tags? [18:56] cool peppe84__ , thanks for the patches [18:56] mdke: good question. i don't believe so. [18:56] net-chat-skype.page:17: element p: Relax-NG validity error : Expecting element section, got p [18:56] shaunm: any ideas? [18:58] no, cancel that [18:58] it's just a very bad error message from xmllint [18:58] not according to the validation thing [18:59] mdke: I had that problem earlier, I moved a comment to a different location [19:01] jbicha: I had invited a tag :) But it was nothing to do with the error message, it was way down at the end of the document [19:01] yeah, um, you'll often see the message "expecting element ..., got ..." [19:01] yeah, the comment was at the bottom of the page, which I didn't think should be wrong... [19:02] you should read that as "something around that element, or maybe way before it, or possibly way after it, is invalid in some way or another, which I'm not telling you about" [19:03] shaunm: that's about right. The error messages are much more cryptic than with docbook [19:04] well, more accurately, xmllint's rng error messages are more cryptic than its dtd error messages [19:04] if you validated docbook 5 against its rng, you'd find it equally as frustrating [19:05] * mdke nods [19:05] i have heard that 'jing' is better at validating xml that is based on a relaxng schema than xmllint. installing it pulls in a lot of java-related dependencies, though. [19:06] i obviously haven't used it much, though. [19:06] jing does tend to have better error messages [19:24] Why don't we just link to the MD5SUMS files on this page - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes [19:24] seems a lot easier than manually adding the hashes [19:25] we can also remove the unsupported versions [19:26] (was just looking at bug 729609) [19:27] Launchpad bug 729609 in ubuntu-docs "The UbuntuHashes page (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes) does not have the Kubuntu/Xubuntu 10.04.2 hashes" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/729609 [19:28] Latest design blog says "top menu bar": http://design.canonical.com/2011/04/unity-benchmark-usability-april-2011/ [19:29] jbicha: we'll do it live! top menu bar panel. [19:30] jbicha: i am fixing to do what phil bull suggested... ask strangers what they would call it. [19:30] top menu bar is kind of cute since we're calling the indicators menus anyway [19:32] my wife says "menu bar", but "I'm not going to call it nothing", lol [19:41] j1mc: I like "top menu bar panel" [19:41] Rocket2DMn: because they are not hosted on an https server [19:41] Rocket2DMn: (re Hashes) [19:41] remember that when we asked strangers about the top bar in gnome, we got pretty much a 50/50 split between "top bar" and "top panel" [19:42] panel sounds redundant to me if you throw in the word bar [19:42] mdke, fair enough [19:43] I still like the idea of teaching people terminology [19:43] mdke, what do i need to change in order to do an "official" build of the docs that could be deployed to h.u.c? I found the change for draft.mode, but it seems like something else is missing, the diff is still too large [19:44] it looks like a value is off, using 10.04 instead of 10.10 (building the maverick branch) [19:44] Rocket2DMn: I can't think of anything offhand, but will be working on html builds over the coming days [19:45] i think i found it actually [19:45] the ubuntu-banner.xsl is still referencing 10.04 [19:45] i guess when you built the maverick docs to huc, you didnt commit that - they are correct in the huc branch, just not in maverick ubuntu-docs [19:47] looks like there is also a css style in the html files for draft stuff that shouldnt be there [19:48] mdke: but we're making up the terminology as we go, panel doesn't really mean anything in particular in Unity or Gnome Shell [19:50] teaching people "indicators" is probably good but the Design names are usually like "Me Menu" or "Session Menu" anyway [19:51] jbicha: if there is no terminology to teach, obviously we can't do that. But people will understand both "top panel" and "top bar", regardless of whether they think of one or the other when first asked about it [19:52] jbicha: but I/'m in favour of teaching them the terminology of the "Me Menu" and so on because the design people choose the names on purpose and users will read about them elsewhere on the internet [19:52] hmm, dont seem to be getting alerts from the maverick branch, its sending emails or attaching to bug reports [19:52] its not* [19:53] j1mc, jbicha - do we have anything about using gwibber from the Me or Messaging Menus? [19:54] mdke: i don't think so. [19:54] the folks from the vancouver loco team re-licensed their gwibber manual as cc-by-sa-3.0 per our request. [19:55] maybe you could take some info from there, if there is anything applicable [19:56] ok, will add something about that in the chat section [20:02] it would be cool to add icons in the unity-appmenu-intro.page to what each of the menus looks like. It shouldn't be necessary to add anything to the package, we can just link to the icons on the user's system like we did in newtoubuntu.xml in ubuntu-docs [20:04] you mean, icons for the networking, bluetooth, etc? that would be a good idea. [20:04] i think we can do some cleanup on our figures directory, too. purge the stuff that isn't being used. [20:05] yes, exactly that [20:05] i wish we had a way to check for broken image links, too. it shouldn't be too hard to add that to yelp-check [20:07] ok - i need to step out for a bit. have a good day/evening, all. [20:07] anyone know if bug 328700 is still applicable? [20:07] Launchpad bug 328700 in ubuntu-docs "Various spelling mistakes in Dutch translation" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/328700 [20:07] seeya j1mc [20:12] I have think that is possible replace the old nautilus image present in ghelp:user-guide?nautilus. what do you think about? :-) [20:13] peppe84: probably not worth it. That document is only used by a handful of applications now, we have included it for backwards compatibility but it will disappear next release [20:14] nautilus doesn't use it for help [20:14] damn, gwibber doesn't have a manual [22:52] hey, i'm thinking bug 497834 is something we should be able to do. Response #5 looks ok, I just don't know anything about dealing with pdfs, so idk how to force that mockup to be used as the frontpage of the serverguide pdf [22:52] Launchpad bug 497834 in ubuntu-docs "Ubuntu Server Guide isn't aesthetically appealing." [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/497834 [22:57] Rocket2DMn: it could be tricky based on our current pdf toolchain - but I haven't looked into whether fop allows you to add a frontpage in that way. [22:58] shaunm: can I run something past you? [22:59] mdke, i would think there is a tool to let you insert pdf pages into another, but again, ive never tried [22:59] i dont even have those tools installed to build the pdf [23:00] shaunm: actually nm, I see that j1mc has already thought of it before me, sorry to trouble you [23:03] mdke, on bug 540896, I don't have an IE7 anywhere to use for updating directions. Statistics indicate that only 5.4% of internet users are using IE7 (and falling), so it's probably not worth updating. [23:03] Launchpad bug 540896 in ubuntu-docs "Windows - Press "Favorites" is confusing for XP users and IE7 path is incorrect" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/540896 [23:03] would you prefer to do nothing, or should i just delete the section on IE7? [23:04] see https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/switching/C/preparing-bookmarks.html [23:06] Rocket2DMn: I don't have a strong view [23:09] alright, i'll run out and grab me some dinner and think about [23:09] thanks === tiffany is now known as mimico [23:39] jbicha: we should get you commit access asap - you are doing great work and I think enough patches have been reviewed by now to show you know what you are doing and deserve access [23:41] mdke: ok cool [23:43] jbicha: could you have a look at this page and just make sure you have read the documents referenced there: [23:43] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Organization#Requirements%20for%20Ubuntu%20Documentation%20Committers