[05:09] * rverrips waves [06:23] Haden, Morning! [06:23] ubuntulo1_, Morning bot :p === nlsthzn is now known as nlsthzn-work [08:45] Good morning guys.. [08:55] hadenx, bojicas , nlsthzn , xnixan , morning! === nlsthzn is now known as nlsthzn-work [09:04] bassem: Good afternoon :) [09:05] bassem: pls note I may be 15-20 min late for the meeting tonight... [10:50] Good afternoon nlsthzn-work [10:52] hey hadenx :) [13:02] Hey guys.. [13:20] hadenx: hello again... [13:22] nlsthzn-work Dont think I'll be able to attend the meeting today .. [13:24] hadenx: k... and I will be late :/ [13:25] Might be late too... Maybe 9.... [13:25] that sounds too late :D [14:26] Made me smile .. http://xkcd.com/838/ [15:00] hadenx: classic :p [15:05] hadenx: check out these http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/bizarre_cathedral_1 ... they start out lame but get very funny :D [15:44] ok... will try and be on time... fingers crossed :) [15:44] bai [16:05] Meeting is at 8, right? [16:11] rverrips, yes [16:11] Thanks - different timezone at the mo' - Bit confused [16:19] rverrips, different TZ !!! where are you? [16:20] I'll explain when I'm back later in the week - suffice to say a place where the timezone is either 30 minutes ahead, or behind Dubai ... still can't get my head around which :-) [16:31] what is time right now? [16:31] rverrips, [16:33] now 7:33pm, about 30 min to go [16:34] bojicas, I know that :-) [16:34] bojicas, what we will dicuss today? [16:35] 1. Follow up previous meeting [16:35] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EmiratesTeam/Meetings/IRCMeetingSummary20110417 [16:35] 2. Toki comments [16:35] http://www.meetup.com/EmiratesLoCo/messages/13203885/ [16:35] 3. Party ideas [16:36] bassem, and set next meeting topics [16:36] bojicas, [16:47] * rverrips thanks bojicas for the time stamp [16:48] rverrips: thanks for the invite to diasporg... I am on and setup... now not sure what to do with it :p [16:48] oh and hi all :) [16:50] You're welcome nlsthzn - diaspora development seems pretty slow at the moment. Not 100% sure when it'll start gaining momentum... [16:51] * nlsthzn thinks the original 4 is to busy spending the $200000 they got from Kick Starter :p [16:52] Yup, seems most of the work is being done by the community ... [16:52] nlsthzn, can you accept my "friend" resquest on diasp.org? [16:53] rverrips: I have no notice on the site that I have such a thing? [16:53] login and goto https://diasp.org/aspects/manage [16:56] rverrips: no new requests... and also, is there no direct link to this from the home page or anything?! [16:56] * bassem why I don't have diaspora account? [16:56] nlsthzn: I think on the homepage there should be a notif' on the right, near contacts ... I'll try again ... [16:57] bassem: exclusive club :p [16:58] bassem: or just go to diasp.org and create an account [16:59] * bassem I'll join from my mobile [16:59] I'll send you an email, bassem ... But meeting is starting, now, or only in 30 minutes? [17:00] i think it is time [17:01] * nlsthzn gets in meeting mode.... Severed Fifth play! [17:01] let's wait for bassem to join from his mobile [17:02] welcome bassem_mobile [17:02] time [17:02] #startmeeting [17:03] [TOPIC] Progress, Toki's comments, Follow-up, Release Party [17:03] Details: [17:03] 1. Progress [17:03] 2. Toki's comments [17:03] http://www.meetup.com/EmiratesLoCo/messages/13203885/ [17:03] 3. Follow up previous meeting [17:03] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EmiratesTeam/Meetings/IRCMeetingSummary20110417 [17:03] 4. Release party ideas [17:03] 5. Next meeting. Date/time. New Topics [17:04] Humans, welcome to our second irc meeting. [17:04] Let's see who is attending: [17:04] bojicas - Silviu Bojica [17:04] hi all, i'm ready [17:04] rverrips - RoyVerrips [17:04] Bassem Jarkas [17:04] nlsthzn - Neil Oosthuizen [17:05] 4 people. [17:05] 1. Progress. [17:05] based on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EmiratesTeam/Meetings/IRCMeetingSummary20110417 we have: [17:06] [DONE] follow up to get ubuntulog monitor #ubuntu-ae irc channel ( bassem_mobile ) [17:06] [DONE] create the FB page https://www.facebook.com/pages/Ubuntu-Emirates-Team-LoCo/185867921459214 ( hadenx ) [17:07] DONE] coordinate registration of ubuntu.ae and redirect to our wiki http://www.ubuntu.ae ( rverrips ) [17:07] [DONE] create a Linked In group link [17:07] http://www.linkedin.com/groups/Ubuntu-UAE-User-Group-3884125 [17:07] Anything else to be recorded as done? [17:08] I liked the Facebook page :p [17:08] me too :) [17:08] * rverrips is grateful for the FB likes - Need another 18 to register facebook.com/ubuntu-ae [17:09] thx to rverrips , we have http://www.ubuntu.ae [17:09] cool that all the actions where completed... thanks to all the guys for the efforts! [17:09] I think it would be nice to use it as our main reference (currently it point to our wiki team page) [17:10] [VOTE] Shall we use http://www.ubuntu.ae as our main reference? [17:10] +1 [17:10] +1 [17:10] bojicas: ubuntu-ae.org domain! [17:10] +1 [17:10] Just some clarity... do you mean a home page with all the relevent info and links? [17:12] yes, actually on next point, we'll discuss Toki's comments. He complained about last installfest that the attendees were "ill-informed of our presence on the net" [17:12] +1 [17:12] so, to address this, http://www.ubuntu.ae points to our wiki page, which is the main page and contains all links to all resources [17:13] a total of 4 votes. [17:13] I agree with bojicas - if/when we get ubuntu-ae.org best to switch to that. Voted to use http://ubuntu.ae until then ... [17:13] why .ae.org if I may ask? [17:14] ubuntu-ae.org is provided by canonical [17:14] nlsthzn - it's a naming standard for ubuntu loco's [17:14] did not know... cool... got to do that then :) [17:15] just another point - both http://ubuntu.ae and http://www.ubuntu.ae resolve to the wiki ... isn't www redundant? (it's cnn.com, not www.cnn.com?) [17:15] however, till we'll get ubuntu-ae.org, we'll considered ubuntu.ae as our reference page [17:15] rverrips: as long as both work we are covered :) [17:16] with or without www it should work. [17:16] Both work(www or non), but which one do we "publish"? [17:16] www.ubuntu.ae ? [17:16] the shorter! [17:16] +1 for the shorter [17:17] nlsthzn: you have the deciding vote :) [17:17] and if I abstain? :p [17:17] +1 for shorter because I am lazy by nature [17:17] ;) [17:17] gets 2:1, so the shorter goes [17:18] [AGREED] http://ubuntu.ae will be our official domain / community web reference [17:19] 2. Toki's comments [17:19] http://www.meetup.com/EmiratesLoCo/messages/13203885/ [17:19] wait a bit ... [17:19] i guess you are all aware of toki's comment. check the link. [17:19] There was still some reporting on progress pending ... [17:20] (at least, I had some?) [17:20] bojicas: write it here, and let's dicuss it one by one [17:20] Bots, I don't see why we need anything more than help in summarising meetings, but it's not important so I rest my case. [17:20] we voted last time this issue, so next.. [17:20] Mailing list, I am very opposed to the decision taken. Launchpad automatically subscribes members to mailing list, yet we're ignoring that and introducing another step to subscribe to a separate mailing list. [17:21] rverrips: get admin rights from existing admin (ubuntu-ae mailing list) - from our last meeting [17:22] do we have yet ownership to the mailing list? [17:22] about mailing lists - I think haden (or perhaps bassem) was going todo that - I was going to do launchpad.org/~ubuntu-ae and twitter [17:22] bassem_mobile ? [17:22] Interesting thing about launchpad.net/~ubuntu-ae and twitter.com/ubuntu_ae are both being run by same guy, who was at one of our meetings (The January one, I think) [17:24] so there are three possibilities... meetup, launchpad or ubuntu's official mailing lists we can use right? [17:24] bojicas: not me! [17:24] He's one of the guys behind Habl Consulting ... out of the country at the moment, but I can't see why we wouldn't offer those once he returns ... [17:24] I have noticed this one too. http://twitter.com/ubuntu_ae [17:24] it is Zulfiqar Al Khan [17:24] That's him - you know him? [17:25] so, you know him. that means we should wait maybe more... [17:25] But whom contacted him? [17:25] I'm happy to try track him down - He's also in the meetup group member list [17:25] Haden i think [17:26] he is not present today, we should ask Haden for a follow up, however, no rush... [17:26] Third-party websites, I give in that we do need it, but as with every decisions, we're rushing. There's no need for it now since our only contact with end users was at AUS, and they were ill-informed of our presence on the net. Our next target are school system, again they are not end users, so currently third-party websites are useless. [17:26] haden said I will be late... maybe be here around 9 [17:27] I think Haden got hold of the guy in charge of ubuntu maillist - akshay@lambaweb.com [17:27] noted. if haden shows up, i'll ask this. [17:27] doesn't matter what web presence we have... if we don't tell people they wont know [17:28] so no matter the url, we need to sharpen up on getting the word out [17:28] actually this was just decided with our first vote: http://ubuntu.ae [17:28] One thing that was completely missed in the