[00:34] why is it that clicking outside of the unity search menu doesn't make it go awawy [00:39] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2009-April/182642.html [00:39] ahahah [00:39] oldie [00:40] but good [01:06] is anyone running natty + gnome 3/is it possible to go back or will I break everything [01:06] escott, purge the ppa? [01:06] !info ppa-purge [01:06] ppa-purge (source: ppa-purge): disables a PPA and reverts to official packages. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2.8+bzr56 (natty), package size 4 kB, installed size 56 kB [01:07] i haven't installed the ppa. I'm wary of doing that without knowing the ppa-purge won't break unity [01:07] i read some forum comments suggesting that gnome ppa would conflict with unity in various ways [01:07] well its completely unsupported [01:08] fewer or zero PPA is optimal really [01:08] render your system unusable seems unlikely though [01:10] escott, you only need unity [01:11] i guess the better question would be: "will gnome3 ever be officially supported on natty?" [01:13] escott: No, the interesting question is "ever on ubuntu" But meh.. [01:16] well as I recall compiz was originally just a proof of concept...which lit a fire under the feet of developers for compositing,, however,, compiz is by no means a proof of concept any longer [01:16] blah.... is there an #ubuntu-whine channel? I don't have major complaints about unity, but I'd like to see what gnome3 looks like without risking my ubuntu install or having to install fedora [01:17] hopefully it will replace many compositors including kwin and gnome3 [01:17] kwin sucks almost as much as mutter in gnome3 :) [01:18] compiz has already, in natty, replaced mutter ,, thankfully,, [01:19] one of the two ways in which Unity is better than GNOME Shell. [01:19] for sure [01:19] * rww dislikes mutter [01:20] rww, I agree,, as I had menitoned on another day,, if they had gone with the gnome3 clever windows concept,, it may have overtaken compiz pretty quickly [01:23] if not in resource useage , certainly in eye candy [01:23] ok supper time :) [01:24] hi [01:24] Is there a way to change the window buttons on the unity top bar? [01:25] farmer, nope. They're hard-coded. [01:25] If anything, you might be able to change the colors. [01:25] it seems time is running out to fix all the natty ubuntu bugs [01:35] where can i set the compiz effects in ubuntu+1? [01:36] !ccsm [01:36] To enable advanced customization of desktop effects in Ubuntu: install 'compizconfig-settings-manager' or 'simple-ccsm'. If you install the latter, a new option will appear in your appearance properties - See also !compiz - Help in #compiz [01:38] rww, why do you dislike mutter? what has it done to you? [01:38] thanks rww [01:38] bjsnider: it's not performant on my netbook [01:38] rww: i can't install simple-ccsm [01:38] it says wait [01:39] freaky[t]: install the other one [01:39] rww, are you using the final version? [01:39] i want simple-ccsm because when i switched in maverick from the middle effects to most effects, the screenlag went away [01:39] rww: ive put a bugreport [01:39] because my screen is so laggy [01:40] bjsnider: I was using whatever was in the gnome3 PPA a week or three ago. [01:43] Simple CCSM is not up-to-date with compiz 0.9, I think [01:44] Daekdroom: ok thank you [01:44] rww: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/769586 this is my bug ;) [01:44] Ubuntu bug 769586 in xorg (Ubuntu) "additional drivers: fglrx laggy screen" [Undecided,New] [01:45] and i can't install th e driver from ati it says "implicit declaration" of something ... [01:45] I'll withold my usual comments about fglrx and link http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/grjvp/ubuntu_1104_almost_out_what_unity_bugs_are_you/c1prvgq instead [01:46] rww: oh ok, how do i disable vsync? lol [01:46] somewhere in ccsm, I assume [01:48] rww: im in ccsm and searched for vsync but it cant find anything like that [01:48] no idea, then. I'm on KDE. [01:48] ok ;( [01:51] rww: found it, it helped a bit but it's still lagging [01:52] seems like i have to live with it for a longer time ;( [01:59] How do i connect to a windows/ssh/ftp server using UBuntu 11.04 ? I can't find the "connect to server" feature [01:59] hey! I got a strange problem with 11.04 beta2: I booted the live session and could use the new unity ui. so far so