i believe not to much ppl are having them, then i'ld use the bugs repport.
[18:06] <lcb> Staticlv, fresh install?
[18:06] <lcb> fresh and clean.. i mean
[18:06] <Staticlv> lcb: yes just downloaded the beta 2 iso and installed
[18:07] <lcb> Staticlv, on vm there are some things to follow. there is a " how to " somewhere. not sure where :( i'll synk my bookmarks and then possible i'll find it and tell you.
[18:08] <Staticlv> lcb: i do have 3d acceleration checked for this machine.
[18:08] <lcb> i'm running a fresh installation, so, for instance about the browser, i didn't update it yet
[18:08] <lcb> Staticlv, is not enough
[18:09] <lcb> stick around and probably i'll find that url
[18:09] <lcb> give me some time pls.
[18:09] <lcb> like 3 moths
[18:09] <lcb> j/k
[18:09] <Staticlv> lcb: thank you.
[18:09] <Staticlv> i have time
[18:09] <lcb> moths= months
[18:10] <Staticlv> i have till april 2013 when 10.04 isn't supported anymore. hehe
[18:10] <lcb> :)
[18:10] <lcb> installing Xmarks...
[18:14] <nijabo> 12.04 is the next LTS?
[18:14] <lcb> still synchronizing bookmarks....
[18:16] <nijabo> How many do you got?
[18:16] <lcb> nijabo, bookmarks?
[18:17] <lcb> i have all bookmarks/urls, since the beginning of Internet up to the End of it, last page. "The end of Internet"
[18:17] <nijabo> Yes
[18:22] <lcb> Staticlv, i believe is this one ->  http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2011/04/21/ubuntu-natty-in-virtualbox-with-unity/
[18:23] <lcb> nijabo, about your first question, i'ld chech natty's site. see /topic
[18:26] <nijabo> About my question about the 12.04 being the next LTS?
[18:26] <lcb> yes
[18:26] <nijabo> Nvm, remembered 10.04 was the last one so two years from that is 12.04
[18:26] <nijabo> My logic prevailed
[18:28] <lcb> nijabo, i'm a regular ubuntu user and abuser. i don't use LTS. but the cycle of LTS conducts your logic to that and probably u're right, i mean, the logic.
[18:30] <Staticlv> I use 10.04LTS as my host os.  Then I have oracle vm to run windows because there are a few windows applications I have to use.  and with oracle I use that to test and checkout other os's
[18:31] <lcb> Staticlv, did you see the url i gave you?
[18:31] <Staticlv> lcb: looking at it now.  thank you.
[18:31] <lcb> :)
[18:32] <lcb> Staticlv, i did an installation of natty "on top" of natty, during alpha stages, just to test itand it went well. it seems things changed.
[18:33] <lcb> Staticlv, with vbox...
[18:34] <Staticlv> lcb: thank you for the info.  I will execute that plan and see how I do.
[18:35] <lcb> Staticlv, another approach... not sure if it is ok then.. http://www.webupd8.org/2011/04/virtualbox-ubuntu-1104-natty-narwhal.html
[18:36] <lcb> wait... that's only to install vbox.
[18:36] <lcb> for get it :)
[18:36] <lcb> forget it, i mean
[18:41] <Staticlv> lcb: that last url showed me there was a new version.  so it is usefull
[18:41] <lcb> Staticlv, ya, i've noticed that too
[18:47] <sveinse> You probably get this question all the time, but I'm have planned to upgrade my Ubuntu to Natty and I have spare time this easter. Are there any particular reason why I should not go ahead and install the latest iso?
[18:48] <lcb> sveinse, if it is to know what's going on with 11.04 it's ok. if that is in a production machine or the one you are using a lot with installed applications and data i would wait until 28th. my opinion.
[18:49] <shaggyoaf> Hi, everybody. I just installed Natty last night, and I can't figure out how to add more applets to my top-bar
[18:50] <shaggyoaf> like gnome-weather or system monitor
[18:50] <shaggyoaf> any hints?
[18:50] <sveinse> lcb: Thanks. It for my desktop machine (used for app development), so the term production is well a little ambigous. But I can live with occational broken package system, so I know what I'm heading into
[18:50] <lcb> shaggyoaf, not yet. i'm pretty sure after final release we all have a lot of tweaks and ways of doing it.
[18:51] <shaggyoaf> lcb, ooh, ok
[18:51] <shaggyoaf> fair enough. :)
[18:51] <shaggyoaf> BTW, if anybody in here has been working on the new look-and-feel, VERY nice job, this thing looks amazing
[18:51] <lcb> shaggyoaf, indeed.
[18:51] <commodore64th> It's awesome.
[18:51] <lcb> a couple corner to polish, still.
[18:51] <lcb> corners
[18:52] <shaggyoaf> My laptop screen is a touch screen
[18:52] <shaggyoaf> which makes this UI especially nice. :)
[18:52] <commodore64th> sweet
[18:52] <commodore64th> resistive?
[18:52] <shaggyoaf> everything on it just says, "touch me"
[18:52] <ali1234> shaggyoaf: you can't add things to the top panel
[18:52] <shaggyoaf> ali1234, Yeah, that's what lcb said
[18:52] <lcb> how are you dealing with that shaggyoaf ? my impression is this  release would be awesome for touchscreens.
