[00:27] * bigcalm looks in [00:27] popey: still awake? [00:28] * Azelphur looks [00:32] i see "sony online entertainment" on http://ec2disabled.com/ [00:33] is it possible the PSN outage is related? [00:33] seems unlikely they'd host it on amazon but you never know [00:33] ali1234: the PSN outage is anonymous isn't it? o.O [00:33] no they made a statement saying "for once it wasn't us" [00:34] heh [00:34] oh, I heard it was [00:34] lol [00:35] I'm loving it, the more PSN is down the more attention gets brought to the geohot case [00:35] and that Linux support was removed from playstation :p [00:35] but geohot is over and done with [00:35] I don't really call "Your not allowed to re-enable features that you paid for" a win [00:36] That was a forfeit at best [00:36] the case was not won or lost [00:36] no it was settled, and the settlement terms are that geohot isn't allowed to do any sony jailbreaking [00:36] meh [00:37] so sony kinda won ;) [00:37] ^ exactly [00:37] tbh, sony have won whilst they can do what they want [00:37] what about that other guy? [00:37] I know Anonymous are still hitting them, the sit in at sony stores went ahead but it wasn't very successful [00:38] I hope they come up with something more effective. [00:38] sit in? [00:38] hamitron: they basically protested outside sony stores [00:38] sony stores are alwats empty anyway [00:38] that is stupid [00:38] they were probably glad of the company [00:38] xD [00:39] for that matter the cross over between anonymous and spotty electronics store salesman oiks is probably quite high too [00:39] attempting to protest like that when such a small number, means it is hard work and very time consuming for those attempting it [00:45] hey the settlement was leaked [00:45] i wonder if this is real [00:48] until sony back down and publically announce they have re-enabled the feature, doesn't affect me [00:48] :) [00:48] kinda doubt they will.... but can hope [00:49] doesn't affect me either, neither does the iphone jailbreak [00:49] because i'll never buy this stuff [00:50] I was going to buy a ps3 [00:50] save your money [00:50] but removing the "other os" feature directed me back into PC gaming, and I got a copy of Windows 7 [00:50] :) [00:51] kinda glad, cuz now I've got bored of games again [00:51] and got a better comp to do stuff [00:56] right i'm going to upgrade to natty [00:56] and make a list of everything i don't like about it [00:56] gl [01:34] there are other sony cases still going [01:34] e.g. graf_chokolo [01:34] or is it choloko [01:56] oh yeah that's the guy i was trying to think of [01:59] graf "you'll have to kill me to stop me" chokolo :) [01:59] will be more interested to see how that one turns out [02:30] usb startup disk creator took an hour and a half [02:30] it only took 10 minutes to download the iso [02:32] usb 3-3.1.2: not running at top speed; connect to a high speed hub [02:32] oh [02:32] but... it is a high speed hub [02:32] i hope the new kernel actually fixes some of this stuff [02:33] ok here goes [02:49] well here i am on the livecd [02:49] got classic desktop [03:19] hi i get 'grub loading.error no such partition grub rescue>' even hou ive wiped drive [03:20] what did you expect to happen? [03:22] erm dunno [03:22] but theres no windwos or linux on there, isnt grub a linux thing [03:22] not really no [03:23] it is installed in the mbr not in a partition [03:23] if you want to get rid of it write 0s to the raw device [03:23] so it should say this regardless of linuix being installed or not [03:23] well i suppose you could say that [03:24] ok thx [06:39] Baaaaah! I hate it when they always refer to hackers incorrectly in the media... idiots... anyways apparently PSN is down, has been down, for the past 3 days... and apparently hackers are to blame :/ http://psx-scene.com/forums/f6/psn-still-off-worldwide-day-3-hackers-being-blamed-sony-85343/ [06:51] that website is really, really, obnoxious [06:51] oh wait, it's because i haven't reinstalled adblock [06:51] is that what the internet looks like these days? [06:57] ali1234: tis sadly :/ [06:57] anyways, time for some sleep... night all \o [06:58] i'm really amazed by how slow unity is [06:58] switching foxus to a different window takes 3 seconds [06:58] the apps themselves don't run slow [06:58] well, except for banshee [07:07] I've even donated to adblock for chromium [07:08] can't live without one [08:14] [08:15] mng [08:15] popey: wasn't support for mng dropped? :P [08:15] popey: (good morning to you too)_ [08:17] ali1234: yeah, I had to fiddle with compiz settings to make alt-tab more bareable [08:18] Morning [08:23] \o daubers [08:23] hello...i dont have the wifi applet in the top task bar...anyone know how to get it back? [08:23] KINGOFSWORDS: do you have the "messages" (envelope) icon? [08:25] bah, someone needs to make a gmail lens [08:25] lens? [08:25] Someone needs to make it possible to move the left bar to the right [08:26] Also, we should have a code "open house" day [08:27] I'm not touching the Unity code.. it's crashy enough as it is ;) [08:32] * daubers often wonders how many useful little tools people have hidden away [08:43] daubers: we should [08:47] AlanBell: Be quite cool to do at Oggcamp [08:48] or an evening of IRC+mumble [08:48] That too [08:48] We could mix it up with Jono's IRC+Slides thing too [08:49] lernid or whatever it was [08:49] yup [08:51] * daubers hopes the post office is open this morning [08:52] * AlanBell sees MooDoo making a career limiting tweet :) [09:24] AlanBell: career limiting tweet? :p === serial is now known as Guest24346 [09:26] haha, I see it :p [09:35] hello piepopey [09:36] AlanBell: http://popey.com/graphs/ubuntu-uk-current.png [09:36] ah, that again [09:37] * daubers goes off to do the gardening in the sun [09:38] hmm, piespy is setup to make 1920x1080 images, why is it making 1600x900 images? [09:39] hmm, stupid browser perhaps [09:49] oh yay [09:49] I'm in the diagram! [09:49] hello popey btw [09:52] :) [09:58] morning all [09:59] hello MooDoo [10:00] 3-day weekend is full of win, except for the bit where I'm working :\ [10:02] what is a nice way of printing out an empty calendar? [10:05] nvm, google calendar with all the calendars turned off is good [10:39] AlanBell, `cal` [10:43] I like that google calendar now shows the date on the tab [10:44] it doesnt here [10:44] oh, the favicon, so it does [10:48] hah, never noticed that before [11:03] It's very new, only got implemented here in the last week or so. [11:03] http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/2011/04/5-years-of-google-calendar-and-new.html [11:31] I had seen the favicon [11:31] I hadn't noticed its updating [11:34] yaay portal 2 arrived [11:34] but i can't put it on my pc because the hackers took down the playstation network :( [11:34] I hope CrossOver can play it soon :( === chris_ is now known as Guest51457 [12:19] popey: Just listening to S4E4 and the "news" in the not about Ubuntu section about Linus' rage is quite out of date isn't it. I mean he wrote it on the 30th Nov 2010 ;) [12:21] good afternoon everyone. [12:22] hiya [12:22] heya Pendulum [12:22] brobostigon: how's you? [12:22] Pendulum: not bad, to hot, nd tired, and you? [12:23] yeah, I heard this year the head wave was preceeding my arrival in the UK (usually I bring heat waves with me). [12:24] I'm not bad, though. Trying to figure out if I can drag a mate out for dinner or something later because I want nice food and I don't really go to nice restaurants on my own [12:25] you will manage to do it, i think, :) [12:25] maybe [12:26] Pendulum: raining up here [12:26] * brobostigon scp's gordonjcp some sun. [12:26] I'm hoping that pointing out 'meat' will help (his gf is a vegetarian and they are on low budget so can't buy foods they aren't both going to eat) [12:26] gordonjcp: well I don't know for sure if I'm making it to Scotland yet :P [12:27] I swear everything in the garden has grown about half an inch since 8am [12:27] * brobostigon puts ch4 on, big bang theory. [12:28] it's raining here too, although not hard yet [12:28] but it's early [12:28] supposed to get worse [12:29] at least it's not snow [12:30] very true, [12:35] raining? [12:40] MooDoo: don't get too excited unless you're in Scotland or the US :P [12:41] nah nottingham, then again it's supposed to go downhill here over the next few days [12:41] MooDoo: I arrive in the UK on 1 May so expect heat after that :P [12:42] :) bring it with you :) [12:43] Pendulum: are you going to make it this far north? [12:43] gordonjcp: trying to, nothing definite. [12:44] cool [12:44] I'm not sure I want to. Last time, I spent 2 weeks in a hotel in Scotland with no aircon and 30 degree weather (or close to). Was miserable until the last afternoon when it rained and I nearly crawled onto the window ledge just so I could sit in it (which is quite a feat if you know that the window was about the height of my head) [12:45] sounds like a pretty horrible hotel [12:45] well, that last afternoon the roof also leaked [12:45] not a hotel I'm going to back to [12:46] gordonjcp: if I'm up, I'm probably not seeing many geeks (if any), so we'll see :-/ [12:57] Hmm, my internet randomly came back up again \o/ [12:57] I'm only syncing at 4mbit instead of the 11mbit I was at before, though :( [12:57] sounds like a buggered line [12:57] yea I been saying that since the start :D [12:57] ;] [12:59] On day one it kept on having lots of short disconnects, then it went down completely for like 24h, then it came back up, short disconnects, down again, modem wouldn't even try to dial for a long time (no ADSL Light on the router), then after a really long time it tried to dial and failed, then it started doing pretty much flapping (continually reconnecting) and now it's up again but at 4mbit \o/ [13:00] directhex: the fun part is that I've had line issues before, the BT engineer comes along with an ADSL modem and says "ADSL works!" and walks away [13:00] but I have a feeling the problem is somehow ADSL2+ related [13:01] Azelphur, BT won't accept ADSL faults as their problem, IME. when the phone stops working, it's different [13:01] interesting, who's problem is an ADSL fault? [13:02] The engineers arn't great in this area, a little while ago I spent like 2 weeks with a crossed line because some guy dropped metal shavings onto a circuit board in the exchange [13:02] Which obviously couldn't have done the board I'm connected to any good :p [13:09] question, for seesmic on android to update does it require background data to be enabled? [13:09] imexil: there was some more recent rage too :) [13:10] Speaking of android, anyone wanna buy a used G1? :p, It's had invisibleshield on it since day one so it's in good condition :) [13:11] Azelphur: how much? [13:11] * Pendulum is looking for a phone she can use for PAYG while in the UK [13:12] (and by the time I was told to look at the tmobile pulse mini it was off the tmobile site :( ) [13:14] Pendulum: like £70? [13:14] Pendulum: it's rooted and sim unlocked :p [13:14] okay, outside my budget (which is okay, I'm probably going to end up with something supercheap and not a smartphone) [13:14] haha [13:14] how much you looking to spend? [13:15] under £50 [13:15] yea, not gonna get anything very smart for under £50 xD [13:16] I think Three actually has an android phone for £50, but I have no idea how Three is as a network [13:16] really? surely that's on contract [13:16] cheapest pay as you go android phone I've seen is £100 [13:16] http://threestore.three.co.uk/payg/default.aspx?zte=1 [13:17] Pendulum: you can borrow my htc hero while you're here if tony has finished with it [13:17] says it runs Eclair [13:17] blimey [13:18] three are okay, not as much coverage as the other big companies, but okay [13:18] popey: no way to get it from you/back to you, but I appreciate the offer (tbh, I'm in the UK enough that having my own phone I can use when over would be useful. I had one, but the charger went MIA and no one has old Nokia chargers anymore) [13:18] if you are not going into the wilderness, your fine with three [13:19] Pendulum: I think three has the best mobile internet coverage [13:19] Pendulum: when do you arrive? [13:19] a week Sunday :) [13:19] I'm happy to ship it to where you're staying [13:19] but if you get an alternative, no worries :) [13:21] Azelphur: that's good to know since I am also probably going to be in the market for mobile internet dongles for my laptop :) [13:21] yea, I used to be with three and I'd recommend em they are pretty cool, I