[05:11] <maco> ScottK: building a new kdebindings source package with that patch, im getting this lintian error i've never seen before, and i'm not sure which of the suggested resolutions is best: not-binnmuable-all-depends-any  
[05:11] <maco> E: kdebindings source: not-binnmuable-all-depends-any python-kde4-dev -> python-kde4
[05:12] <maco> ScottK: id meant to give the link to http://lintian.debian.org/tags/not-binnmuable-all-depends-any.html since i said there were suggested resolutions...
[06:41] <ScottK> maco: For Ubuntu we don't care.  Only Debian has binNMUs.
[08:45] <bambee> mornin
[08:45] <bambee> g
[09:36] <bambee> what I need to do in order to add a bug in this list ? http://goo.gl/BKRCm
[09:39] <debfx> bambee: set the milestone to ubuntu-11.04
[09:40] <bambee> I cannot , could you change the milestone for bug 768363 ?
[09:42] <bambee> (I can change everything except the milestone)
[09:43] <debfx> you probably need to be in bugcontrol to change it
[09:44] <debfx> but I don't think we can upload seeded packages anymore
[09:45] <bambee> even if it's a crash ? o_O
[09:46] <debfx> ScottK: ping
[09:49] <debfx> bambee: I'm not sure, but we can always do a 0-day SRU
[09:50] <bambee> probably, I do not know...
[09:51] <debfx> why do you return "none" when str is None?
[09:53] <bambee> debfx: to get the same behaviour as the gtk frontend
[09:55] <bambee> the string is none because /usr/share/python-apt/templates/Ubuntu.info contains buggy templates (see the other bug in commment #12)
[10:03] <debfx> ok
[10:03] <bambee> try the gtk frontend, it does not crash: it displays duplicates entries in "updates" tab and a "none" entry => it's a bug but it does not crash. My patch fixes the crash so now we've the same bug without crash :)
[10:04] <debfx> hm it doesn't crash for me, probably because I don't have a default sources.list
[10:04] <bambee> on natty it does not crash for you ? o_O
[10:05] <debfx> yes
[10:05] <bambee> strange...
[10:06] <debfx> not fully upgraded though
[10:07] <debfx> ah yes, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-apt/0.7.100.3ubuntu5 probably causes the issue
[10:10] <bambee> mhh, probably. See the bug 760035 in the changelog, it contains a patch
[10:11] <bambee> the patch adds a "Suite" entry into the template for ubuntu, but this template has a missing description :)
[10:12] <bambee> so yes probably this commit causes the issue (for the "none" description), for duplicates entries... I am not sure :\
[10:16] <debfx> bambee: I'm no python expert but shouldn't it return u"none" instead of "none"?
[10:20] <debfx> or maybe it doesn't make a difference
[10:29] <bambee> debfx: "none" is not an ascii string ? (I am no unicode expert...)
[10:30] <debfx> bambee: unicode and string are different types in python
[10:30] <bambee> I know
[10:31] <bambee> you're probably right...
[10:35] <Quintasan_> happy easter or whatever is it that you are celebrating today
[12:59] <njin> Hello to all, testing kubuntu with encryption i cannot see, as i happens in gnome, the request for the passphrase, can someone notice me about this?
[13:02] <njin> Also differently from gnome, at first login i've to enter the username and the password
[13:23] <bambee> njin, for auto-login: ALT+F2, then type "kcmshell4 kdm" => look at the "conveniences" tab
[13:24] <bambee> then check "Enable Auto-Login"
[13:24] <bambee> and click "apply"
[13:25] <bambee> (you will be asked to authenticate before saving, enter your root password)
[13:25] <bambee> I did not understand what is your problem with encryption...
[13:29] <njin> bambee: usually, in gnome when I made an installation with /home encrypted, at the first boot it require me a passphrase to recover, this not happens in kubuntu
[13:34] <bambee> debfx: an idea ?
[13:36] <bambee> njin: your home directory is probably not encrypted, I mean you would not have access to your files without a password :)
[13:36] <bambee> (I can be wrong)
[13:38] <afiestas> anybody knows how to fix this: http://paste.kde.org/26413
[13:38] <afiestas> when installing kde in a custom prefix?
[13:38] <afiestas> las time I had this issue Iw as told to look at neon environment variables
[13:38] <afiestas> but I have not been able to find them
[14:11] <ScottK> debfx: pong.  Unless it's worth delaying the release over, 0 day SRU is the way to go.
[14:28] <maco> ScottK: great...how do i tell lintian to shut up?
