[00:34] <torchie> why is it that clicking outside of the unity search menu doesn't make it go awawy
[00:39] <BUGabundo> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2009-April/182642.html
[00:39] <BUGabundo> ahahah
[00:39] <BUGabundo> oldie
[00:40] <BUGabundo> but good
[01:06] <escott> is anyone running natty + gnome 3/is it possible to go back or will I break everything
[01:06] <bazhang> escott, purge the ppa?
[01:06] <bazhang> !info ppa-purge
[01:07] <escott> i haven't installed the ppa. I'm wary of doing that without knowing the ppa-purge won't break unity
[01:07] <escott> i read some forum comments suggesting that gnome ppa would conflict with unity in various ways
[01:07] <bazhang> well its completely unsupported
[01:08] <bazhang> fewer or zero PPA is optimal really
[01:08] <bazhang> render your system unusable seems unlikely though
[01:10] <jibadeeha> escott, you only need unity
[01:11] <escott> i guess the better question would be: "will gnome3 ever be officially supported on natty?"
[01:13] <arand> escott: No, the interesting question is "ever on ubuntu" But meh..
[01:16] <coz_> well as I recall compiz was originally just a proof of concept...which lit a fire under the feet of developers for compositing,, however,, compiz is by no means a proof of concept any longer
[01:16] <escott> blah.... is there an #ubuntu-whine channel? I don't have major complaints about unity, but I'd like to see what gnome3 looks like without risking my ubuntu install or having to install fedora
[01:17] <coz_> hopefully it will replace many compositors  including kwin and gnome3
[01:17] <coz_> kwin sucks almost as much as mutter in gnome3  :)
[01:18] <coz_> compiz has already, in natty, replaced mutter ,, thankfully,,
[01:19] <rww> one of the two ways in which Unity is better than GNOME Shell.
[01:19] <coz_> for sure
[01:19]  * rww dislikes mutter
[01:20] <coz_> rww,  I agree,, as I had menitoned on another day,, if they had gone with the gnome3  clever windows  concept,, it may have overtaken compiz pretty quickly
[01:23] <coz_> if not in resource useage  , certainly in eye candy
[01:23] <coz_> ok supper time :)
[01:24] <farmer> hi
[01:24] <farmer> Is there a way to change the window buttons on the unity top bar?
[01:25] <Daekdroom> farmer, nope. They're hard-coded.
[01:25] <Daekdroom> If anything, you might be able to change the colors.
[01:25] <wierd0{}> it seems time is running out to fix all the natty ubuntu bugs
[01:35] <freaky[t]> where can i set the compiz effects in ubuntu+1?
[01:36] <rww> !ccsm
[01:38] <bjsnider> rww, why do you dislike mutter? what has it done to you?
[01:38] <freaky[t]> thanks rww
[01:38] <rww> bjsnider: it's not performant on my netbook
[01:38] <freaky[t]> rww: i can't install simple-ccsm
[01:38] <freaky[t]> it says wait
[01:39] <rww> freaky[t]: install the other one
[01:39] <bjsnider> rww, are you using the final version?
[01:39] <freaky[t]> i want simple-ccsm because when i switched in maverick from the middle effects to most effects, the screenlag went away
[01:39] <freaky[t]> rww: ive put a bugreport
[01:39] <freaky[t]> because my screen is so laggy
[01:40] <rww> bjsnider: I was using whatever was in the gnome3 PPA a week or three ago.
[01:43] <Daekdroom> Simple CCSM is not up-to-date with compiz 0.9, I think
[01:44] <freaky[t]> Daekdroom: ok thank you
[01:44] <freaky[t]> rww: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/769586 this is my bug ;)
[01:45] <freaky[t]> and i can't install th e driver from ati it says "implicit declaration" of something ...
[01:45] <rww> I'll withold my usual comments about fglrx and link http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/grjvp/ubuntu_1104_almost_out_what_unity_bugs_are_you/c1prvgq instead
[01:46] <freaky[t]> rww: oh ok, how do i disable vsync? lol
[01:46] <rww> somewhere in ccsm, I assume
[01:48] <freaky[t]> rww: im in ccsm and searched for vsync but it cant find anything like that
[01:48] <rww> no idea, then. I'm on KDE.
[01:48] <freaky[t]> ok ;(
[01:51] <freaky[t]> rww: found it, it helped a bit but it's still lagging
[01:52] <freaky[t]> seems like i have to live with it for a longer time ;(
[01:59] <david234_> How do i connect to a windows/ssh/ftp server using UBuntu 11.04 ? I can't find the "connect to server" feature
[01:59] <axle> hey! I got a strange problem with 11.04 beta2: I booted the live session and could use the new unity ui. so far so good... then I installed it onto my HDD and booted from there. after logging in, ubuntu tells me my hardware wouldn't support the unity desktop, and now I have to use the old gnome desktop, no matter what session I select at login :/ I got a quite new notebook with i5 and nvidia 410m graphics, may that be a problem?
[01:59] <dcolebatch> david234_, have you tried the rdesktop command?
[02:00] <escott> axle, that happened to me a few days ago
[02:00] <freaky[t]> david234_: lol i also cant find a lot of features it#s awesome ;D
[02:00] <david234_> Not remote desktop, I want to connect to a file server and open files on the server ( such as documents or watching movies )
[02:00] <trism> david234_: click the home folder icon, File/Connect to Server... ?
[02:00] <escott> seriously annoying I had to switch the type of unity login from gdm a half dozen times to get it to work again
[02:01] <axle> eww, sounds bad :/
[02:01] <freaky[t]> david234_: minimize all windows
[02:01] <escott> axle, sorry i should read more closely you've yet to get it working
[02:01] <david234_> got it
[02:01] <escott> axle, try compiz --replace ??
[02:03] <axle> escott: Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[02:03] <escott> axle, have you installed the nvidia drivers (now i remember what i did)
[02:03] <axle> yep
[02:04] <escott> even the binary ones?
[02:04] <axle> don't think so, ubuntu did it by itself, it just told me the nvidia driver got installed :) :D
[02:05] <escott> go to the menu, and type in "drivers" and click on the additional drivers
[02:05] <escott> it should scan and see if there are proprietary drivers for your system
[02:05] <axle> yes that's what ubuntu did ;) it installed the propietary nvidia driver
[02:06] <david234_> I think the names of the software should be removed, so instead of "Firefox web browser" it should say "web browser" and "libreoffice writer" should be "writer"
[02:06] <axle> it says it's installed but not activated, but this might also be caused by a GPU switch on my notebook
[02:07] <rww> david234_: what happens when you have two web browsers?
[02:07] <david234_> rww, look at the cute icon :)
[02:07] <axle> *installs -> activated and activated -> in use
[02:07] <rww> david234_: what happens when you have two web browsers and are vision-impaired?
[02:08] <david234_> How many non developers have two browsers ?
[02:08] <escott> axle, i dont have nvidia so i cant help any more but thats the source of your problems. check dmesg and /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[02:13] <axle> mhmm /var/log/Xorg.0.log says, it loads GLX extension for nvidia, then the integrated intel graphics are detected and so on and later it says: [  5537.358] (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found)
[02:13] <axle> :-(
[02:14]  * axle is looking forward to wayland
[02:14] <escott> right you could try and remove the intel driver so that X only ever sees the nvidia driver
[02:14] <escott> not sure if that would work
[02:14] <escott> but Xorg is definitely not going to support hot swapping so you will have to pick which one you want to use
[02:15] <escott> if this is an i3 or better then intel works fine
[02:15] <axle> I'll try nvidia-xconfig
[02:15] <bjsnider> that wouldn't work
[02:16] <bjsnider> the bios makes these decisions. you have to use whatever graphics the bios chooses
[02:16] <bjsnider> you should remove nvidia-current and xorg.conf and let the decision be made automatically
[02:16] <axle> it is an i5 sandybridge and the intel driver that got loaded should support it.
[02:17] <bjsnider> sandybridge is going to have some problems in this cycle, but it will improve in 6 months
[02:17] <axle> bjsnider: ubuntu installed the nvidia driver automatically at first boot, that makes me think it wants to use the nvidia one
[02:17] <bjsnider> axle, have you looked at the bios to check for a switch you can manually use?
[02:18] <axle> uhmm.. no but I should, maybe :D
[02:18] <bjsnider> here's a newsflash: gpu switching is not well-supported on linux
[02:18] <axle> let me see... back in about 10 mins or so :)
[02:18] <bjsnider> it's disastrous
[02:18] <Daekdroom> bjsnider, not so news, really.
[02:18] <axle> bjsnider: nothing new to me :D
[02:19] <Daekdroom> But, well, as long as it doesn't blow up in your face instead of just not working..
[02:19] <axle> but i heard of a project that wants to improve it massively and reach 100% support for hotswapping :) that makes me hope :D
[02:19] <axle> for real now, brb 10 mins
[02:21] <buff27> I have an ATI video card, just wondered if anyone could tell me the command line way to remove the driver and go back to standard drivers?
[02:22] <aauthor> buff27, is it not an option to do it the gui way?
[02:24] <buff27> well I had this problem changing my hard drive from one system to another without an ati card
[02:24] <buff27> I had to put it back in old system to remove the ati driver to work...... just wondered if there was another way
[02:28] <axle> ok guys: in the bios there only is a switch between optimus graphics mode and UMa graphics mode, while BIOS only tells me that UMa graphics mode is for windows xp because it doesn't support hotswapping ( i believe)
[02:29] <axle> the xorg.conf f*cked up X, I had to delete it to make it work again :/
[02:29] <aauthor> buff27, unfortunately, I do not know the command line to do that.  But you may try booting with nomodeset which should force the use of the default driver (that one time) and then you could disable priority drivers the gui way.
[02:30] <Daekdroom> buff27, try running jockey-text
[02:31] <aauthor> Daekdroom: what is jockey-text?
[02:32] <Daekdroom> It's the "Hardware Drivers" tool.. in CLI!
[02:32] <Daekdroom> i.e. the tool from the menu is jockey-gtk
[02:33] <aauthor> Oh, I see.  That's good to know!
[02:33] <buff27> arrrrr thanks aauthor Daekdroom
[02:34] <aauthor> buff27 is a pirate! ;D
[02:34] <lucas_> installed natty beta2 and proprietary nvidia drivers. Works ok... Why isn't there any xorg.conf anymore? I mean is it not necessary anymore?
[02:34] <buff27> I am!
[02:34] <Daekdroom> lucas_, indeed. It's not necessary.
[02:35] <aauthor> lucas_, ubuntu switched to HAL sometime ago I believe.
[02:35] <lucas_> Daekdroom: So I can remaster a live cd with nvidia drivers without any workarounds?
[02:35] <Daekdroom> Well.. That I'm not sure at all.
[02:35] <Daekdroom> aauthor, the opposite. HAL is deprecated. It's all about udev now.
[02:36] <bjsnider> you still need xorg.conf to load the nvidia driver
[02:36] <aauthor> I'll just keep my trap shut from here on out. :)
[02:36] <lucas_> that's the idea bjsnider... Natty seems to load the proprietary driver WITHOUT xorg.conf
[02:37] <bjsnider> how do you know?
[02:38] <lucas_> well, after setting up nvidia-current and rebooting I launched nvidia-settings and it came up ok. Checked for some settings in /etc/X11/xorg.conf and it was not there...
[02:40] <bjsnider> you installed nvidia-current manually instead of going through jockey?
[02:46] <lucas_> through synaptic
[02:56] <Pilif12p> so, i think i found a bug
[02:56] <Pilif12p> on my G550, if I turn the wifi switch off, shut down, boot with it on, flip it on, the wifi still won't work without another full reboot
[03:22] <roknir> i'm trying to get unity working inside of a VM like described here (http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/04/heads-up-unity-working-with-the-lastest-virtualbox/) but i'm having issues after logging in with X.  i just see the ubuntu wallpaper and nothing happens.  here's my Xorg log (http://paste.ubuntu.com/598112/).  anyone know what the problem might be?
[03:27] <n2i> I have got an error when update 11.04
[03:27] <n2i> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/libpolkit-agent-1-0_0.101-1ubuntu1_i386.deb: subprocess dpkg-deb --control returned error exit status 2
[03:27] <n2i> Can somebody tell me what is that and how to fix?
[03:28] <Omega> n2i: re-run the update, it will install packages that failed
[03:28] <Omega> roknir: Did you isntall the guest additions in the guest OS?