[18:52] <commodore64th> is it resistive (stylus) or capacitive (fingers)?
[18:52] <shaggyoaf> ali1234, any word on if that's a design decision, or if it's just not done yet?
[18:52] <shaggyoaf> lcb, yeah, it's pretty great
[18:53] <ali1234> shaggyoaf: design decision
[18:53] <lcb> yeap
[18:53] <shaggyoaf> ali1234, oh, that's too bad :(
[18:53] <shaggyoaf> ali1234, so no more weather indicators on the desktop?
[18:53] <ali1234> right
[18:53] <shaggyoaf> ali1234, no more performance indicators?
[18:53] <ali1234> correct
[18:53] <lcb> i hope i'll get this on my PDA :)
[18:53] <ali1234> shaggyoaf: how do you use menus on a touchscreen?
[18:54] <mrdeb> ali1234: no, but you can either install conky or use classic gnome and its business as usual
[18:54] <robin0800> ali1234, both the above are available
[18:54] <shaggyoaf> ali1234, well, the pull-down menus are still easier to use with the mouse
[18:54] <ali1234> until 11.10
[18:54] <lcb> ali1234, natty's would facilitate that a lot. no tree menus
[18:54] <shaggyoaf> but the thing that appears when you do windows-space that has all the giant icons, that's great for a touch screen
[18:54] <lcb> shaggyoaf, you can still use pull down ones
[18:55] <lcb> shaggyoaf, just add to " Startup Applications " gnome-panel
[18:55] <commodore64th> I hate menues...
[18:55] <commodore64th> lol
[18:55] <lcb> i hate to hate :P
[18:55] <shaggyoaf> lcb, yeah, I can and do, I'm just saying they're still small, so my giant, stubby fingers have trouble with them on the touch screen, so it's still easier with the mouse and not the touch screen
[18:56] <freaky[t]> how do i use compizconfig-manager in ubuntu natty?
[18:56] <shaggyoaf> ali1234, can you help me with my gnome-vocabulary? What's the thing I keep wanting to add gnome applets to that I can no longer configure?
[18:56] <ali1234> gnome-panel
[18:57] <ali1234> i dunno what it's called in unity
[18:57] <shaggyoaf> ali1234, thx
[18:57] <shaggyoaf> what's the new window manager?
[18:57] <lcb> freaky[t], better wait 5 more days to change defaults.. things are still changing
[18:57] <shaggyoaf> it's not metacity anymore, is it?
[18:57] <ali1234> compiz
[18:57] <shaggyoaf> ...oh, really? compiz is the whole manager?
[18:57] <ali1234> yes
[18:57] <freaky[t]> lcb: but my screen is very laggy
[18:57] <shaggyoaf> didn't it used to be that you ran compiz on top of something else?
[18:57] <ali1234> unity is a compiz plugin
[18:57] <freaky[t]> it's compiz i think
[18:57] <ali1234> freaky[t]: try changing the theme
[18:58] <lcb> yea
[18:58] <ali1234> freaky[t]: ie change from amiance to clearlooks
[18:58] <freaky[t]> not hat wont help i need to change compiz stuff
[18:58] <ali1234> how do you know?
[18:58] <ali1234> it makes a big differrence for me
[18:58] <ali1234> compiz is really laggy because ambiance has those huge drop shadows
[18:59] <freaky[t]> no i have a really good graphics card
[18:59] <ali1234> so do i
[18:59] <mrdeb> its laggy even with fast gpu
[18:59] <ali1234> yes
[18:59] <sveinse> OOI: Have Ubuntu ever considered (or does it exist) making a small installer CD (20-50Mb) which relies solely on downloading the debs?
[18:59] <shaggyoaf> ali1234, so is there a mailing list where they were discussing the gnome-panel decision?
[18:59] <shaggyoaf> ali1234, I'm curious about the reasoning
[19:00] <freaky[t]> no this is caused by somethign else on my laptop which is slower everything works smoothly
[19:00] <mrdeb> what decision
[19:00] <ali1234> shaggyoaf: most of it is on random bug comments on launchpad by mark shuttleworth
[19:00] <commodore64th> Hey... is a Radeon x1300 series card any good?
[19:00] <Staticlv> lcb:  thanks for the info.  everything is working now.
[19:00] <mrdeb> commodore64th: yes
[19:00] <shaggyoaf> mrdeb, apparently we can no longer customize which widgets appear in the gnome panel
[19:00] <commodore64th> Well, mine is broken ;?
[19:00] <commodore64th> ;/
[19:00] <lcb> Staticlv, :)
[19:00] <mrdeb> yes, you cant
[19:00] <mrdeb> unless you use classic gnome
[19:00] <ali1234> sveinse: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[19:01] <shaggyoaf> mrdeb, I'm disappointed by that because there are two in particular that aren't included that I really like
[19:01] <deadhead> shaggyoaf,  you can
[19:01] <mrdeb> weather
[19:01] <deadhead> just run gnome-panel at startup
[19:01] <mrdeb> oh really
[19:01] <ali1234> why not go one step further, and run gnome-panel, and not run unity?
