[00:00] t-rask_, you know one thing. most of ppl willing to help here think users are running natty with default packages and settings. when someone installs additional "effects" that could compromise unity, and worst, do not tell us/them - and if is not common- how "the hell" can one help? :/ [00:01] I guarantee you I'm not the only one who upgraded from 10.10 to 11.04 :| [00:02] t-rask_, i never heard/saw someone here saying they lost that "item" yet. [00:04] t-rask_: I seem to recall a recent upload of unity removing it for some, but I don't have specifics, does it show up in the ISO? [00:04] hmm, well that was an unsuccesful attempt at trying the server daily [00:04] micahg: What do you mean? [00:04] JamesJRH: defaults won't change at this point, we're 4 days from release [00:05] How do I logout? [00:05] micahg: Ok. [00:05] micahg, you mean the Beta 2 ISO? I upgraded straight from 10.10 using update-manager -d [00:05] well thanks for the help and the answers everyone, i think i'll just stick with 10.10 or switch back to debian if it becomes necessary :> [00:06] t-rask_: no, the final ISO [00:06] micahg, ISO as in .iso file? [00:06] t-rask_: the CD image [00:07] micahg, yeah, I never downloaded one. Like I said, I just upgraded using 'update-manager -d' and let that run its course. [00:07] I didn't download/burn any CD images. [00:07] t-rask_, try going to classic and add again the top panel as it were by default. with the gnome menu on the top left of the panel. this is one of the things i would do in trying to recover that functionality. [00:08] micahg: The final iso?? What, the one that hasn't been released yet? [00:09] micahg, I just ran some updates, gonna reboot quick and try again. I'll be back. [00:09] JamesJRH: yep [00:09] ? [00:09] ! [00:09] JamesJRH: there have been some updates since beta 2 [00:09] JamesJRH: the ISOs are available for testing ATM, iso.qa.ubuntu.com [00:10] micahg: Oh, you mean a nightly? [00:10] JamesJRH: no, the final images barring any major bugs [00:12] micahg: So that's effectively a release candidate, right? [00:12] JamesJRH: err...technically maybe, but they're labeled as final [00:15] micahg: Ah, ok. Well when I was refering to final I meant /the/ final, to be released on the 28th. [00:15] JamesJRH: well, that's the plan to use these unless a respin is needed [00:16] micahg: Yeah, that sounds like RC. [00:17] IIRC, previous releases of Ubuntu had RCs, why do they not call them that anymore? [00:18] JamesJRH: it's not an RC like in previous releases, it was due to the holiday weekend [00:18] Does anyone know the name of the process of the Ubuntu icon in the top-left corner? [00:19] t-rask: it's just called "panel" [00:19] micahg, I'm referring to *just* the Ubuntu icon in the top left. I have the panel, with the global menu bar, etc. Just not the Ubuntu icon. [00:19] hey micahg [00:19] hi BUGabundo [00:20] t-rask: I ran xprop and clicked on it, it said "panel" [00:20] t-rask: did you try compiz --replace [00:21] micahg: Hey! That sounds handy! I'll have a look at xprop. [00:21] jbicha, everything looks the exact same. [00:21] reinstall, lol :-) [00:22] how about unity --reset [00:22] and you rebooted? [00:23] Tried that as well as unity --reset-icons and still nothing. [00:23] t-rask: bug 755286 [00:23] Launchpad bug 755286 in unity "BFB - Turn top left corner blue rather than Ubuntu logo" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/755286 [00:24] micahg, my top left corner isn't blue, it's just missing the Ubuntu logo, but I'll check it out, thanks. [00:24] micahg: Nice, xprop is really useful! :D [00:25] How do I logout? [00:25] Where is "Log Out..."