[03:29] <n2i> Omega: :( http://paste.ubuntu.com/598118/
[03:30] <n2i> Error is showed on that link
[03:31] <escott> n2i, remove the .deb file and try again, may have gotten a corrupt download
[03:32] <Omega> n2i: run: sudo rm /var/cache/apt/archives/libpolkit-agent-1-0_0.101-1ubuntu1_i386.deb
[03:32] <n2i> escott Omega Thanks!
[03:32] <n2i> It is alright now! :D
[03:33] <Omega> :)
[03:55] <izinucs> wow.. nothing happening in here?
[03:55] <izinucs> in 20 minutes?
[03:59] <torchie> calm before the storm
[04:02] <Volkodav> are there weather and temp applets for Unity ?
[04:04] <deadhead> NOPE
[04:04] <deadhead> run gnome panel
[04:05] <Volkodav> hmm
[04:06] <izinucs> I miss the date being on the top bar.. time is ok. but I also want the date
[04:07] <ali1234> you can configure it you know
[04:07] <izinucs> and system monitor
[04:07] <izinucs> ali1234: how?
[04:07] <ali1234> right click on it, click settings
[04:07] <ali1234> how else?
[04:08] <izinucs> ali1234: there is no settings
[04:11] <Volkodav> How do I change the number of workspaces ?
[04:11] <izinucs> Volkodav: that's probably in ccsm <compiz config settings manager>
[04:12] <roknir> Omega: yes, i installed the guest packages in the ubuntu VM
[04:30] <torchie> is there a way to enable initiate window picker in compiz without a button?
[04:31] <torchie> like by just moving the mouse to the corner like you can set up with Expo
[04:44] <izinucs> how do I "connect to server"?
[04:47] <freaky[t]> izinucs: click the home symbol
[04:47] <freaky[t]> file --> connect to server
[04:48] <izinucs> freaky[t]: I tried "super" then looked for nautilus but nothing came up.. tried "file manager" nothing.. unity might drive me nuts.. how's a noob suppose to find their way?
[04:48] <freaky[t]> dunno i have the same problems
[04:49] <JamezQ> einseenai: It shouldn't.
[04:50] <einseenai> guys, if i upgrade from 10.10 to 11.04, will it smash my classic gnome?
[04:50] <freaky[t]> ill try kubuntu-desktop out now
[04:50] <izinucs> freaky[t]: I like kubuntu
[04:50] <JamezQ> einseenai: It shouldn't.
[04:50] <JamezQ> einseenai: It will keep it as a separate choice I believe, just like you can choose kde or Gnome at the GDM if you have both installed
[04:51] <JamezQ> einseenai: So you will be able to choose unity or gnome
[04:51] <einseenai> JamezQ, thx a lot :-)
[04:57] <torchie> huh
[04:57] <torchie> wow thats nice
[04:58] <torchie> backlights should just stay off in Unity dock
[04:58] <izinucs> ok.. from a devil's advocate stand point.. how's a new ubuntu/unity user suppose to figure out what programs are available without some sort of catagorization?  like Internet, office, sound/video etc.. all the program names will be foreign and looking at tool tips is slow
[05:00] <lucasfl> Hi. Does anyone know if Emerald works on Ubuntu 11.04?
[05:01] <bazhang> !emerald
[05:01] <bazhang> lucasfl, not sure, but please see above.
[05:06] <lucasfl> Is there a way to make it work? Before the 11.04 upgrade it was working fine.
[05:12] <freaky[t]> i just installed kubuntu-desktop and there everything works fine ... no screen lag ... but with ubuntu i have screenlag :(
[05:13] <micahg> freaky[t]: could be your video driver doesn't agree with compiz, are you using unity?
[05:13] <freaky[t]> yes im using unity on gnome
[05:14] <freaky[t]> isnt kubuntu using compiz aswell?
[05:14] <micahg> doubtful
[05:15] <micahg> freaky[t]: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/FilingBugs
[05:19] <freaky[t]> micahg: ive allready filed a bug against xorg lol they'll probably change it and ask me for more info hopefully
[05:20] <micahg> freaky[t]: if kubuntu works, it's probably not xorg
[05:20] <freaky[t]> micahg: the same lag also appeared when i used ubuntu maverick
[05:20] <micahg> freaky[t]: with compiz on?
[05:21] <freaky[t]> yes
[05:21] <micahg> freaky[t]: yeah, I'd suggest changing it from xorg to unity and let them triage
[05:23] <freaky[t]> ok done
[05:24] <freaky[t]> says only the supervisor has been subscribed
[05:25] <micahg> freaky[t]: right, that's fine
[05:25] <freaky[t]> ok i hope they fix it ;(
[05:25] <freaky[t]> it has been in maverick since
[05:26] <freaky[t]> and that's not good
[05:26] <freaky[t]> i think i dont have a good chance that it will be fixed ;(
[05:26] <micahg> freaky[t]: well, now that it's reported against unity, you have a good chance someone will at least look at it
[05:27] <freaky[t]> hopefully :(
[05:30] <izinucs> freaky[t]: kubuntu uses kwin.. not compiz
[05:30] <freaky[t]> izinucs: ah ok
[05:32] <thegoodcushion> What's the word on this Unity thing?  Are people liking it?  Is it much of a change?
[05:33] <JamezQ> it's a massive change
[05:33] <JamezQ> and very controversial.
[05:33] <thegoodcushion> yeah, see I don't like the sound of that
[05:33] <thegoodcushion> I like GNOME
[05:33] <thegoodcushion> I doubt that it can be improved on with present technology
[05:34] <thegoodcushion> until we get 3D screens or speech recognition, GNOME's as good as it gets for me
[05:34] <JamezQ> oh come now, everything can be improved
[05:34] <JamezQ> but if you like it, stick with it
[05:34] <thegoodcushion> Does Unity replace GNOME?
[05:34] <JamezQ> not if you already have it installed
[05:34] <JamezQ> just like installing kde will not replace gnome
[05:34] <JamezQ> keep in mind, even the guys who made Gnome thought it could be improved.
[05:35] <thegoodcushion> Is Unity a whole new GUI?
[05:35] <JamezQ> yes
[05:35] <JamezQ> but, so is Gnome3 and gnome-shell
[05:35] <thegoodcushion> Nah, I'm sticking with GNOME
[05:35] <thegoodcushion> I guess that means I'm staying with 10.10
[05:35] <thegoodcushion> Or maybe moving to Debian
[05:36] <freaky[t]> thegoodcushion: u can select "classic"
[05:36] <freaky[t]> without unity
[05:36] <JamezQ> or, you can use 11.04
[05:36] <JamezQ> and use gnome
[05:36] <freaky[t]> from the dropdown menu
[05:36] <freaky[t]> in gdm
[05:36] <thegoodcushion> well I think if it's not the default interface I don't want to use it
[05:36] <JamezQ> and debian based system is very easy to change based on what you want.
[05:36] <thegoodcushion> One of the things I like about Ubuntu is that GNOME is the default
[05:36] <freaky[t]> ill try that now and check if i still get this screenlag
[05:36] <thegoodcushion> the packages etc are always going to be geared towards the default GUI
[05:36] <JamezQ> ....well in that set of mind, Debian has no default interface
[05:37] <JamezQ> you choose on install between a few, if you do pick to have a GUI
[05:38] <JamezQ> I actaully don't know ANY distros that are using Gnome2 by default
[05:38] <JamezQ> any "big" ones, at least
[05:38] <JamezQ> not that it matters - this is linux, you can add anything to anything you want.
[05:39] <thegoodcushion> Ubuntu 10.10 uses GNOME 2
[05:39] <thegoodcushion> Fedora
[05:39] <JamezQ> I'm talking about next releases
[05:39] <JamezQ> ubuntu 10.10 is in the past, I don't mean that
[05:39] <JamezQ> Fedora will be using gnome-shell
[05:39] <JamezQ> not gnome2
[05:39] <thegoodcushion> Unity sort of reminds me of Quicksilver for OS X
[05:40] <freaky[t]> u can select Ubuntu Classic from within GDM before you login and u wont have unity enabled
[05:40] <thegoodcushion> like, it puts all your apps and data right in front of you
[05:40] <thegoodcushion> freaky[t]: I don't think it's the same
[05:40] <freaky[t]> i think so i just did ;D
[05:40] <JamezQ> freaky[t]: he wants one that has it as the default..
[05:40] <thegoodcushion> If Ubuntu is moving to support Unity, then everything is going to change
[05:40] <thegoodcushion> you'll find the support for GNOME will decrease
[05:41] <rww> and the support for KDE will increase :3
[05:41] <JamezQ> thegoodcushion: idk about that, red hat is bigger then canonical. And they support Gnome
[05:41] <thegoodcushion> no the support for Unity will increase and GNOME attention will decrease
[05:41] <thegoodcushion> I don't know why I should abandon GNOME for something that's unproven, untested, unknown
[05:41] <rww> and the support for KDE will increase.
[05:42] <JamezQ> they why did you abandon $(pastos) for linux
[05:42] <thegoodcushion> I use Ubuntu for programming because the repos make it so easy for me to develop
[05:42] <thegoodcushion> If I need any library or compiler, I just load up the repo manager and click click
[05:43] <freaky[t]> ill go to bed now
[05:43] <freaky[t]> good night
[05:43] <rww> 'night
[05:43] <JamezQ> night freaky[t]
[05:43] <JamezQ> then if your okay with loading libraries that are not included
[05:43] <JamezQ> why not GUI's
[05:49] <JamezQ> looking at the top 50 distros on distro watch, I can't find I single one that will be using gnome2 for their main distro in their next release.
[05:49] <thegoodcushion> Ubuntu 10.10 will still be current for a year
[05:49] <JamezQ> So, you should at least try some of the new ones out, they must be good for basically everyone choosing them
[05:50] <JamezQ> It's still "supported", but it's not a current distro
[05:50] <thegoodcushion> I think that Linux needs greater convergence
[05:50] <thegoodcushion> It's no good having all these distros that each have 0.1% market share
[05:50] <thegoodcushion> everyone should pool their efforts
[05:51] <JamezQ> we do,
[05:51] <rww> Linux Mint isn't in the top 50 distros? Huh.
[05:51] <JamezQ> rww: Linux mint is using gnome3
[05:51] <JamezQ> just not gnome shell
[05:51] <rww> ah
[05:51] <JamezQ> thegoodcushion: They do
[05:51] <JamezQ> thegoodcushion: Most of those distros are based of debian, or fedora
[05:52] <thegoodcushion> yep
[05:52] <JamezQ> so that means the efforts ARE pooled together, most distros are just customizations
[05:52] <MK``> Yeah, we're just a big tree with many brances
[05:52] <MK``> hard to see the trunk from up here :D
[05:53] <JamezQ> :P
[05:54] <JamezQ> anyway, thegoodcushion, you shoulden't worry about linux, it's doing just fine. The desktop is not where the money is anyway
[05:54] <thegoodcushion> well there must be a reason why people pay to use Windows
[05:54] <thegoodcushion> it's only been in the last 5 years or so that Linux has become user friendly
[05:55] <MK``> Of the 500 fastest supercomputers in the world, ~92% use Linux
[05:55] <JamezQ> android just became the top selling mobile os
[05:55] <JamezQ> and many more stuff like that
[05:56] <JamezQ> anyway, people on the desktop tend to not pay for what is best
[05:56] <JamezQ> they are "consumers", and they pay for what is pretty and gets marketed to them
[05:56] <rww> #ubuntu-offtopic, please :)
[05:56] <JamezQ> Your right, rww
[05:56] <JamezQ> I will stop
[05:58] <MK``> Heh, I thought this was in the other channel. I will end with this then: http://jpteti.com/post/4072771125/the-ipad-is-99-more-open-than-any-other-computer
[06:01] <JamezQ> O.o
[07:03] <SeRVeR01> morning all
[07:06] <SeRVeR01> any   1 using pidgin-twitter ?
[07:55] <bigbrovar2> hi guys, anyone running kubuntu natty experiencing problems with akonadi Google resource.  mainly it always tells me invalid password even though i type in the right password. and its impossible to i
[07:55] <bigbrovar2> import my google contact and calendar
[08:15] <th^^> any idea how to get emphaty open new chat windows when receiving a message?
[08:37] <SeRVeR01> th^^, u use empathy for what protocl ?