good... then I installed it onto my HDD and booted from there. after logging in, ubuntu tells me my hardware wouldn't support the unity desktop, and now I have to use the old gnome desktop, no matter what session I select at login :/ I got a quite new notebook with i5 and nvidia 410m graphics, may that be a problem? [01:59] david234_, have you tried the rdesktop command? [02:00] axle, that happened to me a few days ago [02:00] david234_: lol i also cant find a lot of features it#s awesome ;D [02:00] Not remote desktop, I want to connect to a file server and open files on the server ( such as documents or watching movies ) [02:00] david234_: click the home folder icon, File/Connect to Server... ? [02:00] seriously annoying I had to switch the type of unity login from gdm a half dozen times to get it to work again [02:01] eww, sounds bad :/ [02:01] david234_: minimize all windows [02:01] axle, sorry i should read more closely you've yet to get it working [02:01] got it [02:01] axle, try compiz --replace ?? [02:03] escott: Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". [02:03] axle, have you installed the nvidia drivers (now i remember what i did) [02:03] yep [02:04] even the binary ones? [02:04] don't think so, ubuntu did it by itself, it just told me the nvidia driver got installed :) :D [02:05] go to the menu, and type in "drivers" and click on the additional drivers [02:05] it should scan and see if there are proprietary drivers for your system [02:05] yes that's what ubuntu did ;) it installed the propietary nvidia driver [02:06] I think the names of the software should be removed, so instead of "Firefox web browser" it should say "web browser" and "libreoffice writer" should be "writer" [02:06] it says it's installed but not activated, but this might also be caused by a GPU switch on my notebook [02:07] david234_: what happens when you have two web browsers? [02:07] rww, look at the cute icon :) [02:07] *installs -> activated and activated -> in use [02:07] david234_: what happens when you have two web browsers and are vision-impaired? [02:08] How many non developers have two browsers ? [02:08] axle, i dont have nvidia so i cant help any more but thats the source of your problems. check dmesg and /var/log/Xorg.0.log [02:13] mhmm /var/log/Xorg.0.log says, it loads GLX extension for nvidia, then the integrated intel graphics are detected and so on and later it says: [ 5537.358] (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found) [02:13] :-( [02:14] * axle is looking forward to wayland [02:14] right you could try and remove the intel driver so that X only ever sees the nvidia driver [02:14] not sure if that would work [02:14] but Xorg is definitely not going to support hot swapping so you will have to pick which one you want to use [02:15] if this is an i3 or better then intel works fine [02:15] I'll try nvidia-xconfig [02:15] that wouldn't work [02:16] the bios makes these decisions. you have to use whatever graphics the bios chooses [02:16] you should remove nvidia-current and xorg.conf and let the decision be made automatically [02:16] it is an i5 sandybridge and the intel driver that got loaded should support it. [02:17] sandybridge is going to have some problems in this cycle, but it will improve in 6 months [02:17] bjsnider: ubuntu installed the nvidia driver automatically at first boot, that makes me think it wants to use the nvidia one [02:17] axle, have you looked at the bios to check for a switch you can manually use? [02:18] uhmm.. no but I should, maybe :D [02:18] here's a newsflash: gpu switching is not well-supported on linux [02:18] let me see... back in about 10 mins or so :) [02:18] it's disastrous [02:18] bjsnider, not so news, really. [02:18] bjsnider: nothing new to me :D [02:19] But, well, as long as it doesn't blow up in your face instead of just not working.. [02:19] but i heard of a project that wants to improve it massively and reach 100% support for hotswapping :) that makes me hope :D [02:19] for real now, brb 10 mins [02:21] I have an ATI video card, just wondered if anyone could tell me the command line way to remove the driver and go back to standard drivers? [02:22] buff27, is it not an option to do it the gui way? [02:24] well I had this problem changing my hard drive from one system to another without an ati card [02:24] I had to put it back in old system to remove the