? [00:25] click the button in the far top right [00:26] Yes, it's not there. [00:26] that's also where system settings is, so remember that :-) [00:26] Sigh. I suppose I'll just try downloading the ISO and upgrading that way.. [00:26] the on/off button next to your name? [00:29] jbicha: Well it's not my name because I'm on the LiveCD. It has all the others, just not logout. [00:30] I'd just like to say that nothing is broken in my 11.04 Kubuntu except Firefox, oddly enough [00:30] JamesJRH: why would you want to log out of a livecd? [00:30] Firefox takes dumps often but Kubuntu is looking great otherwise. Nice work *thumbs up* [00:31] jbicha: To restart the desktop. I can do it on older LiveCDs. Gnome settings daemon has crashed. [00:32] It restarted, but the top panel is still wrong. [00:33] JamesJRH: can you Alt+F2 gnome-settings-daemon [00:34] spirals: Yeh I'm running Kubuntu on ---> this machine; works quite well - I can get the Radeon driver to freak out from time to time [00:35] jbicha: gnome-settings-daemon restarted itself before, and is already running, so this didn't do anything. [00:36] Maybe killall gdm? [00:38] JamesJRH: well you don't actually need gnome-settings-daemon to install, do you? [00:39] Cleary someone removed logout from the LiveCD thinking no-one will need it. >:( [00:39] penguin42, I'm on 'radeon' also. No problems unless the firefox crashes are related - haven't tracked them down yet - I'm always running 30 tabs with flash and JS in all of them :/ [00:39] penguin42, I'm really really loving kde 4.6 though, and kubuntu's integration in general. The bad old days of Kubuntu being a second rate KDE distro seem to be over. [00:40] spirals: I tend to use Chrome, I get some annoying flash crashes but that just takes out flash and I very rarely have to nuke Chrome; the crashes I can get are typically full screen flash and then moving between virtual desktops [00:40] Damn. I wish I had time to test some of the alphas. Too late now. :( [00:40] penguin42, oh yeah, full screen flash does have problems. I guess I was lumping that in with FIrefox crashes in my mind. :/ [00:40] penguin42, however, full screen flash WAS working perfectly a couple weeks ago in 11.04, for the first time in any linux desktop that I've seen [00:40] I'm sure it will unbreak itself eventually :) [00:41] spirals: KDE still has a few things that annoy me; I wrote a patch for LUKS mounting from dolphin (they've not taken it in yet - bah!) and some things like the virtual desktop switching isn't quite as nice as Gnome 2's which is my favorite for that [00:42] penguin42, I'm just amazed at the amount of zeroconfig and the improvements in the control panel. I used to have to spend ages getting Gnome to work like a modern desktop... aero snap, expose, etc... all that stuff just works out of the box in kde [00:43] KDE's control panel used to be a famous jungle, now it's clean and easy to find stuff [00:43] i could go on :) but yeah i'm a happy camper [00:43] omg, and the window decorations don't look like garbage anymore [00:43] <3 [00:44] is this support for 11.04? [00:45] That's the one! 'sudo killall gdm-binary' Then hopefully gdm should respawn... [00:46] preecher: yes [00:48] Nope. No respawn, so 'sudo service gdm start'. [00:48] upgraded xubuntu from 10.10 to 11.04---unable to get mic working--internal & headset both----any suggestions [00:48] Seems to be the /new/ way of logging out in LiveCDs! [00:49] I remember when one could just ctrl-alt-backspace. [00:51] For real ultimate overkill, Alt-Sysrq-K [00:51] you can renable ctrl-alt-bs [00:52] oh, I do sudo pkill X for that [00:52] penguin42: I know but on a LiveCD there's no point. [00:53] rww: I'll try that when I next need it. [00:54] rww: So thanks. [00:55] When 11.04 comes out, will I be able to upgrade to the newest kernel without updating Ubuntu? [00:58] Eh? lo-menubar isn't in USC. [00:59] MK``: Why, is the computer offine or something? [00:59] MK``: How do you mean newest kernel - newest ubuntu kernel or newest upstream? [01:00] the linux kernel [01:00] I want to update the kernel on this machine because it fixes some bugs I've been having but say I don't want to update to Ubuntu 11.04 yet :P [01:02] MK``: Oh OK [01:02] MK``: you might be able to use https://launchpad.net/~kernel-ppa/+archive/ppa for Lucid [01:02] MK``: Yes, you can upgrade