[08:37] <SeRVeR01> th^^, cause if msn there is a gr8 app called emesene
[08:39] <topyli> that doesn't really help with getting empathy to open new windows does it though :)
[08:44] <SeRVeR01> nop :)
[08:52] <tewk> .Xmodmap caps lock remap from maverick does not work in natty, Lenovo W510 us-eng, suggestions?
[09:07] <sveinse> I just installed natty, and I see there are some new things to take in in respect of the GUI. Does it exist any manual or guide of sorts about it?
[09:08] <sveinse> For example I want to open two instances/windows of firefox. How can I do that from laucher (that is its name?)?
[09:13] <th^^> SeRVeR01: i rather use same app for all 4 different protocols
[09:14] <th^^> now whenever i receive message i only see blinking icon in the contacts list and need to click that to see the chat and i miss a lot of messages because of it, annoying
[09:14] <th^^> and those stupid notifications aren't helping any, they just blur out when hovering, i'd expect to be able to click them and open the discussion, i don't understand what's those notifications point at all
[09:17] <SeRVeR01> :)
[09:19] <SeRVeR01> i don't like empathy and pidgin xD
[09:20] <mauri> I have a problem with natty, I know that it is beta version
[09:20] <SeRVeR01> and cause i only use msn am happy with emesene :)
[09:21] <topyli> th^^: don't hover over the notifications. they blur :)
[09:21] <topyli> the point of the notifications is to notify you of a new message
[09:22] <sveinse> what is the name of the app controlling the left hand side icons?
[09:22] <sveinse> and how can I configure it?
[09:29] <sveinse> how can I open a new instance of terminal from the terminal icon on the left?
[09:29] <perscitus> Anyone know how to keep window controls out of the panel?
[09:30] <mauri> my internet connettion with natty is tooooooo slow
[09:40] <sveinse> hmm. everyone on this channel is obviously not on this TZ
[09:49] <ripps> Anybody have any idea how to properly fullscreen Elder Scrolls: Oblivion using wine. The Unity top panel is alway visible and it's kind of annoying
[09:58] <zniavre> sveinse, middle clic can open a second instance of apps
[10:02] <malv0> so is unity the default?
[10:03] <zniavre> for people with recent PC yes it is
[10:08] <sveinse> zniavre: aahh. Thanks
[10:09] <zniavre> sveinse,  :o)
[10:13] <sveinse> Is is possible to add desktop pager on the top bar or similar? I find the new desktop pager to be cumbersome since I have to press the mouse many times to get to the desktop I want.
[10:19] <phibxr> haven't seen any updates for a few days. can we expect any more updates to hit before release?
[10:26] <jibadeeha> anyone here managed to install Chrome on ubuntu 11.04
[10:27] <nijabo> yup
[10:27] <jibadeeha> did you have any issues installing it?
[10:28] <nijabo> Downloaded the dev release
[10:28] <jibadeeha> ah perhaps i should try that
[10:28] <nijabo> Yeah I had some troubles with the normal release
[10:28] <nijabo> Yeah give it a shot, let me know how it goes.
[10:28] <jibadeeha> cheers nijabo will do
[10:31] <torchie> chrome or chromium
[10:32] <torchie> i got chromium from software center no prob
[10:33] <nijabo> I enjoy Chrome more than Chromium
[10:33] <nijabo> But the difference is minor at best
[10:33] <nijabo> I think it's the flash basically
[10:35] <jibadeeha> i got chrome stable to finally install .. it seems it doesn't like you having Chromium open whilst installing Chrome .. when i shut down Chromium then Chrome suddenly kicked in and started installing
[10:37] <torchie> flash eh?
[10:37] <torchie> does it run faster?
[10:38] <torchie> because this HP's got discrete graphics that I assume blow my 06 macbook away and yet
[10:38] <torchie> I can't even run a 480p video
[10:39] <torchie> ah nevermind not discrete
[10:43] <phibxr> why would I have applications in the dash that aren't visible in alacarte, and how do I remove them?
[10:47] <phibxr> can I configure the applications shown in Dash directly?
[11:33] <jibadeeha> does dropbox use the new indicator area?
[11:34] <ZeXx86> Hello, is possible to disable hiding of the application's menu in panel in ubuntu 11.04 ?
[11:34] <ZeXx86> under Unity
[11:35] <ZeXx86> I think it slow down work efficiency
[11:36] <greenguy> how I can install gnome 3 in natty?
[11:36] <ZeXx86> greenguy: I recommend to you, download testing livecd
[11:36] <ZeXx86> greenguy: gnome 3 is not so good for usability I guess
[11:37] <greenguy> I have natty installed now
[11:37] <greenguy> ok :)
[11:37] <ZeXx86> greenguy: I think Unity is better
[11:37] <greenguy> cant download now, I am at country side connected on Edge
[11:38] <greenguy> yeah, but it doesnt work on my ati dell notebook
[11:38] <greenguy> I tried with propertary driver and without
[11:38] <greenguy> and it freez after login
[11:38] <greenguy> only with ubuntu clasic no effects, works natty
[11:39] <ZeXx86> yes, linux video drivers are in very, very bad state at least with intel and ati
[11:39] <greenguy> I bought a dell notebook latest day and my mistake about study how works ati drivers..
[11:39] <greenguy> my desktop pc with nvidia works very nice with ubuntu
[11:39] <ZeXx86> what model do you have ?
[11:40] <ZeXx86> lspci
[11:40] <ZeXx86> some ati cards are working good with opensource drivers
[11:41] <greenguy> VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc M880G [Mobility Radeon HD 4200]
[11:41] <robin0800> it may not help but this tool DRIconf 0.9.1 can tweak the ati gallium driver
[11:42] <greenguy> this tool can be downloaded from ubuntu software center?
[11:42] <greenguy> on edge connection? :))
[11:42] <robin0800> greenguy, yes
[11:47] <greenguy> i installed DRIconf, what settings I must do?
[11:49] <robin0800> greenguy, sorry I don't know
[11:49] <greenguy>  ok :)
[13:18] <freaky[t]>  hm, i've added arround 30gig MP3s to banshee now it is really slowly responding ... :((
[13:18] <freaky[t]> what can I do?
[13:18] <freaky[t]> it takes ~6 seconds to load next song
[13:24] <jo-erlend> freaky[t], perhaps it's indexing? I don't think the storage size is important. The number of songs will most likely be much more important.
[13:26] <aguitel> i have nvidia card and in maverick works with driver nvidia-173 but in natty no 3d effects ,anyone know this?
[13:31] <freaky[t]> jo-erlend: no it's not indexing anymore i had it running over the night
[13:31] <lucas-arg> aguitel: try nvidia-current
[13:31] <aguitel> lucas-arg, this is old card
[13:31] <aguitel> lucas-arg, geoforce 4 mx440
[13:50] <mongy> all updated as of this morning,, and still getting this.   http://i.imgur.com/QCsVy.png
[13:52] <freaky[t]> how do I go into hidden folders with the filemanager of ubuntu?
[13:55] <freaky[t]> i wanna go into .minecraft/
[13:55] <freaky[t]> ~/.minecraft/
[13:56] <penguin42> freaky[t]: Go to the view menu on the file manager and select view hidden files
[13:57] <freaky[t]> oh yes i forgot it shows a menu at the top didnt have it maximized
[13:57] <freaky[t]> thank you very much
[13:57] <frankwe> freaky[t]: you can also use Ctrl+L to type the location in the location bar
[13:57] <freaky[t]> thanks :D
[14:03] <jo-erlend> ctrl+h shows hidden files.
[14:16] <histo> anyone else getting a huge amount of packet loss with natty? I'm using atheros wireless card
[14:17] <greenguy> no
[14:17] <greenguy> I have natty with atheros
[14:19] <histo> i'm getting like 10%-14% packet loss
[14:20] <histo> pulling like 1K a sec from repos at the moent
[14:20] <histo> and ssh to my other box is painfully slow
[14:21] <nijabo> Not me histo
[14:21] <nijabo> Haven't had any problems with my net
[14:21] <greenguy> restart your router
[14:21] <greenguy> what brand is your router?
[14:21] <histo> greenguy: it's not my router it's natty my other boxes are fine
[14:22] <histo> greenguy: and this machine is fine in other distros.
[14:22] <greenguy> I have no problems with atheros
[14:22] <histo> wireless is an AR928X chipset
[14:22] <greenguy> I have problems with ati graphic drivers :)
[14:23] <histo> I'll have to troubleshoot later.  I don't have time this morning but i'll file a bug if I can narrow it down
[14:23] <greenguy> 04:00.0 Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) (rev 01)
[14:23] <greenguy> this is mine
[14:26] <histo> Yeah I don't get it. No packet loss on wired. and my other boxes have no packet loss. I think I have a usb wifi adapter lying around I can try later
[14:28] <greenguy> ok
[14:28] <greenguy> what video card do you have?
[14:29] <histo> intel mobile 4
[14:29] <sveinse> how can I configure the launcher (it's is name, right) on the left hand side? I'd like to make the icons smaller for one
[14:30] <histo> sveinse: if you install compizconfig-settings-manager you can control unity settings like that.
[14:32] <sveinse> Are there a corresponding icon size setting for dash?
[14:32] <axle> hello! I can't get unity to work on my HDD install, though it worked when trying the live cd :/ I got an nvidia 410m graphics card
[14:33] <greenguy> my ati hd 4200 freez after login with unity..
[14:34] <axle> I'll try to remove the nvidia driver, to only use the integrated intel chip. brb reboot
[14:37] <axle> o.O unity works now :/
[14:37] <axle> that's crap, I wanna be able to use my nvidia card :/
[14:38] <mns`> axle: you cold try to enable the experimental 3D support for the nouveau driver
[14:38] <axle> mhm yeah true
[14:38] <mns`> axle: i have a nvidia too and it only workd when i enable nouveau 3D
[14:39] <mns`> axle: running it right now
[14:39] <mns`> axle: really fast with winty here
[14:39] <mns`> axle: i don't have what com complain
[14:40] <mns`> axle: when i tried the proprietary nvidia driver unity just sucked
[14:40] <mns`> when i switch to noveau + 3D support everything was solved
[14:40] <axle> mns`: do flash videos work in fullscreen mode with nouveau? it wouldn't work for me with the propietary drivers :/ now it works again
[14:40] <mns`> here yeas
[14:40] <mns`> and i'm on amd64
[14:40] <mns`> with flash in 32bits
[14:41] <mns`> and it worked for me with no problems
[14:41] <axle> did you also try the propietary one?
[14:41] <mns`> try to enable the experimental 3D support for nouvea in the "retricted drivers"
[14:42] <mns`> axle: yeah, i tried and it sucked
[14:42] <mns`> very slow
[14:42] <axscode> hi guys, where can i find preferences and administration ?
[14:42] <mns`> axle: when i was give up unity i'm remembered the 3D nouveu driver
[14:42] <axle> hit the super / windows button and type in what you are looking for :)
[14:42] <mns`> axle: and ir just worked
[14:42] <axle> okay it's installing right now
[14:43] <axscode> axle ah but problem is i dont know what are the names
[14:43] <mns`> axle: then logout and login
[14:43] <mns`> top right menu > system config/preference
[14:44] <sveinse> axscode: I also find discovering unknown problems hard with dash, but I found it as "system settings"
[14:44] <sveinse> *problems = programs
[14:44] <axscode> what da ya mean?
[14:46] <mns`> axle: after you installed it, please tell me if it worked for you to
[14:46] <axle> axscode: search for system settings ;)
[14:46] <axle> mns`: ok will reboot now :)
[14:47] <axscode> yeah, i think i found it at the Power Button at the top right
[14:47] <sveinse> axscode: Press either the ubuntu logo in top left or press you windows/super key. Then type "system settings"... Just typing system will propose it
[14:47] <mns`> axle: =]
[14:47] <axscode> actually you can find it also at the power button last menu of power button
[14:47] <axle> axscode: right that's the other way to do it :D i prefer the quick search ;)
[14:48] <axscode> i find it easy the usual way
[14:48] <axscode> that was a good taxonomy method
[14:49] <sveinse> I have to admit I need much more time to adjust to the new launcher. I mean in Win7 you at least have access to the traditional menu
[14:49] <penguin42> sveinse: You can still switch back to ubuntu classic
[14:50] <axscode> is there anyway to adjust the icon of launcher?