[19:01] <mrdeb> will it run at the bottom
[19:01] <deadhead> yea
[19:01] <ali1234> then you'll be using classic desktop
[19:01] <freaky[t]> where do i change from few compiz effects to many compiz effects wasnt this in appearance before? it isnt anymore ... i need to change this does anyone know?
[19:01] <shaggyoaf> deadhead, Oh, ok. I see that.
[19:02] <mrdeb> freaky[t]: you have to install compiz settings manager
[19:02] <shaggyoaf> deadhead, trouble is, that'll disappear in the next release, then I'm right back here
[19:02] <deadhead> shaggyoaf,  you can type it now in terminal
[19:02] <shaggyoaf> deadhead, yeah, I just did it. :)
[19:02] <shaggyoaf> deadhead, it also killed off the new-hotness of the UI, and I like that a lot
[19:03] <deadhead> shaggyoaf,  i added the command to startup thatway an open terminal does not run
[19:03] <lcb> CSM - but probably you'll comeback here with probs...
[19:03] <deadhead> i read about this on webupd8.org
[19:04] <shaggyoaf> ooh, I think I'm starting to understand
[19:04] <shaggyoaf> There are a collection of things that *look* like applets on the gnome-panel
[19:04] <shaggyoaf> er
[19:04] <shaggyoaf> that are *not* on the gnome-panel
[19:04] <mrdeb> oh i see
[19:04] <shaggyoaf> and the reason I thought I was able to add to that collection is that gnome-panel lives next to them
[19:05] <coz_> shaggyoaf,  could I see a screenshot of that?
[19:05] <shaggyoaf> so the things like the power-manager, bluetooth icon, volume, date/time, etc
[19:05] <coz_> ah
[19:05] <shaggyoaf> what are those called?
[19:05] <ali1234> indicators
[19:05] <robin0800> shaggyoaf, you can add indicators to the panel
[19:05] <mrdeb> indicator applets
[19:05] <deadhead> indcator apps
[19:05] <shaggyoaf> aah, ok
[19:05] <deadhead> lol
[19:05] <coz_> shaggyoaf,  yep  :)
[19:05] <shaggyoaf> so what I need is to find (or make) a weather indicator app
[19:06] <coz_> shaggyoaf, right click the panel   Add to panel and scroll down the list for the sever indicator applets
[19:06] <commodore64th> My x1300 crashes whenever using opengl.
[19:06] <commodore64th> and used to work.
[19:06] <shaggyoaf> coz_, that's if you're using gnome-panel
[19:06] <shaggyoaf> coz_, the default unity config doesn't use it
[19:06] <coz_> shaggyoaf,  ah  unity
[19:06] <shaggyoaf> coz_, and I really like that, it's much cleaner
[19:06] <robin0800> shaggyoaf, look at omg!ubuntu! for a complete list
[19:06] <lcb> coz_, you are talking about gnome panel, isn't?
[19:06] <shaggyoaf> robin0800, list of indicators?
[19:07] <robin0800> shaggyoaf, yes
[19:07] <shaggyoaf> robin0800, cool. :)
[19:07] <shaggyoaf> robin0800, I'm not sure what that is, is it a website?
[19:07] <coz_> shaggyoaf,    http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/
[19:07] <shaggyoaf> coz_, oh, thanks. :)
[19:08] <robin0800> shaggyoaf, http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/01/the-omg-guide-to-must-have-indicator-applets/
[19:08] <shaggyoaf> robin0800, aah, nice. :)
[19:09] <mrdeb> can they rename that website please
[19:09] <mrdeb> its awful
[19:09] <deadhead> shaggyoaf, heres the ppa: for weather indcator app an article on it, http://www.webupd8.org/2011/01/weather-indicator-lives-on-gets-new-ppa.html
[19:15] <shaggyoaf> awesome, everybody. That tells me what I need to know
[19:15] <shaggyoaf> thank you so much. :)
[19:16] <shaggyoaf> kinda seems like indicators are a more elegant design than applets
[19:16] <deadhead> there are many available under gnomw in synapting also
[19:16] <deadhead> gnomew
[19:16] <deadhead> gnome
[19:17] <deadhead> lol
[19:19] <deadhead> cant wait for Mint to release MintDebian with gnom 3 shell
[19:19] <deadhead> e
[19:20] <deadhead> i really think ubuntu should have stuck with gnome
[19:22] <mrdeb> deadhead: when is that comign
[19:22] <deadhead> not shure
[19:23] <mrdeb> oh
[19:23] <deadhead> the new LinuxMint-11 Katya (expected May 2011) will not be following Ubutnu and Unity , but will still be using Gnome.
[19:24] <mrdeb> in mya
[19:25] <MadCarburetor> Hello
[19:25] <deadhead> the new LinuxMint-11 Katya (expected May 2011) will not be following Ubutnu and Unity , but will still be using Gnome.
[19:25] <deadhead> hi
[19:25] <mrdeb> i wish debian would refresh cd one with gnome 3
[19:25] <MadCarburetor> How do i Calibrate my laptop monitor in Ubuntu 11.04
[19:28] <deadhead> try google?