individual parts of your system. [01:03] sudo apt-get install [01:03] JamesJRH: Well that will only upgrade it from the repos set up for your current installation [01:04] sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install [01:04] would involve adding natty repositories and thus falls under the "mixing versions repositories" prohibition against support [01:04] Yeah; I know how to add/upgrade individual things, just wanted to make sure the update feature would allow me to deselect some [01:04] ah, does it rww? [01:04] MK``: adding natty's repositories to maverick and using them to upgrade just the kernel packages isn't officially supported [01:04] maybe there's a backport package planned I don't know about. wouldn't surprise me. [01:05] and it'll pull in a whole load of other pacages [01:05] I did not know this, thanks. I'd assume they'd backport something like the kernel of all things [01:05] MK``: Oh. Sorry, I thought you were on a pre-release. [01:05] No, I am running Maverick [01:06] sorry for not stating that [01:07] MK``: There are kernel updates released every few weeks. [01:07] Or are they bug-fix updates? [01:08] the kernel updates in the ubuntu repos? they're bug fix or security updates [01:08] Too many numbers in kernel versions! :S [01:08] rww: Ok. [01:09] The announcement for 11.04 on the website says the kernel update will add support for intel ips, which my system has, so I wanted to get that update without necessarily upgrading to 11.04 immediately :P [01:09] I know, right. Ubuntu kernel package versioning confuses me. [01:10] http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/natty/beta on there [01:10] MK``: Right. You'd probably cause way more problems than you'd solve. [01:11] I see [01:11] if you feel like doing unsupported kernel upgrades, the last one I used was http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/ [01:11] I'd only do something with support [01:12] MK``: The Ubuntu guys spend loads of testing on these things to make sure it all works properly. Probably not the kind of thing you'd want to do. [01:13] I think I was just confused as to the extent of it [01:14] I thought Ubuntu ran sort of "on top" of some shared linux kernel, I was not aware it is its own derivative Ubuntu kernel [01:14] I am new to Linux :P [01:15] MK``: The ubuntu kernel has some fixes and some extra features which will find their way back to the upstream kernel [01:16] I see. I thought in a sense that if were not an ubuntu kernel, that ubuntu's versions would support certain versions of the kernel during support periods, etc. [01:16] I learned something, thanks. [01:16] Although, Arch Linux is rolling release, so keeps up-to-date with the latest and greatest but it's quite in-depth and easy to break if your not careful. Ubuntu and Arch are my favourite distros. :) [01:17] So the biggest core change between versions is the kernel itself? [01:18] There are many... [01:18] X [01:18] MK``: No, the kernel is but one part [01:18] GCC [01:18] Ok. X is assumed, yeah [01:18] See: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/natty/beta [01:18] But yeah I see, I'd never mix one version's kernel with another o_O that'd break stuff [01:19] hi [01:19] Well for the purpose of testing, as you would using mainline, that is not very uncommon. [01:19] when can we expect Ubuntu to integrate Wayland? [01:20] MK``: They tend to be OK but they sometimes depend on things; e.g. a newer Ubuntu may require features in the newer kernel, or a newer kernel may change something (rarer) that breaks an older ubuntu slightly [01:20] diegoviola: a long time from now [01:20] diegoviola: I don't think there is a definite timeline yet though. [01:20] rww: ok, but it will happen sometime in the future? [01:20] anyway, bed time [01:20] diegoviola: probably [01:20] i was wondering if i could remove the unity dock and use a dock like cario-dock,docky,etc [01:21] cpatrick08: switch to GNOME classic at the login screen and do it there [01:22] oh ok would