[14:50] <axscode> i mean the isze
[14:50] <miho> hi!  i'm install 11.04 from usb flashDrive dev/sda to USB HDD dev/sdb install succes after reboot i have Grub Rescue ... please help
[14:50] <axscode> size
[14:51] <axle> mns`: works :)
[14:51] <histo> sveinse: yeah this no menu thing is getting annoying to me
[14:51] <miho> grub rescue ls give (hd0) (hd0,msdos1)
[14:51] <mns`> axle: =D!!!
[14:51] <mns`> axle: and all free driver!
[14:51] <mns`> axle: here is very fast, no problem so far
[14:51] <axle> though it would be cool if it would also work with the propietary one, because it's much better when it comes to 3D gaming and such :/
[14:52] <mns`> axle: i'm using unity + nouveau 3D for 20 days
[14:52] <mns`> axle: yeah i know
[14:52] <mns`> axle: i reported a bug against that
[14:52] <mns`> but nothing happened
[14:52] <sveinse> penguin42: Sure, but I do want to try out unity as this is considered a step forward...
[14:53] <axle> I think it's a compiz bug or something, I tried "compiz --repülace" when using the prop. driver and it dais GLX extension would be missing for display 0.0 or something like that
[14:53] <mns`> axle: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/+bug/762749
[14:53] <mns`> axle: maybe
[14:53] <mns`> axle: but i'm ok with nouveau
[14:53] <mns`> axle: try it a little and see =]
[14:53] <axscode> sorry, maybe you all missed my inquiry, i want to ask about the new launcher if we can make a smaller icons? is there a configuration?
[14:53] <miho> please help ...
[14:54] <axle> btw: is there a list of all keybinds in unity? e.g. is there a bind for this dashboard feature? like in os x, the dashboard?
[14:54] <sveinse> I'm using 5-6 desktops at the most, with a 3-7 apps on each desktop. It seems that *every* open app will show in the new launcher. Makes it impossible to keep track of it all
[14:55] <sveinse> Can I configure that? And can I add a desktop pager into the launcher giving me direct access to my desktops?
[14:55] <mns`> axle: in the preferences you'll find it
[14:56] <ubuntu_> hi!  i'm install 11.04 from usb flashDrive dev/sda to USB HDD dev/sdb install succes after reboot i have Grub Rescue ... please help
[14:56] <ubuntu_> grub rescue ls give (hd0) (hd0,msdos1)
[14:56] <nyuszika7h> ubuntu_, were you using Windows earlier?
[14:57] <sveinse> axcode: I had to install the compizconfig settings manager to adjust the launcher icon size. I have no idea why this app is not installed per default
[14:57] <nyuszika7h> I mean, did you have a dual-boot with Windows and Ubuntu and just formatted/removed the Ubuntu partition?
[14:57] <axscode> i hace compizconfig though.. ill check it out there
[14:57] <ubuntu_> 10.10
[14:58] <axscode> ok, how about, showing the old menu system?
[14:58] <nyuszika7h> In that case, boot from your Windows CD/DVD, choose "Repair your computer", then "Command Prompt". Type "bootrec /fixboot" then "bootrec /fixmbr" (without quotes) and problem is solved.
[14:58] <sveinse> axcode: You'll find it under Ubuntu Unity Plugin -> Experimental -> Launcher icon size
[14:58] <musicssound> Hello, Can someone tell me the difference between the standard and Mac isos?
[14:58] <nyuszika7h> ubuntu_, you told us you are using Natty (11.04) earlier...
[14:58] <axscode> oic
[14:58] <sveinse> Not intuitive location unfortunately
[14:59] <ubuntu_> part with 10.10. in /boot/grub.cfg  have (hd0,msdos1)
[14:59] <sveinse> I've been using linux and ubuntu for years (decade?), but I feel I'm demoted to n00b now :o
[14:59] <ubuntu_> part with 11.04. in /boot/grub.cfg  have (des/sdb,msdos6)
[15:00] <ubuntu_> dev*
[15:01] <ubuntu_> im edit grub.cfg in 11.04 to (hd0,msdos6) but no happens
[15:02] <axscode> i found it, seems hard to find, i hope they will put a right click on the launcher panel somewhere
[15:04] <axscode> ok is there anyway i can show the old menu s
[15:08] <musicssound> Can someone tell me the difference between the standard and Mac isos?
[15:11] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[15:15] <compdoc> is that all we are to you - folks?
[15:17] <BluesKaj> and a Happy Easter to you too .
[15:21] <compdoc> merry jesus to you
[15:23] <antihc333> Is there a way to adjust the menu?
[15:33] <sveinse> Is there a way to adjust the icon size of dash? I mean, I'm using 9 pt (96 DPI) fonts everywhere else because I want more on the screen, not more DPI. The dash icon size is like *whoha* biiig.
[15:41] <Volkodav> anybody noticed skype does not show in gnome panel anymore ?
[15:43] <BluesKaj> Volkodav,  recommend copying the skype binary to /usr/bin and installing sounds/, lang/ and avatars/ into the /usr/share/skype directory.
[15:43] <Volkodav> ok thanks
[15:44] <BluesKaj> Volkodav, it's in the readme in your ~/skype folder
[15:49] <Volkodav> sounds/, lang/ and avatars/ are in /usr/share/skype directory.
[15:49] <Volkodav> but no readme in ~/skype folder
[15:52] <BluesKaj> odd
[15:52] <BluesKaj> Volkodav, did you use a package manager to install it
[15:52] <Volkodav> yes
[15:53] <Volkodav> it showed up in updates
[15:54] <BluesKaj> ok , that could explain the no readme ...I use the static version which is compiled from a tar file
[15:59] <wechat> hello
[15:59] <wechat> on my friend netbook samsung after 10.10 updated to 11.04 alpha keyboard switcher has gone. Any suggestions?
[16:01] <sam04938475> hello   ubuntu 11.04 is out wednesday right?
[16:01] <wechat> ok
[16:01] <wechat> heh
[16:01] <BluesKaj> sam04938475, thurs
[16:01] <sam04938475> BluesKaj,   cool.  so is it available now?
[16:02] <sam04938475> i mean is there much difference to the one available now and the one out on thursday ?
[16:02] <BluesKaj> the beta2 is sam04938475
[16:02] <wechat> anyway I was on alpha for 3 times -- and *always* had troubles -- so oooo it's a very long-time question -- even after wednasday
[16:02] <sam04938475> oh  right..
[16:03] <sam04938475> ok  well im using 10.10 now    can i install the global menu  thats all i want anyway  lol
[16:03] <BluesKaj> sam04938475, that's the mystery , dunno ...but I think there are some last minute devs going as in any new release
[16:03] <DrHalan> hey
[16:03] <wechat> global menu was on 11.04 from iso-alpha even in classic mode
[16:03] <sam04938475> 囧   ahh well.    ill have to look see if i can find the global menu
[16:03] <DrHalan> my gnomevfs crashes when i try to use removable media (especially when copying to it)
[16:04] <DrHalan> so i can't use usb sticks / usb harddrives on my machine properly :/
[16:04] <DrHalan> is there a know issue in natty?
[16:08] <DrHalan> anyone? this is really driving me nuts
[16:15] <penguin42> DrHalan: I've not seen anyone else report that on here
[16:16] <DrHalan> its really strange
[16:16] <DrHalan> i try to copy something to a usb-harddrive and then it reports an error
[16:17] <DrHalan> nad the drive is unmounted and remounted again..
[16:17] <DrHalan> maybe it has something to do with the ntfs drivers
[16:18] <penguin42> what error exactly are you seeing - you say it's an NTFS thumb drive?
[16:23] <compdoc> thats an odd fs for a thumbdrive
[16:30] <DrHalan> it says "failed to copy file xy" and then i can
[16:30] <DrHalan> choose to skip said file
[16:31] <penguin42> DrHalan: Does it work reliably for non-NTFS usb storage devices?
[16:46] <mongy> someone explain what the home-expanded option means.. "Whether the home screen should be expanded"  I have set the form-factor to netbook so I get full dash, but what does that home option do?
[16:53] <jo-erlend> mongy, where do you do that?
[16:54] <mongy> dconf-editor
[16:55] <mongy> what exactly is the home screen
[16:56] <mongy> its default is expanded, so its not the file manager dash...
[16:57] <mongy> gah, and I wish compiz would stop acting up.  I set an edge for scale (since edge+buttons dont work still) and its just stopped responding, till I disable/enable a plugin to get it to restart.
[16:58] <zniavre> http://i.imgur.com/I2eFb.png  héhéhé look at the panel on top ...
[16:58] <mongy> upside down?
[16:59] <zniavre> something like that yeah
[16:59] <zniavre> ¿ ou ǝƃuɐɹʇs
[17:01] <penguin42> zniavre: Oh yeh getting the panel upside down is odd
[17:08] <Alexia_Death> Okay, what happened to knetworkmanager?
[17:08] <Alexia_Death> the plasmoid simply refuses to connect to my wireless
[17:11] <BluesKaj> Alexia_Death, run sudo dhclient wlan0
[17:11] <BluesKaj> then try connecting again
[17:11] <Alexia_Death> BluesKaj: How does that help if it does not accoiciate wit AP?
[17:11] <Alexia_Death> 'admitetly...
[17:11] <Alexia_Death> I didnt check that:P
[17:11] <Alexia_Death> Trying
[17:14] <Alexia_Death> okay didnt work
[17:14] <Alexia_Death> but dmesg gave me a hint as to wtf is going on.
[17:15] <Alexia_Death> iwlagn 0000:0c:00.0: Microcode SW error detected.  Restarting 0x82000000.
[17:15] <Alexia_Death> any ideas?
[17:15] <BluesKaj> Alexia_Death,  iwconfig ?
[17:17] <Alexia_Death> BluesKaj: http://pastebin.com/aSrAMJXU
[17:20] <BluesKaj> Alexia_Death, this isn't related your problem , but I couldn't get knetworkmanager to work with my belkin ralink usb wifi adapter , I had to use wpa_supplicant ..personally I think knetworkmanager needs alot of work , but that depends on the wifi chip , anything other than atheros or braodcom seem to be hopeless from what I've seen here
[17:20] <Alexia_Death> I cant install knetworkmanager in natty any more.
[17:21] <Alexia_Death> anyway  I think I know what my problem is.
[17:21] <Alexia_Death> Im using a funny kernel.
[17:21] <BluesKaj> ahhh
[17:21] <vish> fernel ?
[17:22] <Alexia_Death> I had a crash problem that was resolved mostly by setting a power management related kernel parameter.
[17:22] <Alexia_Death> but before I found out I tried various kernels.
[17:23] <damadprof> Sorry if this has been asked before, but after the latest updates my firefox browser now has no sound at all and yet I can play mp3/mp4/flv's ?
[17:27] <BluesKaj> Alexia_Death, well there is the wicd alternative , whether it will work reliably on natty isn't confirmed
[17:28] <magicianlord> so now that ubuntu has gone renegade, things are getting broken
[17:30] <BluesKaj> magicianlord, is that a general comment or ....?
[17:30] <damadprof> I can play audio files/mp4's using totem/vlc but firefox now has no audio at all, it plays video ok though.
[17:32]  * BluesKaj hasn't used FF since upgrading to natty ..google-chrome works well on all fronts
[17:42] <Omega> damadprof: What were you testing it on?
[17:47] <jo-erlend> is there a reason why the software center doesn't begin to download package 2 when package 1 is downloaded and being installed? That would save quite some time and effort in many cases.
[17:50] <Omega> BluesKaj: That's not particularly helpful, if you want to chat, there's always #ubuntu-offtopic
[17:54] <BluesKaj> Omega, merely suggesting an alternative to FF which is becoming crash prone and clunky
[17:56] <Omega> I've had much more trouble with chrome than Firefox. And we should try helping the users instead of suggesting alternative (propietary) software right off the bat.
[17:56] <Omega> .
[17:58] <Ian_Corne> chromium is open source software
[17:58] <Ian_Corne> .
[17:58] <Ian_Corne> google-chrome is just the branded version
[17:58] <BluesKaj> Omega, alternatives are a legit route ..it's up to the person , He can use it or not.
[18:00] <Omega> Ian_Corne: Google Chrome is propietary (see the flash and pdf plugins)
[18:01] <Alexia_Death> Okay, now I have WiFi, but no nvidia drivers :/
[18:01] <BluesKaj> Alexia_Death, , what did you do ?