[19:28] <Logan_> !google | deadhead
[19:28] <deadhead> eeee gat
[19:29] <deadhead> just lettin the fellow know i dont know
[19:29] <deadhead> sheesh
[19:29] <deadhead> least if respoded
[19:29] <deadhead> xs
[19:31] <deadhead> !google | Logan_
[19:31] <deadhead> hehe
[19:32] <mrdeb> yes and dont use google
[19:32] <mrdeb> use shmoogle
[19:32] <deadhead> theres also scroogle.org
[19:33] <deadhead> pulls results from google for you
[19:33] <boritek> Hello. I upgraded to (64bit) natty but I cant use Unity, it always fall back to gnome2 with binary driver and also without it. My driver version: 270.41.06. Seemingly there is no compositing. Docky complaining about it. Any idea?
[19:34] <boritek> i have nvidia driver
[19:35] <deadhead> sheesh im on ATi
[19:37] <deadhead> boritek, can you use ubuntu tweak to install the driver?
[19:38] <bjsnider> boritek, you're not actually using the nvidia driver
[19:39] <BluesKaj> boritek, which nvidia card?
[19:39] <boritek> GeForce Go 7300
[19:39] <boritek> deadhead: i used the official driver from repo
[19:40] <BluesKaj> have you chosen the rec'd driver in jockey?
[19:40] <bjsnider> boritek, what do you get when you run glxinfo in a terminal?
[19:40] <boritek> BluesKaj: yes i clicked it in Joceky
[19:41] <boritek> bjsnider: which info are u curios about? direct rendering?
[19:41] <bjsnider> opengl string
[19:42] <boritek> OpenGL renderer string: GeForce Go 7300/PCI/SSE2
[19:42] <boritek> this one?
[19:43] <bjsnider> version string
[19:43] <boritek> OpenGL version string: 2.1.2 NVIDIA 270.41.06
[19:43] <bjsnider> can you run glxgears?
[19:43] <boritek> yes
[19:44] <bjsnider> then you don't have a driver issue
[19:44] <boritek> i can even run 0A.D game
[19:44] <bjsnider> so don't bugger around with your graphics setup
[19:44] <boritek> then maybe its a compiz issue?
[19:45] <boritek> when i try to log in into 'Ubuntu' i fall back to metacity and gnome2 instead compiz+unity
[19:45] <nijabo> Wonder if Ubuntu Tweak will give us more Unity customization options
[19:45] <bjsnider> what if you do compiz --replace right now?
[19:45] <boritek> i tried it already
[19:46] <bjsnider> run it from a console and observe the error message
[19:46] <boritek> then i get a unity screen which is not usable, i cant click on anything
[19:46] <boritek> mouse works, but it kinda freezing
[19:46] <boritek> graphically
[19:46] <boritek> i can switch to the terminal
[19:49] <nijabo> Hia KM0201
[19:50] <KM0201> nijabo: hi?
[19:50] <nijabo> Did I mention I managed to sort out the wireless problems I had in Natty?
[19:50] <KM0201> i don't really recall your issue to be truthful.. what was wrong?
[19:51] <boritek> with compiz --replace i dont get really any error message
[19:52] <nijabo> Oh, nvm then
[19:52] <boritek> i dont get unity either but the screen is freezing on the graphical desktop session
[19:52] <KM0201> nijabo: well, i'm still interested, i try to keep track of this stuff
[19:53] <KM0201> what device was it?
[19:54] <boritek> bjsnider: all error-like message was: count find perfekt decorator... starting unity-decorator
[19:54] <boritek> and then freezing
[19:54] <BluesKaj> nijabo, it's good to know which wifi chip and how you solved your prob :)
[19:54] <nijabo> Uh I just reset my routed and remade the network
[19:55] <nijabo> Then it managed to find it
[19:56] <boritek> should Unity work with the nvidia open source nouveau driver?
[19:57] <boritek> or Ubuntu shifted to a binary dirver only solution?
[19:57] <BluesKaj> boritek, only if it provides 3D and Dir
[19:58] <boritek> but nauveau doesnt provide 3d yet, right?
[19:58] <BluesKaj> doubt it
[19:58] <KM0201> nijabo: oh.. what was yoru wireless device?
[19:59] <bjsnider> boritek, it does it you install the libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental package
[19:59] <bjsnider> depending on your hardware
[20:02] <boritek> well if i run Unity from the terminal I got this error message: couldnt find unity-panel-service
[20:02] <boritek> or something similar (not english version here)
[20:03] <nijabo> 01:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY (rev 01)
[20:04] <bjsnider> boritek, i assume you've searched on launchpad for bugs resembling what's happening to you and come up empty?
[20:05] <boritek> i searched on google
[20:05] <boritek> i have only libgl-mesa-glx
[20:05] <boritek> should i install -experimental?
[20:06] <jhjessup> CRAP NOTICES SNOTES CTCPS JOINS PARTS QUITS KICKS MODES WALLOPS NICKS DCC DCCMSGS CLIENTNOTICES CLIENTCRAP CLIENTERRORS HILIGHTS
[20:06] <boritek> i meant: i have libgl-mesa-dri (but not ligl-mesa-dri-experimental). Should i install the latter?
[20:07] <jhjessup> Oops.
[20:08] <benni_> Hi there. Is there a way to use middle click scrolling with the new scrollbar?
[20:09] <jhjessup> That's probably going to be an xserver configuration setting. I don't use middle-button scrolling, but I see a lot of references to it on Thinkpad sites.