do you think it will work when gnome classic is removed in 11.10 [01:22] diegoviola: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/551 [01:22] nice [01:22] thanks guys [01:22] I really *hope* Wayland is the future [01:23] So do I, it's great! [01:23] :) [01:23] cpatrick08: you may be able to use Gnome Fallback or XFCE for 11.10 but just wait until it gets here :-) [01:23] Beats X by miles. [01:23] I've seen too many cases of people installing Ubuntu and other distros and then X not starting at all, and the system dropping to a console, my common sense tells me they either try again or go back to Windows, I'm sure Wayland will help with that use case. [01:23] ok thanks [01:24] JamesJRH: yep [01:24] Wayland uses KMS and doesn't require any configuration for starting. it just works [01:24] and X has a huge API that is rarely used. [01:25] yeah [01:25] by modern software. [01:25] X should have been ditched a long tim eago [01:25] it's not up to current standards [01:26] X won't be ditched when Wayland is used. Not for a while. [01:26] i'm fine with a headless X on Wayland [01:26] X will become a Wayland client for compatibility. [01:26] I'm sure people will then port their apps to Wayland little by little [01:26] yep [01:27] people will eventually port their apps to Wayland, when they realize the benefits, etc [01:27] Yeah, but could be a many years. [01:27] yeah [01:28] no doubt about that [01:28] s/a // [01:28] I love how slow software propagation is compared to hardware advances [01:28] it's a strong contrast [01:29] The blacklist system seems to be broken anyone seen this? [01:29] MK``: Hmm... Yeah, now you mention it. [01:30] MK``: IPv6. 1 decade old. [01:30] ! [01:30] heh [01:31] Minimal propagation. About 2%. IPv4 address blocks were exausted a few months ago. [01:31] yeah I was watching it and spamming it to my friends :3 [01:32] I admire Canonical/Ubuntu for breaking the mold with Wayland and for wanting to advance Linux graphics, not many others are brave enough for doing that. [01:32] https://twitter.com/ipv4countdown [01:32] I wish more companies and distros would do these kind of things, improve software and not just package it [01:33] diegoviola: They do. [01:33] Linux then would advance quickly on the desktop [01:33] JamesJRH: i see [01:34] MK``'s point about software propagation seems less obvious in the open source world. [01:36] At least for most things. [01:38] My modem doesn't support IPv6 :( [01:39] there has been lots of progress on desktop Linux and Linux in general [01:39] but the transition from X to Wayland will probably be one of the biggest changes we'll have [01:40] in a long time [01:40] Yeah, Ubuntu crashed like 3 times the day I installed it. Almost up to MS levels! We can break the glass ceiling [01:40] MK``: No, neither does my router or my 2 access points. [01:41] I'm going to replace with OpenWRT supported hardware soon. :) [01:42] I have IPTV, I don't think I can replace my modem X) [01:51] anyone else having problems quiting programs using ctrl c in ubuntu 11.04? [01:52] That's copy for most things. Unless your on the terminal. [01:52] JamesJRH: sorry, that is the context. [01:53] Iam running programs in the terminal and ctrl c doesn't work [01:53] What, terminal? [01:53] The program might be trapping that key combination. [01:54] SlickT10: ^C is keyboard interrupt. Programs often ignore it. [01:54] Try Cntl+Z and see what happens. [01:54] I thought it was ctrl z [01:54] yeah [01:54] (Or trap it) [01:54] SlickT10: ^Z is the interpreter command to push the activce program into the background. [01:55] hmm. how to bring it back? [01:55] that is from the background [01:55] SlickT10: fg [01:55] thanks [01:56] I thought it was '%'. [01:56] ok. its seems to be just a problem with a certain program I am using. I though it was happening elsewhere too. Thanks for the help [01:56] jhjessup: I thought it was '%'. [01:57] to put it in the bg or fg? [01:57] JamesJRH: You can append an ampersand to a command (sleep 30 &) to execute the program in the background, but you can interactively send it to the background and suspend execution with ^Z. [01:58] heh, you keep stealing my lines jhjessup D: [01:58] MK``: Type faster ;-) [01:59] MK``: JamesJRH: I'm at the computer working on a project, and IRC is just too distracting. [01:59] I learned about & last night :P [01:59] Yeah, I need to read up on job control. I've been using '%' after ^Z instead of ;fg'. [02:00] Yeah, I need to read up on job control. I've been using '%' after ^Z instead of 'fg'. [02:00] JamesJRH: I'm not familiar with the use of %, can you elaborate? [02:00] what can you use to bg it without suspending it when it is already running? [02:01] MK``: I use ^Z, followed by bg [02:01] ah i see [02:01] MK``: There might be a more proper method, I haven't dug into it. [02:02] does % fg the last process? [02:02] jhjessup: Run something, ^Z, '%', and you'll be back. [02:02] JamesJRH: It worked! Thanks! [02:02] MK``: JamesJRH's method is better. [02:03] Yeah I am testing it now. Sleep ftw [02:03] :D Apparently I'm not the only one who should read up on job control. :P [02:04] from what I can see, % will fg the most recently backgrounded job [02:04] good to knoww [02:05] I think it'll continue if you have more. [02:05] Most recent, 2nd most recent, etc.... [02:08] Yep. Confirmed. [02:08] It takes the top of the stack. [02:08] cool [02:08] hi. ubuntu 10.10 network-manager feature> mac spoofing is not working with WPA. do you know if this was fixed in natty? [02:09] i was expecting more updates by these days and ive only upgraded few times this week... isnt it weird? [02:10] lucas-arg: we're in release freeze, there's not supposed to be many updates this week [02:10] whats release freeze mena? [02:10] mean? [02:11] MK``: 'fg' seems to be exectly the same. [02:12] s/exectly/exactly/ [02:12] no rc either? [02:12] lucas-arg: Basically, no updates that aren't required. I.e., bug fiø updates will be included, but new features won't be included until next release. [02:14] and even bug fixes are limited until release [02:15] JamesJRH: % is used to signal the process, like, fg %2 will foreground the 2nd job. So, % acts like an alias for fg, which when run with no arguements runs on the most recently backgrounded [02:15] jhjessup, MK``: Type 'fg' and '%' on a new terminal. [02:15] [james@james-laptop ~]$ fg [02:15] bash: fg: current: no such job [02:15] [james@james-laptop ~]$ % [02:15] bash: fg: %: no such job [02:15] :P [02:17] Ahh. [02:18] there is no way to make synaptic use appmenu? [02:18] aw, I tried to just enter & and I got "bash: syntax error near unexpected token `&'". Was hoping the terminal would try to background itself and implode the universe. [02:21] no one knows how to make synaptic use appmenu? [02:21] no, sorry [02:21] i'm out guys, seeya later [02:22] Bye. ;) [02:23] lucas-arg: By "appmenu", do you mean 'global-menu'? [02:23] JamesJRH: yes [02:24] no root app runs ok [02:24] How can i install user theme extension for gnome3 in ubuntu [02:32] lucas-arg: Hmm... in older releases, privileged apps would use the Raleigh theme. They seem to have fix that. I think it is related. [02:33] s/fix/fixed/ [02:33] root cant use appmenu... no app ran as root can use appmenu [02:34] lucas-arg: They seem to have fix the /theme/ problem. [02:35] The global-menu problem is likely related. [02:35] JamesJRH: what do you mean by "the seem to..." I have latest updates and nothing happened yet... [02:37] xiambax: https://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Extensions but that particular extension didn't work for me [02:38] lucas-arg: In older releases, privileged apps would always use the Raleigh theme. In Natty, this is fixed. Change the theme and it affects privileged apps. I'm saying that the global-menu problem seems related. [04:13] http://twitpic.com/4p7px0 & http://twitpic.com/4p7q3k : Do I file as kernel or xorg/banshee bugs? [04:16] So I recently upgraded to 11.04 beta (whatever the current one