ati driver to work...... just wondered if there was another way [02:28] ok guys: in the bios there only is a switch between optimus graphics mode and UMa graphics mode, while BIOS only tells me that UMa graphics mode is for windows xp because it doesn't support hotswapping ( i believe) [02:29] the xorg.conf f*cked up X, I had to delete it to make it work again :/ [02:29] buff27, unfortunately, I do not know the command line to do that. But you may try booting with nomodeset which should force the use of the default driver (that one time) and then you could disable priority drivers the gui way. [02:30] buff27, try running jockey-text [02:31] Daekdroom: what is jockey-text? [02:32] It's the "Hardware Drivers" tool.. in CLI! [02:32] i.e. the tool from the menu is jockey-gtk [02:33] Oh, I see. That's good to know! [02:33] arrrrr thanks aauthor Daekdroom [02:34] buff27 is a pirate! ;D [02:34] installed natty beta2 and proprietary nvidia drivers. Works ok... Why isn't there any xorg.conf anymore? I mean is it not necessary anymore? [02:34] I am! [02:34] lucas_, indeed. It's not necessary. [02:35] lucas_, ubuntu switched to HAL sometime ago I believe. [02:35] Daekdroom: So I can remaster a live cd with nvidia drivers without any workarounds? [02:35] Well.. That I'm not sure at all. [02:35] aauthor, the opposite. HAL is deprecated. It's all about udev now. [02:36] you still need xorg.conf to load the nvidia driver [02:36] I'll just keep my trap shut from here on out. :) [02:36] that's the idea bjsnider... Natty seems to load the proprietary driver WITHOUT xorg.conf [02:37] how do you know? [02:38] well, after setting up nvidia-current and rebooting I launched nvidia-settings and it came up ok. Checked for some settings in /etc/X11/xorg.conf and it was not there... [02:40] you installed nvidia-current manually instead of going through jockey? [02:46] through synaptic [02:56] so, i think i found a bug [02:56] on my G550, if I turn the wifi switch off, shut down, boot with it on, flip it on, the wifi still won't work without another full reboot [03:22] i'm trying to get unity working inside of a VM like described here (http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/04/heads-up-unity-working-with-the-lastest-virtualbox/) but i'm having issues after logging in with X. i just see the ubuntu wallpaper and nothing happens. here's my Xorg log (http://paste.ubuntu.com/598112/). anyone know what the problem might be? [03:27] I have got an error when update 11.04 [03:27] E: /var/cache/apt/archives/libpolkit-agent-1-0_0.101-1ubuntu1_i386.deb: subprocess dpkg-deb --control returned error exit status 2 [03:27] Can somebody tell me what is that and how to fix? [03:28] n2i: re-run the update, it will install packages that failed [03:28] roknir: Did you isntall the guest additions in the guest OS? [03:29] Omega: :( http://paste.ubuntu.com/598118/ [03:30] Error is showed on that link [03:31] n2i, remove the .deb file and try again, may have gotten a corrupt download [03:32] n2i: run: sudo rm /var/cache/apt/archives/libpolkit-agent-1-0_0.101-1ubuntu1_i386.deb [03:32] escott Omega Thanks! [03:32] It is alright now! :D [03:33] :) [03:55] wow.. nothing happening in here? [03:55] in 20 minutes? [03:59] calm before the storm [04:02] are there weather and temp applets for Unity ? [04:04] NOPE [04:04] run gnome panel [04:05] hmm [04:06] I miss the date being on the top bar.. time is ok. but I also want the date [04:07] you can configure it you know [04:07] and system monitor [04:07] ali1234: how? [04:07] right click on it, click settings [04:07] how else? [04:08] ali1234: there is no settings [04:11] How do I change the number of workspaces ? [04:11] Volkodav: that's probably in ccsm [04:12] Omega: yes, i installed the guest packages in the ubuntu VM [04:30] is there a way to enable initiate window picker in compiz without a button? [04:31] like by just moving the mouse to the corner like you can set up with Expo [04:44] how do I "connect to server"? [04:47] izinucs: click the home symbol [04:47] file --> connect to server [04:48] freaky[t]: I tried "super" then looked for nautilus but nothing came up.. tried "file manager" nothing.. unity might drive me nuts.. how's a noob suppose to find their way? [04:48] dunno i have the same problems [04:49] einseenai: It shouldn't. [04:50] guys, if i upgrade from 10.10 to 11.04, will it smash my