know my brother is too [13:22] * AlanBell has spare simless Orange dongle [13:22] however wifi tethering is more convenient generally [13:23] yea, I just usb/wireless tether with my desire Z :D [13:25] that ZTE racer from three doesn't look half bad at all [13:25] It's like a cheaper version of the ZTE Blade which is a very nice budget phone too [13:26] 600mhz arm 11 with adreno 200, 256MB of RAM [13:26] yeah, I'm going to run it by my 'we do phone apps people' since I'll probably also end up using it for Android devel stuff [13:26] (they were the ones to tell me about the pulse mini, just a little too late to be helpful ;-) ) [13:28] * brobostigon hugs his htc dream. [13:29] bah, my get up and go wants me to get up and go, but I don't have anywhere to go :( [13:31] my get up and go is telling me to clean the damn house, alas my couch is telling me to stay here because its more comfy [13:31] I'm really impressed by that ZTE Racer, I see videos on youtube it seems to handle some basic gaming and has a pretty beefy CPU [13:32] Decent disposable android phones come another step closer :P [13:32] which android version has it got, and is it manually upgradable? [13:33] brobostigon: 2.1 upgradable to 2.2 [13:34] Azelphur: 2.2, isnew enough, 2.1, is pretty old in many ways, [13:34] oh whoops wrong review, just has 2.1 [13:34] but maybe you can get a custom rom for it [13:36] Azelphur: 2.1 is pretty old really. and isnt very nice in a few ways. [13:40] :p [13:40] brobostigon: for £50 though it's pretty decent [13:41] anyone ever tried the program CDemu ?? [13:41] Azelphur: yes, very true. [13:42] Azelphur: i suspect i am still using the most common android version, 2.2.* [13:42] I'm on CM nightlies, so 2.3 :D [13:43] Azelphur: there isnt a cm version anymore for htc dream, lastversion was 2.2.1 nightlie. [13:43] indeed :( [13:43] hense why my brother wants to sell his HTC Dream xD [13:43] agreed, :( [13:43] afternoon - 'tis a triffle warm today http://family.fishms.org/index.html [13:44] i am happy though with my dream and 2.2.1, it is mostly perfect. [13:44] http://www.afterdawn.com/news/article.cfm/2011/04/21/sony_should_pay_100_to_man_for_otheros_removal_consumer_board_says [13:44] Yay :D [13:58] ho-hum [14:10] lo [14:29] Phoronix interviews a game developer who works with Linux Game Publishing to create native GNU-Linux games from existing titles on other operating system platforms. [14:30] nice [14:34] except LGP release 1 or 2 games every 5 years, and the games are already old before they start [14:36] well atlest its good to know company’s are taking linux into consideration when creating games [14:40] http://www.lgdb.org/list_games [14:56] most of them aren't taking it into consideration at all. it doesn't come up until they're trying to milk the last drips out of a dead product a few years later [14:56] mmmm...milk [15:01] * DragonKeeper wants a 360 emulator [15:04] I hear xbox 360s are good for those [15:04] :P [15:04] but then wouldnt really be an emulation would it [15:04] why do you want an emulator? [15:06] i just like everything to run on pc and will allow me to test games out with out having to mod my xbox drive again [15:06] if you want to "test" games, subscribe to lovefilm [15:07] =S why pay when i can just download burn and play + keep forever [15:08] because thats just a little immoral? [15:08] its not as immoral as game reselling games and making money again and again for the same game [15:08] if your going to start judging [15:08] you're [15:08] exobuzz: don't buy second hand games then? [15:08] i don't [15:08] well i buy games like call of duty . but no point me buying a game ill never play [15:09] so i test 1st [15:09] anyway. tis offtopic here right [15:09] exobuzz: it is different from buying second hand games, because the original purchaser no longer has a copy to run [15:10] downloading the disk means that you are creating an extra copy for free [15:10] Seeker`, that's not the argument im making. but anyway. not here. [15:10] not here? [15:10] there are costs involved in reselling something..... [15:10] ;/ [15:11] DragonKeeper: There are various things you could do, including reading reviews and