[20:10] <benni_> uhm no, you cant use it because there is no visible scrollbar anymore in nautilus e.g.
[20:11] <benni_> nowhere to click I mean
[20:11] <jhjessup> I guess I misunderstood the question. What are you trying to do?
[20:11] <benni_> or I'm blind ;)
[20:11] <benni_> you can scroll to a specific position when middleclicking on the scrollbar
[20:11] <jhjessup> Got it. Didn't know that.
[20:12] <mongy> any suggestions for a decent replacement for netspeed since unity renders it useless
[20:12] <benni_> jhjessup, when you're used to this you miss it when being on windows ;) but now I miss it in nautilus as well :/
[20:13] <benni_> but I also like the new small scrollbar ;)
[20:13] <BluesKaj> boritek, well if it doesn't do what you want you can always remove it.
[20:13] <bjsnider> boritek, what card did you say you have?
[20:15] <BluesKaj> GeForce Go 7300
[20:15] <bjsnider> i think he's looking at bug 728745
[20:16] <boritek> bjsnider: GeForce Go 7300
[20:17] <bjsnider> boritek, from the looks of that bug you're going to have more luck using nvidia-173 than nvidia-current
[20:17] <bjsnider> but read through it
[20:18] <boritek> yeah, i read it trough
[20:18] <boritek> tx for the tip
[20:19] <bjsnider> it's an unfortunate result of having crappy hardware
[20:20] <nijabo> gvim launcher does not work in 11.04 :/
[20:20] <nijabo> it just pulse and then it doesnt launch the program
[20:21] <boritek> bjsnider: why should it be a crappy hardware? Maverick and all others worked great so far..
[20:21] <boritek> it sould be only a bug
[20:21] <BluesKaj> boritek, go nvidias are on laptps, right ?
[20:21] <bjsnider> support for that old junk is dwindling
[20:22] <boritek> BluesKaj: yeah it is a laptop
[20:23] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, I have 7600gt on my other desktop and i wouldn't consider it junk
[20:24] <BluesKaj> running natty
[20:24] <boritek> my laptop is about 3 years old, thats not too old
[20:24] <boritek> and all in all its pretty good
[20:25] <torchie> mine's got a go nvidia :(
[20:25] <bjsnider> well, the 7k hardware was superseded by the 8k, the 9k, and gt2k, the gt4k, and now the gt5k
[20:26] <bjsnider> so that looks like 5 generations out of date. also, starting with the 8k and beyond you get vdpau
[20:26] <bjsnider> if all you want is basic 3d, old stuff is fine.
[20:27] <bjsnider> and the 7k cards were already several generations out of date 3 years ago. careful where you buy computers.
[20:27] <BluesKaj> not all need to keep fancy cards installed if video etc is all that one needs ...for gamers I suppose it's different
[20:29] <bjsnider> well, you also get opengl 3.3 with the 8k and beyond, and opengl 4 with the gt4xx and beyond
[20:30] <bjsnider> if all you want is basic compositing you don't need anything special for that. junky intel graphics is enough
[20:30] <bjsnider> ehhh, throw ati in there too
[20:31] <boritek> so which hardware you think is the best for linux at the moment?
[20:34] <boritek> Otherwise I'm a bit lost in ATI-Nvidia question too, because ATI was traditionally the worst option, but nowadays AMD supports linux better, even the open source one and also with documentations while NVIDIA refuses to support the opensource drivers
[20:34] <bjsnider> but nvidia has had working linux drivers longer than anyone
[20:34] <bjsnider> "best" is a subjective term
[20:35] <bjsnider> i suppose if you want opengl/compositing performance, a gtx 570 or something outrageously expensive like that
[20:36] <bjsnider> i wanted no noise from the card, so i use a gt210
[20:36] <bjsnider> wihtout issue i might add. no crashes ever
[20:36] <ali1234> what about performance though?
[20:36] <bjsnider> performance is on the low end for an nvidia card. faster than onboard intel
[20:36] <bjsnider> and i have vpdau feature set c
[20:37] <ali1234> i have a gt240 and with light-themes it's pretty much unusable
[20:37] <bjsnider> a gt 240 should work just fine. and i am using light themes
[20:37] <bjsnider> your card is better than mine. you should have no trouble running unity
[20:37] <ali1234> it works ok as long as i don't run any apps that use 3d acceleration
[20:38] <ali1234> if i run something that uses opengl (such as glxgears) then the whole user interface becomes very slow
[20:38] <ali1234> it also triggers the problem with firefox and launchpad
[20:38] <ali1234> you know, the one where the subscriber list takes 10 seconds to render and freezes up firefox for that time
[20:39] <bjsnider> firefox is just about the last browser anyone should use on linux
[20:39] <ali1234> does tha go for light-themes too?
[20:41] <bjsnider> do you run glxgears in the background all the time for some reason?
[20:41] <ali1234> no, but i run games in the background all the time
[20:41] <ali1234> but games aren't supported (not in the repos)
[20:41] <ali1234> so i demonstrate the bug with glxgears
[20:41] <ali1234> i also run things like blender
[20:42] <bjsnider> what is the bug number?
[20:42] <ali1234> bug 769605
[20:42] <ali1234> i haven't finished adding information yet though
[20:42] <bjsnider> i don't understand running games in the background. you're not even playing them?