[14:40] <Quintasan> Bug #769820
[14:43] <maco> ScottK: nevermind
[15:06] <Quintasan> I just don't get it
[15:06] <Quintasan> yofel_, shadeslayer: ^^
[15:07] <Quintasan> how the hell there can be a bug in packaging if using dpkg-buildpackage on users PC solves the problem?
[15:11] <Quintasan> hmmmm
[15:11] <Quintasan> no shit
[15:11] <jussi> Quintasan: if you are missing a dep on the package that the user has? 
[15:12] <Quintasan> There is a library conflict when building both
[15:12] <jussi> heh
[15:12] <Quintasan> now which one should be used?
[15:13] <Quintasan> FFS
[15:15]  * bigbrovar time to get something to eat
[15:17] <Quintasan> bigbrovar: now we need someone who didn't recompile their libs to test my fix
[15:18] <bigbrovar> I can always uninstall my compile and apply? 
[15:19] <bigbrovar> and if I have time I can always do a fresh install on a work laptop and test that?
[15:19] <bigbrovar> but that would be later cus I have been at this all morning and need a break
[15:19] <bigbrovar> its 15:19 here and I have not had anything all day 
[15:20] <bigbrovar> Quintasan: u can always make ur fix available in the bug report and when I have time later today I can test it 
[15:20] <Quintasan> bigbrovar: a clean install would be better, but try on your normal PC first
[15:20] <Quintasan> bigbrovar: I have uploaded it to PPA already
[15:21] <bigbrovar> Quintasan: I will do that on a fresh install later today and get back to u
[15:25] <Quintasan> I don't have any idea what pulls libcurl4-openssl-dev to akonadi-googledata build-deps
[15:25] <Quintasan> and libgcal pulls libcurl4-gnutls-dev which conflicts with  libcurl4-openssl-dev
[15:25] <Quintasan> which is even more confusing
[15:26] <Quintasan> Riddell: ^^ we won't get that in natty?
[16:31] <mgraesslin> are there any chances to get a freeze fix into natty?
[16:42] <maco> mgraesslin: candidate ISOs are being built and tested now.  anything non-critical is likely going to need to be a 0-day SRU.
[16:42] <bambee> apachelogger: ping
[16:43] <maco> mgraesslin: all the getting-permission-to-break-freeze stuff is going on in #ubuntu-release
[16:45] <mgraesslin> maco: ok, thanks
[16:45] <mgraesslin> in case you ship 4.6.3 it will be included anyway
[17:06] <bambee> apachelogger: finally I found the answer myself :)
[17:27] <debfx> mgraesslin: we don't, is there a bug report?
[17:30] <mgraesslin> debfx: it's for kde bug 261323
[17:32] <mgraesslin> bambee: btw we have a fix for the activities and effects problem
[17:34] <bambee> mgraesslin: well good. I had not time enough to write the fix these days... but it's a good new :)
[17:34] <mgraesslin> bambee: good, I already feared there were two fixes, now :-)
[17:35] <bambee> ;)
[17:39] <bambee> mgraesslin: however, now it's the weekend, I can help for another thing :)  (I code in python since 2 days, I need c++ :P)
[17:39] <mgraesslin> hehe
[17:42] <ScottK> maco: Just ignore it.
[17:42] <mgraesslin> bambee: kde bug 265580 seems like a really easy one
[17:44]  * bambee looks
[17:44] <ScottK> Quintasan: Please figure out the akonadi-googledata thing.
[17:45] <Quintasan> ScottK: I think I already did it
[17:45] <Quintasan> ScottK: waiting for confirmation
[17:45] <ScottK> Great.
[17:45] <Quintasan> bigbrovar: ping
[17:46] <bambee> mgraesslin: indeed
[17:46] <ScottK> mgraesslin: For KDE stuff unless it's worth delaying the entire release over it should be done as a post-release update.
[17:46] <mgraesslin> ScottK: ok, so post release
[17:47] <mgraesslin> it might result in a freeze, but it is nothing which is enabled by default
[17:47] <ScottK> Although we can upload such changes now to get them in the queue.
[17:47] <mgraesslin> I will later on do a test on another system and then push the change
[19:06] <Quintasan> bigbrovar: ping
[19:20] <pajatopmr> I am trying to find out information (above and beyond that found via googling) on having native wireless support for Kubuntu (Natty Narwhal) on a Macbook Pro 8,3 (early 2011).  Is there any to be had on this channel?
[19:20] <pajatopmr> What I have learned so far is that the device is new and not supported by the kernel.  Does that sound correct?
[19:23] <bigbrovar> Quintasan: .
[19:24] <Quintasan> bigbrovar: have a clean install?