discussion was moving away from Meetup. [17:29] Regards Toki's statment - I think the point of having 3rd-party websites is to that we will have a way to involve/attact others ... at AUS it would've been great to say something like "Friend us on Facebook" or follow us on twitter ... [17:29] yup, easy is best [17:29] they were windows users after all can't make it to difficult [17:29] :) [17:30] nlsthzn - They're ubuntu users now :-) [17:30] rverrips: we hope :) [17:30] they must be :) [17:31] maybe if grub doesn't show there windows partition :p [17:31] back to the topic - I believe there was a vote to keep meetup at the last meeting? [17:31] maybe if grub doesn't show there windows partition :p [17:32] it was actually one miss-understanding with "format d: drive" [17:32] and the guy had windows installed on that d: drive :) [17:32] hah?!! [17:32] on the desktop :) [17:32] the only desktop... [17:32] another point regards Toki's comments - Launchpad doesn't add users automatically to the mailing-list . I believe that's the default, but users can change it ... [17:33] makes sense... not everyone wants to use a mailing list [17:33] as it is set-up at the moment, launchpad's mailing list is disabled, i think [17:33] launchpad is required for the core team to have an account in order to be officially approved [17:33] we can do that by using LP mailing list [17:34] no prob, but having and using launchpad doesn't mean we need the mailing list (or that most people will ever subscribe) [17:35] Mailing Lists: [17:35] use current meetup mailing list, until we can take over ownership/co-admin the official ubuntu list, after, we should integrate them by having meetup list as a member of ubuntu. [17:35] * rverrips not sure what bassem_mobile is talking about [17:35] This is what we agreed last time [17:35] rverrips: auto subcribing to mailing list [17:36] only problem with the integration is that some of us will get double e-mails .... [17:36] bassem_mobile - It's a user preference, as well as a group setting. I would suspect user peference overrides group pref. [17:37] let's stick with latest agreement and wait for the ownership of the "official" mailing list? [17:37] +1 [17:37] +1 [17:38] one more + vote to pass :) [17:38] +1 [17:38] :p [17:38] :) [17:38] _1 [17:38] sorry, that was +1 [17:38] AGREED: same as last meeting re mailing lists [17:39] meetup - another point raised by Toki. [17:40] Personally, I think meetup is useful... so there is no reason to move away [17:40] I believe there was a vote to keep meetup at the last meeting? [17:40] meetup is great platform to organize meetings [17:41] Well, it is a tool to plan meetings basically... so let us use it for that [17:41] +1 to keep using meetup [17:41] +1 [17:41] +1 to keep using meetup for meetings [17:42] +1 [17:42] AGREED: we'll keep meetup to organize meetings [17:42] And then there's who is in-charge of what. Bassem is already in-charge of our Lp page, wiki and IRC. But third-party websites that's been set up is divided among Haden (Facebook), Roy (provided he gets the Twitter account under his control) and Silviu (LinkedIn). So if we want to relay some message on third-party channels, we have to contact three different people. That just ain't gonna cut it. What I'd like to see is one guy with a simple G [17:42] wibber session connected to our channels sending message to all of them at the same time. [17:43] * nlsthzn can hear is tummy rumble... just got home from work and then a meeting... :D [17:43] Just a question - If we're using meetup, shouldn't this meeting be on there? [17:44] bojicas, no one is in charge of the wiki and no one should be! [17:44] Here my point is to not keep everything managed by a maximum one admin + one backup guy, but rather a minimum one admin + backup gut [17:44] guy [17:44] we are a group of people... so it is natural that we need some structure and people with responsibilities.... so we need to make sure as a core group that things get done [17:44] bassem_lap: agreed [17:45] agree [17:45] +1 [17:45] +1 no one in charge for wiki [17:45] +1 for minimum admin+backup [17:46] +1 for minimum admin+backup [17:46] lol... I think we need to vote on one thing at a time... [17:46] there are 2 votes now... [17:46] +1 for the above [17:46] but I feel this applies to the wiki also [17:46] bojicas, ??? [17:47] about wiki, it should remain public [17:47] nlsthzn, wiki is running under ubuntu server! we have just to maintain pages! [17:47] nlsthzn, add content and so on ... [17:47] everytime i edit something, i see that an email goes to certain people away, so it is moderated [17:47] sure all should add... but if something goes wonky... who