| === API is now known as apinheiro | ||
| === apinheiro is now known as apinheiro_lunch | ||
| Pendulum | apinheiro_lunch: any chance you'd be interested in doing an IRC talk for Ubuntu Open Week next week on Ubuntu a11y or Orca or something along those lines? | 14:22 |
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| === apinheiro_lunch is now known as apinheiro | ||
| apinheiro | Pendulum, hi | 14:32 |
| apinheiro | well, the issue is that I were more focused on just Unity | 14:32 |
| apinheiro | for Ubuntu a11y in general, I think that TheMuso is more suitable | 14:33 |
| Pendulum | on Unity is fine :) | 14:35 |
| Pendulum | since you probably know it more than anyone else :P | 14:35 |
| Pendulum | (other than TheMuso, but sadly the way Open Week works, he's in the wrong time zone :( ) | 14:35 |
| === erkan^ is now known as zippo^ | ||
| webczat | Hey, what's new? | 15:10 |
| webczat | did someone tested the qt bridge? | 16:55 |
| webczat | I can't test it, but I'm trying to compile it. | 17:05 |
| webczat | maco: you there? | 17:44 |
| maco | webczat: yes | 17:46 |
| webczat | did you try testing qt-at-spi? | 17:47 |
| maco | no | 17:47 |
| webczat | I will install ubuntu-11 beta2 I think | 17:47 |
| webczat | but not sure if it's then safe to switch to the at-spi2 thing. | 17:47 |
| maco | it'll probably be a couple weeks before i get to it as i have plans all weekend this weekend and am graduating the weekend after that | 17:47 |
| charlie-tca | webczat: grab the daily instead. It has a lot changes in it | 17:49 |
| webczat | do you at least know if at-spi2 itself works? | 17:49 |
| charlie-tca | !daily | 17:49 |
| ubot2 | Daily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ | 17:49 |
| webczat | thanks for the information. what's the difference between 2 links? | 17:50 |
| webczat | ahh I see. what are most notable changes in this livecd? | 17:52 |
| charlie-tca | There were hundreds of changes between beta2 and now | 18:07 |
| charlie-tca | If you install beta2, you might have 300 upgrades to do | 18:08 |
| webczat | what about accessibility-related? | 18:13 |
| maco | webczat: i dont think my change to ubiquity to make it read the right stuff on the partitioning page was in beta 2 | 18:13 |
| charlie-tca | I think there were a lot of changes. screen-reader install failed for beta2, now it works | 18:18 |
| webczat | mhm | 18:20 |
| webczat | let's go with it, going to grap a cd. | 18:20 |
| webczat | is there any thing new like a beep at bootloader prompt, or something? | 18:33 |
| charlie-tca | unfortunately, no | 18:34 |
| charlie-tca | They are still making it hard for us | 18:34 |
| AlanBell | there is a bug for that | 18:41 |
| webczat | but they didn't do it. | 18:43 |
| webczat | AlanBell: do you know if at-spi2 works correctly in ubuntu? | 18:44 |
| AlanBell | webczat: sorry, not sure | 18:45 |
| AlanBell | just searched for that bug and it turns out there are three bugs already filed | 18:45 |
| AlanBell | all filed by me | 18:46 |
| AlanBell | bug 749642 | 18:46 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 749642 in casper "no audio cue to assist getting to menu for accessibility options" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/749642 | 18:46 |
| AlanBell | Bug #617835 | 18:46 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 617835 in casper "no audio indication of when and how to get to the accessible installer" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/617835 | 18:46 |
| AlanBell | Bug #732320 | 18:46 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 732320 in ubiquity "no audio clues on how to get into the accessible install with screen reader" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/732320 | 18:46 |
| maco | heh whoops | 18:46 |
| webczat | Actually, does someone know why ubuntu does not use at-spi2 by default? | 19:07 |
| maco | webczat: it's incomplete, isn't it? also, Dasher (predictive on-screen keyboard) is pretty broken with it (can't input into programs directly, have to copy and paste from Dasher's text editor) | 19:11 |
| maco | (Dasher's upstream doesn't see a reason to fix that though :( ) | 19:12 |
| webczat | maco: i thought at-spi2 is complete, because gnome3 dropped bonobo right? so at-spi2 needs to be completed to replace at-spi | 19:21 |
| maco | what does bonobo have to do with at-spi? | 19:22 |
| webczat | ahh. because at-spi is corba | 19:22 |
| webczat | i mean 1 | 19:22 |
| webczat | 2 is dbus and this is the reason that qt-at-spi needs 2 | 19:23 |
| maco | the gnome-accessibility mailing list earlier today had a discussion where someone was trying to compile orca and they were told to stop using at-spi2 and use at-spi 1 since its not done enough yet | 19:23 |
| webczat | mhm, maybe it's right | 19:24 |
| webczat | but ubuntu-11 has it. so I'll check if it can work. | 19:25 |
| webczat | there is a method to switch between at-spi versions. | 19:25 |
| webczat | using gconf keys | 19:25 |
| webczat | i sent a question to orca guis, awaiting answer about that | 19:28 |