[20:42] <ali1234> going to make a video demonstrating the issue
[20:43] <ali1234> bjsnider: the thing is, i *am* playing it, because i have dual head
[20:43] <ali1234> i can play the game on one monitor, while being on irc on the other monitor
[20:43] <ali1234> except i can't, because running the game makes the whole UI unusable
[20:44] <ali1234> or if i'm playing the game and i get an email i can quickly switch to another desktop and check that
[20:44] <ali1234> except i can't, because the whole UI is unusable
[20:44] <ali1234> note that the game itself runs fine
[20:44] <ali1234> also with unity i can't do this anyway because there's no way to inteact with the launcher or the desktop switcher when you're running something fullscreen
[20:45] <ali1234> - bug 769331
[20:45] <ali1234> but the problem with light-themes happens in unity *and* classic
[20:46] <ali1234> i suspect bug 760814 is a dupe, that's why i set it incomplete and asked them to try a different theme
[20:48] <bjsnider> ali1234, any theme other than light-themes and everything works fine?
[20:49] <ali1234> yes
[20:50] <ali1234> i am fairly certain it has something to do with the HUGE drop shadows
[20:51] <ubuntuguy> How can I access the firefox global menu extension so I can add it to kompozer, where is it located?
[20:56] <trism> ubuntuguy: /usr/lib/firefox-addons/extensions/globalmenu@ubuntu.com/ ?
[20:56] <ubuntuguy> Where do I put that in?
[20:56] <trism> ubuntuguy: I don't know what you're trying to do
[20:57] <ubuntuguy> You know the add-on for firefox 4, the ubuntu 11.04 global menu add-on?
[20:57] <trism> ubuntuguy: yes
[20:58] <ali1234> bjsnider: actually i wouldn't say "everything works fine" but there is a significant difference in speed
[20:58] <ubuntuguy> Well, I want to find out where it is so I can also add the extension to kompozer
[20:58] <ali1234> bjsnider: with any other theme, it's a little slow as i would expect running a heavy 3d app, with light-themes it goes from "a bit slow" to "totally unusable"
[20:59] <trism> ubuntuguy: dpkg -L firefox-globalmenu;
[21:00] <ubuntuguy> Where do I put this in?
[21:04] <ali1234> is there a way to turn off those drop shadows?
[21:05] <ali1234> the only thing i can see on google is "replace it with a fully transparent png"
[21:05] <ali1234> but that won't improve the time it takes to render it
[21:09] <trism> ali1234: you can edit the theme and remove them
[21:10] <trism> ali1234: set the radius to 0 in the shadow tags in metacity-1/metacity-theme-1.xml
[21:14] <BluesKaj> I have a 8400gs on this pc , which was unusable on my older single core amd venice 3200+ machine and associated MoBo HW. I swapped a 7600gt into the older pc and installled 8400gs in this newer but still low dual core amd 5200+ cpu and associated HW etc
[21:15] <BluesKaj> that was on 10.04 , Now both pcs run fine on natty
[21:15] <ubuntuguy> So in ubuntu 11.04, firefox 4 has global menu support because of an add-on created by one of our community members. Kompozer is closely related to firefox therefore, the global menu should work on kompozer. Can someone tell me where I can find the firefox 4 global menu add-on so I can add it to kompozer, where on my computer can I find it?  If anything, can you also explain to me how to apply it, or walk me through the whole proce
[21:17] <trism> ubuntuguy: it does not work, or at least, you'd need to edit it somehow (I just tried it)
[21:17] <ubuntuguy> Aw, but just for reference, can you tell me where you found the file?
[21:17] <ali1234> trism: ok tried it, it doesn't help
[21:18] <trism> ali1234: doesn't help with the shadows removed, or the shadows still appear?
[21:19] <ali1234> trism: the former
[21:19] <trism> ubuntuguy: I copied the extension directory to ~/.kompozer.net/kompozer/random_profile_name/extensions, it shows up in the addons menu, but says not compatible with kompozer 0.8b3 (and I know very little about firefox extensions, so it wouldn't be an easy fix for me at the moment)
[21:21] <nothingspecial> Touchpad/trackpad doesn't work anymore. Tried libutouch-frame1.
[21:22] <ali1234> uploading video to youtube now
[21:22] <ubuntuguy> Thanks trism
[21:22] <ubuntuguy> I don't get it through, it's powered by mozilla
[21:23] <ali1234> ff extensions have a field in the xml file that declares what it is compatible with
[21:23] <ali1234> it is usually set very conservatively
[21:23] <ali1234> you can hack the xml to remove the limitation and try it
[21:23] <ali1234> no guarantees it will work though, but they often do
[21:24] <ubuntuguy> :O
[21:24] <ali1234> one possibility: http://lifehacker.com/#!355973/make-your-extensions-work-with-the-firefox-35
[21:24] <ali1234> another possibility by hacking the xpi: http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/11869/hack-extension-files-to-make-them-version-compatible-for-firefox/
[21:25] <ali1234> anyway this goes for mozilla versions, dunno if it will work for something more different like komposer
[21:28] <ubuntuguy> Ubuntu needs to get it's global menu system right...