is the person to rectify it?! [17:48] Revision control can rectify the wonky [17:48] yep, the revision control [17:48] then no prob... [17:48] +1 [17:49] if it is a disagreement in content, we should debate it on a meeting or something... [17:49] bojicas - That sounds just like the "Ubuntu Code of Conduct" [17:49] to me [17:49] :) [17:50] minimum of admin+backup should satisfy Toki requirements as well (one person can prove active in all areas and get co-admin status) [17:50] regarding ubuntu code of conduct, everyone should sign it [17:51] all core peeps should... [17:51] I am sure there will be some people that couldn't care less about it [17:51] so, let's put this one as a task/action to be completed [17:51] Agreed, but I'd think more concerning would be if we have anyone who is opposed to signing it (it may just be an awareness thing if they haven't) [17:52] [ACTION] Sign the code of conduct [17:52] btw, why we should sign it?!! [17:53] rverrips: I love FOSS, use openSUSE and I am willing to assist the loco in furthering linux... maybe I don't want to sign the code of conduct...?! just saying [17:53] also it is a PITA to set up encryption etc :p [17:54] The code of conduct is not forcing us to use Ubuntu only :) it is a guideline on how we should behave in the community [17:54] https://launchpad.net/codeofconduct/1.1 [17:54] so if I don't believe in what it says I cannot be part if it? [17:54] be considerate [17:54] be respectful [17:55] or if I am too lazy to sign it I must go away? [17:55] be collaborative [17:55] when we disagree, we consult others [17:55] nlsthzn - I might give you the PITA to setup PGP (but a little concerned) but the Code of Conduct is merely a summary of FOSS principles - Can't see how you'd love FOSS and be opposed to sigining it [17:56] GPG not PGP sorry [17:56] oh is that why all other distro's have the exact same thing right? ;) [17:57] this is a guideline. I already done this some years ago :) [17:57] just playing devils advocate btw... I will be signing it... but I can see that people will not like being forced to do so... [17:57] if my only reason was because the loco says I must then I wouldn't [17:58] nlsthzn - I don't think it's must to be part of the loco, just if you want to participate ... [17:58] it is not mandatory, but we should have the code of conduct in mind... [17:59] well vote then :) [17:59] I'd suggest it should be mandatory if you're admin or backup on any of the platforms? [18:00] (I don't think everyone in the Loco needs to sign it) [18:00] [VOTE] Should it be mandatory to sign the Ubuntu Code of Conduct to be admin/backup guy? [18:00] +1 [18:01] bassem_lap , nlsthzn ? [18:02] +1 I guess :p [18:02] bassem_lap , you are an admin, so what do you choose ? :p [18:02] I feel it is important part of Ubuntu [18:02] and for core functioning team it makes sense [18:03] +1 [18:04] * rverrips will help nlsthzn setup his GPG *evil grin* [18:04] * rverrips so he can sign the CoC [18:04] rverrips: been there done that (twice) already.... lost both my keys already :p [18:04] [AGREED] an admin/backup guy should sign the Ubuntu Code of Conduct [18:05] 3. Follow up of our previous meeting: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EmiratesTeam/Meetings/IRCMeetingSummary20110417 [18:06] most of the things were discussed already, like ubuntu-ae.org, ubunut-ae mailing list, twitter accounts [18:07] there is only one more thing which was assigned to hadenx, the mootbot (to contact scribes team) [18:07] 4. Release party ideas [18:08] bojicas, no idea so +0 [18:08] there was geekfest, i think - a regular gathering of geeks [18:09] This should have been planned and agreed and arranged last week already (at the latest) IMO [18:09] a bit more party-like, with some conferences going in parallel. [18:09] maybe all the peeps getting together in beggining of may meetup can have some party hats and a cake and celebrate :) [18:09] Just for clarity sake, how would you describe a launchparty to someone who's never been (I've been to three, and each was very different) [18:11] haden and bassem don't care, as long as there is beer :) [18:11] nlsthzn, :-) [18:12] I don't think there is a set standard [18:14] it seems, that the meetup will be our releasy party, unless we go from there for beer ;) [18:14] sure, just wondering what the expectation was ... [18:15] let me google a bit ... [18:16] I know ubuntu-za always have a cake with the new name and a picture of the release on the cake... etc. [18:16] I will sadly not be able to attend the next Wednesday evening meetup, so if that's the same night as the launch party than I'm a abstention regarding voting for it (sorry) [18:17] nlsthzn - Yeah, I believe one of their members works for a hotel :-) We got someone like that in our LoCo? [18:18] random search for release party. here are some pictures from kde release party; http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3871 [18:18] not too fancy [18:18] :) guys... the IRC meeting of this small size shouldn't take more than a half hour... I think we are doing it wrong :p [18:19] this is the last subject before we'll set up next meeting [18:20] i guess we'll have in the end the release party as part of the regular meetup [18:20] if no other ideas [18:20] next meeting: date/time, topics, etc [18:20] agree with bojicas [18:20] not enough time.... we should start planning now for 11.10 [18:21] nlsthzn, it's not a must to have it the next day of the release ! [18:21] I guess... but it feels cooler to have it then :p [18:22] btw, next IRC meeting will have to be posted on meetup so more people can attend [18:22] Next meetup is on Wednasday May 4th. I think we should skip next sunday [18:23] also, maybe once every two weeks will be enough [18:23] +1 For IRC meetings on Meetup [18:24] [VOTE] next irc meeting date/topics to be decided on May 4th, during meetup [18:24] +1 [18:24] +1 for neet IRC data at May 4th Meetup [18:24] +1 [18:25] +1 [18:25] let me understand - to have the irc meeting during meetup? [18:25] bojicas, merge the both meetings! [18:25] that would be silly [18:25] lol [18:27] ok [18:27] thanx, i think we should call for the end of out irc meeting [18:27] #endmeeting [18:27] Sweet [18:27] +1 for endmeeting [18:27] Thanks guys... that was too long though :/ [18:32] for reference, the irc log: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/04/24/%23ubuntu-ae.txt [18:36] nlsthzn, rverrips , how to add you as friends in diaspora? [18:36] I think it's broken at the moment, but it should be as simple as: [18:36] 1 - on homepage, click contacts (middle right) [18:37] 2 - in the "aspect" you want to add, click add (should be above, next to the aspect name) [18:37] 3 - search by name, i.e. rverrips@diasp.org [18:37] nlsthzn@diasp.org [18:38] Yup, I can find you, but when I hit confirm (send request) I get an error page ... [18:40] rverrips, I can't see "Contacts" !!! [18:40] scroll down, it's under the block for "find your friends" [18:41] nlsthzn - worked now? go figure! [18:41] I am not sure what aspect I shared with you :p [18:42] I think I had to create a new one for it to work... trying to add you to an existing one didn't seem to do the job [18:42] rverrips: ^ [18:43] No wait... it did work... you are in the emirates loco aspect I created :D [18:43] I think the aspects is how you want to set them up (i.e. you can order your contacts in whatever aspects you decide, not linked to the ones they have you in) [18:43] Not sure why... it gave me an error but there you are :p [18:43] I see only no contacts [18:44] rverrips: k... I see the post you made [18:44] am I in your linux group? [18:45] Yeah, I made an aspect for everyone linux related ... will subdivide that into Emirates Loco later if needed [18:45] (once my contacts grew beyond 4 :-) [18:45] haha [18:45] bassem_lap: what is your handle on diasp.org? [18:45] nlsthzn, jarkas [18:47] bassem_lap: you got a request I think [18:49] bassem_lap: ? [18:50] there we go... one happy family... now what :p [18:50] * bassem_lap :-) [18:51] Haden is there too! [18:54] Hey bassem_lap ,nlsthzn ,bojicas ,rverrips,xnixan [18:54] Just got back home.. How did the meeting go? [18:54] missed you Haden ... [18:55] Will have to sit and read the logs tomorrow.. Really tired today.. [18:55] How's the outcome pf todays meeting? [18:56] think it went ok... [18:56] Nothing amazing to report - wait for the summary/logs ... nl+bassem+myself are now messing about in diasp.org [18:57] Did you guys come to any conclusion for the launch party/meet? [18:57] Haden: http://ubuntu.ae as our main web reference, minimum 1 admin+1 backup-guy, follow-ups from last meeting [18:58] no ideas for party, so it will be same with the regular meetup [18:58] basically the next meetup early in May will be used to celebrate the launch [18:58] bring cake and beer ;) [18:58] CAn bring cake.. beer is going to be a problem... [18:58] Unless we decide to meet up at a pub.. [19:01] bojicas - you on diaspora? [19:01] Haden: anything can happen after the "official" meet [19:02] not yet... [19:02] ;) [19:06] great... now the IRC will be quiet and our diasp.org accounts are going to flood :p [19:09] nlsthzn, lol [19:43] rverrips: https://github.com/diaspora/diaspora/wiki/Installing-and-Running-Diaspora [19:54] yup, already editing app_config.yml [20:04] rverrips: :)