[18:01] <Alexia_Death> BluesKaj: Installed the latest kernel and rebooted.
[18:02] <Alexia_Death> had to revert to nv
[18:02] <Alexia_Death> nvidia binary kernel module stoped working.
[18:03] <BluesKaj> kde right , then look in the kmenu/apps/system/additional drivers for the recommended driver and choose and activate
[18:04] <lucas-arg> i havent had upgrades for a while... thats weird...
[18:05] <Alexia_Death> BluesKaj: I had binary drivers installed before upgrade.
[18:05] <BluesKaj> wsigh
[18:05] <Alexia_Death> But I will try to upgrade
[18:05] <zenrox> i have a question i am trying  to get my memory card mounted as swap(allready formated as swap)
[18:06] <Alexia_Death> BluesKaj: Thanks for the help :)
[18:07] <perscitus> Did they fix the Ubuntu Installer screenshots yet?
[18:07] <BluesKaj> Alexia_Death, the binary drivers will work , but not on all cards , despite what the nvidia website tells us.
[18:07] <Alexia_Death> BluesKaj: IT does work for my card. Has for a while.
[18:07] <zenrox> nividia drivers work for mine
[18:07] <Alexia_Death> BluesKaj: HAve been rnning ubuntu on this laptop since feisty :)
[18:08] <lucas-arg> how do i integrate synaptic with global menu? any ideas?
[18:08] <BluesKaj> ok Alexia_Death , which card..it's good to know which one]
[18:08] <Alexia_Death> However for some reason dthey dont work with this kenel :/
[18:08] <zenrox> 8200m
[18:08] <perscitus> Is there a way to disable moving controls to panel when maximized?
[18:08] <Alexia_Death> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G84 [GeForce 8600M GT] (rev a1)
[18:09] <perscitus> lucas-arg,  global menu in natty sucks
[18:09] <Alexia_Death> where is the dkms log?
[18:09] <BluesKaj> Alexia_Death, intersting , normally the 8XXX series cards use nvidia-current
[18:10] <Alexia_Death> BluesKaj: I have that installed.
[18:10] <BluesKaj> good
[18:10] <lucas-arg> perscitus: i like the idea, they just need to polish it
[18:10] <Alexia_Death> but for some reason it seems to not have built for my kernel.
[18:10] <perscitus> lucas-arg, Only works in mouseover, thats just dumb
[18:10] <BluesKaj> why are you fooling with the kernels anyway , Alexia_Death?
[18:11] <lucas-arg> perscitus: i thought the same... they should let us configure it more...
[18:11] <perscitus> lucas-arg,  I just really REALLY hate how maxmimize windows has contol buttons moved
[18:11] <BluesKaj> due to the wifi modules , Alexia_Death?
[18:12] <perscitus> lucas-arg,  and i cant find out how to disable it. The buttons get graphic artifacts when you use semi transparent panel too
[18:13] <Alexia_Death> Daminit. Forgot to install kernel headers:/
[18:14] <lucas-arg> perscitus: im not using unity... i think it needs more time... its still being developed and probably will be in development after 11.04 is out... ill stay with stable and tested for a while...
[18:14] <Alexia_Death> BluesKaj: My laptop used to hard crash with some kernel version up.
[18:14] <perscitus> lucas-arg,  thats all Ubuntu has for 11.10
[18:15] <Alexia_Death> BluesKaj: Went through many kernels before I got some advice that worked.
[18:15] <lucas-arg> perscitus: i would prefered they go for gnome 3... but! who knows whats up next with ubuntu
[18:15] <perscitus> lucas-arg,  i disabled global menu. its appmenu  in repo
[18:16] <Alexia_Death> BluesKaj: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="pcie_aspm=off" is needed for my laptop with all the newer kernels.
[18:16] <lucas-arg> perscitus: im using ubuntu classic interface with appmenu and docky...  (osx style... almost...)
[18:16] <jo-erlend> lucas-arg, yes, gnome 3 is on its way. Gnome-shell won't be default though, but it will be available.
[18:17] <escott> jo-erlend, is there a timeline on that?
[18:17] <Alexia_Death> BluesKaj: And Im told it's not a foolproof fix for the problem even but the other trigger condition is external monitor and Im not using one.
[18:17] <perscitus> lucas-arg,  Canonical was dumb not backing gnome 3 since it is plenty stable compared to unity
[18:17] <BluesKaj> well, Alexia_Death I've already given the best advice I know ... I don't fool with kernels unless a new one doesn't boot then I normally try the recovery or revert to an earlier one.
[18:18] <jo-erlend> escott, a finished one? Not very likely, but I would be willing to guess most developers would want to have most of it in by oneiric so that the P-cycle can be used to polish as much as possible without introducing too many new features.
[18:18] <Alexia_Death> BluesKaj: Well, the most help I got was from just asking and starting to think in the right direction ;) That seems to always work:)
[18:18] <lucas-arg> gtk2-3 is gnome... if they are moving to qt or stayin with gtk or maybe using both i can understand why they are making a new interface... but xfce gnome kde lxde etc Its nice to have more UI
[18:19] <Alexia_Death> BluesKaj: So thanks:)
[18:19] <escott> jo-erlend, I just want to be able to try gnome-shell so that I can decide which I like more, but I'm worried that gnome3 ppa might break unity
[18:19] <BluesKaj> Alexia_Death, your welcome ...sort of :)
[18:20] <jo-erlend> escott, very high likelyhood of that atm.
[18:20]  * Alexia_Death is prone to messing with anything due to having started of from Gentoo long time ago:)
[18:20] <escott> jo-erlend, high likelyhood of breaking unity
[18:20] <jo-erlend> escott, yes.
[18:21] <Alexia_Death> X kil
[18:21] <Alexia_Death> X kill
[18:22] <Omega> perscitus: Can you be a little more constructive?
[18:22] <Omega> This is not the place for criticism, there are many channels for that.
[18:22] <Omega> In here we try to help users.
[18:22] <Omega> Saying "X sucks" "Y was stupid for doing Z" does not help.
[18:24] <lucas-arg> 11.10 will use wayland?
[18:24] <perscitus> Is there a way to disable moving controls to panel when maximized?
[18:25] <jo-erlend> lucas-arg,  not likely. It'll probably be available in the repos, but not used by default.
[18:25] <Omega> lucas-arg: This hasn't been decided yet, but I really really doubt it.
[18:25] <Omega> I don't think it's even going to come up in UDS-O.
[18:25] <lucas-arg> thats would be interesting
[18:25] <jo-erlend> perscitus, I thought you said you weren't using unity?
[18:26] <perscitus> jo-erlend,  who said i was using unity dock?
[18:27] <Omega> perscitus: What controls are you talking about?
[18:27] <perscitus> Omega,  the window controls.
[18:27] <jo-erlend> and what panel?
[18:27] <perscitus> Cairo Dock is better
[18:27] <jo-erlend> ...
[18:28] <Omega> perscitus: Are you using Cairo Dock?
[18:28] <perscitus> Omega,  has nothing to do with my original question
[18:28] <Omega> Exactly, I don't know why you're bringing it up.
[18:29] <jo-erlend> perscitus, you're just trolling now, right?
[18:29] <Omega> jo-erlend: I think so too.
[18:29] <lucas-arg> it would rock to let users choose the UI after ubuntu finishes installing... like an option in the installation process...
[18:29] <Omega> !ot
[18:30] <jo-erlend> lucas-arg, that would mean redesigning the entire operating system, removing kubuntu, lubuntu, etc. That's not going to happen. Ubuntu should try to deliver a recognizable default setup.
[18:30] <perscitus> Is there a way to disable moving controls to panel when maximized?
[18:31] <jo-erlend> perscitus, please leave.
[18:31] <perscitus> jo-erlend,  you are welcome to /ignore. But i need help
[18:31] <lucas-arg> jo-erlend: that would be something that no OS has
[18:32] <jo-erlend> perscitus, we've been trying to help you, but you refuse to say what it is you need help with. That makes me think you're just trolling.
[18:32] <perscitus> jo-erlend,  i just did. read the question.
[18:32] <jo-erlend> perscitus, you've only said that you don't use unity. You haven't said what you _do_ use. Do you use xfce4-panel, lxpanel, gnome-panel... What?
[18:33] <Omega> And then you started going on about how Cairo Dock is better.
[18:33] <perscitus> jo-erlend,  I think you are trolling now
[18:34] <jo-erlend> perscitus, uh...
[18:35] <jo-erlend> perscitus, unless you ask a question that can theoretically be answered, forget receiving any help.
[18:35] <perscitus> Is there a way to disable moving controls to toppanel when maximized?
[18:35] <Omega> We can't help you if you don't tell us what you're using.
[18:35] <jussi> perscitus: in unity?
[18:35] <perscitus> Omega,  that is obvious to what im using. duh
[18:35] <jo-erlend> perscitus, you have to say what panel you're using!
[18:36] <escott> perscitus, you want to disable the global menu
[18:36] <escott> perscitus, in unity?
[18:36] <perscitus> escott,  did that already
[18:36] <Omega> jo-erlend: S/he said s/he wasn't using unity.
[18:36] <perscitus> Omega,  No i didnt
[18:36] <jo-erlend> ... wow.
[18:36] <perscitus> Omega,  quit putting words in my mouth its rude
[18:36] <perscitus> Omega,  follow the CoC
[18:36] <Omega> < perscitus> jo-erlend,  who said i was using unity dock?
[18:37] <Omega> I'm pretty sure you did.
[18:37] <jo-erlend> Omega, now he's going to say "I didn't say I wasn't using it either".
[18:37] <AureiAnimus> does the list of certified laptops come with the release or does it take a while?
[18:37] <perscitus> Omega,  i said UNITY DOCK
[18:38] <perscitus> Omega,  Unity is more then a dock.
[18:38] <Omega> perscitus: unity is the whole thing, the top panel and all.
[18:38] <Omega> I've had enough.
[18:39] <DrHalan> this is really wierd...usbdrives only don't work when unity is used...
[18:39] <lucas-arg> perscitus: yeah its gnome-panel modified + a dock (with less functions then any other linux dock)
[18:39] <DrHalan> on ubuntu classic eveerything works fine
[18:39] <perscitus> Is there a way to disable moving  window controls to panel when maximized?
[18:40] <jo-erlend> yes, I've had enough too.
[18:41] <perscitus> Why can't people just answer SIMPLE QUESTION
[18:42] <jo-erlend> perscitus, because you make it impossible on purpose.
[18:42] <perscitus> They rather be rude, disrespectful and argumentive.
[18:43] <tsimpson> perscitus: if no one knows, no one can answer
[18:43] <Omega> perscitus: ask on http://askubuntu.com
[18:44] <topyli> i don't suppose it's possible to disable it
[18:45] <perscitus> topyli,  Gotta be
[18:45] <topyli> okay
[18:45] <lars_t_h> lucas-arg, earlier you wrote something about GTK+ and Qt. GTK 2.x, GTK 3.x and Qt 4.4 will be installed with Natty. Mark S. had wrote a blog about why.
[18:45] <lars_t_h> *s/4.4/4.7
[18:48] <Omega> I think we're dropping GTK2 from the CD with Oneiric (we'll try to port everything to GTK3)
[18:48] <perscitus> topyli,  Natty is the worse release to custmize to one's own tastes
[18:48] <lars_t_h> lucas-arg, Mark S about Qt apps: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/568
[18:48] <tsimpson> so use Lucid LTS
[18:49] <Omega> perscitus: Really? isn't everything just a package install away?
[18:49] <topyli> perscitus: how so?
[18:49] <perscitus> topyli,  no configs, nothing in gconf hardly
[18:49] <Omega> We're using dconf now.
[18:50] <topyli> perscitus: oh you must mean unity
[18:50] <lars_t_h> perscitus, use the gconf database to chage it. I use a shell sript witch makes all the changes.
[18:50] <lars_t_h> *s/chage/change
[18:50] <Omega> perscitus: if you don't like unity, install another shell or desktop environment, it's easy.
[18:50] <Omega> I'll even walk you through it.
[18:51] <perscitus> Omega,  you are trolling
[19:01] <perscitus> Is there a way to disable moving  window controls to panel when maximized?
[19:01] <jo-erlend> !ops
[19:01] <Logan_> ,,,
[19:01] <Logan_> jo-erlend: Huh?