renting before you result to "stealing" [15:12] *resort [15:12] imo, no harm in "borrowing" a game for a few hours [15:12] -14:07:52- :DragonKeeper : =S why pay when i can just download burn and play + keep forever [15:12] "forever" tends not to be "a few hours" [15:13] that is just wrong [15:13] and someone steals my work, I'd be rather nasty to them for it [15:13] well if im going to pay for a game ill never use again that seems point less to me [15:13] if i like it i buy it new [15:13] you only use a hamburger you buy once [15:13] ;p [15:14] it has still satisfyed it [15:14] you [15:14] DragonKeeper: Thats a risk you take. [15:14] :S im not going to buy it then buy it again of course ill only buy once lol [15:15] imo, they should integrate malware into software, then a proper key keeps the malware deactivated [15:15] :D [15:15] DragonKeeper: You don't have to buy it. You could rent it. [15:15] someone will just make a new exe or dll to bypass it [15:16] Or just buy it and if you don't like it, ebay it [15:16] rent is just buying it for a few days where as i might only play it for an hr and never want to use it again [15:16] most people who download / copy games (not i don't use the word stealing), are not the customers anyway. my point is just that, if someone downloads something to try and doesnt like it, and deletes it, have they dont more damage to the original creator than a store that sells a game multiple times (but the creator gets paid once), to people who are actually looking to "buy" the game. plus they resell sometimes at full price. [15:16] s/dont/done [15:16] dragonkeeper: it is people like you that mean the honest players who give the publishers ammunition for all this DRM hassle we get [15:17] bleh, too much to drink :/ [15:17] if they want my money then make a decent game , if i download game play it enjoy the game then i go out and buy a proper disk. [15:17] play for how long? [15:18] few hours [15:18] that is acceptable [15:18] imo [15:18] I'm not sure why the time makes a difference [15:18] i really can't stand either side of these arguments. from those who never buy stuff who don't get it, to those who seem to feel the need to force their morality onto everyone else. blah blah. [15:19] isnt like i have TBs of games and make disks to sell to friends lol [15:19] you pay a couple of quid to rent a movie for a night or two. does that make it legit to download it instead because you're only actually going to spend 2 hours watching it, not 2 nights? [15:20] 2 nights watching a film thats insanely long i dont want to watch that film but thanks any way [15:20] I have often downloaded a game just to test if it runs on my PC :/ [15:20] i just bought / donated to the last humble indie bundle and i cant even play em ;-) [15:21] exobuzz: that would annoy me [15:21] i knew before i bought [15:21] : [15:21] :) [15:21] but since i had the other two. wanted to have all three heh [15:21] exactly basicly wasted your money for something you wont ever play o.O [15:21] yeh although it was my money to waste thanks. im not on your side of the argument, nor the other ;-) [15:22] I think offering Demo's is best, then no reason to have to download a test copy [15:22] although most demos dont give full features so isnt really a decent experience [15:22] and I often find I buy a game when I can try a demo :) [15:23] if they did full features and only a mission or 2 then will be fine [15:23] dragonkeeper: ballance has to be right ofc [15:23] :) [15:23] hamitron, i reckon more games will move towards micro payment stuff in the future. buy level 1. buy level 2 etc. they can probably make more money that way. they being the publishers. the poor coders never make enough of course [15:23] exobuzz: yes :( [15:23] addon packs every 6 months \o/ [15:23] it's good to see in recent years the rise again of the indie developer [15:24] http://www.pcworld.com/article/223431/riaa_thinks_limewire_owes_75_trillion_in_damages.html shows how detached the "copyright" holders are from reality too :) [15:24] I bought 3 of the 4 addon packs for RACE 07, but starting to get sick of it :/ [15:25] LOL who uses limewire anymore o.O [15:25] the riaa use it ;-) [15:25] i thought that went out the window years ago [15:25] limewire have cost me £100s [15:25] personally [15:25] :( [15:25] o.O [15:25] hamitron, shh. make it £2 trillion [15:25] :) [15:26] I've downloaded stuff, liked it, and bought it \o. [15:26] but I am a sucker for buying stuff and collecting :) [15:26] my problem with buying stuff, is ive run out of room . and i cant possible throw out my 300+ amiga games to make space for more dvds [15:26] exobuzz: I'm not sure how much the RIAA works for content owners, or whether they are just lining their own pockets [15:27] buy a bigger house then? [15:27] Seeker`, i think sadly it's the latter [15:27] exobuzz: a huge problem :) [15:27] Seeker`, haha.. sure. can you loan me a deposit ? [15:27] why not use HDDs instead of disks [15:27] exobuzz: old news re limewire is old xD [15:27] saving up my own atm [15:27] for the dvds? i normally dump em. but i like touchy feely boxes [15:28] all my games are in boxes, but I've imaged them onto hdd for easy access [15:28] I don't use CDs/DVDs at all any more [15:28] limewire site was posted Mar 26, 2011 5:44 AM who is even awake at that time :O [15:28] well, most of the old ones [15:28] same like i could have pdfs of my 1980s coding books. but i prefer to go to bed with a book [15:28] I actually sold my DVD drive a few months ago, my PC doesn't have one. [15:28] All my media is on hdds 100% now. [15:28] exobuzz: real books ftw [15:28] Azelphur how many HDDs ? [15:28] Azelphur, how do you dump new media? ;-) [15:28] I need more hard drives to get all my media on to them [15:28] exobuzz: I don't, I'm all like yarr :p [15:28] 3.5TB isn't enough :( [15:29] dragonkeeper I have 3 HDDs totalling 5TB atm [15:29] I just buy more when I need them [15:29] that's my major content store :p [15:29] i got 12tb of hds, of which 6 is usable .. im such a backup whore [15:29] I need to build a fileserver/mythtv backend with space for 5 drives [15:29] + an OS drive [15:30] wow i have wiped most of the crap i dont want im at 2.5tb with only 1tb filled up and i havnt finished ripping my cds i have about 5 racks left [15:30] my fileserver http://www.exotica.org.uk/mediawiki/files/c/ca/Aerocool_server.jpg [15:30] nice [15:30] Seeker`: that's exactly what I have [15:31] Azelphur, do you watch media on the joggler ? [15:31] Azelphur, or still just a "clock" ;-) [15:31] exobuzz: my jogglers are idle atm xD [15:31] (fancy clock mind) [15:31] oh noes [15:31] http://www.dropbox.com/gallery/3832397/1/MythTV2?h=2832c8 here's my MythTV/file server [15:32] Azelphur, do you use xbmc at all, or just the mythtv frontend /backend ? [15:32] I just use mythtv [15:33] i saw xbmc make a O/S [15:33] DragonKeeper, an os ? [15:33] you mean the live disks? just ubuntu based. there is openelec too, another linux live distribution [15:34] exobuzz: what case is that? [15:34] my media player is still an xbox1.. [15:34] was looking for alternate linux distros and just notices a xbmc edition didnt go anyfurther into detail as wasnt what i wanted [15:35] Seeker`, "aerocool" case. 10 5.25" bays only [15:35] http://www.legitreviews.com/article/241/1/ [15:35] i've never bothered to rip my cd's, i just play them on my micro hifi system when i want to listen to them, i find the ideal of listening to music on the go with a portable player doesn't match up with the reality of pausing the music to speak to bus drivers, wondering whether you're missing anything that's going on etc [15:36] i had a server like that [15:36] in a coolermaster stacker [15:37] ehrm. except the coolermaster stacker is 12* 5.25", isn't it? [15:37] heh. 12x. nice [15:37] plenty of space [15:38] Nafallo, don't remember, i got rid [15:38] well, quick calculations says I remember right :-) [15:38] it was an older version of the stacker, pretty sure it wasn't 12 bays [15:39] but anyway, i had 8 disks for a while [15:39] on an lsi megaraid [15:39] 11 it was. [15:39] i just use the old software raid, which is pretty decent these days [15:39] http://images.bit-tech.net/content_images/2007/03/cm_stacker_mod_by_snakez_and_ediejo/page1-2.jpg [15:39] anyway, decided it wasn't worth the money to run it [15:40] ah! no! 12! [15:40]