[19:24] <Quintasan> bigbrovar: add my PPA and try it
[19:24] <bigbrovar> let me get to it now, 
[19:24] <bigbrovar> just post ur ppa here 
[19:24] <Quintasan> http://ppa.quintasan.pl <-- redirect
[19:25] <bigbrovar> gotcha.
[19:26] <bigbrovar> btw there is this bug I noticed when in 10.10, I noticed it also made it to 11.04, it mainly affects the menubar.widget
[19:26] <bigbrovar> I did everything to try and get the issue fixed including hunting down the email of the maintainer and mailing him, even reporting the issue at his bug and filing a bug on launchpad http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-widget-menubar/+bug/701527  
[19:27] <bigbrovar> still never got a feed back, not a word. But the bug exist and even thought it does not affect every kde app, it does affect quite a hanful as I said in my post.
[19:28] <bigbrovar> situations like this makes the process of bug reporting dishearting and just kills the enthusiasm 
[20:03] <Quintasan> bigbrovar: bro, we are --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- <-this short on people if compared to Ubuntu
[20:04] <Quintasan> bigbrovar: We'd like to get everything done fastly but we lack people :/
[20:13] <bigbrovar> Quintasan: :( and am not a programmer but would be glad to help the best way I can 
[20:13] <Quintasan> bigbrovar: I'm not a programmer either
[20:13] <Quintasan> we have essentialy tons of stuff to do
[20:13] <bigbrovar> Quintasan: also I doubt many people are aware of the lack of hand on kubuntu 
[20:13] <Quintasan> like bug tiriaging
[20:14] <bigbrovar> it would be a nice thing to do an sos blog post or something
[20:14] <bigbrovar> let me get on with the testing 
[20:14] <jjesse> bug triaging or helping / documentation are good places for non developers
[20:14] <bigbrovar> the system is installed
[20:14] <bigbrovar> jjesse: I can always help with documentation 
[20:15] <bigbrovar> Quintasan: I will try add the default akonadi google resources and see if it doesnt work, just to be sure 
[20:15] <jjesse> bigbrovar DarkwingDuck and i do the documentation, though DarkwingDuck has a better understand of where things are this cycle
[20:15] <bigbrovar> then I will add the one from ur ppa
[20:15] <Quintasan> cool
[20:16] <Quintasan> if that's not it then I don't have any idea what causes the problem
[20:31] <bigbrovar>  Quintasan I have added it now rebooting. 
[20:31] <Quintasan> cool
[20:40] <bigbrovar> Quintasan: good news is adding ur package seems to stop the invalid password error, and on akonadi it says 100% sync
[20:40] <bigbrovar> But starting and adding google resource does nothing
[20:41] <bigbrovar> I can not see my contacts on kaddressbook
[20:41] <bigbrovar> Quintasan: I still feel this is a packaging issue and both libgcal and akonadi-googleresource are affected
[20:42] <Quintasan> bigbrovar: stop and start akonadi
[20:42] <bigbrovar> Quintasan: did that, even restarted the system
[20:42] <Quintasan> :/
[20:43] <bigbrovar> how come the source default kubuntu source worked when I built them from source
[20:43] <bigbrovar> but the binary in the repo doesnt
[20:43] <Quintasan> this is ridiculous
[20:44] <bigbrovar> Quintasan: FYI had to compile but libgcal and akonadi google resource
[20:44] <bigbrovar> ur ppa only has libgcal
[20:44] <Quintasan> what?
[20:45] <bigbrovar> ur ppa https://launchpad.net/~quintasan/+archive/ppa has packages for just libgcal
[20:45] <bigbrovar> when it fact it seems but libgcal and akonadi-kde-google-resource are affected
[20:46] <Quintasan> Riddell: crap, my membership in Launchpad in Kubuntu Members has expired, can you fix it?
[20:47] <Quintasan> bigbrovar: I did no changes to akonadi-googledata that's why it doesnt show up as update maybe
[20:47] <bigbrovar> yep
[20:47] <Quintasan> bigbrovar: I thought it's a library conflict between libgcal and googledata but it's not :/
[20:48] <bigbrovar> like I said I build the kubuntu source (from the src repo) for both packages and they worked when I compiled them
[20:48] <bigbrovar> so it might just be a build problem
[20:48] <Quintasan> That's the worst thing
[20:57] <Quintasan> bigbrovar: if it works after doing dpkg-buildpackage on local machine then it possibly can't be a packaging error :/
[20:58] <bigbrovar> hmmm tbh I don't know much about this things
[21:12] <sheytan> Riddell pong ping and other stuff