[19:02] <jo-erlend> someone has to get ridd of this troll.
[19:02] <Logan_> That wasn't a channel emergency.
[19:02] <Omega> He's been going at it for quite a while.
[19:03] <rww> !ignore
[19:04] <jo-erlend> that's true. Done.
[19:09] <perscitus> im not the only person it seems, http://askubuntu.com/questions/25789/is-there-a-way-to-remove-maximized-window-controls-title-from-top-panel-in-unity
[19:12] <AureiAnimus> does the list of certified laptops come with the release or does it take a while?
[19:13] <perscitus> AureiAnimus,  takes awhile.
[19:14] <AureiAnimus> should i think in the range of ~2 weeks, or ~2 months?
[19:16] <jo-erlend> AureiAnimus, that's an ongoing process, isn't it?
[19:16] <perscitus> Dell dropped Ubuntu it seems
[19:17] <AureiAnimus> yeah, but i imagine if OEMs have functioning hardware with a new release they'd get it certified asap
[19:17] <popey> http://www1.euro.dell.com/uk/en/home/ubuntu_deals/fs.aspx?refid=ubuntu_deals&s=dhs&cs=ukdhs1 seems to ship with Ubuntu in my country
[19:19] <jo-erlend> popey, 10.04 though?
[19:20] <popey> LTS
[19:20] <popey> makes sense
[19:20] <lucas-arg> i think we should be talking about serious things... is angry birds gonna be available in 11.04 repositories?
[19:21] <popey> http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/make/Dell
[19:21] <popey> some are certified to run 10.10
[19:21] <popey> many in fact
[19:21] <popey> anyway the ubuntu certification system is set to change shortly, so this is somewhat moot
[19:24] <rexbron_> Seeing as 11.04 is four days away from release, is a dist upgrade risky at this point?
[19:24] <popey> a dist upgrade from what?
[19:25] <AureiAnimus> popey, how is it going to change?
[19:25] <rexbron_> popey: 10.10
[19:25] <popey> rexbron_: depends on your skills at fixing broken systems
[19:25] <rexbron_> popey: good answer ;)
[19:25] <popey> and fwiw I wouldn't "dist-upgrade" I'd update-manager or do-release-upgrade
[19:26] <rexbron_> popey: sure
[19:26] <popey> I dont know if you meant "dist-upgrade" as a generic "upgrade to natty" or "specifically use dist-upgrade to upgrade"
[19:26] <popey>  :)
[19:26] <rexbron_> popey: I ment it as a generic
[19:26] <topaz1> does any one have this issue of logging out and then unable to log in ?? back
[19:26] <popey> topaz1: i haven't but then I rarely do that
[19:26] <popey> i find myself killing gdm as a way of logging out ;)
[19:26] <jo-erlend> rexbron_, if risk is a factor, use released software.
[19:27] <popey> AureiAnimus: it's going to become more community focused
[19:27] <topaz1> but this is annoying
[19:27] <popey> topaz1: I can imagine it is
[19:27] <topaz1> something which isn't their / present in 10.10\
[19:28] <AureiAnimus> popey, is the testing system what you are talking about, or are you referring to someting else?
[19:29] <topaz1> any bug report reported to it
[19:29] <topaz1> and just few mins ago my system went to sleep, and wont wake up
[19:30] <topaz1> had to press the reset button
[19:32] <topaz1> ????
[19:38] <larsto> hi
[19:38] <topaz1> hi
[19:39] <geekmeplease> Where is the 11.04 repo for bug-fixes, such as for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-properties/+bug/768469 ?
[19:39] <geekmeplease> * I would like to review the bug fix.
[19:40] <kimimben_45> hello!
[19:40] <popey> geekmeplease: it's probably being built now
[19:40] <popey> geekmeplease: so will turn up in the repo soon
[19:41] <geekmeplease> popey: Do you know the address of the repo?
[19:41] <popey> geekmeplease: it will be in the standard repo soon
[19:41] <popey> what other repo do you mean?
[19:41] <popey> https://launchpad.net/software-properties is where you'll find the source
[19:42] <popey> you can see from https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/software-properties/main that Stephane did a release about an hour ago
[19:42] <kimimben_45> i am using ubuntu 11.04 beta2 updated. i had the same problem on ubuntu 10.10. i can not read/write the files which shared by "windows 7" on the same local newtork (home). Ubuntu can see the computer, it ask me the password, but it can not connect and it ask me again the password. can someone help me please ?
[19:42] <geekmeplease> popey: ok, thank you!
[19:42] <popey> np
[19:42] <popey> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/software-properties/main/revision/661
[19:42] <popey> thats the revision that fixes your bug
[19:43] <popey> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/software-properties/main/revision/660 is actually :)
[19:43] <popey> 661 is just the changelog
[19:56] <larsto> hi
[19:56] <topaz1> hmm
[20:03] <kimimben_45> i am using ubuntu 11.04 beta2 updated. i had the same problem on ubuntu 10.10. i can not read/write the files which shared by "windows 7" on the same local newtork (home). Ubuntu can see the computer, it ask me the password, but it can not connect and it ask me again the password. can someone help me please ?
[20:04] <BluesKaj> trying quassel for the firsdt time in a while , seems better now, not so crude as previously
[20:09] <topaz1> no one is replying to the queries
[20:15] <escott> !help | topaz1
[20:22] <torchie> are there gonna be any more updates before the 28th
[20:23] <rww> torchie: yes
[20:24] <alienmindtrick> ubuntu keeps crashing while i'm browsing using google chrome beta and taking me out to a screen i don't see any other time. is this a bug and, if so, how do i report it?
[20:24] <alienmindtrick> oh, i'm using 11.04 beta
[20:42] <penguin42> alienmindtrick: Crashing is a bug - so yes
[20:42] <penguin42> alienmindtrick: What's on the screen that you don't see any other time?
[20:43] <alienmindtrick> it looks like the ubuntu splash...the purple, white and whatnot ubuntu design with a sign on where i have to log on using my user name
[20:43] <alienmindtrick> normally, upon startup, i see my custom desktop, not this
[20:43] <penguin42> it probably IS the ubuntu login screen
[20:44] <alienmindtrick> i supposed that, but it doesn't look like the one i used to see in 10.10
[20:44] <alienmindtrick> also, it doesn't prompt me for a bug report like some bugs do
[20:45] <Daekdroom> the login screen didn't change much if anything from 10.10 to 11.04
[20:45] <alienmindtrick> then this must be something different
[20:45] <alienmindtrick> as i indicated, it's something i've not seen before
[20:46] <alienmindtrick> i perused the bugs on launchpad trying to find a duplicate, but i'm not really sure what it is exactly that i'm reporting
[20:47] <penguin42> alienmindtrick: You could take a picture of it with a camera?
[20:47] <penguin42> alienmindtrick: I mean what you're describing sounds like the X server crashing and dropping you back to the login screen
[20:48] <alienmindtrick> ok, so should i check for an x server crash bug on launchpad?
[20:48] <penguin42> alienmindtrick: There are quite a few - so when this happens do you just log back in at that screen and carry on?
[20:49] <alienmindtrick> yep
[20:49] <penguin42> ok, when that happens run   ubuntu-bug xserver-xorg   and it should report the bug for you
[20:50] <penguin42> with any luck that'll attach descriptions of your hardware and /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old which may have some crash info
[20:51] <alienmindtrick> will do.  thanks a bunch, penguin42
[20:51] <penguin42> no prob
[21:10] <Daekdroom> What is the default font configuration in gnome-appearance?
[21:10] <Daekdroom> I hate how it's not resetable.
[21:13] <superkiwi> Hi, I want to disable the scrollbar helper thingy in nautilus. Is this possible? I mean the mini scrollbar with arrows outside the window that you have drag. Is it possible?
[21:14] <rww> !find overlay
[21:14] <jbicha> Daekdroom: Ubuntu 11, Sans 10, Ubuntu 11, Ubuntu Bold 11, Monospace 10
[21:14] <Daekdroom> Thank you so much.
[21:14] <rww> superkiwi: removing the overlay-scrollback package might do it.
[21:15] <rww> erm, scrollbar **
[21:15] <superkiwi> Ah, thanks. Would be nice with an option to disable/enable it.
[21:17] <Daekdroom> Well, it seems that using the correct DPI for my monitor does anything but improve the fonts.
[21:17] <Daekdroom> Maybe I'm used to the small fonts.
[21:21] <penguin42> Daekdroom: Fonts can be specified either in size that depends on dpi or in pixels that doesn't
[21:23] <Daekdroom> penguin42, I know.
[21:23] <Daekdroom> But Ubuntu defaults dpi to 96 no matter monitor size.
[21:23] <jibadeeha> anyone here using dropbox with ubuntu 11.04 and does it use indicators
[21:26] <Raisor> My Update Manager keeps crashing after stopping at Building Data Structures on 11.04.  Anyone know if this is already a known issue or is it specific to my install?
[21:28] <mongy> is there some hack or such to make an app minimise when clicking it again in the launcher?
[21:29] <larsto> hi
[21:31] <guntbert> Raisor: no idea, but you could try with sudo apt-get update  or sudo aptitude update
[21:32] <penguin42> Daekdroom: I think the problem is that 1) Monitors are often wrong 2) YOu get weird stuff when you switch the monitor on after the PC 3) Multiple monitors with differen tDPI aren't supported anyway 4) Hot adding monitors - so actually trying to read the DPI is onto a loser
[21:32] <Daekdroom> penguin42, What?
[21:32] <Daekdroom> Oh. I see.
[21:34] <Raisor> guntbert: Thanks, i did a update and am now doing an upgrade but it is taking a long time so I thought I would ask in case there is already a work around or this doesnt solve the issue.
[21:35] <guntbert> Raisor: not that I'm aware of, but that doesn't mean much :-)
[21:35] <Raisor> ;)
[21:39] <happyface> can anyone paste their 11.04 grub2 config? I lost my nice new colors :(
[21:40] <happyface> they were puurdy
[21:41] <jibadeeha> dropbox integrates really nicely with 11.04
[21:42] <antihc333> Is there a way to adjust the menu tray size
[21:42] <guntbert> happyface: about which file are you talking?
[21:47] <H4VK> am I missing something or is there no way to send a window to another workspace if its maximised?
[21:47] <H4VK> when its windowd you can just right click on the title bar
[21:48] <DShepherd> ctrl+alt+shift (left or right arrow keys) works for me on maverick. Maybe that will work for 11.04 too H4VK
[21:49] <H4VK> nope
[21:49] <H4VK> not when maximised
[21:49] <H4VK> oh
[21:50] <H4VK> not when maximised on my 2nd monitor
[21:53] <donniezazen> I am planning to do a clean install should i wait for final image or today's image is going to be more or less equally stable?
[21:54] <H4VK> I haven't had any stability issues for a couple of days, only bugs I've come accross are minor usability ones
[21:54] <H4VK> don't think it's the same for everyone though
[21:54] <guntbert> donniezazen: wait a little
[21:56] <donniezazen> gunbert any specific reasons. I have been running natty since alpha my current image is too old says a developer to fix wifi issues.
[21:56] <mzuverink> whenever I use ubuntu(with 3d unity) and then swithc back to classic Gnome, I lose all my panels and such, any fix for this?
[21:56] <guntbert> donniezazen: no, just as a general precaution for a production system :-)
[21:57] <Raisor> btw, doing a apt-get update and apt-get upgrade fixed the update manager issue.
[21:58] <mzuverink> Anyone one else experience the panel issue while swapping between ubuntu(w.3dUnity) and Classic Gnome?
[21:58] <guntbert> Raisor: fine :)
[21:59] <lcb> donniezazen, beta 2 is supposed to be "stable" . is my experience daily images sometimes gives some problems. being so, i would install beta 2 then sudo -i | sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade . just before entering the desktop environment.
[21:59] <JamesJRH> rww: Hello again. In the past I've noticed that installing a pre-release and updating, has a slightly different result to a fresh install. I'm installing Natty right now for a friend who's computer broke. The question is, should I reinstall or just 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -V dist-upgrade'?
[21:59] <vega> do nvidia binary drivers already work in current natty ?
[22:00] <rww> JamesJRH: It's a matter of opinion, but I'd probably just upgrade, since it's this close to release.
[22:00] <lcb> i.e. pressing SHIFT , going to grub menu, dpkg OR failsafe / recovery after the first start
[22:00]  * rww usually sticks to released LTSes for friends' computers, though...