is, two I think) and upon login its' much slower, is there any way to detect what's slowing down login? [04:22] Does anyone here use Gwibber on Natty at all? [04:22] ha no, that's the first thing I remove. [04:23] jester7: I do. [04:29] Would anyone know why I can't see the google-gadgets packets in synaptic even though it a listed package for natty? http://www.ubuntuupdates.org/packages/show/294774 [04:30] hi [04:30] what GUI does 11.04 use? [04:32] lwizardl: Gnome is still the window manager, but it is augmented by Unity. [04:32] (Gnome to to be precise.) [04:32] *Gnome 2 [04:32] so Gnome + netbook [04:32] ? [04:33] Netbook Remix did use Unity. [04:33] k [04:33] So it will look similar, but you still have a "desktop area" which UNR didn't have be default. [04:34] is there a way to make it so "compress" in the right click menu shows up for ISO images? because right now all it says is burn to disc and extract [04:34] aauthor: because it's been deleted from the archive. See https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/google-gadgets/0.11.2-3ubuntu1 [04:35] aauthor: and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/google-gadgets/+bug/741964 [04:35] Ubuntu bug 741964 in plasma-scriptengine-googlegadgets (Ubuntu) "Please remove google-gadgets source and binaries from archive" [Undecided,Fix released] [04:37] rww: Thanks! [04:38] lwizardl: Do you want to compress it as a zip or tar? [04:39] aauthor, yeah a 7z just like if you click on almost anything else even an avi and hit compress you get the popup to select type and split sizes [04:41] Hello all! I just installed Natty and Unity failed to start so it started with gnome, once I installed the necessary drivers for Unity to run it is not a choice in the login options. can some one help with getting Unity on the login? [04:43] sysdoc: it is listed as Ubuntu in the sessions menu [04:44] trism, Tried that it just boots to gnome with that selection [04:45] sysdoc: it will fallback to gnome if it fails to start unity for whatever reason, you could check ~/.xsession-errors to see where it fails [04:45] lwizardl: Hmm, I didn't even notice that compress wasn't an option for ISOs. I don't think that there'd be a way to add that option, but a quick workaround would be to put that ISO in a folder and compress it. [04:46] aauthor, yeah or you can open archive manager and create new file with settings then drop in the iso and tell it add. but looking for an easier option [04:47] trism, thx [04:47] I create a decent amount of ISO images weekly of stuff and compressing them the long way bites. a simple right click would be hugely faster for me [04:48] lwizardl: looks like there's been a bug reported for it. [04:48] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/file-roller/+bug/668146 [04:48] Ubuntu bug 668146 in file-roller (Ubuntu) "Nautilus does not let me compress iso images" [Low,Confirmed] [04:48] cool [04:48] maybe some day that will be corrected :) [05:03] How Do I disable moving of the window controls (Close, Maximize, Minimize) to Top Panel when a window is maximized? [05:10] perscitus: that's not really supported [05:10] screw supported. I dont want it happening [05:12] Especially i moved controls back to the right like it supposed to be. [05:14] Im betting its in unity itself or compiz [05:16] jbicha, Also, the controls dont fit into a semi- transparent panel. Graphics breakup [05:17] So again, How Do I disable moving of the window controls (Close, Maximize, Minimize) to Top Panel when a window is maximized? [05:18] Maybe i should install Emerald. [05:18] haha, just use Ubuntu Classic [05:19] no thanks [05:19] Not using it before its gone in 11.10 [05:19] because* [05:20] Ive learned in earlier releases, !state=maxvert will remote titlebar in compiz. [05:21] I do not like tell me what I can do with my Ubuntu desktop. And thats what Canonical is trying to do. [05:22] I do not use keyboard shortcuts, its a waste of time. [05:23] And it takes longer to open an app. and Unity