[21:33] <lcb> wb yofel, good evening
[21:34] <yofel> hi lcb
[21:35] <Omega> ubuntuguy: Is there an equivalent of about:config in kompozer?
[21:38] <Omega> Or an equivalent of this plugin: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/add-on-compatibility-reporter/
[21:38] <yofel> hm, everyones usb HDDs work fine? mine's giving me:
[21:38] <yofel> [   84.000027] usb 6-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2
[21:38] <yofel> [   99.120041] usb 6-1: device descriptor read/64, error -110
[21:38] <lcb> Omega, that's an add-on for kompozer, afaik
[21:39] <ubuntuguy> Let me check
[21:40] <ubuntuguy> Where is it usually located?
[21:40] <nothingspecial> Touchpad/trackpad doesn't work anymore. Tried libutouch-frame1.
[21:41] <lcb> ubuntuguy, http://addons.kompozer.net
[21:41] <ubuntuguy> What am I looking for icb?
[21:41] <sebsebseb> hi
[21:43] <lcb> ubuntuguy, about:config. Enables access to all hidden preferences. download. Author: ? Version: 1.8.1.20; Compatibility: KompoZer 0.8+
[21:44] <ubuntuguy> From there, what do Ido?
[21:45] <lcb> ubuntuguy, so you want to tweak the hidden config settings but... don't know how to install add-ons?! :p
[21:46] <ubuntuguy> No, I want to integrate the menu bar to the panel
[21:46] <ubuntuguy> ANd
[21:46] <ubuntuguy> I know firefox uses a menu bar created by a community member
[21:46] <lcb> ubuntuguy, sorry, need glasses, that's for Omega :)
[21:46] <ubuntuguy> so I want to use that add-on for kompozer since it's for mozilla
[21:46] <ubuntuguy> Pardon me?
[21:47] <lcb> Omega, asked for "equivalent of about:config in kompozer"
[21:48] <Omega> Indeed I did
[21:48] <lcb> ubuntuguy, and your nick in the lines confused me.
[21:49] <ubuntuguy> Oh, ok
[21:49] <lcb> Omega, check that link
[21:49] <lcb> hm
[21:49] <Omega> lcb: It's for him :P
[21:49] <ubuntuguy> Do you have any idea anyways on how to add globalmenu support for kompozer?
[21:50] <Omega> ubuntuguy: Just a minute, I'm asking the KompoZer devs.
[21:50] <ubuntuguy> COol, thanks
[21:51] <lcb> Omega, my bad. it's ok. is done :p
[21:51] <ubuntuguy> lol
[21:53] <nijabo> Anyone here use GVim in Natty?
[21:55] <lcb> yofel, let me plug a 1.5 TB from Memup (usb) i have here to check if anything's wrong, today
[21:55] <yofel> nijabo: rarely but yes
[21:55] <lcb> last night were ok..
[21:55] <misterme> how do you remove applications from the list of installed applications?
[21:55] <nijabo> You got the launcher icon to work with the launcher?
[21:55] <nijabo> I get a big gray question mark
[21:56] <yofel> hm, I rarely use the PC it's connected to so it could be an issue with the -8 kernel, need to test an older one when I have time
[21:56] <lcb> yofel, it loads fine, no errors. 2  partitions.
[21:56] <yofel> nijabo: ah, I use KDE so no idea there, sorry
[21:56] <nijabo> Ah
[21:56] <nijabo> When I start gvim from the terminal with gvim & then lock the launcher to the "dock"
[21:56] <nijabo> I can't use that icon to launch it later
[21:57] <nijabo> Suppose I should make my own launcher
[21:58] <trickysse> I just installed the latest 11.04 beta... couple of things I noted; ui is a bit choppier than previous compiz / gnome config (have hardware acceleration, but still feels clunky), and also the ui isn't consistent... it seems some of the panels show the default theme, others revert to default gtk. What's up with the latter?
[21:58] <yofel> could be since /usr/bin/gvim is a symlink, copy /usr/share/applications/gvim.desktop and try to modify it
[21:59] <nijabo> cheers
[21:59] <yofel> /usr/bin/vim.gtk or vim.gnome should be the actual executable
[22:00] <Omega> ubuntuguy: The developer will look into it and see if it is feasible with the current branch (0.8), but it might require the enxt branch (0.9). KompoZer 0.9 is built on Firefox 4, which should make it easier to adapt such an addon.
[22:00] <Omega> next*
[22:00] <ubuntuguy> So, I should install the most recent version?
[22:01] <Omega> ubuntuguy: I say, live with the normal menu for while, you'll likely see a global menu soon :)
[22:01] <Omega> The developer is also a happy ubuntu user :)
[22:02] <ubuntuguy> Alright, thanks for the help omega, hopefully they'll get it up soon, how can I check for updates?
[22:03] <Omega> I think he'll send the patch to the firefox and thunderbird globalmenu package, so you'll magically see the global menu appear one day
[22:03] <Omega> If you'd like an update, you could ask me and I'll relay the questions for you.
[22:03] <Omega> I'm familiar with the developer networks over at Mozilla.
[22:03] <ubuntuguy> Cool, thanks man, your the greatest
[22:04] <Omega> No problem!