classic gnome? [04:50] ill try kubuntu-desktop out now [04:50] freaky[t]: I like kubuntu [04:50] einseenai: It shouldn't. [04:50] einseenai: It will keep it as a separate choice I believe, just like you can choose kde or Gnome at the GDM if you have both installed [04:51] einseenai: So you will be able to choose unity or gnome [04:51] JamezQ, thx a lot :-) [04:57] huh [04:57] wow thats nice [04:58] backlights should just stay off in Unity dock [04:58] ok.. from a devil's advocate stand point.. how's a new ubuntu/unity user suppose to figure out what programs are available without some sort of catagorization? like Internet, office, sound/video etc.. all the program names will be foreign and looking at tool tips is slow [05:00] Hi. Does anyone know if Emerald works on Ubuntu 11.04? [05:01] !emerald [05:01] emerald is an obsolete window decorator for compiz. It's unsupported and unmaintained, making issues with it very hard to diagnose and fix. There are no known, supported alternatives. [05:01] lucasfl, not sure, but please see above. [05:06] Is there a way to make it work? Before the 11.04 upgrade it was working fine. [05:12] i just installed kubuntu-desktop and there everything works fine ... no screen lag ... but with ubuntu i have screenlag :( [05:13] freaky[t]: could be your video driver doesn't agree with compiz, are you using unity? [05:13] yes im using unity on gnome [05:14] isnt kubuntu using compiz aswell? [05:14] doubtful [05:15] freaky[t]: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/FilingBugs [05:19] micahg: ive allready filed a bug against xorg lol they'll probably change it and ask me for more info hopefully [05:20] freaky[t]: if kubuntu works, it's probably not xorg [05:20] micahg: the same lag also appeared when i used ubuntu maverick [05:20] freaky[t]: with compiz on? [05:21] yes [05:21] freaky[t]: yeah, I'd suggest changing it from xorg to unity and let them triage [05:23] ok done [05:24] says only the supervisor has been subscribed [05:25] freaky[t]: right, that's fine [05:25] ok i hope they fix it ;( [05:25] it has been in maverick since [05:26] and that's not good [05:26] i think i dont have a good chance that it will be fixed ;( [05:26] freaky[t]: well, now that it's reported against unity, you have a good chance someone will at least look at it [05:27] hopefully :( [05:30] freaky[t]: kubuntu uses kwin.. not compiz [05:30] izinucs: ah ok [05:32] What's the word on this Unity thing? Are people liking it? Is it much of a change? [05:33] it's a massive change [05:33] and very controversial. [05:33] yeah, see I don't like the sound of that [05:33] I like GNOME [05:33] I doubt that it can be improved on with present technology [05:34] until we get 3D screens or speech recognition, GNOME's as good as it gets for me [05:34] oh come now, everything can be improved [05:34] but if you like it, stick with it [05:34] Does Unity replace GNOME? [05:34] not if you already have it installed [05:34] just like installing kde will not replace gnome [05:34] keep in mind, even the guys who made Gnome thought it could be improved. [05:35] Is Unity a whole new GUI? [05:35] yes [05:35] but, so is Gnome3 and gnome-shell [05:35] Nah, I'm sticking with GNOME [05:35] I guess that means I'm staying with 10.10 [05:35] Or maybe moving to Debian [05:36] thegoodcushion: u can select "classic" [05:36] without unity [05:36] or, you can use 11.04 [05:36] and use gnome [05:36] from the dropdown menu [05:36] in gdm [05:36] well I think if it's not the default interface I don't want to use it [05:36] and debian based system is very easy to change based on what you want. [05:36] One of the things I like about Ubuntu is that GNOME is the default [05:36] ill try that now and check if i still get this screenlag [05:36] the packages etc are always going to be geared towards the default GUI [05:36] ....well in that set of mind, Debian has no default interface [05:37] you choose on install between a few, if you do pick to have a GUI [05:38] I actaully don't know ANY distros that are using Gnome2 by default [05:38] any "big" ones, at least [05:38] not that it matters - this is linux, you can add anything to anything you want. [05:39] Ubuntu 10.10 uses GNOME 2 [05:39] Fedora [05:39] I'm talking about next releases [05:39] ubuntu 10.10 is in the past, I don't mean that [05:39] Fedora will be using gnome-shell [05:39] not gnome2 [05:39] Unity sort of reminds me of Quicksilver for OS X [05:40] u can select Ubuntu Classic from within GDM before you login and u wont have unity enabled [05:40] like, it puts all your apps and data right in front of you [05:40] freaky[t]: I don't think it's the same [05:40] i think so i just did ;D [05:40] freaky[t]: he wants one that has it as the default.. [05:40] If Ubuntu is moving to support Unity, then everything is going to change [05:40] you'll find the support for GNOME will decrease [05:41] and the support for KDE will increase :3 [05:41] thegoodcushion: idk about that, red hat is bigger then canonical. And they support Gnome [05:41] no the support for Unity will increase and GNOME attention will decrease [05:41] I don't know why I should abandon GNOME for something that's unproven, untested, unknown [05:41] and the support for KDE will increase. [05:42] they why did you abandon $(pastos) for linux [05:42] I use Ubuntu for programming because the repos make it so easy for me to develop [05:42] If I need any library or compiler, I just load up the repo manager and click click [05:43] ill go to bed now [05:43] good night [05:43] 'night [05:43] night freaky[t] [05:43] then if your okay with loading libraries that are not included [05:43] why not GUI's [05:49] looking at the top 50 distros on distro watch, I can't find I single one that will be using gnome2 for their main distro in their next release. [05:49] Ubuntu 10.10 will still be current for a year [05:49] So, you should at least try some of the new ones out, they must be good for basically everyone choosing them [05:50] It's still "supported", but it's not a current distro [05:50] I think that Linux needs greater convergence [05:50] It's no good having all these distros that each have 0.1% market share [05:50] everyone should pool their efforts [05:51] we do, [05:51] Linux Mint isn't in the top 50 distros? Huh. [05:51] rww: Linux mint is using gnome3 [05:51] just not gnome shell [05:51] ah [05:51] thegoodcushion: They do [05:51] thegoodcushion: Most of those distros are based of debian, or fedora [05:52] yep [05:52] so that means the efforts ARE pooled together, most distros are just customizations [05:52] Yeah, we're just a big tree with many brances [05:52] hard to see the trunk from up here :D [05:53] :P [05:54] anyway, thegoodcushion, you shoulden't worry about linux, it's doing just fine. The desktop is not where the money is anyway [05:54] well there must be a reason why people pay to use Windows [05:54] it's only been in the last 5 years or so that Linux has become user friendly [05:55] Of the 500 fastest supercomputers in the world, ~92% use Linux [05:55] android just became the top selling mobile os [05:55] and many more stuff like that [05:56] anyway, people on the desktop tend to not pay for what is best [05:56] they are "consumers", and they pay for what is pretty and gets marketed to them [05:56] #ubuntu-offtopic, please :) [05:56] Your right, rww [05:56] I will stop [05:58] Heh, I thought this was in the other channel. I will end with this then: http://jpteti.com/post/4072771125/the-ipad-is-99-more-open-than-any-other-computer [06:01] O.o [07:03] morning all [07:06] any 1 using pidgin-twitter ? [07:55] hi guys, anyone running kubuntu natty experiencing problems with akonadi Google resource. mainly it always tells me invalid password even though i type in the right password. and its impossible to i [07:55] import my google contact and calendar [08:15] any idea how to get emphaty open new chat windows when receiving a message? [08:37] th^^, u use empathy for what protocl ? [08:37] th^^, cause if msn there is a gr8 app called emesene [08:39] that doesn't really help with getting empathy to open new windows does it though :) [08:44] nop :) [08:52] .Xmodmap caps lock remap from maverick does not work in natty, Lenovo W510 us-eng, suggestions? [09:07] I just installed natty, and I see there are some new things to take in in respect of the GUI. Does it exist any manual or guide of sorts about it? [09:08] For example I want to open two instances/windows of firefox. How can I do that from laucher (that is its name?)