| webczat | s/guys | 19:28 |
| webczat | ubuntu-11 ready. going out for it, bye. | 19:55 |
| hajour1 | hi all still on my daughters pc | 21:23 |
| ubuntu_ | hey. at-spi2 tested, qt-at-spi test in progress, I don't have skype (I want to test the accessibility thing with skype) | 21:40 |
| === ubuntu_ is now known as webczat | ||
| webczat | oops | 21:40 |
| hajour1 | AlanBell, can you help webczat maybe? | 21:41 |
| hajour1 | hi leoquant | 21:41 |
| leoquant | hi hajour1 | 21:41 |
| AlanBell | if I knew the answer I would have said :) | 21:41 |
| hajour1 | o sorry | 21:41 |
| hajour1 | do you know who maybe can help webczat AlanBell | 21:42 |
| AlanBell | its OK | 21:42 |
| hajour1 | really need a list with names and who to ask for what | 21:42 |
| AlanBell | webczat has already asked in all the places I would think of | 21:42 |
| hajour1 | mm | 21:42 |
| hajour1 | what that at-spi2 is for? | 21:43 |
| AlanBell | the only thing I would have done differently is that I would have asked webczat :) | 21:43 |
| hajour1 | what=where | 21:44 |
| AlanBell | at-spi2 is the assistive technology service provider interface (I think) | 21:44 |
| AlanBell | version 1 uses corba, version 2 uses dbus | 21:44 |
| webczat | yeah | 21:44 |
| hajour1 | ??? | 21:45 |
| webczat | and it works great. | 21:45 |
| AlanBell | corba and dbus are different ways of getting programs to talk to each other | 21:45 |
| * hajour1 regrate she is still a nooby | 21:45 | |
| hajour1 | a ok | 21:45 |
| AlanBell | webczat: version 2 works great? | 21:45 |
| webczat | AlanBell: I'm running it for half an hour and it's ok. | 21:45 |
| webczat | unless i missed something and I still use version 1? but ps shows version 2 and 1 is not installed. | 21:46 |
| hajour1 | so its like a thing what connects | 21:46 |
| hajour1 | i am trying to understand it | 21:46 |
| webczat | I also installed qt-at-spi. and ran qt designer, it works in a strange way, i don't think i really understand it, but it doesn't crash and it is probably accessible. I want to try with skype that i know more about. | 21:47 |
| webczat | but I fscking can't find a download link lol | 21:47 |
| AlanBell | download link for skype? | 21:47 |
| webczat | yeah. I pressed get skype and then I can't find a link. | 21:47 |
| webczat | I one time found it few weeks ago but I don't remember how | 21:48 |
| AlanBell | 64 or 32 bit? | 21:48 |
| webczat | 32 | 21:48 |
| webczat | i didn't burn 64 bit ubuntu-11 although i could | 21:48 |
| AlanBell | http://www.skype.com/intl/en-gb/get-skype/on-your-computer/linux/downloading.ubuntu32 | 21:49 |
| AlanBell | although that is just hanging for me at the moment | 21:49 |
| AlanBell | working now | 21:49 |
| AlanBell | that page should automatically kick off the download | 21:49 |
| AlanBell | hajour1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assistive_Technology_Service_Provider_Interface | 21:50 |
| hajour1 | i going to try to read it | 21:51 |
| hajour1 | i go read it later to much talking here around me at the moment | 21:52 |
| hajour1 | mmm i not know how to say it easy so i have write it on a note from my facebook. | 21:56 |
| webczat | AlanBell: right, installed on a livecd, tests done. not really accessible but I see something, so it's actually going in the right direction. | 21:56 |
| hajour1 | i will wait till you are ready with this | 21:56 |
| webczat | AlanBell: like, I see some unmarked button, the sign in button, checkbox for remember me, and username/password fields. fields are strange, username is displayed as combobox, password as cleartext, and when I type something, I can't read it back. | 21:57 |
| webczat | not sure why is that. but anyway it stopped to be an inaccessible window | 21:58 |
| webczat | but at-spi2 itself works correctly | 22:00 |
| AlanBell | that is promising at least | 22:00 |
| webczat | yeah, I see. | 22:01 |
| === erkan^ is now known as zippo^ | ||
| webczat | I am really waiting for this beautiful day, when I'll be able to use kde, skype and other things like that. | 22:02 |
| webczat | it was a big hole for a long periot of time. | 22:02 |
| hajour1 | so i have write it here if you want for who want to read it see link >>> http://www.facebook.com/games#!/note.php?note_id=150090575056575 | 22:07 |
| webczat | okay, a next at-spi test with qt on skype after logon. hmm, it seems it reads bad control types | 22:09 |
| webczat | but actually I was able to go to the menu and quit. | 22:09 |
| webczat | woohoo | 22:09 |
| hajour1 | what are control types? | 22:09 |
| webczat | types of things that are inside windows on the screen: buttons, textboxes, etc. | 22:10 |
| webczat | going out for today guys. | 22:10 |
| hajour1 | btw that link is not info from a game | 22:17 |
| hajour1 | its info about me | 22:17 |
| hajour1 | bah then i have put it in the wrong place | 22:17 |
| hajour1 | i still not know how to put a message there | 22:19 |
| hajour1 | going to try to find it out brb | 22:20 |
| hajour1 | so think i have succeed now | 22:26 |
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