[22:01] <jbicha> vega: yes
[22:01] <mzuverink> Is there a saved state file regarding panels state in 3dUnity that woul be causing me problems in Classic Gnome?
[22:02] <vega> good... let's hope lirc/imon combo finally works (as it is broken in 10.10)
[22:02] <JamesJRH> rww: There's still a lot of known issues at http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/natty/beta. The number of them is off-putting. Are any of them fixed? If so how many?
[22:03] <rww> JamesJRH: I don't have WWW access right now, so I can't look.
[22:03] <Kurdistan> few days left.
[22:04] <BUGabundo> yeah
[22:04] <BUGabundo> that means # is closing
[22:04] <BUGabundo> and ill be running 11.10 soon
[22:04] <Kurdistan> BUGabundo, haha hardcore.
[22:04] <Kurdistan> I think many bugs will be fixed in this few days before goes stable
[22:04] <BUGabundo> always
[22:05] <rww> oh good, I can tease BUGabundo with my ability to speak in #ubuntu+1 when it's "closed" this cycle.
[22:05] <BUGabundo> BUUUU
[22:05] <lcb> fixed or even killed
[22:05] <rww> ;)
[22:06] <BUGabundo> rww: what's the point to talk in here , if you can't talk to the only person actually running it :P
[22:06] <Kurdistan> guys/girls if you compare maverick to natty just before release, which is most stable?
[22:06] <rww> Kurdistan: maverick just before release, or maverick now?
[22:06] <JamesJRH> rww: The reason I'm choosing Natty rather than Lucid, is that they've not used Ubuntu before, and Natty uses Unity which is a significantly different interface to normal Gnome. So there's no point for them to get to know Gnome, just for a short while.
[22:07] <Kurdistan> rww, I mean if you compare maverick before it went out stable release with natyy.
[22:07] <rww> JamesJRH: Valid point. On the other hand, I'd rather wait for Unity to be very stable in a couple of releases though, instead of having them use it now and hate it because of bugs.
[22:07] <BUGabundo> humm
[22:07] <rww> Kurdistan: maverick was more stable for me.
[22:07] <BUGabundo> maverick? that's over an year old
[22:07] <BUGabundo> can't remember
[22:08] <rww> BUGabundo: six months
[22:08] <Kurdistan> rww, thx for the replay.
[22:08] <BUGabundo> all I remember is gutsy cycle
[22:08] <rww> Kurdistan: but that's in large part because of one particular bug I have that makes my kernel panic.
[22:08] <BUGabundo> rww: not fot me
[22:08] <Kurdistan> rww, which bug?
[22:08] <BUGabundo> I stop using it 1 year ago lOL
[22:08] <rww> bug 757141
[22:09] <JamesJRH> rww: So you have Internet access but not web access?
[22:09] <Kurdistan> rww, thx for the update. do you think they will manage to fix it before release?
[22:09] <rww> JamesJRH: correct
[22:09] <rww> Kurdistan: dunno, Bryce and I are poking at it from our respective ends. We'll see.
[22:09] <JamesJRH> rww: How so?
[22:10] <Kurdistan> rww, I wish you dear buntus goodluck in fixing the bug. viva buntu!
[22:10] <rww> JamesJRH: I'm behind a work proxy that doesn't block SSH connections to my VPS that has my IRC client on it, and I don't feel like setting up a SOCKS proxy and figuring out how to make Internet Explorer use it.
[22:11] <rww> count the acronyms!
[22:11] <JamesJRH> :)
[22:12] <quick_nick> I am having a problem with 11.04 screen going black and hanging when ever i attempt a logout/restart/shutdown gui or command line.  So far google hasn't helped.  would report it but don't know exactly what the problem is to report.  anyone have any ideas?
[22:12] <JamesJRH> rww: You should have said IE, then it'd be 5 acronyms. :p
[22:13] <larsto> hi
[22:14] <H4VK> gah - I've uninstalled the Ubuntu One package but the Ubuntu One folder keeps reappearing in my home directory
[22:14] <H4VK> anyone had this problem?
[22:15] <penguin42> quick_nick: Hmm yes that's quite difficult to track down; what hardware? If you do a shutdown -h now from a ctrl-alt-f1 text console do you see any errors/stuff as the last sthing on the screen before it stops?
[22:16] <antihc333> Only 2 options for the launcher :(
[22:18] <nijabo> What launcher?
[22:18] <quick_nick> i see the screen go blank as if it is shutting down x and then it just freezes there.  I don't see errors.  I tried doing it from ssh too to see if i could be lucky and get some feedback before it shutdown the connection but nothing.  I am using an old intel chip think its a 1800ghz dual core.  ati video card.  Didn't have any of these problems with 10.X
[22:18] <nijabo> If you are speaking about Ubuntu 11.04 Unity 3d
[22:18] <nijabo> there's more options in CCSM
[22:18] <nijabo> !ccsm
[22:19] <antihc333> nijabo, thanks
[22:19] <nijabo> No problem.
[22:19] <penguin42> quick_nick: I've not seen that problem - I'm not really sure what to file it against - may as well file it against linux if you've got no better bet
[22:21] <quick_nick> i tried the acpi fix but it keeps system from booting if i do that.  is there something i can send that would have the log of what the system was doing during shutdown or a way i can record what its doing during shutdown to add to the bugreport
[22:22] <donniezazen> thanks
[22:23] <JamesJRH> rww: Why are you using IE anyway? Unless your using CrossOver, that means your not even using Ubuntu! Use 'ssh -D <proxy port> [<user>@]<host name>'.
[22:25] <JamesJRH> rww: If your forced to use windoze, have you tried Portable Firefox from portableapps.com?
[22:26] <JamesJRH> http://portableapps.com/
[22:33] <rww> JamesJRH: ... I'm at work, as I said.
[22:33] <rww> and I use Debian at home anyway.
[22:34] <JamesJRH> rww: If your forced to use windoze, have you tried Portable Firefox from http://portableapps.com/ ?
[22:34] <Logan_> !windoze | JamesJRH
[22:34] <Logan_> rww: ;)
[22:34] <rww> I like that factoid. Someone cool must have written it ;P
[22:35] <Logan_> haha
[22:35] <Logan_> wait, there shouldn't be a comma:
[22:35] <JamesJRH> Logan_: Sorry.
[22:35] <rww> too bad, I like it there ;P
[22:35] <Logan_> !misspelling =~ s/attacked, and hurts/attacked and hurts/
[22:36] <rww> !misspelling =~ s/,//
[22:36] <Logan_> heh
[22:36] <BUGabundo> LULZ
[22:38] <JamesJRH> Logan_: Why? It makes more sense with the comma.
[22:38] <Logan_> JamesJRH: coordinating conjunction without an independent clause after it
[22:40] <BUGabundo> what he said
[22:41] <Logan_> XD
[22:41] <Omega> Logan_: Where can I find a list of available factoids?
[22:41] <Logan_> ubottu.com/factoids.cgi
[22:41] <Logan_> http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi
[22:44] <manlymatt83> If I download Ubuntu 11.04 beta right now and then upgrade to release on Thursday, will that be the same thing as if I had done a clean install on Thursday?
[22:44] <BUGabundo> or #ubuntu-bots
[22:44] <BUGabundo> !update | manlymatt83
[22:44] <manlymatt83> I need to re-install my laptop today but don't wanna do 10.10 if I don't have to
[22:44] <peto_> hello
[22:44] <larsto> manlymatt83?
[22:44] <larsto> how late is it, on your clock now ?
[22:44] <larsto>  
[22:44] <BUGabundo> manlymatt83: you do updates, you have the latest available
[22:45] <BUGabundo> that's it
[22:45] <peto_> help!!   I've lost the upper and left bars... there is no menus and no icons... What can I do to recover them?
[22:45] <larsto> !wiki | peto_
[22:45] <manlymatt83> BUGabundu: understood.  So if I install beta today and then update on Thursday, I'd have the same exact install as someone who installs the release iso on thursday right?
[22:46] <larsto> manlymatt83?
[22:46] <larsto> how late is it, on your clock now ?
[22:46] <larsto> its late at night! and you reinstall your pc :D :D
[22:47] <manlymatt83> larsto: 5:45 PM
[22:47] <penguin42> manlymatt83: You might end up with a few old files as backups to ones that were replaced by any updates between now and thursday, but it should be trivial unless something really major gets fixed in the next 4 days
[22:47] <larsto> oh
[22:47] <Omega> Logan_: That list is incomplete, for example !ot is missing.
[22:47] <larsto> here it is 11:47 pm
[22:47] <JamesJRH> rww: If your forced to use Windows, have you tried Portable Firefox from http://portableapps.com/ ?
[22:47] <larsto> l
[22:47] <lcb> peto_,  try this in a terminal: $ unity --reset-icons
[22:47] <manlymatt83> penguin42: Yeah, that I understand.  I just meant more operationally.
[22:48] <Logan_> Omega: nope, it's there
[22:48] <Logan_> it just has a bad search interface
[22:48] <larsto> hello i have a question
[22:48] <larsto> if i install beta 2 now
[22:48] <larsto> and update then it
[22:48] <larsto> have i then the SAME as final ?
[22:48] <larsto> thanks youu very
[22:49] <lcb> larsto, no. it have the same as of today
[22:49] <larsto> no i update then
[22:49] <larsto> no i meant
[22:49] <vega> larsto: all those 5 lines could have been in one line ...
[22:49] <larsto> 28th
[22:49] <larsto> .
[22:49] <vega> !enter | larsto
[22:50] <vega> no need to press enter every three words
[22:50] <Logan_> !botsnack
[22:50] <larsto> anyone who can help me ??
[22:51] <larsto> instead giving stupid advices as vega
[22:51] <BUGabundo> you have what ever is on your repo/mirror
[22:51] <larsto> ok
[22:51] <larsto> thanks
[22:51] <vega> larsto: "stupid advice" is the policy of this channel, if you don't like it, you can go somewhere else
[22:51] <popey> if you update it on release day you'll have the release
[22:51] <BUGabundo> larsto: picking on other members won't get you helped any faster
[22:51] <peto_> thank you larsto and lcb, my desktop is making extrange things now o_O
[22:51] <vega> larsto: if everyone would write like you do, this channel would be unusable
[22:52] <larsto> ok vega
[22:52] <peto_> wow... I've recovered the icons, thanks lcb
[22:54] <lcb> peto_,  just don't play too much with compiz and stuff like plugins for it until final release.
[22:54] <peto_> lcb, yes, I see that is a very useful advice
[22:55] <antihc333> Does the Menu launcher have support for folders (or like the application list) Custom
[22:56] <lcb> antihc33, don't think so, at list up to now. but you have it on the top panel.
[22:56] <ahmedhelal> hello, i booted now using a daily build of natty , however in installation it doesnt see any partitions of mine (shows hard disk as empty) while its not , any idea ??
[22:57] <BUGabundo> o.o
[22:57] <JamesJRH> There's still a lot of known issues at http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/natty/beta . The number of them is worrying. Are they the remaining unfixed bugs, or are some of them fixed? If so how many?
[22:57] <lcb> ahmedhelal, that's not new. better install beta 2 then do the upgrade before running any desktop interface
[22:59] <ahmedhelal> lcb: the same problem doesnt exist in beta ?
[22:59] <lcb> ahmedhelal, no. it installs fine
[23:00] <lars_t_h> ChrisBuchholz, nå du hænger også ud her?
[23:00] <lcb> ahmedhelal, i did install a couple times daily and i decided to go trough beta 2, exactly due to different issues, including yours now
[23:02] <lcb> ahmedhelal, after installs go to a console and do the upgrades. do not try to open any of desktops though.
[23:02] <ronaldo_> will there be a version of natty that you dont have to use unity?
[23:03] <lcb> cristiano ronaldo_  Classic Desktop
[23:03] <topyli> ronaldo_: you don't have to use unity in the regular natty
[23:04] <ChrisBuchholz> lars_t_h: yeah. But im pretty sure you shouldnt talk danish in here ;)
[23:04] <lcb> ronaldo_, if you use classic you still have 11.04 (natty) running.
[23:05] <xskydevilx> I installed the latest LibreOffice 3.4 Beta and it doesn't seem to work. How do I remove it completely?