? [09:13] SeRVeR01: i rather use same app for all 4 different protocols [09:14] now whenever i receive message i only see blinking icon in the contacts list and need to click that to see the chat and i miss a lot of messages because of it, annoying [09:14] and those stupid notifications aren't helping any, they just blur out when hovering, i'd expect to be able to click them and open the discussion, i don't understand what's those notifications point at all [09:17] :) [09:19] i don't like empathy and pidgin xD [09:20] I have a problem with natty, I know that it is beta version [09:20] and cause i only use msn am happy with emesene :) [09:21] th^^: don't hover over the notifications. they blur :) [09:21] the point of the notifications is to notify you of a new message [09:22] what is the name of the app controlling the left hand side icons? [09:22] and how can I configure it? [09:29] how can I open a new instance of terminal from the terminal icon on the left? [09:29] Anyone know how to keep window controls out of the panel? [09:30] my internet connettion with natty is tooooooo slow [09:40] hmm. everyone on this channel is obviously not on this TZ [09:49] Anybody have any idea how to properly fullscreen Elder Scrolls: Oblivion using wine. The Unity top panel is alway visible and it's kind of annoying [09:58] sveinse, middle clic can open a second instance of apps [10:02] so is unity the default? [10:03] for people with recent PC yes it is [10:08] zniavre: aahh. Thanks [10:09] sveinse, :o) [10:13] Is is possible to add desktop pager on the top bar or similar? I find the new desktop pager to be cumbersome since I have to press the mouse many times to get to the desktop I want. [10:19] haven't seen any updates for a few days. can we expect any more updates to hit before release? [10:26] anyone here managed to install Chrome on ubuntu 11.04 [10:27] yup [10:27] did you have any issues installing it? [10:28] Downloaded the dev release [10:28] ah perhaps i should try that [10:28] Yeah I had some troubles with the normal release [10:28] Yeah give it a shot, let me know how it goes. [10:28] cheers nijabo will do [10:31] chrome or chromium [10:32] i got chromium from software center no prob [10:33] I enjoy Chrome more than Chromium [10:33] But the difference is minor at best [10:33] I think it's the flash basically === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [10:35] i got chrome stable to finally install .. it seems it doesn't like you having Chromium open whilst installing Chrome .. when i shut down Chromium then Chrome suddenly kicked in and started installing [10:37] flash eh? [10:37] does it run faster? [10:38] because this HP's got discrete graphics that I assume blow my 06 macbook away and yet [10:38] I can't even run a 480p video [10:39] ah nevermind not discrete [10:43] why would I have applications in the dash that aren't visible in alacarte, and how do I remove them? === mexalokeq is now known as tuxampol [10:47] can I configure the applications shown in Dash directly? [11:33] does dropbox use the new indicator area? [11:34] Hello, is possible to disable hiding of the application's menu in panel in ubuntu 11.04 ? [11:34] under Unity [11:35] I think it slow down work efficiency [11:36] how I can install gnome 3 in natty? [11:36] greenguy: I recommend to you, download testing livecd [11:36] greenguy: gnome 3 is not so good for usability I guess [11:37] I have natty installed now [11:37] ok :) [11:37] greenguy: I think Unity is better [11:37] cant download now, I am at country side connected on Edge [11:38] yeah, but it doesnt work on my ati dell notebook [11:38] I tried with propertary driver and without [11:38] and it freez after login [11:38] only with ubuntu clasic no effects, works natty [11:39] yes, linux video drivers are in very, very bad state at least with intel and ati [11:39] I bought a dell notebook latest day and my mistake about study how works ati drivers.. [11:39] my desktop pc with nvidia works very nice with ubuntu [11:39] what model do you have ? [11:40] lspci [11:40] some ati cards are working good with opensource drivers [11:41] VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc M880G [Mobility Radeon HD 4200] [11:41] it may not help but this tool DRIconf 0.9.1 can tweak the ati gallium driver [11:42] this tool can be downloaded from ubuntu software center? [11:42] on edge connection? :)) [11:42] greenguy, yes [11:47] i installed DRIconf, what settings I must do? [11:49] greenguy, sorry I don't know [11:49] ok :) [13:18] hm, i've added arround 30gig MP3s to banshee now it is really slowly responding ... :(( [13:18]