[22:04] <ubuntuguy> He did say that he's working on it though right
[22:04] <Omega> He's not working on it right now, he didn't update to Natty yet
[22:05] <ubuntuguy> Oh right, so I'm guessing when he updates he'll get to it, thanks man again
[22:05] <deadhead> bash: ./configure: No such file or directory
[22:06] <deadhead> why does it tell me that when im statring right at the file in natilus
[22:06] <deadhead> staring
[22:06] <yofel> where are you executing that?
[22:06] <deadhead> home folder
[22:06] <yofel> do you have a configure file in your home folder?
[22:06] <deadhead> yes
[22:06] <yofel> is it actually executable?
[22:07] <deadhead> yes
[22:07] <yofel> then I don't get what the problem is either...
[22:07] <deadhead> driving me nutz
[22:07] <deadhead> hehe
[22:10] <trickysse> DAE have inconsistent gnome panels with the latest 11.04 beta
[22:13] <nothingspecial> Touchpad/trackpad doesn't work anymore. Tried libutouch-frame1.
[22:13] <Oday> i just installed phpmyadmin
[22:14] <Oday> with "sudo apt-get install phpmyadmin", and at the prompt, i chose apache2, and at the "Configure database with commondb-config" i chose No
[22:14] <Oday> and i can't access phpmyadmin through "localhost/phpmyadmin"
[22:15] <Oday> dbconfig-common, i mean
[22:17] <Oday> hmm
[22:19] <aguitel> i have ubuntu 10.04 installed ,how upgrade to natty ?
[22:19] <Pici> aguitel: You'll need to upgrade to 10.10 first.
[22:20] <Pici> aguitel: Then follow the instructions in the topoc
[22:20] <aguitel> Pici, and with cd live beta2 with upgrade option ?
[22:20] <Pici> aguitel: Sure.
[22:21] <aguitel> Pici, this option upgrade from 10.04 to 11.04 ?
[22:22] <Pici> aguitel: No. You need to upgrade to 10.10 by any means first. Then from 10.10 you can use the live CD to upgrade
[22:23] <aguitel> Pici,  a ok
[22:25] <trickysse> Another issue with 11.04, glxgears doesn't work right. It only 'updates' the display when I move the mouse? Anyone see anything like this before?
[22:27] <deadhead> yea, i been trying to make/install google gadgets
[22:28] <deadhead> the maverick deb gives me unmet dedpend
[22:30] <deadhead> Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: libggadget-1.0-0b (>= 0.11.2)
[22:30] <aguitel> Pici, is natty more faster than 10.04 in the same pc?
[22:31] <deadhead> whats libgadget?
[22:31] <yofel> deadhead: google gadget and libraries was dropped in natty, so not installable
[22:31] <yofel> you could try to install the maverick libggadget package
[22:31] <histo> hrm.. If I drag a launcher like terminal to the dock, I can't right click and open new window like other launchers
[22:32] <histo> There's no way to open multiple instances
[22:33] <deadhead> it will never be supported in natty yofel?
[22:34] <yofel> deadhead: it was dropped as "unsupportable" - bug 741964
[22:35] <aguitel> is natty more faster than 10.04 in the same pc?
[22:37] <histo> aguitel: probably a little slower running compiz unity etc...
[22:38] <aguitel> histo, compiz+unity ?
[22:38] <yofel> unity uses compiz, unless you install unity-2d
[22:38] <histo> aguitel: yes
[22:38] <aguitel> ok
[22:38] <histo> aguitel: GUI seems a little slower to me. but still getting used to it.
[22:39] <aguitel> histo, this old pc ,pentium 4 2gz with 512 ram memory
[22:39] <aguitel> motherborad from 2004
[22:40] <histo> aguitel: you could always download the live CD and check it out
[22:41] <aguitel> histo, i will do
[22:41] <aguitel> now
[22:41] <kingfishr> Any chance someone could help me troubleshoot non-working S/PDIF output? It stopped working between 10.04 -> 11.04 upgrade. Analog output from the same device works. I've tried most of the things top google results suggest (e.g. my alsamixer settings are fine).
[22:42] <mongy> ack, they moved it.. its ctrl alt F8 now
[23:47] <TLF> hello there
[23:48] <TLF> using a nvidia integrated sound card, I heard a weird sound if using the back panel, but sound is correct when using the front panel, can anyone help me??
[23:51] <penguin42> TLF: I can't suggest much , but on Sound Preferences Hardware tab, check which Profile is selected
[23:51] <penguin42> heck, I don't like these new scroll bars
[23:51] <TLF> penguin42: that was the first one I tried with no luck :( I checked almost all, but I think the correct is Analog.Duplex
[23:54] <penguin42> TLF: You could see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems if any of that helps
[23:55] <TLF> lol
[23:55] <TLF> solved now
[23:55] <TLF> penguin42: thanks for your help :)
[23:55] <penguin42> np
[23:55] <penguin42> what was it?
[23:55] <TLF> well, as this channel is logged, solution is:
[23:56] <TLF> go to a console, and run "alsamixer"
[23:56] <TLF> then, change "Channel mode" from "6 ch" to "2 ch"
[23:57] <penguin42> interesting, I'd assumed that was what the profile did
[23:58] <TLF> in fact this is not the first time this happens to me
[23:58] <TLF> but I never remember how to solve it
[23:58] <TLF> :)