[23:06] <lcb> xskydevilx, sudo apt-get --purge remove package_name
[23:06] <jbicha> JamesJRH: if 11.04 has too many bugs for you, don't upgrade, the bugs on that page all have links
[23:07] <jbicha> you can read them for yourself if you're curious whether they're fixed or not
[23:07] <lcb> xskydevilx, that's why we should stay with what it comes as default, until final release.
[23:08] <xskydevilx> lcb, true. thanks.
[23:08] <lcb> :)
[23:08] <topyli> xskydevilx: how did you install the libreoffice beta?
[23:11] <prower> has anyone else testing 11.04 had issues with power usage being more than normal? i'm told that this is a bug in the 2.6.38 kernel, which 11.04 is apparently releasing with :<
[23:11] <xskydevilx> topyli: I downloaded it as a pre-release of their website, extracted it, and did a command "sudo dpkg -i *.deb" inside of folder containing the deb files, although it didn't work for me.
[23:11] <topyli> what didn't work?
[23:11] <xskydevilx> topyli: It didn't start up correctly.
[23:12] <topyli> also, did you remove the old libreoffice first
[23:12] <topyli> ?
[23:12] <xskydevilx> topyli: Yes, I have.
[23:12] <topyli> well make a list of the debs and uninstall them
[23:13] <lcb> xskydevilx, and try using gdebi as an installer for .deb/s
[23:14] <topyli> rather, don't get unstable debs from the web and install them on your already unstable system :)
[23:15] <rww> topyli: I was under the impression that the unstables cancelled each other out!
[23:15] <lcb> topyli, that works too
[23:15] <topyli> rww: they should, but ubuntu is special!
[23:15] <xskydevilx> lcb, Is there a command line to install all of the debs in the folder as with the dpkg or do I have to use the graphic installer for each of the files?
[23:15] <lcb> dpkg -i but gdebi checks for dependencies
[23:16] <topyli> i don't think gdebi will survive a directory full of debs
[23:17] <drhydralisk1> My front panel audio output is not being detected, can anyone help?
[23:17] <lcb> topyli, is not necessary to install all of them as 1 package. but i don't know, anyway, i didn't see the infos on this libreO release
[23:18] <topyli> lcb: they all depend on each other in weird and confusing ways, i doubt there's a way to install them one by one and retain sanity
[23:20] <lcb> topyli, check synaptic
[23:20] <lcb> and do complete removal
[23:24] <topyli> what would you like me to remove? :)
[23:24] <lcb> topyli, the packages you've installed should be there
[23:25] <topyli> lcb: i didn't install any packages, xskydevilx did :)
[23:25] <lcb> lol
[23:25] <lcb> sorry
[23:26] <lcb> topyli, i'm always like this, don't worry.
[23:26] <topyli> heh. carry on!
[23:27] <lcb> topyli, :)
[23:29] <Kano> hi, how to get bootchart running with natty?
[23:31] <xskydevilx> lcb: I removed the libreoffice beta 2 through synaptic and reinstalled the old one (3.3). Thanks a lot.
[23:31] <lcb> Kano, is that in the official repos?
[23:31] <drhydralisk1> Where is xorg.conf at?
[23:32] <Kano> universe
[23:32] <lcb> xskydevilx, fix the system then.. sudo apt-get -f install && sudo apt-get check ' at least those
[23:32] <topyli> drhydralisk1: there is no xorg.conf unless you create one
[23:33] <Kano> somebody should have done some performance tuning before with it or not...
[23:33] <drhydralisk1> topyli: is their a default template somewhere?
[23:33] <xskydevilx> lcb: No broken packages, surprisingly. Thanks, anyway.
[23:33] <lcb> xskydevilx, :)
[23:33] <prower> has anyone else here been testing 11.04 on a netbook or laptop?
[23:34] <lcb> prower, running from one now. didn't explode yet
[23:34] <drhydralisk1> nvm i found 1
[23:34] <topyli> drhydralisk1: good, because i wouldn't! :)
[23:34] <rww> sudo X -configure
[23:35] <prower> lcb: have you found the battery life is different? in my case it's less than half of the time that i get out of 10.10, no idea why yet
[23:35] <rww> with no other x servers running
[23:35] <rww> iirc, anyway
[23:35] <topyli> ohh
[23:35] <topyli> live and learn
[23:36] <lcb> prower, you know what, i don't have mine running. but funny things happens, like one of the useras here reported the indicator being monitoring 2 batteries.
[23:36] <lcb> useras=users
[23:37] <lcb> prower, don't worry yet, wait 4 more days or report a bug
[23:38] <prower> lcb: there's supposedly some severe power management issues in 2.6.38, and that's what it'll be releasing with :< i've already weighed in on one of the reported bugs on launchpad but i doubt anything big is going to change in four days...typically within 4-5 days of the release nothing is changed at all so that they have time to upload the images to all the mirrors
[23:39] <lcb> prower, i believe the next few days we all will be flooded with updates
[23:40] <lcb> prower, and i know what you mean, like hibernation and stuff too
[23:40] <penguin42> prower: They might wait until post release to issue updates if it's something that doesn't actually stop it basically working - better to have a bug that has a known fixable problem than introduce new ones that they don't know
[23:40] <prower> lcb: i should hope so :< the tests that ubuntu conducted themselves had close to half of people using unity experience desktop crashes within an hour of starting it up
[23:41] <t-rask_> I just upgraded to 11.04 from 10.10 and everything seems to have gone O.K., but my top panel doesn't have the menu button next to the active window menu bar, can anyone help me out?
[23:41] <prower> penguin42: that does make sense, yes...i'm just wondering why they wouldn't just push the release date back to get the glaring issues fixed first
[23:42] <penguin42> prower: Ubuntu is on fixed release dates - there are always some bad bugs, they only push something back if ther eis some SERIOUS bug like hardware damage, doesn't boot on most hardware or it kills peoples cats
[23:42] <lcb> t-rask_, you mean a gnome type menu? /tree menu/
[23:43] <t-rask_> Directly above the Unity launcher, I have seen an Ubuntu logo icon in all screenshots of 11.04, but I'm missing that after I upgraded.
[23:43] <prower> penguin42: they don't consider the fact that their default shell crashes frequently serious? most distributions would call that a show stopper :>
[23:44] <lcb> trask_, write in terminal: $ unity --reset-icons
[23:44] <rww> prower: gotta love time-based releases.
[23:44] <penguin42> prower: That's time based for you
[23:44] <prower> (it's certainly crashed enough in my case, at least twice within first installing it on my laptop...then the battery was drained within half an hour instead of the usual 2)
[23:45] <lcb> t-rask_, but that's not normal, on a fresh install and first run
[23:45] <JamesJRH> Wow!!! I've just tried Natty beta2 Live CD and really really really like Unity! :D
[23:45] <rww> 6.06 got delayed, and the schedule adjustments were non-trivial, apparently.
[23:45] <t-rask_> lcb, just to be clear, I'm talking about the ubuntu logo directly above the unity launcher on the top panel in this screenshot: http://cdn.omgubuntu.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/faenza-launcher.png
[23:46] <lcb> t-rask_,  yes, i've got you. try running that command
[23:46] <prower> rww: love isn't exactly the word i'd use for it ;> i love having a stable and up to date desktop, for a lot of folks judging by launchpad unity isn't ready for prime time...i hope that 10.10 will be supported for at least another year or two, i won't be touching it until then judging from what i've seen so far
[23:46] <t-rask_> lcb, still not there.
[23:47] <lcb> t-rask_, wait.. you have that logo on it.
[23:47] <JamesJRH> jbicha: It seems that many of those bugs aren't fixed yet, how will they all get fixed by the 28th??
[23:47] <penguin42> prower: LTS ones they tend to have a longer run up to release with less changes so there is a better chance of stability, the 6monthly ones well they tend to me more erm interesting
[23:47] <t-rask_> lcb, no, it still just shows my active window title furthest to the left. No Ubuntu icon.
[23:48] <prower> penguin42: isn't natty an LTS release though?
[23:48] <penguin42> prower: No
[23:49] <prower> JamesJRH: The consensus seems to be that they won't be, which is discouraging :< I'd wait at least a few months before even trying to install it judging from the beta i tried
[23:49] <lcb> t-rask_ "but my top panel doesn't have the menu button next to the active window menu bar" That top one, if you click on it, what it does?
[23:49] <jbicha> JamesJRH: all operating systems have bugs, release-critical bugs will be fixed, the others will be fixed in later releases
[23:49] <prower> penguin42: Ahh...so 10.10 is going to be supported for a while yet then, i'm assuming that's lts
[23:49] <jbicha> as developers are able to
[23:50] <jbicha> !lts
[23:50] <penguin42> prower: 10.04 is the latest LTS
[23:50] <t-rask_> lcb, I'm sorry, if I click on what? (That wasn't my screenshot, by the way) My unity launcher is just the Home folder at the top, and directly above that is "XChat IRC" at the moment, because it's my focused window.
[23:51] <prower> penguin42: oh, i see...i thought 10.10 was, sorry. it certainly works as well as one :> 11.04 on the other hand...i'm sure it works for some people but for me it's close to unusable, especially on the laptop...i hope that it won't be long before they get the major issues fixed
[23:51] <lcb> t-rask_, you could have noticed that wasn't your screenS on the first place. sorry, i don't know what you mean.
[23:52] <t-rask_> lcb, I'll upload my own screenshot to show you what I'm missing.
[23:52] <penguin42> prower: Best recommendation I have is to switch to ubuntu classic mode, and if it's still unstalbe turn desktop effects off
[23:53] <t-rask_> lcb, http://img849.imageshack.us/i/screenshotfp.png/ that is my screenshot. You'll notice that I am lacking the Ubuntu icon in the top-left, above the unity launcher.
[23:53] <JamesJRH> jbicha: Well it's the installer bugs that are most worrying, because they can't be fixed for Natty once the CD is released, as only LTSs have point-releases.
[23:54] <lcb> t-rask_, again, did you run that command i gave you?
[23:54] <t-rask_> lcb, yes, to no avail.
[23:55] <prower> penguin42: that's probably the best bet, although having to choose between gnome shell and unity is like being stuck between a rock and a hard place :P kubuntu i might be able to use but the power issue in the kernel is preventing it from being practical at the moment
[23:55] <lcb> t-rask_, "to no avail." ?:o
[23:55] <t-rask_> (it didn't work)
[23:56] <JamesJRH> I notice that LibreOffice doesn't integrate with GlobalMenu. Will this be fixed by the final release?
[23:56] <penguin42> prower: Well you get standard gnome2 - now what's your power issue?
[23:56] <micahg> JamesJRH: do you have lo-menubar installed?
[23:57] <prower> penguin42: it's a well-known bug in 2.6.37-2.6.39, that hasn't been tracked down yet...essentially it kills battery life, as i mentioned before my laptop battery used to get 2-3 hours of time before it needed recharging, it's down to more like 35-40 minutes with natty
[23:57] <lcb> t-rask_, i don't know how you solve that. you might need to undo the additional desktop effects/plugins/whateveryou installed.
[23:57] <rww> prower: 10.04 is an LTS. 12.04 presumably will be. 10.10 is supported for 18 months from release, so April 2012.
[23:57] <penguin42> prower: Ouch, have you attacked it with powertop?
[23:57] <micahg> penguin42: phoronix just had a post on it
[23:58] <prower> rww: 12.04 is going to be defaulting with wayland instead of xorg as well, if i remember right? i think it's going to be a long while before another release of ubuntu comes out that could be called stable :<
[23:58] <penguin42> prower: I think something a year out is still an aspiration rather anything definite
[23:58] <rww> prower: I have no idea. The only thing I've heard about the time frame for Wayland is "a while from now".
[23:58] <prower> penguin42: i checked it out, it seems as if there's a lot more "wake-up" calls being made than there's supposed to be
[23:58] <t-rask_> Can anyone tell me why I'm missing the Ubuntu icon in my top-left corner above the Unity launcher and how to get it there? http://img849.imageshack.us/i/screenshotfp.png/
[23:58] <prower> (as in hundreds more than there were in 10.10)
[23:58] <rww> If they add it first in 12.04, I'll facepalm more than usual.
[23:59] <JamesJRH> micahg: I'm aware of lo-menubar, the question is will it be default in the final release?
[23:59] <micahg> JamesJRH: no, it's a preview for natty
[23:59] <JamesJRH> micahg: I'd like it to be for the sake of others.