Dock takes on average 5-7 secs to open apps using mouse with same about of clicks. [05:25] perscitus: emerald is no longer supported or maintained. [05:34] izinucs, then how do i keep controls where they belong? [05:36] perscitus: if you hate Unity, try Xubuntu, Kubuntu, or the experimental Gnome Shell [05:37] gnome shell isnt experimental [05:37] Unity is not working lately. I did a clean installed still no unity interface but the regular gnome? [05:37] since its released [05:37] perscitus: talking about gnome-shell ppa, i guess [05:37] perscitus: the packaging of it for Ubuntu is [05:37] hence it not being in the official repository [05:38] I thought its because canonical doesnt want competition and keep people using unity [05:39] and im serius about that [05:39] perscitus: actually they support competition that way [05:39] that didnt make sense, frankwe [05:40] why not? [05:41] that didnt make sense either, frankwe [05:43] perscitus: That doesn't really make sense, if you think about it. kubuntu-desktop is in main, after all ;) [05:44] except not competition. [05:44] Sister Release [05:44] and as someone who's used the GNOME3 PPA and was listening when GNOME 3 was discussed at UDS-N, all the evidence points to what I said, rather than what you said [05:44] I would rather use gnome3 shell in 11.04 [05:45] perscitus: i'm sure you won't. you'll not get along with just the close button;) [05:45] perscitus: Then wrangle with the PPA and hope you don't need support with it. [05:46] frankwe, Actually, your wrong. Gnome3 has minimize button and maximize can be set to titlebar area. [05:46] or use a distro that's focused on GNOME 3 ;) [05:46] Ill just use Ubuntu. [05:46] THE WAY I WANT IT TO BE [05:46] perscitus: Actually, it just has a close button. [05:46] rww, wrog [05:46] wrong [05:46] perscitus: I've used GNOME 3 with GNOME Shell on several different distributions. All of them had only close buttons. [05:47] perscitus: 11.04 does not have Gnome Shell because it was too much work to switch in this cycle, and using the PPA [05:47] can cause breakage [05:47] rww, so have i and i can read. [05:47] See also, for example, http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-shell-list/2011-February/msg00192.html [05:47] rww, its still there but in gnome-tweak tool [05:48] * rww facepalms [05:48] For someone who complains loudly about having to do their own customization, that was a rather silly cop-out. [05:48] on your account [05:49] donniezazen: if Ubuntu detects that your computer can't support Unity, it uses Ubuntu Classic instead [05:49] jbicha, thats cuz everyone thinks its unstable but not true. [05:50] perscitus: frankly you don't know what you're talking about, I've used the Gnome 3 PPA for quite a while [05:50] i didnt say ppa [05:50] As have I. It is not stable. [05:50] and I know that it breaks a lot of things, I've fixed a few of the bugs but there are others I can't [05:50] perscitus: jbicha did. [05:50] i run gnome3 live cd. [05:51] jbicha Unity works on my laptop. I have been using it since alpha it stopped loading unity after an update couple of days ago. I today did a clean install to check some wifi bug. But i still have no Unity [05:51] donniezazen: what graphics driver do you use? [05:52] Nouveau [05:52] either way, I still want to disable moving of the window controls (Close, Maximize, Minimize) to Top Panel when a window is maximized? [05:53] donniezazen: do you use the experimental 3D Nouveau? [05:53] jbicha i use nouveau graphic driver. I have a Dell Inspiron E1505 [05:53] the FOSS ATI sucks on the Ubuntu 11.04 live cd. It doesnt boot live area.and every other restart, the splash just sits there blinking [05:54] jbicha yes i have mesa experimental installed. [05:54] rww, im not the only one who wants controls stay where they are. [05:54] perscitus: I'm aware. Ubuntu is not a democracy. [05:54] rww, http://askubuntu.com/questions/25789/is-there-a-way-to-remove-maximized-window-controls-title-from-top-panel-in-unity [05:55]